zxr250 wheelies

[wbks]

This obviously isn't doing 320 through a township with two pillions while blindfolded and drunk so I hope no one flames me:spanking:
I was trying to wheelstand at this little road and I just couldn't get a decent wheelstand going. I've heard that they are hard on 250s but this is rediculous...I tryed everything...going at walking pace, going 5-6thou revving it hard and slipping clutch, going slightly faster in 1st doing the same thing, 2nd and nothing got the front more than a few inches off the ground for more than a second...I've seen vids of cbr250s doing wheelstands and they can do them, albeit for like 3 secs max... Do any of you guys here on zxr250s do wheelstands and how so? p.s it seems like big bikes (600-1000) only take a quick jab of clutch and throttle to lift the front up easy, are they that easy?

[blue eyed savage]

no its a skill. hard to learn too. and u will fall on ur ass. 250s can do one. so walking speed rev the crap out of it (over 10k) and dump the cluch, take off all lights and faring first. and yes u will land on ur ass at some point. best thing to to is get a bigger bike and work ur way up. to much to soon and it will end in tears.

[NOMIS]

no its a skill. hard to learn too. and u will fall on ur ass. 250s can do one. so walking speed rev the crap out of it (over 10k) and dump the cluch, take off all lights and faring first. and yes u will land on ur ass at some point. best thing to to is get a bigger bike and work ur way up. to much to soon and it will end in tears.

My 250 hornet can do em.. its just i cant lol...

nah I can do little one but now that ive spent so much money moding it ive stoped trying dont want to drop it

[blue eyed savage]

nice bike NOMIS. very nice

[wbks]

So you think I should wait to learn them on a 600 or liter which is easyer, savage? I thought it might be too but I don't have an option as I'm on my Rlicence. Would It really be worth waiting a year untill I get my full or should I just keep trying?

[glice]

So you think I should wait to learn them on a 600 or liter which is easyer, savage? I thought it might be too but I don't have an option as I'm on my Rlicence. Would It really be worth waiting a year untill I get my full or should I just keep trying?

use more revs and just dump the clutch. or just get an off road bike. I just got a kdx200 which can get the front wheel up in 3rd with no clutch. and dirt bikes are built to be crashed and dropped.

[wbks]

Yea I know, I used to race my '07 kx125 regularly until I injured my knee so I know how to wheelie, standup, sitting down, clutching, rollon etc I just don't have much roadbike experience (obviously) so knowing how to wheelie isn't the problem. I'm just not used to having to thrash something so much to wheelie!:blink: I'll take off the lights and plastics and spend a day out on some country road untill I can do some alright. Thanks for the help. I'd still like to hear if anyone even thinks its worth all the effort just to do a 3 sec 20km/h rather than wait for a bigger bike to do them easyer? How easy are 600's to wheelstand at say 50km/h, anyway?

[Ragingrob]

Popping wheelies on the 250 is probably only gonna wear the poor thing out a lot faster than it would otherwise.

[Quailboy]

Popping wheelies on the 250 is probably only gonna wear the poor thing out a lot faster than it would otherwise.

Really? I would never have thought...


I've probably got my wheel an inch off the ground for <1 sec and it actually scared me.
I'm gonna get a dirtbike and fall around on that to learn!

[CookMySock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qncPBZ9DRRk

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+wheelie

DB

[NOMIS]

nice bike NOMIS. very nice

awww thanks man lol

[R6_kid]

You need to talk to Brett (thats his KB name)

He used to wheelie his ZXR250C's... you'll probably want to get a new clutch FIRST, but make sure you 'run it in' before doing wheeles. He could do pretty good wheelies on his 250, arguably better than I could on my 600 at the time so that says something.

Just so you know the power on a ZXR doesn't really start to build until 10,000rpm+, but it's best between 12k-16k. Also it's gonna happen real fast, and you'll probably end up screwing your steering head bearings among other things.

If you really want to wheelie i'd also suggest getting a rear sprocket with a 'few' more teeth. At least 3, maybe 6 more than standard if possible - how often do you use the 180kmh top speed anyway?

[vtec]

Yeah, the 250's are bloody hard to wheely. I do pretty decent wheelies when launching in races sometimes. But trying to do them intentionally, youv'e got to have no respect for the bike. Wait till you get a 600 in my opinion and learn to do wheelies on that. There's plenty of riding skills to be learned from the 250, and with good tyres stoppies are plenty of fun.

[wbks]

You need to talk to Brett (thats his KB name)

He used to wheelie his ZXR250C's... you'll probably want to get a new clutch FIRST, but make sure you 'run it in' before doing wheeles. He could do pretty good wheelies on his 250, arguably better than I could on my 600 at the time so that says something.

Just so you know the power on a ZXR doesn't really start to build until 10,000rpm+, but it's best between 12k-16k. Also it's gonna happen real fast, and you'll probably end up screwing your steering head bearings among other things.

If you really want to wheelie i'd also suggest getting a rear sprocket with a 'few' more teeth. At least 3, maybe 6 more than standard if possible - how often do you use the 180kmh top speed anyway?180? once or twice a week if I feel like it. Might be a little too much trouble, especially if you think I'm going to screw the head bearings and have to buy a new clutch...I'm too poor for that shit haha. Might just wait untill I get a 600 like(hopefully) mid next year when I get my full like vtec said. How easy are 600s to wheelie, just out of interest?

[vtec]

Easy. Just a matter of sitting at the right speed for your gearing and power, back off the throttle and get back on. Usually a suitable speed is 50-80kph depending on your gearing. That's for first gear wheelies. My race bike could do second gear power wheelies but it was obviously geared down.

[Brett]

You need to talk to Brett (thats his KB name)

He used to wheelie his ZXR250C's... you'll probably want to get a new clutch FIRST, but make sure you 'run it in' before doing wheeles. He could do pretty good wheelies on his 250, arguably better than I could on my 600 at the time so that says something.

Just so you know the power on a ZXR doesn't really start to build until 10,000rpm+, but it's best between 12k-16k. Also it's gonna happen real fast, and you'll probably end up screwing your steering head bearings among other things.

If you really want to wheelie i'd also suggest getting a rear sprocket with a 'few' more teeth. At least 3, maybe 6 more than standard if possible - how often do you use the 180kmh top speed anyway?

Cheers mate.

The ZXR CAN be wheelied. Mine was a 250C so it was lighter than your earlier model ZXR is. However, I would imagine it can be done. And yes, yo do need a decent clutch! A lot of 250's, especially the older ones, have tired old clutches that slip too much. Assuming your clutch is reasonable, here is how I used to do them...from memory which was 2 years ago, so bear with me. Also, when the clutch is decent, it is not too hard on the clutch either. no worse than a fast gear change when riding fairly hard. I had a new clutch at 20,000kms and at 45000kms it was still going perfectly and I would wheelie pretty much everyday a few times.

So...I found that it is easier to get into 1st gear and accelerate moderately untill the bike is revving about 9,000rpm - 10,000rpm, ie it is already heading into the torque range. (this is why the wear and tear is quite low). Then, quickly pull in the clutch and rev to about 14,000rpm - 16,000 rpm. and dump. This action takes place over about 1 second. Front will lift.
Depending on your bike, gearing etc. you will get the hang of it and exactly how much throttle to give, at what RPM and to rev how high before dumping. Then it is just a matter of learning the bike to work out how long you can ride it. Just bear in mind that they are a small engine and when the wheel is high in the air, the engine is not really strong enough to bring the front down too slowly. This can be hard on fork seals, however you can learn to land them softly.

Here is a vid where I am wheeling (note I am just finishing the wheelie in the background, I am not the object of attention in the foreground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoRqqWaXmCE

Good luck!

[wbks]

Cheers mate.

The ZXR CAN be wheelied. Mine was a 250C so it was lighter than your earlier model ZXR is. However, I would imagine it can be done. And yes, yo do need a decent clutch! A lot of 250's, especially the older ones, have tired old clutches that slip too much. Assuming your clutch is reasonable, here is how I used to do them...from memory which was 2 years ago, so bear with me. Also, when the clutch is decent, it is not too hard on the clutch either. no worse than a fast gear change when riding fairly hard. I had a new clutch at 20,000kms and at 45000kms it was still going perfectly and I would wheelie pretty much everyday a few times.

So...I found that it is easier to get into 1st gear and accelerate moderately untill the bike is revving about 9,000rpm - 10,000rpm, ie it is already heading into the torque range. (this is why the wear and tear is quite low). Then, quickly pull in the clutch and rev to about 14,000rpm - 16,000 rpm. and dump. This action takes place over about 1 second. Front will lift.
Depending on your bike, gearing etc. you will get the hang of it and exactly how much throttle to give, at what RPM and to rev how high before dumping. Then it is just a matter of learning the bike to work out how long you can ride it. Just bear in mind that they are a small engine and when the wheel is high in the air, the engine is not really strong enough to bring the front down too slowly. This can be hard on fork seals, however you can learn to land them softly.

Here is a vid where I am wheeling (note I am just finishing the wheelie in the background, I am not the object of attention in the foreground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoRqqWaXmCE

Good luck!This would explain why I can't do them! I was riding to like 5grand and slipping the clutch. Is it possible to ride into second gear or a bit underpowered?

[Brett]

This would explain why I can't do them! I was riding to like 5grand and slipping the clutch. Is it possible to ride into second gear or a bit underpowered?

It is doable, but you would need to be close to balance point because power alone is not nearly enough to control the wheel in the air from coming down. I tried quite a few times to do this, and did not achieve it.

[skidMark]

roll along to 4k rpm in first....clutch it rev it to 13k rpm....dont slip clutch....drop it hard......

she will come up, if not your clutch is slipping, make sure tyres are hot and sticky.....

if you want to know how to upgrade your clutch for better wheelies email me brngiton@hotmail.com .

[El Santos]

anyone can wheelie like this??
http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=YHWBL-JmBxg

wat abt this
http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=i7x6LWP1FKE

[racefactory]

no one mentioned pushing down on the forks?

Chrislost wheelied my NC30 and this thing has a rediculously tall gear for a 400cc with over 110kph in first gear... it also has lovely V4 which is very compact, far forward, and low down.... All the things you don't want for wheelies.

It can be done alright.

[Brett]

no one mentioned pushing down on the forks?

Chrislost wheelied my NC30 and this thing has a rediculously tall gear for a 400cc with over 110kph in first gear... it also has lovely V4 which is very compact, far forward, and low down.... All the things you don't want for wheelies.

It can be done alright.

Being a 250, weight transfer is not really a huge part of it. You are already trying to control the clutching motion (which comes up pretty quickly) and throwing a bounce on the front shocks woul dbe a bit too much for the average punter to grapple. That said, you do want your weight on the back of the bike....

I know with the 600, it lifts easily in 2nd with a slight bounce on forks and blip of throttle.

[archie-no2]

i can get the wheel off the ground on a gn250 about 5 inch for bout 1-2 seconds but that is fast walking speed and 6 thousand revs and drop the clutch. dont wont to go more and come off the back.

[Brett]

i can get the wheel off the ground on a gn250 about 5 inch for bout 1-2 seconds but that is fast walking speed and 6 thousand revs and drop the clutch. dont wont to go more and come off the back.

trying putting as much weight as possible backwards. it would be hard work to get a decent wheelie going...but not impossible.

[archie-no2]

thanks i just took it for a ride its a 2005 bike with 9000 on the clock and it started backfiring so will have to stop riding it for a while and take a look at the problem so wont tackle that wheelie for a while or even untill i get a bigger bike.

[racefactory]

How much does a ZXR do in first gear?

[wbks]

Not sure. Never really taken it over 16000 in anything less than 5th along a strait...Just going from memory though (so maybe a bit off) I think 70? I would check now but I'm trying to keep my bike in good condition for jan 17th :)
btw I havent noticed my clutch slipping while riding it hard but when I try to wheelstand from 5k slipping it from nearly redline it just pops up a little then down and when I roll higher in the revs it doenst come up at all. Ohwell. Leave the m for when I get a 600

[NOMIS]

Not sure. Never really taken it over 16000 in anything less than 5th along a strait...Just going from memory though (so maybe a bit off) I think 70? I would check now but I'm trying to keep my bike in good condition for jan 17th :)
btw I havent noticed my clutch slipping while riding it hard but when I try to wheelstand from 5k slipping it from nearly redline it just pops up a little then down and when I roll higher in the revs it doenst come up at all. Ohwell. Leave the m for when I get a 600

Try just dumping the clutch ful throttel at around 14grand from 4grand
works on the hornet
I get to balance point and shit my self everytime though , given up looking like a idiot now lol havnt tried for last month

[wbks]

Thats pretty much what I'm doing.