Truck drivers

[Trumpess]

Good morning!

Can any truck driver that may reside here in KB, please tell me the law from the road code regarding the use of exhaust brakes in a built up/residential area?

If its not to much trouble, can I please have it quoted from the Truck Driver Road Code?

Thanks heaps in advance.

[lb99]

kept up last night?, I'm lookng for my road code right now

[Headbanger]

There is no law.

[Trumpess]

There is no law.


Sorry .... I thought there was, or is it just a requirement of the Road Code?

[Headbanger]

Sorry .... I thought there was, or is it just a requirement of the Road Code?

Sorry, trolling.

muhahahahahaha.

Though I found this.


http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:_Qm0fcg2TmwJ:www.ltsa.govt.nz/roads/traffic-notes/traffic-note-19-rev1.pdf+law+regarding+exhaust+brakes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nz

Section 4 is relevant to law and enforcement.

[lb99]

nothing specfic here regarding exhaust brakes, but it does state

"you must not drive a veihicle that makes noise that is likely to cause annoyance to any person"

I'm pretty sure that you are only resticted on exhaust brakes when it is signposted....

When I went for my driving test the instructor made me put em on, I asked about it seeing as we were in town, he said sweet as, provided there are no signs.
However, now I only use it when I need to

[tri boy]

As HeadBanger says, theres no "official" law, but district councils can erect signage etc to help restrict the use.
However, I would prefer to be woken up by the sound of a jake break being used when required, rather than a truck with excessive speed crashing through my fence.
Drivers are good, but sometimes they overcook their speed, and retarders/exhaust brakes will get them out of a awkward maneuver.
Magnetic brakes, and water flow brakes seem to be thin on the ground in NZ.

[marty]

1. the road code is not law. it tells you about the law, but it not the law.

2. the use of engine brakes in built up areas is usually covered by a bylaw - there is one in place for the Waipa DC, but I can't find anything for Christchurch City. here's the traffic bylaw for Churchur: http://www.ccc.govt.nz/bylaws/ChristchurchCityCouncilTrafficAndParkingBylaw2008. pdf

[Trumpess]

Thanks heaps for the replys guys.
Wasnt sure so thats why I asked.
I will call the council tomorrow and get them to detail it a bit more for me from their by-law perspective.
I need facts first before I can open my mouth :lol:

I live in a very quiet, flat, mainly residential/slightly industrial area where we have huge salvage trucks use the street, mainly during the day.
I don't have any problems with this, but a few street residents have been in touch with the company concerned many times to try and get them to inforce lower speeds in and out of the street, due to the street being populated by kids of all ages, the size and weight of the trucks, and the use of exhaust brakes, where we view it to be unnessceary because of the simplicity of the street.
The company has obliged on many occasions by talking to their drivers, but only seems to last for a day or two. There is one rouge driver in particular who simply dosen't give a toss, which is sad as well as frustrating.

Thanks again, I appreciate your help.

[Korumba]

Your post reminded me of this prank call.

http://www.fugly.com/videos/12032/australian_truck_driver_engine_brake_call.html

[Trumpess]

Your post reminded me of this prank call.

http://www.fugly.com/videos/12032/australian_truck_driver_engine_brake_call.html


Extremley colourfull ...... thanks for the laugh!!

[trustme]

He is not a driver , he is just a steerer, bottom of the heap
Drivers do not use a jake in built up areas.
Operators only use them as a speed retarder to hold the truck back on a down hill stretch.
There have been more than a few accidents caused by misuse of the Jake Brake
Please do not refer to this bottom feeder as a driver , he ain't & probably never will be. Not that this is any help to you, you have my sympathy, start writing letters to all and sundry so the tow Company gets ear ache from all the snivelling.
Tell the towies you are complaining to the CVIU, no truckie wants those arseholes on their tail.

[Headbanger]

Funny that, Most of the truck drivers I know ignore such signs and use there own judgement for their driving, and they should be using the jake brake to scrub off speed rather then hauling on the brakes. Has nothing to do with a downhill.

Though I do believe the particular driver being complained about is being a prick on purpose. Tiny minds play tiny games.

[trustme]

I don't want to turn this into a debate on truck driving ,but, a jakes is a speed retarder not a brake, why would you use a brake that operates on 2 axles when you have braking on all axles available, it is like slowing your bike using only the rear brake , used sometimes but not the best way to ride. There have been numerous accidents in the wet where the driver hits the jakes , locks the drivers & instant jacknife.
Not so long ago I ran across a Mainfreight B train on the Napier side of the Napier Taupo road. you could smell the brakes from 50m away , smoke pouring off his hubs, cooked brakes that is avoided by changing down gears & using the Jake brake to hold your speed & touch the brakes sparingly on long down hill stretches. Jakes help to slow you but they are not brakes
Only places I use a jake in a city is the likes of Stanley St or the Harbour Bridge in AK, Ngauranga Gorge in Wgtn or the Kilmog into Dunedin. around town it is not necessary IMO.

[Headbanger]

ah, Just showing my ignorance by referring to the wrong braking system, That's what happens when in a thread with someone who does know there stuff. Lmfao.

:innocent:

Pretend I actually said exhaust brake....and if it still makes no sense then just pretend I never said anything at all.....

[Slyer]

While on a trip to palmy I noticed that truck drivers sometimes do a quick right-indicate at each other, is this some sort of wave?

[trustme]

While on a trip to palmy I noticed that truck drivers sometimes do a quick right-indicate at each other, is this some sort of wave?

Yup, used mainly at night, some of them are lit up like a xmas tree with non stop winkin & blinkin at every other truck.

[Quasievil]

Not driving anymore but sometimes you just got to use them, example south bound into Orewa, I was usually loaded big ie 40 + MT (thats a fuck load of weight) I would come into that last hill in the low box but the steepness would just over rev the engine, the brakes where an option but not for the whole hill, I would use full Jakes (thinking sorry folks) but fuck, better that than a 40 MT + Kenworth in someones front lawn eh.

[xwhatsit]

Magnetic brakes, and water flow brakes seem to be thin on the ground in NZ.
Was there ever a diesel-electric truck built? Like the locomotives? Diesel engine spinning a generator, fed to electric motors on the wheels. Electric motors give lots of torque as we know, no need for a squillion-gear gearbox. Also, the relevant bit, is they have a regenerative brake (in addition to normal brakes), used like an exhaust brake. Turn that on, uses the electric motors as generators, charges a big battery at the same time to supplement the diesel generator.

Be nice and quiet. Surely somebody's tried this on a truck?

[trustme]

not driving anymore but sometimes you just got to use them, example south bound into orewa, i was usually loaded big ie 40 + mt (thats a fuck load of weight) i would come into that last hill in the low box but the steepness would just over rev the engine, the brakes where an option but not for the whole hill, i would use full jakes (thinking sorry folks) but fuck, better that than a 40 mt + kenworth in someones front lawn eh.

exactly.!!!

[Timber020]

I use my exhaust brakes all the time around town, when I have to get my wheel brakes done it often costs over 2k, so I use the exhaust as much as I can. But mine arent loud like some. I drove an old ERF that used to make a racket when they were set to full.

[Slyer]

Yup, used mainly at night, some of them are lit up like a xmas tree with non stop winkin & blinkin at every other truck.
We started doing it to trucks in our station wagon and got a few responses! Stoked :D

[tri boy]

Was there ever a diesel-electric truck built? Like the locomotives? Diesel engine spinning a generator, fed to electric motors on the wheels. Electric motors give lots of torque as we know, no need for a squillion-gear gearbox. Also, the relevant bit, is they have a regenerative brake (in addition to normal brakes), used like an exhaust brake. Turn that on, uses the electric motors as generators, charges a big battery at the same time to supplement the diesel generator.

Be nice and quiet. Surely somebody's tried this on a truck?

Very common on Haulpaks, (Komatsu mining dump trucks).
Great way to control 200tonnes+ on a steep decent, but a very expensive arrangement, that also needs alot of space for contol boxes, and large motors on wheel assy's. Google Komatsu dump trucks.
Awsome to turn a tiny dial on a dash that controls such force.

[trustme]

Some years ago in a misguided attempt to train up a driver I took Bro long haul truckin.
Heading north from Wgtn, at the top of that long down hill run to Waitahanui just south of Taupo , I suggest to Bro that he might want to change down a gear or 2 & use the Jake Brake. Bro ever anxious to please hits the Jake , misses the gear & stalls the motor. As we gather speed down the hill there is a panicky voice over the whistle of the wind
" What's happened, I got no steering "
" You've stalled, start the motor quick before you kill us both, you fucking moron "
It was an interesting trip , my nerves have never been the same.
Bro was never going to drive large trucks as long as his arse pointed down, he went shortly after

[Quasievil]

Some years ago in a misguided attempt to train up a driver I took Bro long haul truckin.
Heading north from Wgtn, at the top of that long down hill run to Waitahanui just south of Taupo , I suggest to Bro that he might want to change down a gear or 2 & use the Jake Brake. Bro ever anxious to please hits the Jake , misses the gear & stalls the motor. As we gather speed down the hill there is a panicky voice over the whistle of the wind
" What's happened, I got no steering "
" You've stalled, start the motor quick before you kill us both, you fucking moron "
It was an interesting trip , my nerves have never been the same.
Bro was never going to drive large trucks as long as his arse pointed down, he went shortly after

Fuck that shit.
Its a interesting thing as to how people percive trucks, most unfortunetly dont have a clue about what the dynamics involved are.

[sinfull]

Was a period there where there was a shortage of drivers and every man jack was let behind the wheel, trucks were tipping over all over the place but the cowboys seem to have thinned out again !
Have to say i miss driving, ok ok not !!!! (wow that was a short reminiss)