Don't often indicate when overtaking

[rocketman1]

Who else has the problem I do. That is I often don't indicate when overtaking.
It is habit that I cant seem to get out of. I know that I'm aware of the problem.
I indicate when driving in the car, but on the bike its just a quick look in the mirror and gone, Bugger I forgot to indicate again, anyone else have this disease??

[gammaguy]

i ALWAYS indicate when changing lanes or turning.

thing is if you ride thru Christchurch as i do most days,indicating to overtake is a declaration of war to many car driving cockheads,so im down a gear and gone before mr or ms angryperson has a chance to react.:yawn:

its all about survival:yes:

[TexasDog]

i indercate about 5% of the time but the rest of the time im to busy passing car after car to care about it

[wbks]

I'm the same. I always look behind to check there isn't anyone about to pass me and its usually pretty obvious that I'm passing so I never bother. Well thats only when I'm quickly in and out of passing. Which is mainly because by the time your indicator starts flicking you are already done passing. Usually remember to use my signals when I'm surrounded by traffic or cops though.

[Quailboy]

Probably 1 in 10 I indicate.

I'm too busy thinking about the other things I am doing to actually overtake. Though I am very aware of others around me, and if I feel it necessary I will always indicate.

[Grahameeboy]

Why do you need to indicate to overtake...??? I don't unless changing lanes...what is the point.

[wbks]

what is the point. I guess its more noticeable to drivers who may be about to pull out in front of you to pass whats ahead of them while you are riding beside them. Saw a vid of it on utube once. Rider pulled out fast to pass and i guess the driver didn't hear the rider or see him because he got pushed over onto the grass and into a ditch at about 110-120k's.:wacko:

[Ragingrob]

I don't see the problem in pushing a little button sideways just before overtaking. A flashing light in my mirror is more noticable than just a moving bike. Even if it just adds that extra bit more chance that someone sees you and therefore doesn't pull out into you.

I don't really like it when people don't indicate when turning or changing lanes or overtaking, no matter how supposedly 'obvious' it is to them what they're doing. A flashing indicator is more obvious than perceiving a change in speed.

[Grahameeboy]

I guess its more noticeable to drivers who may be about to pull out in front of you to pass whats ahead of them while you are riding beside them. Saw a vid of it on utube once. Rider pulled out fast to pass and i guess the driver didn't hear the rider or see him because he got pushed over onto the grass and into a ditch at about 110-120k's.:wacko:

I would hope my twin headlights would be obvious plus if you are along side they ain't gonna see any lights...

Indicators are generally for the person behind.

Rule of thumb is not too pass the car in front if it is obvious they may also pass the car they are following

[blossomsowner]

I don't see the problem in pushing a little button sideways just before overtaking. A flashing light in my mirror is more noticable than just a moving bike. Even if it just adds that extra bit more chance that someone sees you and therefore doesn't pull out into you.

I don't really like it when people don't indicate when turning or changing lanes or overtaking, no matter how supposedly 'obvious' it is to them what they're doing. A flashing indicator is more obvious than perceiving a change in speed.



I'm with you...........its not hard to push a little button right, then left, then off, showing courtesy is always good. i get pissed off when cars don't indicate so bikes should too...............

[Retroqueen]

I don't see the problem in pushing a little button sideways just before overtaking. A flashing light in my mirror is more noticable than just a moving bike. Even if it just adds that extra bit more chance that someone sees you and therefore doesn't pull out into you.

I don't really like it when people don't indicate when turning or changing lanes or overtaking, no matter how supposedly 'obvious' it is to them what they're doing. A flashing indicator is more obvious than perceiving a change in speed.
Push to the left, push to right seems the right thing to do.
I don't want to lay my new baby down just becasue some one didn't seem me.

[Trumpess]

I don't indicate either, only because my old girl dosen't have any to flash.
However, I do use hand signals if safe to do so and is usually in and around town.

[slimjim]

yup do on all overtaking...even if pulling into shopping mall park...seem's safety first worry about pissed off cager's second..cause quiet a few cagers get pissed off for pulling into car park's...sorry signalled first..lol

[vifferman]

I wuz very surprised in Yurp at the realtive dearth of indicating over there, especially in Holland. I thought they knew how to drive properly there. :confused:
Nup.
Although they don't hog the overtaking lane like the wankers here (every morning this week I've had to change lanes to the left or far left because the right lanes was clogged with people doing 90-95 km/h :angry:), the normal passing manouevre in Yurp is to pull back to the right without more than 1 blip at most. And usually about 1-2 metres in front of you. Quite disconcerting....
As for me, I usally indicate manouevres, but I realised a few weeks ago that I've become D'Aucklandised, and confirminate AS I move, not 3 seconds beforehand as one is spozed to. It's a hard habit to break, but I'm practicing.

[EJK]

By law, you must indicate 3 seconds before taking the action right?

Well... within less than 3 seconds (most most most of the times, unless there is a big big big straight road) I miss my overtaking chance....

[Badjelly]

By law, you must indicate 3 seconds before taking the action right?

Well... within less than 3 seconds (most most most of the times, unless there is a big big big straight road) I miss my overtaking chance....

I see what you mean, but I don't think that's actually true. You are allowed to think ahead.

[EJK]

I see what you mean, but I don't think that's actually true. You are allowed to think ahead.

Ofcourse, I mean seriously is there anyone here who has never ridden their bike over 100kph? :laugh:

[Kinje]

I generally indicate when pulling out but not when pulling back in.

It is probably well less than 3 seconds though as it all happens so quickly.

[Ragingrob]

By law, you must indicate 3 seconds before taking the action right?

Well... within less than 3 seconds (most most most of the times, unless there is a big big big straight road) I miss my overtaking chance....

I don't think it's by 'law' ay... It's what the road code says, but the road code is not law as such. If you're going 100kph and you indicate for 3 seconds before you pull ay, and then 3 seconds before you pull back in, that takes up 166.67 metres :eek:, requiring 266.67 metres of clear view before you can ever pass :bleh:

[howdamnhard]

I don't see the problem in pushing a little button sideways just before overtaking. A flashing light in my mirror is more noticable than just a moving bike. Even if it just adds that extra bit more chance that someone sees you and therefore doesn't pull out into you.

I don't really like it when people don't indicate when turning or changing lanes or overtaking, no matter how supposedly 'obvious' it is to them what they're doing. A flashing indicator is more obvious than perceiving a change in speed.

What he said!:Punk:

[EJK]

I don't think it's by 'law' ay... It's what the road code says, but the road code is not law as such. If you're going 100kph and you indicate for 3 seconds before you pull ay, and then 3 seconds before you pull back in, that takes up 166.67 metres :eek:, requiring 266.67 metres of clear view before you can ever pass :bleh:

Very nice :niceone:

[vifferman]

Ofcourse, I mean seriously is there anyone here who has never ridden their bike over 100kph? :laugh:
Yeah, of course I haven't!
Well... at least not in the last [checks watch] 5 hours.

[slofox]

ALWAYS indicate, both ways, out and back in......habit of looooong standing....but I never count the seconds.....

[Usarka]

How many of you non-indicators throw a wobbly when a car driver changes lane in front without indicating? :sherlock:

I know it's hard to believe but bikes can be overtaken, especially by other faster (read: stupider) bikers......

(for the record im with kinje, indicate over not back in)

[Daffyd]

I generally indicate when pulling out but not when pulling back in.

It is probably well less than 3 seconds though as it all happens so quickly.

I agree, I mean it's bloody obvious that you're going to go back into your own side of the road.

[Ragingrob]

I agree, I mean it's bloody obvious that you're going to go back into your own side of the road.

Unless you're gonna turn down a street to the right :p

[Daffyd]

Unless you're gonna turn down a street to the right :p

Then you'd be silly to overtake.

[Ragingrob]

Then you'd be silly to overtake.

Why? There's a truck going 70kph in front of me in a 100kph area, my visibility is completely clear and I wanna turn down a road on the right about 100m... Why's it silly to overtake the truck and turn down the road?

[Badjelly]

Why? There's a truck going 70kph in front of me in a 100kph area, my visibility is completely clear and I wanna turn down a road on the right about 100m... Why's it silly to overtake the truck and turn down the road?
Vehicle turning left out of the road.

[Ragingrob]

Vehicle turning left out of the road.

And what's gonna stop that vehicle turning left out of any road or driveway anytime I'm overtaking?

There's a good question....

Who checks left before turning left onto a road? Just to make sure nobody's overtaking.

I try to have a quick glance sometimes, but not always... Would result in a terrible crash though!

[Mikkel]

Indicators were not designed for overtaking.

If people were using them for their designated purpose it would be good. Too many people just don't bother indicating at all, and that's pretty serious IMHO.

Regarding overtaking, I don't indicate when pulling out to overtake unless there's oncoming traffic - or traffic close behind me. If I'm waiting for a hole in oncoming traffic I don't check my mirrors either. Neither do I indicate at merging lanes - the course of action is perfectly obvious.

[Badjelly]

And what's gonna stop that vehicle turning left out of any road or driveway anytime I'm overtaking?


Nothing. That's why I'm very careful in this situation. But you're suggesting it's OK to overtake another vehicle and then, before completing the manoeuvre, slow down to turn right into a side street, meaning more time on the right hand side of the road and a strong temptation to cut the corner to get away from the vehicle you've just overtaken, which is about to overtake you back, or maybe run into you. It doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

[Badjelly]

Regarding overtaking, I don't indicate when pulling out to overtake unless there's oncoming traffic - or traffic close behind me.

I tend to indicate whether or not I think there's anyone around who's going to see. It drives Mrs Jelly mad. "What are you indicating for?" she says, "there's no-one to see you." "Yes dear," I say. But I indicate anyway. I think it's a good habit to get into.

In the case of overtaking, there obviously is someone who might see you do it: the driver of the vehicle you're overtaking. Perhaps you like to take people by surprise? I don't.

[Ragingrob]

Nothing. That's why I'm very careful in this situation. But you're suggesting it's OK to overtake another vehicle and then, before completing the manoeuvre, slow down to turn right into a side street, meaning more time on the right hand side of the road and a strong temptation to cut the corner to get away from the vehicle you've just overtaken, which is about to overtake you back, or maybe run into you. It doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

I'm suggesting it's a possible action of someone who's overtaking, as a contradiction to Daffyd stating that it's so bloody obvious that the overtaker will pull back onto their side of the road.

More time on the right hand side of the road? If there's nothing coming :whocares:

Cut the corner? Yep if there's nothing waiting to turn left then cutting the corner's a definite option. Not to get away from the vehicle I've just overtaken though... Why would they be about to overtake me back if I'm on the right side of the road? And why would they run into me?

Many a time if there's traffic behind me and nothing coming towards me I will use the other side of the road as a right hand turn lane so that cars can undertake me safely. They're more likely to hit me if I'm squeezed into the middle of the road and they try push past me at 70 or 100kph.

[Ragingrob]

In the case of overtaking, there obviously is someone who might see you do it: the driver of the vehicle you're overtaking. Perhaps you like to take people by surprise? I don't.

+1

If you don't bother indicating, maybe they wont either and they'll turn right into you while you're overtaking them, without indicating.

An indicator makes you that little more visible and that car may notice you'll be beside him in a sec.

[TimeOut]

There's a good question....

Who checks left before turning left onto a road? Just to make sure nobody's overtaking.

I try to have a quick glance sometimes, but not always... Would result in a terrible crash though!

I do after just about being taken out 3 times while overtaking.

Who's at fault? I presume the one turning left.

As for indicating before overtaking I do if I have time

[Ragingrob]

I do after just about being taken out 3 times while overtaking.

Who's at fault? I presume the one turning left.

As for indicating before overtaking I do if I have time

Hmmm yeah I'd presume the one turning left too ay. Most people I know just look left and pull out though! I think that's probably fine around town if you've at least directly in front of you is clear, it's usually on the country roads where I try take a good look left as well just to check.

[swbarnett]

Who checks left before turning left onto a road? Just to make sure nobody's overtaking.
I do this religiously. Otherwise you're not looking were you're going when you pull out.


Who's at fault? I presume the one turning left.
The person overtaking has an obligation to ensure that they have sufficient visibility down the side road and to not overtake if there is a vehicle approaching the intersection from said side road.

[PrincessBandit]

Who else has the problem I do. ...
It is habit that I cant seem to get out of. I know that I'm aware of the problem.
I indicate when driving in the car, but on the bike its just a quick look in the mirror and gone,
Any habit can be broken and changed - all depends on how badly you want to do it.

i indercate about 5% of the time but the rest of the time im to busy passing car after car to care about it
How thoughtful of you.

Why do you need to indicate to overtake...??? I don't unless changing lanes...what is the point.
You are kidding me.....(damn, and i wasn't going to bite on that one, but it was too tempting!):bleh:

I don't see the problem in pushing a little button sideways just before overtaking. A flashing light in my mirror is more noticable than just a moving bike. Even if it just adds that extra bit more chance that someone sees you and therefore doesn't pull out into you.

I don't really like it when people don't indicate when turning or changing lanes or overtaking, no matter how supposedly 'obvious' it is to them what they're doing. A flashing indicator is more obvious than perceiving a change in speed.
With you all the way on that one. Just because we need to be mindreaders when on the road (seems to be one of the safest ways to keep your skin on) doesn't mean that everyone else can abuse our superior mental powers!!

Ofcourse, I mean seriously is there anyone here who has never ridden their bike over 100kph? :laugh:
What on earth does that have to do with the price of fish?

How many of you non-indicators throw a wobbly when a car driver changes lane in front without indicating? :sherlock:

I know it's hard to believe but bikes can be overtaken, especially by other faster (read: stupider) bikers......

(for the record im with kinje, indicate over not back in)
first sentence - really says it all in terms of "treat others how you'd like to be treated in return".

I agree, I mean it's bloody obvious that you're going to go back into your own side of the road.
Not necessarily.....

Indicators were not designed for overtaking.

Crikey, well ya learn something new everyday. Thanks for enlightening me on that point!

I do this religiously. Otherwise you're not looking were you're going when you pull out.


The person overtaking has an obligation to ensure that they have sufficient visibility down the side road and to not overtake if there is a vehicle approaching the intersection from said side road.

Pretty much makes sense that if you want to stay in one piece looking everywhere is fairly important. Hell, I remember hitting the back of a car through a give way a few years back all because i was busy looking right, saw nothing coming from that way, went to follow aforementioned car in front round to the left (had checked they were moving first - glanced back to the right, moved off and...):blank: they had decided to stop for no apparent reason. Helloooooo back bumper. My bad, and was a good reminder that all areas of the road and surrounding terrain need to be checked - not just the bits you think are obvious. I know that was a "following" example not an "overtaking" one, but the lessons are the same.

[Ragingrob]

I do this religiously. Otherwise you're not looking were you're going when you pull out.


The person overtaking has an obligation to ensure that they have sufficient visibility down the side road and to not overtake if there is a vehicle approaching the intersection from said side road.

Nice one! I just see so many people who look to the right and pull out and THEN look where they have started going... Bit too late then huh!

On your second point... You're saying that when you overtake, as well as 100m clear visibility ahead of you, you have to somehow see down side roads 50m ahead?

[Grahameeboy]

You are kidding me.....(damn, and i wasn't going to bite on that one, but it was too tempting!):bleh:

.

Actually no....if you think about it indicating is to let others know what you are doing i.e. if you want to turn left, right at a junction, change lanes, move away....but on a 270kph motorbike with twin headlights on the Coro the guy in the car is gonna know you will overtake.

[Usarka]

Actually no....if you think about it indicating is to let others know what you are doing i.e. if you want to turn left, right at a junction, change lanes, move away....but on a 270kph motorbike with twin headlights on the Coro the guy in the car is gonna know you will overtake.

What about the guy passing you? Or will that never ever happen?

[nallac]

what are these indimacators you talk about?.

is that what the other switcheythingamabob on the clutch sides for?.....

[gammaguy]

Actually no....if you think about it indicating is to let others know what you are doing i.e. if you want to turn left, right at a junction, change lanes, move away....but on a 270kph motorbike with twin headlights on the Coro the guy in the car is gonna know you will overtake.
and like they say-assumption is the mother of all ^%#* ups.if you second guess the brain of a car driver who may not even register you are there let alone what you are doing or are intending on doing,you are asking for trouble and you will often be the loser.:no:

by all means indicate your intentions,but be ready for the inevitable stupid manoeuvre on their part,like being "helpful"and moving over for you-and spraying you with gravel-yeah,real helpful<_<
defensive riding courses save lives.

[Grahameeboy]

What about the guy passing you? Or will that never ever happen?

You know those things mirrors......

[Grahameeboy]

and like they say-assumption is the mother of all ^%#* ups.if you second guess the brain of a car driver who may not even register you are there let alone what you are doing or are intending on doing,you are asking for trouble and you will often be the loser.:no:

by all means indicate your intentions,but be ready for the inevitable stupid manoeuvre on their part,like being "helpful"and moving over for you-and spraying you with gravel-yeah,real helpful<_<
defensive riding courses save lives.

Well it has worked for me...even if you indicate you have to rely on the guy seeing that....

[Ragingrob]

The point being that by indicating, it raises your chance of being seen even if only by a little.

A flashing light catches my eye a lot more easily than a still light. If I'm in the cage (or the bike) stuck on the motorway, it's the lane-splitters who are indicating that catch my eye in the mirror first, then the lane-splitters with headlights only, then last of all the lane-splitters with nothing shining. They kinda camouflage into the sea of metal and panels and do not jump out and grab my eye's attention.

[Usarka]

You know those things mirrors......

I ride with the understanding that i am fallible. I sometimes cock up - just like the thousands of car drivers who use their mirrors daily but still change lanes into a motorcyclists path..... And i like to mitigate my cockupability.

I almost got squashed by a campervan driver who used his mirrors then moved into the incoming lane to cut a corner. If he had indicated there would have been less fecal matter in my undies.

Add to that the in-out riding style of some bike riders, they could be behind the car behind you travelling at 190kph ready to pull out the moment after you check your mirrors.

I just reckon that anyone who thinks indicating doesn't apply to them has no right to complain when they encounter a driver who doesn't indicate in the same situation.......

:bleh:

[Grahameeboy]

I ride with the understanding that i am fallible. I sometimes cock up - just like the thousands of car drivers who use their mirrors daily but still change lanes into a motorcyclists path..... And i like to mitigate my cockupability.

I almost got squashed by a campervan driver who used his mirrors then moved into the incoming lane to cut a corner. If he had indicated there would have been less fecal matter in my undies.

Add to that the in-out riding style of some bike riders, they could be behind the car behind you travelling at 190kph ready to pull out the moment after you check your mirrors.

I just reckon that anyone who thinks indicating doesn't apply to them has no right to complain when they encounter a driver who doesn't indicate in the same situation.......

:bleh:


Read my post...I did not say that indicating does not apply to me...I just said when I think it is appropriate to use them which is most times...:2guns::sunny::love:

[bigfoot]

I find nothing grabs better attention than the headlight being flashed to highbeam and back off a couple of times. Prolly more noticeable than a little orange one. Oh and yeah, and not at nighttime, then your just a dick

[Badjelly]

On your second point... You're saying that when you overtake, as well as 100m clear visibility ahead of you, you have to somehow see down side roads 50m ahead?

This side road thing is a bit off topic, but, I guess the answer to your question depends on whether you want to stay alive. Whenever you overtake you should always be considering the possibility that someone might move onto the road from any side roads, driveways, picnic areas, whatever. People doing this should be looking out for vehicles that have crossed the centre line to overtake, but often they don't.

[swbarnett]

On your second point... You're saying that when you overtake, as well as 100m clear visibility ahead of you, you have to somehow see down side roads 50m ahead?
Yep. If you can't see down the side road you shouldn't be overtaking.

The road code talks about making sure that "there are no vehicles coming out of any side roads".

[Ragingrob]

Yep. If you can't see down the side road you shouldn't be overtaking.

The road code talks about making sure that "there are no vehicles coming out of any side roads".

So... You've never overtaken anyone ever before? Because I'm pretty sure you would've passed driveways and even sideroads, without being able to see if a car's about to come down the road and then pull out.

It's not very often that you CAN see down side roads 50m or more ahead is it?

[xgnr]

I always indicate when passing/turning.

Long standing habit, don't even notice that I do it TBH

It's a courtesy and safety issue as far as I am concerned.... but then again I'm a boring old fart that tends to give a shit.

Old fashioned attitude I guess. :bleh:

[swbarnett]

So... You've never overtaken anyone ever before? Because I'm pretty sure you would've passed driveways and even sideroads, without being able to see if a car's about to come down the road and then pull out.

It's not very often that you CAN see down side roads 50m or more ahead is it?
On the open road I don't pass if there's a side road I can't see down. There are plenty of stretches of road in NZ where this is not a problem. Either there are no side roads or you can see across a treeless paddock into them.

Round town where there are a lot of driveways I don't overtake when driving a cage (unless I have a lane to myself). If I'm on a bike it's not such a problem as the road's generally wide enough for a bike and two cars if the unthinkable happens (if it's not I just bide my time or lane-split when the traffic's slow enough).

[Moki]

Why do you need to indicate to overtake...??? I don't unless changing lanes...what is the point.

It's about being seen by others and letting others know what your intentions are.

[Grahameeboy]

It's about being seen by others and letting others know what your intentions are.

Mmmm...red bike, twin headlights...coming up behind fast on a country road...often cars just move over without need to indicate.

If you need indicators to work that one out?

[Puddlejumper]

One really good reason to indicate is to keep yourself safe from other bikers. I nearly got taken out on the motorway by a harley. Me, at about 117 km coming behind a car in right lane, He travelling slower than the traffic in the left lane, I saw there was a gap and thought I'd duck left and pass. Checked mirrors quickly, flicked indicator and began to move into left lane. As I did so I twisted head left ( never rely on mirrors fully) caught a flash of red and jerked back into my lane as a Harley or similar roared past aiming for the same gap but travelling at least 30 km faster than me. Missed me by a hair. Not sure how I missed him in the mirrors but I think he had been lane splitting at a v quick rate and had been immediately behind me where my mirrors have a blind spot.
Now, sure he was an idiot who was travelling at far too quick a rate but this was my fault, I had not given much indication of my intentions and had also made the fatal assumption that as I was travelling a little quicker than the line of cagers there wasn't anything to worry about behind me. This taught me to watch for other bikers and also to make my intentions more obvious with longer indication.
It also taught me when coming behind other bikers to give them even more room than a car as I don't think bikers in general are expecting other two wheelers.

[BMWST?]

I tend to indicate whether or not I think there's anyone around who's going to see. It drives Mrs Jelly mad. "What are you indicating for?" she says, "there's no-one to see you." "Yes dear," I say. But I indicate anyway. I think it's a good habit to get into.

In the case of overtaking, there obviously is someone who might see you do it: the driver of the vehicle you're overtaking. Perhaps you like to take people by surprise? I don't.

yes indicating a habit and a good one to get into....i alwyas always alwways indicate every manouvre in the car.....and the bmw bike switchgear is very very good in the overtaking mode...as you roll on the throttle the thumb automatically engages the right hand indicator....

[BMWST?]

I do after just about being taken out 3 times while overtaking.

Who's at fault? I presume the one turning left.

As for indicating before overtaking I do if I have time

you are at fault....you are on the wrong side of the road...

[sinned]

What reasons are there to indicate when passing?

Because the law says so
In case you didn't see someone coming up behind you

I can't think of any other sensible reason. In many cases there is no need to indicate but I do it anyway. Having read this thread and thought about it I realise I have just been in compliance mode. From now on unless the traffic situation demands it I won't bother. I can't believe that I have been indicating to come back in front of a car I have just past - what a bloody stupid thing to be doing :doh:


Why do you need to indicate to overtake...??? I don't unless changing lanes...what is the point. Agree - especially if a 2 second wind the wrist action to get past is all that is required.


By law, you must indicate 3 seconds before taking the action right? Well... within less than 3 seconds (most most most of the times, unless there is a big big big straight road) I miss my overtaking chance.... Just do it.


I generally indicate when pulling out but not when pulling back in. Thanks for the idea


I agree, I mean it's bloody obvious that you're going to go back into your own side of the road. Yep


Yep. If you can't see down the side road you shouldn't be overtaking. The road code talks about making sure that "there are no vehicles coming out of any side roads".
I thought you were not allowed to pass on intersections. I don't do this, even on the open road, as I thought it was not legal even if safe.

[swbarnett]

I thought you were not allowed to pass on intersections. I don't do this, even on the open road, as I thought it was not legal even if safe.

From the NZ Road Code (http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/passing.html):


Passing by crossing the centre line at an intersection

You can cross the centre line to pass another vehicle if you can see that:

* the way in front of you is clear, and
* there are no vehicles coming out of any side roads.

Be very careful that the vehicle you're passing isn't slowing down to turn right. The driver may have forgotten to indicate.

[Badjelly]

In many cases there is no need to indicate but I do it anyway. Having read this thread and thought about it I realise I have just been in compliance mode. From now on unless the traffic situation demands it I won't bother.

Well that's fine for someone like you, who can size up a traffic situation and see all the possibilities in advance, but I'm a mere, fallible mortal, so I'll keep doing it anyway.