2 Bikes, 1 Rider = 1 Rego?

[Bend-it]

Does anyone else think this makes sense?

Most of the cost of a rego is the ACC levy, and you're only using one bike at a time, so the risk is the same whether you have 1 or 20 bikes!

So why is it that we have to pay the ACC component of the registration for each different bike/vehicle we have??

[sinfull]

Does anyone else think this makes sense?

Most of the cost of a rego is the ACC levy, and you're only using one bike at a time, so the risk is the same whether you have 1 or 20 bikes!

So why is it that we have to pay the ACC component of the registration for each different bike/vehicle we have??
2 bikes (similar) 1 rego = sell one (no = saving) but do ya wanna buy one off me so i can really pretend i'm a young racer and buy a race bike ?

[Bend-it]

Sorry man, but I didn't understand that...

The point of having 2 bikes to to have 2 DIS-similar bikes, I'de have thought... but KB, the coldly logical community it is, is bound to have afew detractors...

[mdnzz]

its called revenue, and it covers all registered vehicles, we have 3 bikes and a 2 cars and a truck but pay for all, levies included, guess that is a privelage for wanting more than one form of transportation at a time.

[CookMySock]

You are right. But this has all been talked about before. I doubt anyone can pull it off with the gubmint. Prove us wrong..

Steve

[sinfull]

Sorry man, but I didn't understand that...

The point of having 2 bikes to to have 2 DIS-similar bikes, ...

Yep that would be the logical idea, however i came across a 1050 after owning a 955 Speed 3 so ended up with two similar bikes ! Ya sure ya dont want to buy it ?
(Just waiting till Mrs sits her full in 4 weeks and it'll be gone on a trade), but then i really want another toy myself ohhhhhh the delema of it all, sex or toy sex or toy mmmm well that was easy, i'm going shopping !

[rudolph]

I know 2 very rich people who have over 70 bikes each and they have yellow dealer or repairer plates, so I rang the LTSA and asked what would be needed to get one, and they told me to get fucked

[gunnyrob]

Easiest thing is have no ACC levy in rego, just increase the levy on Petrol. Big 4x4 = big petrol bill. Only pay for what you use.

[The Pastor]

Easiest thing is have no ACC levy in rego, just increase the levy on Petrol. Big 4x4 = big petrol bill. Only pay for what you use.
nah cos you dont have to pay the rego = cheap gas and no rego hahahaha

[Bend-it]

Okay then, in the spirit of the Ben and Bill party, I'll register a new party for the next elections... 1 Rego per driver / rider party. Anyone wants to join me as potential list MPs?

[rudolph]

Okay then, in the spirit of the Ben and Bill party, I'll register a new party for the next elections... 1 Rego per driver / rider party. Anyone wants to join me as potential list MPs?

Yes and get rid of WOFs like in most parts of Australia thats another annoying thing with more than 2 or 3 bikes

[Forest]

I know 2 very rich people who have over 70 bikes each and they have yellow dealer or repairer plates, so I rang the LTSA and asked what would be needed to get one, and they told me to get fucked

If you have a significant collection of bikes, it makes sense to set up a company (or trustee company) to own and manage your bike collection.

Getting a trade plate is pretty easy but you need to be able to demonstrate a good reason why you need one. Managing a transport museum is a legitimate reason.

There's more info on the following factsheet:

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicle-ownership/trade-plates.html

[James Deuce]

Doesn't work.

I've occasionally lent the second bike to people in need.

[rudolph]

If you have a significant collection of bikes, it makes sense to set up a company (or trustee company) to own and manage your bike collection.

Getting a trade plate is pretty easy but you need to be able to demonstrate a good reason why you need one. Managing a transport museum is a legitimate reason.

There's more info on the following factsheet:

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicle-ownership/trade-plates.html

I tryed to do it through my folks componey but i was turned down, its very hard to get a D or a R plate

[NighthawkNZ]

You are right. But this has all been talked about before. I doubt anyone can pull it off with the gubmint. Prove us wrong..

Steve

one person won't the the general public as a whole probably could..

[Daffyd]

Funny, I was musing over this same idea just yesterday and came up with the idea of sticking the ACC levy on drivers' licences.
The reasoning is, as above, one can only ride one bike-drive one vehicle at a time.

[Oakie]

One ACC fee per person instead of per bike? Think it thru:

Say ACC needs $15 million per year to cover all bike related injuries.
There are 70000 bikes registered in NZ (just a figure plucked out of thin air)
So $15mil divided by 70,000 = $214.28 per bike

Now change from ACC levy per bike to ACC levy per person and guess what. The cost of accidents to fund stays the same but the number of contributors goes down. The sum is now
$15 mil divided by (lets say) 40000 individual bikers.
The result is an now an amount payable per person of $375 per person

Yep. It's a win for those with more than one bike but a loss for the majority of riders who only have one bike.

Swings and roundabouts. Yes, you can only ride one bike at a time but you can go an have an accident every month and still be covered by ACC.

[James Deuce]

What Oakie said.

I think it should just be on petrol and diesel. The total take would go up and rego wouldn't feel like a burden

[kiwi cowboy]

Doesn't work.

I've occasionally lent the second bike to people in need.

Yes but the person that borrows your bike has probably got a bike out of action or a cage the same thats redged so has paid acc levy so does work and bring it on.
Iwould go further and have personal redg like insurance is .i.e the bigger the risk you are the more you pay with no accident bonus like no claims bonus on insurance.

[kiwi cowboy]

What Oakie said.

I think it should just be on petrol and diesel. The total take would go up and rego wouldn't feel like a burden

I see your point on fuel and the plus is the people running with no redg still have to pay acc as they gotta have fuel;)

[Trick.Import]

just put the plate and wof on the bike you gona ride and put sum tape over the manufacture`s name, the cops not gona look that close and wont no unless he`s a rider himself

[Ixion]

The problem with doing it on a personal basis, is that the only way to monitor it would be by a charge on licences. That has two issues . One, it would mean yearly DL renewals - and I bet LTNZ would want to charge extra for the renewal. And probably eye testes each year too. Second, more significant;y, there's a lot of people have a licence but use it only very rarely. Old folk and such, mums , lots. It wouldn't be fair to hit them for a full rego, but they wouldn't want to hand in their licence to save the charge

Which is why BRONZ's position is that it should be on fuel. More you drive, more the risk, more you may. And it's almost impossible to avoid, gotta have fuel. And because fuel already pays an ACC levy, they amount of red tape would actually diminish.

[rocketman1]

Mate, I totally agree with you, I cannot see why that is the case.
I suggest you just swap the plates to the other bikes, like all my mates do that have several road bikes.
You take the risk.
It is ridiculous to pay for rego for several bikes.
You can however register a bike for a day if you like or a week etc etc
and that only costs a few dollars, and keeps you safe with the law and the insurance companies.

[Ixion]

..
You can however register a bike for a day if you like or a week etc etc
and that only costs a few dollars, and keeps you safe with the law and the insurance companies.


You can, but unless it's forty years old, you can only do it once every three months. Because when the short term rego runs out you must put it back on hold, and when you do that, if you then reregister it again before three months has passed you get hit for the whole three month period. Utter barstools.

[98tls]

Mate, I totally agree with you, I cannot see why that is the case.
I suggest you just swap the plates to the other bikes, like all my mates do that have several road bikes.
You take the risk.
It is ridiculous to pay for rego for several bikes.
You can however register a bike for a day if you like or a week etc etc
and that only costs a few dollars, and keeps you safe with the law and the insurance companies. Really?i thought a month was the least amount of time.

[James Deuce]

Yes but the person that borrows your bike has probably got a bike out of action or a cage the same thats redged so has paid acc levy so does work and bring it on.
Iwould go further and have personal redg like insurance is .i.e the bigger the risk you are the more you pay with no accident bonus like no claims bonus on insurance.
It doesn't work if you are the only person "licensed" to ride or drive the vehicle.

If it goes against your license, the yearly fee would just shift from registration to license. It would end up costing us more because the license would have a yearly fee equivalent to ACC, would probably have to be renewed yearly to prove ACC had been paid and then Rego would still cost $70 or whatever it is.

[Forest]

Which is why BRONZ's position is that it should be on fuel. More you drive, more the risk, more you may. And it's almost impossible to avoid, gotta have fuel. And because fuel already pays an ACC levy, they amount of red tape would actually diminish.

I bet the V8 and hotrod fans really love you guys! :lol:

[letard]

the only way you could really get away with 2 bikes same plate is...

same bike. same colour, similar year. and just swap plate and rego over

[gijoe1313]

I watch this with interest, since my collection of bikes is making me tend to be a tad OTT in usual terms! :innocent:

[Forest]

the only way you could really get away with 2 bikes same plate is...

same bike. same colour, similar year. and just swap plate and rego over

Then you have a bin and the insurance company starts wondering about why the bike's VIN doesn't match the rego docs!

[Gremlin]

Then you have a bin and the insurance company starts wondering about why the bike's VIN doesn't match the rego docs!
no silly, you grabs the other bike, and biffs it down the road in the same fashion, and claim on THAT one!!!

wait... something is not adding up - why do you get yourself smashed up twice? Maybe get a mate?

[DIN PELENDA]

My R1 for summer and ST1100 for winter 1/2 year reg , 1/2 on hold ,so only pay one reg.

[DEATH_INC.]

I bet the V8 and hotrod fans really love you guys! :lol:
Yep, why the fuck should I pay lots for my UAV that has never caused an ACC claim? Yet I've had heaps of bike related claims....some my fault, some not. Look back at the history of the old kB rides, lotsa 400/250 bins, yet they'd be paying less ACC?
Just coz you drive a Prius doesn't mean you dont crash.....
I do think the rego/acc system needs reviewing though, coz I don't crash more with 3 vehicles than I do with 1....

[Racey Rider]

Class Action - (don't really know what that means - Heard it on TV of course)

Test it in court.

Somebody send ACC a bill for the unused part on the second Rego they have paid. When ACC send back a polite note saying 'Yer Right. Like thats guna happen!" We all chip in $20 for a fighting fund.

Maybe even small claim court would do, as they don't have to stick strictly to NZ law, but can come up with a "This is fair" decision.

Then when we go to rego that second bike, we draw their attention to the precedent set by the 'KB vs ACC' case 2009, and get cheaper second rego.

So...
Who's got some time up there sleeve, and likes playing lawyer?

[popelli]

it really isn't anything to do with ACC

its about getting bikes off the road altogether

[Bend-it]

One ACC fee per person instead of per bike? Think it thru:

Say ACC needs $15 million per year to cover all bike related injuries.
There are 70000 bikes registered in NZ (just a figure plucked out of thin air)
So $15mil divided by 70,000 = $214.28 per bike

Now change from ACC levy per bike to ACC levy per person and guess what. The cost of accidents to fund stays the same but the number of contributors goes down. The sum is now
$15 mil divided by (lets say) 40000 individual bikers.
The result is an now an amount payable per person of $375 per person

Yep. It's a win for those with more than one bike but a loss for the majority of riders who only have one bike.


Yup, so right now, those with multiple bikes are in fact subsidising those with only one, when in fact, they both run the same risk. So, while single bike owners will end up paying more, it wouldn't be unfair, they're just paying their share of the cost.

The other options were:

1. Attach ACC to licenses - Doesn't work because there are people who have a license but drive only very rarely and you'll need annual license renewals.

2. Attach ACC to petrol - Less unfair, as Big rig drivers will be paying the most ACC, and realistically are the least likely to be injured in a crash, while 50cc scooter riders will be pying nothing, but more likely to be injured.

How about...

3. Scrapping motor-accident related ACC, include injury insurance in with motor vehicle insurance and make THAT compulsory? That way, premiums can be calculated to suit the individual's circumstances.

[James Deuce]

3. Scrapping motor-accident related ACC, include injury insurance in with motor vehicle insurance and make THAT compulsory? That way, premiums can be calculated to suit the individual's circumstances.

By a private Corporate who now has a license to rape our wallets.

ACC have calculated that Motorcyclists should be paying approx $480 in ACC levies. So that's where an Insurance company would start the scale.

[F5 Dave]

I understand that in France you pay on Licence.
It seems logimacal, if a drag on infrequent flyers, but is fairer for those with multiple vehicles. I mean you can't run more than one at a time & if you loan one then that person is already paying.

I think in this day & age 90% of bikers have a car as well so most are paying some ACC to start.

[NighthawkNZ]

I personally don't believe I should have to pay ACC if I have full insurance... If I have an off and I am off work I get more from my insurance than I would from acc anyhow, and my insurance would be a lot quicker at paying... and if I get my insurance acc won't pay a dime... so why should I pay it.

If ACC is on fuel then it also covers the boaties, when you mow the lawn and get something your eye, that home chainsaw accident. and only when you are out using the bike, car or microlite..


I think in this day & age 90% of bikers have a car as well so most are paying some ACC to start.
wahoo im in that 10% don't have a cage license either...