So who the f**k am I supposed to vote for then?

[RantyDave]

None of them are inspiring in the slightest. All of them are arseholes. If just *ONE* of our esteemed political leaders gave the slightest impression of wanting to change New Zealand for the better rather than merely being in office and enjoying bossing people around - almost regardless of their actual policies - I'd vote for them. But no. Nooooooo. Like, look at these daft fuckers:

National - are Nazis (says he, performing a rare Godwin-on-first-post). On my one occasion of seeing John Key on the telly he said he wanted "army style boot camps" for troubled yoof. Right. Because people come out of the army with greater empathy. To add insult to injury it appears the one thing they were going to do that I was actually bothered about - ditching the Maori seats - is being backtracked spectacularly quickly. Arseholes.

Labour - have given us eight years of political correctness and have spent money like it's going out of fashion. Which, BTW, it is. They introduced section 92A of the copyright reform act - while actually physically screaming at members of Internet NZ who were attempting to point out how stupid it was. They've also run a spectacularly dirty campaign and so can get fucked. I have no respect for them at all any more. Fuckers.

Greens - I lost respect for when Jacqui Dean fell for the DHMO scare email. Then I got annoyed by their constant meddling in things other than the environment. And finally they threw their toys out the cot and decided there was no way, nonononono, not ever never would they work with National. FFS I'm a massive hippie and I can't consider voting for them. Twats.

Maori - want me to pay for their Christmas presents. Seriously. I stopped paying attention at this point.

Act - have Roger Douglas on their list. At number 3, no less. Also no statement on their website of why I should vote for them being perhaps the most spectacular marketing fail in recent memory. Rodney does have a nice jacket though and in the current climate this almost wins it. But not actually. Losers.

NZFirst - Don't let the door hit you on the arse, Winnie.

Kiwi - Have as their opening value proposition that they favour beating children. They also favour "fewer" abortions (you need children to beat, right) with parental consent for those under 18. Because pregnant teenage girls really want to tell their mums. Sure. Strangely they also wish to "Address the social consequences resulting from the Prostitution Reform Act" - whatever that actually means. They do, however, score points for "Address injustices occurring in our immigration service" because...

The New Zealand Pacific Party - Taito Philip Field's latest project is a quite wonderful instantiation of all that is pathetic in New Zealand politics. They win a special award for not even bothering to have a website - presumably Taito couldn't find someone who'd swap it for a visa.

Legalise Cannabis - are the current frontrunners. Seriously.

...and in fact the main thing that may cause ALCP to lose my vote would be if I voted National as a tactical vote against the Labour/Green/Maori nightmare that's going to be gleefully guiding our country down the shitter for the next three years. Or if I decide that I *really* like Rodney's jacket.

I *have* to vote, or I have no right to bitch for three years. Who the fuck am I supposed to vote for then?

Dave

[Chisanga]

The Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party seems like an inspired choice... I quite like asparagus.

[Ragingrob]

Bill and Ben are always good for a laugh at least... Main difference being is that you'll be laughing with them, not at them like you would the rest of the beehive.

[FJRider]

If you don't vote, you still have the right to bitch. Just as those on this site, that have never met you...maybe never will, can bitch about what a ...... you are/can be for saying/didn't say/should have said/did do/didn't do etc.
Its a free country... be sure to pay before you leave...last one out, please turn out the lights...if the powers still on...
The law states you must be on the electoral roll... voting is optional...
More of the same...or not... for any of the political parties...????

[James Deuce]

Party vote ALCP. It's the only way to go.

[Dargor]

You could vote republican (http://republicans.org.nz/), but they come across as people that wouldn't survive a day in the hive. Decent policys(even if on non-issues), but noobs.

[James Deuce]

You could vote republican (http://republicans.org.nz/), but they come across as people that wouldn't survive a day in the hive. Decent policys(even if on non-issues), but noobs.

A beard is political death.

[Mikkel]

Ah yes, the failure of democrazy - when people are well enough off not to give a shit and still not influential enough to actually be able to affect a change.

[Street Gerbil]

Well, I am sorely tempted to vote for Labour, just to give my fellow New Zealanders a little taste of Obama.

[rainman]

Who the fuck am I supposed to vote for then?

The least worst ones.

However much this might be a huge waste of time here on Redneck Central, I'm going to explain why that means that I'll be party voting Green on the weekend.

Labour are quite right about the trust issue - National are dodgy and ideologically driven, and should not be trusted. Although there are elements of what National normally might stand for that I could bring myself to support, they've played such an unconvincingly populist line through the campaign that no-one with an IQ in triple digits can believe they're going to behave substantially in line post-election with what they say pre-election. (Some of you might of course think this is a good thing - but I'm not that much of an elitist, sorry). If I'm wrong on this - then what's the difference to Labour?

Unfortunately, Labour has a particularly poor trust record themselves. They've done a passably good job of looking after things over the last while - as would, apart from some systemic biases, National - but as one or the other will be part of government no matter what, I can't bring myself to get particularly animated about either. (Having a LPG coalition might be a smidgin easier than Nat/Act/UF/MP?, but, meh).

Winston is entertaining in small doses but does nothing for us as a country, and despite being cleared technically of wrongdoing, clearly has an interesting sense of honesty. Anderton has some good ideas but is an extension of Labour. Dunne has fewer good ideas and is just too damn bland - he's so centrist that it seems unlikely that he has an opinion of his own. Act's another faith-based libertarian personality cult with a list of ludicrous policies. And they're environmentally hostile.

The Maori Party I share a fair number of values with, but I'm a feelthy immigrant so I don't really "get" them fully. Also Tariana is a liability, as are some of their other members (Greensill?). Sharples is sensible and cautious, the rest look like amateurs that blurt out ill-considered policy too regularly. They're a bit immature and lightweight, but worth watching.

I don't see the point of voting for a party or person that you know won't get in. Bye bye Bill and Ben, ALCP, RAM... etc. They should get over their points of difference with their nearest neighbour and kiss and make up. Or keep up the entertainment value and stop pretending to be serious. (Excluding B&B of course, I know they're not serious).

If my maths is right, that leaves the Greens. They are genuinely nice people, by and large, but often seem not to be playing the same game as everyone else. This leads to them being frequently misunderstood, or worse, actively misrepresented. They follow consensus-based decision processes among a group with widely divergent approaches and views (not a small feat, you try it), are actually quite pragmatic (often decried as being partisan lapdogs when supporting least-worst legislation options like the EFA), and are, frequently to their detriment, generally bloody honest. Yes they are sometimes idealists, but fuck it, someone has to be.

They tend towards bravery in making unpopular decisions, or bringing unpopular messages, and I kinda like that. S59 was almost electoral suicide - but they pushed the issue not because they are control freaks who get off on telling you what to do, but because they genuinely believed it to be a means of delivering better outcomes for battered kids. I don't know if they anticipated the fallout that has resulted or simply did not factor it into the decision as irrelevant. They aren't about being popular - they're about doing what's right (even sometimes, when it actually isn't). They are among a small set prepared to face up to the discussion regarding climate change/oil depletion with minimal ideology.

Yes they have a social agenda, not just environmental - partly because Labour is dropping the ball there, and partly because proper environmental policy requires joined-up thinking, and has progressed a long way from "save the whales". Many of the world's environmental problems are caused or affected by social issues. Yes the Greens are ideologically more socialist than hardcore capitalist, in general - although a surprising variation exists among Greens I've met - but to call them watermelons is just too simplistic.

I would not want the Greens (in their current incarnation) to be running the country - as in being the major party in a coalition - simply because I don't think they would survive. And they'd do a shitty job, probably. But I would want them to have a strong influence - sometimes idealistic, sometimes even misguided - on what the rest of the muppets are up to. To be a principled voice, preferably right alongside the group with a bit of clout, but even in the background would be better than f-all.

This is because to take a long term view, to think about what is good for us and our kids/grandkids, and the others we share this planet with, requires the ability to step back from the short term soundbites that the analysts say will resonate with whichever target segment of voters is in favour that week, to avoid the endless lolly scrambles, the nasty attack politics, the short-term pursuit of economic gain.. and to work on building real wealth and sustainable well-being for all of us, and for those yet to come. If they don't do it, who will?

[Fatt Max]

I reckon now is the time to form the biker party. A few policies suggested would be...

1. Free pies on a Monday
2. Free pies Tuesday - Thursday
3. Free pies on a Friday
4. Free pie weekends evey week
5. Free beer to everyone over 100KG
6. Free beer to everyone under 100KG
7. ....and a free pie with the free beer
8. 18-20 year olds in souped up Subaru's with baseball caps worn backwards are to have the words "Bell End" tattoed on their heads
9. Tax relief for all breweries, bakeries and pole dancers
10. Did I mention free pies.

Now, I would vote for them and no mistake.....

[ckai]

Phew, lucky I'm over 20 and don't wear baseball caps anymore.

It seems a majority of poeple I talk to say there is no one to vote for. But everyone of those people say the have to vote. What would happen if all those people didn't vote and they get a very dismal turn out at the polls? Would politicians go, "shit there's something wrong there", and do something about it? Or will they show their true colours, just be happy they get to sit on a cushy green seat, and not give a toss about the low turn out?

I reckon the latar. Even though the media itself is saying what bullshit campaigns everyone is running and everyone is as bad as each other.


The least worst ones.

It's pretty sad when this is so true.

[jrandom]

the main thing that may cause ALCP to lose my vote would be if I voted National as a tactical vote against the Labour/Green/Maori nightmare

However, if the impossible happened and the ALCP did get 5% of the party vote, I have no doubt that they would be quite prepared to save the country from Auntie Helen by going into a center-right coalition.

And if National's prepared to abandon its idea of abolishing the Maori seats if that's required to gain power, then I have no doubt that it would also be happy to enact cannabis law reform for the same reason.

Roll the dice and dare to dream...

Tick the leaf (http://www.alcp.org.nz/) in 2008, folks!

[Crisis management]

I'd have to agree with Dave & Rainman, if I was just voting for policy & people I would vote green but unfortunately (IMHO) you need to vote for or against a "government" and that means Labour or National.
I don't mind National (that hurt to say!) but couldn't stand Act being there with them so thats them gone, only leaving Labour who have hardly been a beacon of hope and trustworthy practice either.

At the end of the day, the major issue I perceive is the economic environment and I would rather see the lefty's dealing with it than a bunch of capitalists, seeing as they are the root cause of the meltdown....looks like it's labour again.

Good luck making your decisions, I can't change my mind now......I already voted :banana:

[jrandom]

At the end of the day, the major issue I perceive is the economic environment and I would rather see the lefty's dealing with it than a bunch of capitalists, seeing as they are the root cause of the meltdown....looks like it's labour again.

Y'know, I'd be taking the same approach, if it weren't for Labour's systematic destruction of their own credibility with the likes of the Electoral Finance Act.

Their arrogance toward the electorate and repression of personal freedoms and civil rights has done and will do far more harm than the 'capitalism' (which would barely be recognised as such in the likes of the USA) of the National Party.

[Fatt Max]

Phew, lucky I'm over 20 and don't wear baseball caps anymore.

It seems a majority of poeple I talk to say there is no one to vote for. But everyone of those people say the have to vote. What would happen if all those people didn't vote and they get a very dismal turn out at the polls? Would politicians go, "shit there's something wrong there", and do something about it? Or will they show their true colours, just be happy they get to sit on a cushy green seat, and not give a toss about the low turn out?

I reckon the latar. Even though the media itself is saying what bullshit campaigns everyone is running and everyone is as bad as each other.



It's pretty sad when this is so true.


Well said mate, good point...!!

[Crisis management]

Their arrogance toward the electorate and repression of personal freedoms and civil rights has done and will do far more harm than the 'capitalism' (which would barely be recognised as such in the likes of the USA) of the National Party.

Again I agree, (bugger, I'm agreeing with every wacko today...) it's Act that concerns me with their hand up Keys bum.

It really feels like a game of chance trying to pick the lesser of two evils.

[sunhuntin]

im not liking any of the pollys either. they are all damn scary when you think about having them in charge. none of them are trustworthy.

[s_devo]

I'm going Green because...

They want more people on bikes.

They have the best adverts in this election - even Rodney Hide (Mr I'm going to protect people's property's rights and let's lock them all up for life) had to steal the Green's advertising as they are doing better than his yellow swandrai .

They brought in an amendment to s59(c) of the Crimes Act giving children "the same rights as animals". Because the courts had decided that it was ok to beat your child with a plank of 4x2 but not with a fishing rod. (Please note that 'smacking' was not mentioned anywhere in the amendment - and never has been. That was purely a creation of the media to up their ratings and sell more advertising - and you were all sucked into it).

My cousin's on the list at no. 40 - and he's going to need a shit lot of votes if he's going to get the job.

Sue Bradford's one of my heroes because when she was 1st elected to parliament they had to remove a trespass and restraining order so that she could take her seat in the house - now that's the kind of determined people we want in parliament! Willing to get arrested to create some change in this country.

Jeanette's the most trusted politician in NZ.

Al Gore's film was pretty convincing.

Besides I don't want to see Kiwi bank or kiwi rail go - the nat's will sell it off to their mates and make a mint when they onsell them to overseas interests - they've already got the buyers lined up. I'm old enough to remember them selling off the BNZ for 4 billion when it was making 2 billion a year. Unfortunately it was a bit too hot with what Winston had lined up in his wine box. Of course they're not going to do it now but soon.

Exercise your right to choose what's right for you.

[Clockwork]

Y'know, I'd be taking the same approach, if it weren't for Labour's systematic destruction of their own credibility with the likes of the Electoral Finance Act.

Their arrogance toward the electorate and repression of personal freedoms and civil rights has done and will do far more harm than the 'capitalism' (which would barely be recognised as such in the likes of the USA) of the National Party.

IMHO the EFA was a perfectly reasonable if hamfisted attempt to ensure our democracy isn't bought (buy <_<) the highest bidder.

One man, one vote, over one dollar one vote every time :headbang:

[James Deuce]

I'm going Green because...

Jeanette's the most trusted politician in NZ.

Al Gore's film was pretty convincing.


Fuck me, you poor bastard.

[RantyDave]

I don't see the point of voting for a party or person that you know won't get in.
Because they get an uptick. Because if ALCP's share of the vote goes from 0.001% to 0.01% then that's a very serious improvement in the visibility of the cause. The Green party was a funny concept once, too.

Dave

[short-circuit]

Fuck me, you poor bastard.

Yes that's right Fuck you

(may as well get red repped right the fuck out of redneck rider forums) :whocares:

So so tiresome

[James Deuce]

Ah yes, sympathising with people for being sucked in by unsubstantiated pseudo-science is an unforgivable crime these days.

Sorry, my bad, I forgot.

[short-circuit]

No, but being a knowing sympathiser for real (big money corporate) cronyism, failed ideology and outright greed should be worth at least a good kicking in my book.

Someone put me out of my misery and ban me.

[Tank]

I see on STUFF that the unemployment figures have gone up to 4.2%.

Helen has said vote for me - I can make it 5% within 6 months.

[Max Preload]

No, but being a knowing sympathiser for real (big money corporate) cronyism, failed ideology and outright greed should be worth at least a good kicking in book.

You mean like Al Gore and his company Generational Wealth Investment? And Enron's Kyoto Protocol? I'll say! :Offtopic:

[Tank]

You mean like Al Gore and his company Generational Wealth Investment? And Enron's Kyoto Protocol? I'll say! :Offtopic:

Is that the same Al Gore who uses more electricity at his home than a normal american family uses in nearly two years?

....

Last night, Al Gore’s global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh—guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore’s average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore’s energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore’s extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore’s mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

“As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use,” said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.”

[Mikkel]

Well, if you believe in the democratic system but don't feel that any of the parties are able to represent you, then you ought to turn up and hand in a blank vote (or cross everything off if you are the paranoid sort).
Alternatively, if you have something you feel strongly about and would like to make a difference, enter politics.

Personally I have very little faith in democrazy in its current form and have not voted for quite a few years. Thankfully not everybody are as cynical as me, but I just can not be bothered. Nothing like election campaigns to send my bullshit-o-meter past the red-line.

[Badjelly]

Is that the same Al Gore who uses more electricity at his home than a normal american family uses in nearly two years?
And he's fat. So obviously global warming isn't caused by humans. I mean they have global warming on Mars. Is that caused by SUVs? And the scientists said in the 1970s that it would cool. It's all the sun, I tell you. Or cosmic rays.

[The Stranger]

ACT.

You remove a persons responsibility they act irresponsibly.

Personal responsibility is in short supply, not only in parliament but in society, in part because of the example set by politicians (put there by us, again, we get what we deserve) but because successive governments have taken your responsibility away from you.
One of the principals of ACT is of self determination and personal responsibility.

I know this wont suit everyone, but I can think for myself, so I don't want herr klarke or key telling me what is best for me, I can handle that one on my own.

[vifferman]

You remove a persons responsibility they act irresponsibly.

Personal responsibility is in short supply, not only in parliament but in society, in part because of the example set by politicians (put there by us, again, we get what we deserve) but because successive governments have taken your responsibility away from you.
Word!
Preach it, Brother!
We have too many laws, rules and regulations, and too little personal responsibility and accountability.

[alanzs]

Everything turned to custard when they put those child proof caps on medicines and cleaning products. Used to be the stupid children/people took said products and died. Not anymore, now they get to reproduce...

[Max Preload]

Everything turned to custard when they put those child proof caps on medicines and cleaning products. Used to be the stupid children/people took said products and died. Not anymore, now they get to reproduce...

Don't forget plugging powerpoints so the little darlings couldn't put the fork in & cupboard door child-proof latches.

[alanzs]

Don't forget plugging powerpoints so the little darlings couldn't put the fork in & cupboard door child-proof latches.

I will add that to the list. :rockon:

[thehollowmen]

I hear you.
I'm wondering if pooping on my voting paper is a count of no confidence.

[Badjelly]

Everything turned to custard when they put those child proof caps on medicines and cleaning products. Used to be the stupid children/people took said products and died. Not anymore, now they get to reproduce...

For a moment I wondered if you were joking. But actually I don't care.

[Badjelly]

I've voted Labour the last few elections, but this time I'm going to vote for the party that makes the rednecks on KB the angriest. So who is it, people: Labour or Green?

Don't bother saying NZ First. I do have my limits.

[alanzs]

For a moment I wondered if you were joking. But actually I don't care.

Me, joke about something so serious? :niceone:

[alanzs]

I've voted Labour the last few elections, but this time I'm going to vote for the party that makes the rednecks on KB the angriest. So who is it, people: Labour or Green?

Don't bother saying NZ First. I do have my limits.

Piss 'em all off big time, vote Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party. :2thumbsup

[Fatt Max]

So....no one fancies the Biker Party then?

[Coyote]

Meh, all I want is to see some tits quite frankly.

[The Stranger]

So....no one fancies the Biker Party then?

There's one on Saturday night at my place. All KBers welcome.

[Coyote]

So....no one fancies the Biker Party then?
It'd be a bit like the Maori party. You've set yourself to only having a minority voting for you.

Though if you're serious about the pies it could attract more votes. I think youre onto something 'big'.

[Manxman]

im not liking any of the pollys either. they are all damn scary when you think about having them in charge. none of them are trustworthy.

Agree. Unbelievably, no politician has to undertake formal training, or qualification to become one. Yet they lead the country...

Labour have run the worst possible campaign by playing the man, not the ball, and pinning their hopes on "Trust". I mean, what the...

My hero, Billy Connolly once said (something like): anyone who states they want to be a politician should be automatically excluded from being one.

BTW, in terms of common sense (my mantra), Rodney Hide is the only pollo that I've seen that actually talks any. That's not say I'm voting for him. All of the others (yes, including the Greens, who are oft portrayed as principled, but who in reality would screw us all in an instant if they had any modicum of power - just look at s59) are so busy trying not to put their foot in it, that they wouldn't know what common sense looked like if it walked up and slapped them between the eyes.

[Hitcher]

Voters have two real choices this election: change the government or vote for a police state, I mean for the status quo.

If you're serious about changing the government, vote for your National electorate candidate and tick National for the party vote, unless you live in Epsom, when you should vote for Rodney Hide and tick National for your party vote.

To keep the status quo and/or ensure that the roman sandal brigade continues to give voice to pseudo-science and other flat earth matters, vote for anything other than the option described above to change the government.

The only way you will get any sort of meaningful change is to change the government.

[Fatt Max]

Meh, all I want is to see some tits quite frankly.

Have a look at NZ First or United Future party candidates. I've never seen so many tits in my life...!!!

[jrandom]

Voters have two real choices this election: change the government or vote for a police state, I mean for the status quo.

If you're serious about changing the government, vote for your National electorate candidate and tick National for the party vote, unless you live in Epsom, when you should vote for Rodney Hide and tick National for your party vote.

To keep the status quo and/or ensure that the roman sandal brigade continues to give voice to pseudo-science and other flat earth matters, vote for anything other than the option described above to change the government.

The only way you will get any sort of meaningful change is to change the government.

With the sole caveat of my pet single-issue project party, I cannot but fully endorse Hitcher's words.

Take heed, folks.

And if you don't know what people are talking about when they say that Labour is eroding your freedom, do some goddamn research before it's too late.

[dipshit]

Voters have two real choices this election: change the government or vote for a police state, I mean for the status quo.

If you're serious about changing the government, vote for your National

People were saying this several years ago when National were in power. (except it was vote Labour for a real change)

to-and-fro to-and-fro decade after decade like a pack of lemmings. :weird:

[The Pastor]

all you auckland dicks should come to the election party it will be fun

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=81475

[Hitcher]

People were saying this several years ago when National were in power. (except it was vote Labour for a real change)

to-and-fro to-and-fro decade after decade like a pack of lemmings.

It's a natural cycle. After a period in office, governments get stale, complacent and lazy. They have generally prosecuted their agenda of change after a couple of terms in office, and start looking for barking mad nonsense to occupy themselves. Usually voters put the poor sad fuckers out of their misery, which is what should happen on Saturday. Whether it will or not depends on whether this government's strategy of turning as many people as possible into state beneficiaries and suppressing freedom of expression translates to the ballot box.

[rainman]

...the Greens, who are oft portrayed as principled, but who in reality would screw us all in an instant if they had any modicum of power - just look at s59...

I'd be genuinely interested to understand what makes you say the Greens advanced the s59 malarkey to "screw us", rather than out of a misguided and idealistic but genuine sense of "won't someone think of the children". Which is, somewhat sadly, closer to the truth.


Voters have two real choices this election: change the government or vote for a police state, I mean for the status quo.

Oh FFS Hitcher, isn't that a bit hysterical for you? I've lived in something fecking close to a police state, and trust me, this is nothing like it. I take it you have not travelled much.


The only way you will get any sort of meaningful change is to change the government.

Duh. But will it be any better, is the 64 million dollar question. If National was a meaningful alternative and not "me-too-only-better-have-some-lollies" I would be first in the queue to vote for them. Problem is they're trapped in an ideological timewarp and lack the testicular fortitude to dare have a vision for today's world. Conservatives are seldom any use in challenging times. Seen those NZCTU ads on youtube? Silly lefty satire to be sure, but there's more than a grain of truth in them.


Have a look at NZ First or United Future party candidates. I've never seen so many tits in my life...!!!

Pure comedy gold. Bling on it's way!

[rainman]

Bling on it's way!

Damn. Apparently I've blinged you too much already.

[rodimus]

Vote National, SImply to have the most effective vote against the communist Labour party.

and National are not back tracking on abolishing the Maori seats.

[MisterD]

Oh FFS Hitcher, isn't that a bit hysterical for you? I've lived in something fecking close to a police state, and trust me, this is nothing like it. I take it you have not travelled much.

Er no, I don't believe he is being hysterical. Just look at the UK, who's Liarbour party is the source of any idea our lot ever had...now joint 1st place as the most surveilled country in the world with China, Russia and Malaysia, and that's before the national ID cards are implemented.

You have been warned.

[rainman]

Er no, I don't believe he is being hysterical. Just look at the UK, who's Liarbour party is the source of any idea our lot ever had...now joint 1st place as the most surveilled country in the world with China, Russia and Malaysia, and that's before the national ID cards are implemented.

You have been warned.

Hey, I don't think that relenteless surveillance of the populace is a good thing, by any means, and if I were in the UK I'd be making a lot of noise about it. We do have a fair few street cameras here too, of course, but this isn't what we're talking about.

In NZ:

I can vote for who I want (constrained by the paucity of options on offer, of course, but still)
I can promote political groups and ideas without any meaningful hindrance
I can start a political party representing almost any viewpoint
We have a functioning legal system
The press are fecking hopeless but still independent of government
People aren't "disappeared" and killed by the police or government
There is little or no police torture
You can not be detained indefinitely without trial
There are no curfews, no passes, no significant restrictions on travel
The worst that will happen for speaking your mind freely is that someone will smack you one
There is no state compulsion to serve in an oppressive military
I can start a business, own property, trade with who I like
No-one is forcibly resettled in the middle of the night
I can satrise the government
The police are held to account for their misdeeds
We have freedom of association, freedom of religion, freedom of marriage, freedom of movement, freedom of just about bloody everything


I have lived in a place where none of those things were true. Friends of mine died because of those things. And when I hear you fucking spoiled whiney-brats whingeing about the "NZ police state" and the "evil communists" in Wellington it honestly makes me sick to my stomach.

Get out into the fucking real world and grow up, the lot of you. You don't know how good you have it. :angry2:

[MisterD]

Hey, I don't think that relenteless surveillance of the populace is a good thing, by any means, and if I were in the UK I'd be making a lot of noise about it. We do have a fair few street cameras here too, of course, but this isn't what we're talking about.

In NZ:

I can vote for who I want (constrained by the paucity of options on offer, of course, but still)
I can promote political groups and ideas without any meaningful hindrance
I can start a political party representing almost any viewpoint
We have a functioning legal system
The press are fecking hopeless but still independent of government
People aren't "disappeared" and killed by the police or government
There is little or no police torture
You can not be detained indefinitely without trial
There are no curfews, no passes, no significant restrictions on travel
The worst that will happen for speaking your mind freely is that someone will smack you one
There is no state compulsion to serve in an oppressive military
I can start a business, own property, trade with who I like
No-one is forcibly resettled in the middle of the night
I can satrise the government
The police are held to account for their misdeeds
We have freedom of association, freedom of religion, freedom of marriage, freedom of movement, freedom of just about bloody everything


I have lived in a place where none of those things were true. Friends of mine died because of those things. And when I hear you fucking spoiled whiney-brats whingeing about the "NZ police state" and the "evil communists" in Wellington it honestly makes me sick to my stomach.

Get out into the fucking real world and grow up, the lot of you. You don't know how good you have it. :angry2:

All are fair enough comments - but you know what they say about boiling frogs don't you?

We already have:
Massive politicisation of the upper echelons of the Police,
An independent public service is a thing of the past.
The EFA has "chilled" political speech in election year - and hey you have to register so the government knows who is criticising it.

Looking to the UK as our future:
They are trying to regulate free speech by bloggers,
ID cards are coming.
You can be arrested for protesting without a permit from the police.

Seriously, look at where we are going, appreciate your rights and defend them.

[James Deuce]

Get out into the fucking real world and grow up, the lot of you. You don't know how good you have it. :angry2:

Wind your head in.

Just because it isn't as bad somewhere doesn't mean we let them get away with incremental change until it is just as bad Chile in the 70s.

Some of us do know how good we have and are commited to maintaining those standards, not giving in to the lowest common denominator until it's too late to fix it.

That argument was pathetic. If you truly understood the implications of what you claim to have witnessed you'd understand how important it is make sure a complacent populace doesn't fall victim to politiical agendas that limit personal freedoms, and you'd be providing a moderate supporting stance and calm counterpoint to the reactionaries.

[Manxman]

Wind your head in.

Just because it isn't as bad somewhere doesn't mean we let them get away with incremental change until it is just as bad Chile in the 70s.

Some of us do know how good we have and are commited to maintaining those standards, not giving in to the lowest common denominator until it's too late to fix it.

That argument was pathetic. If you truly understood the implications of what you claim to have witnessed you'd understand how important it is make sure a complacent populace doesn't fall victim to politiical agendas that limit personal freedoms, and you'd be providing a moderate supporting stance and calm counterpoint to the reactionaries.

Damn right.

The above statement sums it up perfectly.

[Manxman]

I'd be genuinely interested to understand what makes you say the Greens advanced the s59 malarkey to "screw us", rather than out of a misguided and idealistic but genuine sense of "won't someone think of the children". Which is, somewhat sadly, closer to the truth.

Ok, here you go. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=85049. S59 is in there somewhere and is but one example of how the Greens would "screw us".:whistle:

Don't expect you to be persuaded, but hopefully your genuine interest is satisfied.

What I'd be genuinely interested in, is some stats on whether s59 has reduced the incidence of child abuse in NZ since its introduction. If this is an example of how they think they can meaningfully reduce it and is the best they can come up with, then - yup - we really are screwed.

[Badjelly]

If you truly understood the implications of what you claim to have witnessed you'd understand how important it is make sure a complacent populace doesn't fall victim to politiical agendas that limit personal freedoms, and you'd be providing a moderate supporting stance and calm counterpoint to the reactionaries.

James Deuce making sense! Whatever next?

Edit: though "moderate" and "calm" are strange words to see in one of his posts.

[Hitcher]

Oh FFS Hitcher, isn't that a bit hysterical for you? I've lived in something fecking close to a police state, and trust me, this is nothing like it. I take it you have not travelled much.

You've got me bang to rights. Never been anywhere, completely unqualified to comment on international affairs. I bow to your clearly superior knowledge and world view.


Duh. But will it be any better, is the 64 million dollar question. If National was a meaningful alternative and not "me-too-only-better-have-some-lollies" I would be first in the queue to vote for them.

If you re-read what I said, you'll see that what I said was the only way there will be meaningful change is with a change of government. Nowhere did I say if things would be "better" or not. Such a perspective is clearly subjective and, as noted above, my opinions are insubstantial and weak compared to your more superior and learned ones. Forgive me.

[Tank]

Another thing to remember - is that the Labour NEED the Greens A LOT. If Labour end up in power expect a HUGE number of Green people getting the top jobs.

If the 5 headed monster that Labour could possibly cobble together comes alive it will be the most left wing government we have ever had.

I believe it will be too far too the left - even for lefties. In this instance a National lead g'ment will be more in line with the leanings of a lot of existing Labour voters.

Unfortunately a lot of their base support don't read and understand this and vote RED because it saves their dole.

[Badjelly]

Labour have run the worst possible campaign by playing the man, not the ball, and pinning their hopes on "Trust". I mean, what the...

Labour have, for the most part, done what they said they would.

Do you think National will?

[Manxman]

Labour have, for the most part, done what they said they would.

...that's half the problem...;)

[Manxman]

Do you think National will?

I hope so.

[Badjelly]

Labour have, for the most part, done what they said they would.


...that's half the problem...;)

You can certainly disagree with what Labour have done, but I find it strange that people who supported them 1 or 2 elections back now hate them so vehemently--my brother-in-law, for instance.

[Manxman]

You can certainly disagree with what Labour have done, but I find it strange that people who supported them 1 or 2 elections back now hate them so vehemently--my brother-in-law, for instance.

Yep, can't disagree with that. It's called the nine year itch.

After a certain amount of time, the incumbent becomes arrogant and complacent, mis-reading the populace and losing sight of why they were elected in the first place.

Viz Michael Cullen's complete arrogance and condescension toward anyone who holds dissimilar views to his (and possibly the main reason why we haven't seen him this campaign).

Viz Helen Clark's first two head-to-head debates with John Key. Dismissive and arrogant. She's a slow learner and only softened up (significantly) in the last one this week. Err, Helen, we've got news for ya - it's waaaay to late.

Overtaxing for too long.
Overbureaucracy.
Nanny state (listening to complete bollox like Sue Bradford).

Oh, and not following through on some significant referendums, like tougher sentencing, fewer MPs, etc. Then she has the balls to talk about trust. I rest my case, m'lud.

PS, what about flip-flops? Domain of the National Party?? I don't think so. Not many people noticed that, two weeks ago, Helen Clark stated that the Maori seats were not to be entrenched (ie actually agreeing with National).

Suddenly, with one week of the campaign left, and obviously slow to realise the politically suicidal gaff she had made (but fortunately few media had picked up on, cos they were focussing on Key saying exactly the same) she changes her mind completely. U turn. 180 degrees...and states that they should be.

Labour are tired, have run out of good ideas, have taken the pish out of voters (shall we give them a tax break, shan't we? Yes, we will, but only when we're absolutely on our uppers [then National go and trump it anyway]).

Nah. Hell will freeze over before I vote Labour tomorrow.

[short-circuit]

Voters have two real choices this election: change the government or vote for a police state, I mean for the status quo.

If you're serious about changing the government, vote for your National electorate candidate and tick National for the party vote, unless you live in Epsom, when you should vote for Rodney Hide and tick National for your party vote.

To keep the status quo and/or ensure that the roman sandal brigade continues to give voice to pseudo-science and other flat earth matters, vote for anything other than the option described above to change the government.

The only way you will get any sort of meaningful change is to change the government.


Was your profile name supposed to be HitLer or HitCher?
You'd all for a "Change" to police state surely?

The reason we've had a three term governement is because of that damage done by your lot based on their "flat earth" thinking and failed ideology...3 steps forward, 4 steps back.

[Manxman]

Unfortunately a lot of their base support don't read and understand this and vote RED because it saves their dole.

Dead right. Labour has an acutely amazing knack of targeting their audience and keeping them sweet, whilst actually not doing them any favours in the long run, by actively encouraging them to go do something productive with their lives.

Case in point: look at that bus driver from Tauranga (voted the best in Australasia), who has no legs below the knee, no education, but still got off his chuff, went to tec and got a job driving buses. Positive attitude, no 'poor me' mentality.

An inspiration & top bloke.

[short-circuit]

People were saying this several years ago when National were in power. (except it was vote Labour for a real change)

to-and-fro to-and-fro decade after decade like a pack of lemmings. :weird:

Too true - I remember feeling physically sick listening to the hypocracy of Nanny Shipley and her fundamentalist moralising in the 90's (whilst slashing benefits, social services and wages). Wonder what effect these "changes" had on "crime" and the "economy"

[short-circuit]

all you auckland dicks should come to the election party it will be fun

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=81475

Why - so I could spend the night in the cooler?

[Manxman]

Too true - I remember feeling physically sick listening to the hypocracy of Nanny Shipley and her fundamentalist moralising in the 90's (whilst slashing benefits, social services and wages). Wonder what effect these "changes" had on "crime" and the "economy"

At least she had morals. Citizen Clark doesn't know whether she's martha or artha, which is considerably more worrying.

BTW her daughter was surprisingly tidy (had to get that in...:lol:)

Welcome back III. Missed your musings.

[short-circuit]

Er no, I don't believe he is being hysterical. Just look at the UK, who's Liarbour party is the source of any idea our lot ever had...now joint 1st place as the most surveilled country in the world with China, Russia and Malaysia, and that's before the national ID cards are implemented.

You have been warned.


Take a look at what happened during the Thatcher years if you want to acknowledge the real reason for that fool...

[short-circuit]

All are fair enough comments - but you know what they say about boiling frogs don't you?

We already have:
Massive politicisation of the upper echelons of the Police,
An independent public service is a thing of the past.
The EFA has "chilled" political speech in election year - and hey you have to register so the government knows who is criticising it.

Looking to the UK as our future:
They are trying to regulate free speech by bloggers,
ID cards are coming.
You can be arrested for protesting without a permit from the police.

Seriously, look at where we are going, appreciate your rights and defend them.


Yes quite right! The UK and even more so, the US are great examples of how right wing agendas work tirelessly to erode citizen's rights

[rainman]

Ok, here you go. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=85049. S59 is in there somewhere and is but one example of how the Greens would "screw us".:whistle:

Don't expect you to be persuaded, but hopefully your genuine interest is satisfied.

Didn't answer the question though. Which was - why do you assume the party has malicious intentions (to "screw us") rather than being well-meaning, and in the case of S59, somewhat idealistic?


What I'd be genuinely interested in, is some stats on whether s59 has reduced the incidence of child abuse in NZ since its introduction.

I really doubt it has, and I don't (and didn't) support the Greens pushing this as an issue as I anticipated the obviously predictable fallout that has resulted. It has become a far bigger dividing issue than it needed to be. In practical terms it doesn't restrict my activities as a parent in any meaningful way, and as you assert, probably hasn't fixed the underpinning problem either. Well-meant but ineffectual, like a lot of legislation. But I don't for a minute believe that Sue Bradford or anyone else in the party set out to "screw us" but picking this as an issue to drive, and I'd suggest that to assert this as true is just the usual mouth-breathing reflexive Greenie-hating.

[rainman]

I bow to your clearly superior knowledge and world view.

My apologies, I am a bit pissy today.

You could of course debate the point?

[Manxman]

Yes quite right! The UK and even more so, the US are great examples of how right wing agendas work tirelessly to erode citizen's rights

Too far right you get corporate control (viz USA under Bush). Too far left you get state control (too many examples to mention).

Balance is the answer. In 2008, NZ will (hopefully) vote to re-balance.

[MisterD]

Oi, WTF happened to my ignore list?

http://www.cosycritters.com/shop/images/177000.jpg

http://johnansell.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/act-banners-greens-arent.jpg?w=470&h=235

Oh, and just to comply with the anti-free speech legislation:

Authorised as demanded by Labour’s, NZ First’s and the Greens’ outrageous assault on free speech by Nick Kearney, 37 Beach Haven Road, Auckland.

[short-circuit]

Some of us do know how good we have and are commited to maintaining those standards, not giving in to the lowest common denominator until it's too late to fix it.

That argument was pathetic. If you truly understood the implications of what you claim to have witnessed you'd understand how important it is make sure a complacent populace doesn't fall victim to politiical agendas that limit personal freedoms, and you'd be providing a moderate supporting stance and calm counterpoint to the reactionaries.

Spot on! But...it's your lot with the "agenda". Ssssh - best policy is not to discuss policy

[MisterD]

Spot on! But...it's your lot with the "agenda". Ssssh - best policy is not to discuss policy

No, let's discuss Green Party policy shall we: Liberty Scott (http://libertyscott.blogspot.com/2008/10/greens-share-national-front-perspective.html)

[Manxman]

Didn't answer the question though. Which was - why do you assume the party has malicious intentions (to "screw us") rather than being well-meaning, and in the case of S59, somewhat idealistic?



I really doubt it has, and I don't (and didn't) support the Greens pushing this as an issue as I anticipated the obviously predictable fallout that has resulted. It has become a far bigger dividing issue than it needed to be. In practical terms it doesn't restrict my activities as a parent in any meaningful way, and as you assert, probably hasn't fixed the underpinning problem either. Well-meant but ineffectual, like a lot of legislation. But I don't for a minute believe that Sue Bradford or anyone else in the party set out to "screw us" but picking this as an issue to drive, and I'd suggest that to assert this as true is just the usual mouth-breathing reflexive Greenie-hating.

Who said that the 'screwing' was, or is malicious intent? Not me.

Screwing, whether to exert more extremely poorly thought out state control over the population, or some financial burden or other control, is screwing nonetheless. It's not my main issue (by any stretch), just the one I cited.

Mouth-breathing Greenie-hating...:2thumbsup Nice one, but nope I'm not one in case you were wondering. Just an average joe, pissed about the issues they manage to get through, whilst in no way addressing the problem.

Anyway, what's wrong with mouth breathing greenie haters? Mmmm?;)

[short-circuit]

Another thing to remember - is that the Labour NEED the Greens A LOT. If Labour end up in power expect a HUGE number of Green people getting the top jobs.

If the 5 headed monster that Labour could possibly cobble together comes alive it will be the most left wing government we have ever had.

I believe it will be too far too the left - even for lefties. In this instance a National lead g'ment will be more in line with the leanings of a lot of existing Labour voters.

Unfortunately a lot of their base support don't read and understand this and vote RED because it saves their dole.


Wrong! (or misguided on so may levels). The greens are cannibalising Labour's vote because they are a centre right party - like National and always have been.

The Greens are the only party left of centre. Nowhere near left enough.

And though the media hasn't made much of it, National desparately needs Act (Rodney in Epsom). Not only for numbers but also to have any point of difference between them and Labour

[short-circuit]

No, let's discuss Green Party policy shall we: Liberty Scott (http://libertyscott.blogspot.com/2008/10/greens-share-national-front-perspective.html)

Propagandaist's are working hard I see Deputy Hess.

[rainman]

...incremental change until it is just as bad Chile in the 70s.

That is a very long way to go...

I don't see any evidence we're on the path to a police state, and trust me, I'd be front of the protest line if my core freedoms were being compromised, particularly if there was an ever worsening trend as is so often claimed. The fact is they are not. I can do all of the things I mentioned in my earlier post, and no party has policies or philosophies that majorly threaten these.


...what you claim to have witnessed...

I'm sorry, but the only appropriate response to that is "fuck you".

[Hitcher]

Was your profile name supposed to be HitLer or HitCher?

Gosh, I've never heard that one before! I think my head must have fallen off!

Godwin's Law has been triggered. It's time to stop any further discussion.

[MisterD]

Propagandaist's are working hard I see Deputy Hess.

Propaganda, riiight. Who was it complaining about perjoratives being used in place of argument? That link was to a rational critique of the Green agriculture "policy" by, in case you hadn't noticed, a Libertarian....I'm an Act voter, economically conservative, socially liberal but then you don't actually understand any of this politics stuff do you?

[short-circuit]

Propaganda, riiight. Who was it complaining about perjoratives being used in place of argument? That link was to a rational critique of the Green agriculture "policy" by, in case you hadn't noticed, a Libertarian....I'm an Act voter, economically conservative, socially liberal but then you don't actually understand any of this politics stuff do you?


1. Libertarians don't provide "rational critique"

2. "economically conservative" = Extreme Moneterism

3. Socially Liberal = Fuck em. I'm alright, who cares?


An aside: Always amazes me how insidious you Act people (scum) are. Always a visible presence on University campuses (trying to indoctrinate the young and appear in some way relevant), clogging up talk back radio and other populist type media: We are even blessed enough in little Ol' Kiwibiker to have a (small) clique of rabid fascists pushing the cause.

[Finn]

Guys, it's a done deal. National will form a new Government so lets stop all the quibbling okay? Sorry lefties, but it's time to get off your fat lazy arses and get a real job.

Thank you.

[nodrog]

Guys, it's a done deal. National will form a new Government so lets stop all the quibbling okay? Sorry lefties, but it's time to get off your fat lazy arses and get a real job.

Thank you.

so next week there is going to be countless boring threads about who should have won? and maybe a poll on why?

[MisterD]

1. Libertarians don't provide "rational critique"

Well it's becoming obvious that you wouldn't know rational if it secretly taped you and played it on TV3.



We are even blessed enough in little Ol' Kiwibiker to have a (small) clique of rabid fascists pushing the cause.


The word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else... almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’.

By that standard, the biggest fascists in NZ politics are the union movement.

[short-circuit]

Well it's becoming obvious that you wouldn't know rational if it secretly taped you and played it on TV3.





By that standard, the biggest fascists in NZ politics are the union movement.


Weak response to points 1, 2 and 3 - Try again.

P.S Orwell was a fascist...and like you he was defensive about it.

Me? proud Socialist

[Finn]

Me? proud Socialist

Good for you. It is however really sad that you've given up on mankind.

[Manxman]

so next week there is going to be countless boring threads about who should have won? and maybe a poll on why?

I don't care, so long as you keep posting - esp. using avatars like that.:woohoo::woohoo:

[Manxman]

Guys, it's a done deal. National will form a new Government so lets stop all the quibbling okay? Sorry lefties, but it's time to get off your fat lazy arses and get a real job.
Thank you.
Amen to that.

[short-circuit]

Good for you. It is however really sad that you've given up on mankind.

Sorry? Since when did right-wingers care about people?

Speak for yourself - your own political views reflect your own cynicism and the distain you obviously have for your fellow man.

Why do you even try to engage in discussion with me? You are scum - in your previous posts you've revealed youself as such.

[Badjelly]

PS, what about flip-flops? Domain of the National Party?? I don't think so. Not many people noticed that, two weeks ago, Helen Clark stated that the Maori seats were not to be entrenched (ie actually agreeing with National).

Suddenly, with one week of the campaign left, and obviously slow to realise the politically suicidal gaff she had made (but fortunately few media had picked up on, cos they were focussing on Key saying exactly the same) she changes her mind completely. U turn. 180 degrees...and states that they should be.

Yes, but at least she flip-flopped before the election. It's the parties that said they'd flip before the election but flopped afterwards that have done the damage in this country.

[imdying]

Guys, it's a done deal. National will form a new Government so lets stop all the quibbling okay? Sorry lefties, but it's time to get off your fat lazy arses and get a real job.

Thank you.I seem to remember the blue team was well ahead in the polls on the day before the elections last time round... National have plenty of time to fuck it up :yes:

[Manxman]

Yes, but at least she flip-flopped before the election. It's the parties that said they'd flip before the election but flopped afterwards that have done the damage in this country.

That'll be pretty much all of them then, eh?:2thumbsup

[Finn]

Sorry? Since when did right-wingers care about people?

Speak for yourself - your own political views reflect your own cynicism and the distain you obviously have for your fellow man.

Why do you even try to engage in discussion with me? You are scum - in your previous posts you've realed youself as such.

I can tell you're upset. Must be difficult living off welfare for all these years and now you're going to have to get a job.

It's really not that bad once you get into it. Sure, at first you won't like getting out of bed before lunchtime but your body will adjust. Just give it some time. But be warned, once your 3 month trial is up, your boss will be able to fire you for being useless and you won't be able to hide being the Union.

Now run along and be a good boy.

[MisterD]

Weak response to points 1, 2 and 3 - Try again.

I'm trying to pitch things at your level, and it seems I'm succeeding. How many syllables can you cope with in a word?



P.S Orwell was a fascist...and like you he was defensive about it.

Me? proud Socialist

1984 isn't an instruction manual you idiot.

[Finn]

1984 isn't an instruction manual you idiot.

Hahahahahahahahah!

[Finn]

I seem to remember the blue team was well ahead in the polls on the day before the elections last time round... National have plenty of time to fuck it up :yes:

Yeah but this time around Clark has shown her true colours. People want (and need) change.

[Ixion]

By that standard, the biggest fascists in NZ politics are the union movement.

Hang on a minute. Even we can't be both fascists and communists at the same time.

[MisterD]

Hang on a minute. Even we can't be both fascists and communists at the same time.

Two faces of the same coin, so you are. :nya:

[Finn]

I'm campaigning around the office. Of the people that I trust that are undecided, I have offered them a day off with pay if they vote National. 6 people have taken me up on the offer.

Go democracy!!!

[Manxman]

I'm campaigning around the office. Of the people that I trust that are undecided, I have offered them a day off with pay if they vote National. 6 people have taken me up on the offer.
Go democracy!!!

Which day Finn? Christmas Day?:lol:

Good luck with the canvassing.

[Forest]

Unfortunately you can't vote for the McGillicuddy Serious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGillicuddy_Serious_Party) party at this election. Which is a real shame as they provided a genuine outlet for protest votes.

I'm just going out the door to vote (I'm in Melbourne).

[Mikkel]

Two faces of the same coin, so you are. :nya:

I guess, if the currency is degrees of political extremism...


Go democracy!!!

Sounds more like capitalism to me, which is perfectly fine by the way!

[rainman]

1984 isn't an instruction manual you idiot.

Excellent! :)


Guys, it's a done deal. National will form a new Government so lets stop all the quibbling okay? Sorry lefties, but it's time to get off your fat lazy arses and get a real job.

At the risk of committing the sin of poor punnery, you're probably right. Not that it'll make a fuckload of difference.

But what do us lefties that already have real jobs do? :innocent:

[jrandom]

Sorry lefties, but it's time to get off your fat lazy arses and get a real job.

I'd like to see you try and make me, motherfucker.

:doobey:

[Usarka]

I'm campaigning around the office. Of the people that I trust that are undecided, I have offered them a day off with pay if they vote National. 6 people have taken me up on the offer.

Go democracy!!!

Do you really trust those bludgers to tick the right box and be honest????? :innocent:

[Forest]

Just got back from the polling station in Little Collins St.

Was easier than I expected. Hopefully some of you lazy bums will make the effort tomorrow.

[Jantar]

I've voted Labour the last few elections, but this time I'm going to vote for the party that makes the rednecks on KB the angriest. So who is it, people: Labour or Green?

Don't bother saying NZ First. I do have my limits.
Well, the Greens at least believe in what they say, even if they are misguided. Labour are straight out liars.

[Jantar]

Yes, but at least she flip-flopped before the election. It's the parties that said they'd flip before the election but flopped afterwards that have done the damage in this country.
Oh, you mean like the chewing gum tax cut promised prior to last election, but cancelled imediately after?

[FJRider]

I'm campaigning around the office. Of the people that I trust that are undecided, I have offered them a day off with pay if they vote National. 6 people have taken me up on the offer.

Go democracy!!!

And how are they to prove they voted THAT way... John coming round to tell you/thank them ????(even he won't know)....

[FJRider]

Just got back from the polling station in Little Collins St.

Was easier than I expected. Hopefully some of you lazy bums will make the effort tomorrow.

Do polling stations make house calls... ???

[Jantar]

Do polling stations make house calls... ???

Don't be so bloody lazy, you live only a short walk from a polling station, not even far enough away to warm up you FJ. :shutup:

[davereid]

I'm campaigning around the office. Of the people that I trust that are undecided, I have offered them a day off with pay if they vote National. 6 people have taken me up on the offer.Go democracy!!!


Hehe done one better than that.

Told em all, if Labour win they get a pink slip for Xmas as we will close all NZ production.

[rainman]

Well, the Greens at believe in what they say, even if they are misguided. Labour are straight out liars.

Can I volunteer an expansion of same:
1. Parties who are genuine but sometimes could be seen as misguided - Greens, Act, Maori
2. Straight out liars - NZ First (cum laude), Labour, National
3. Would have to have own opinions in order to be honest/not - UF
4. Everyone else

[short-circuit]

And how are they to prove they voted THAT way... John coming round to tell you/thank them ????(even he won't know)....


Take no notice. He's as full of shit as that slimey, watery eyed bastard Key - considerably thicker though.

A wee tip for you Finn: Prostitutes are more contracters than employees

[Magua]

I *have* to vote, or I have no right to bitch for three years. Who the fuck am I supposed to vote for then?

Dave

Vote for Jim, he wont let them sell kiwibank.

[Forest]

Do polling stations make house calls... ???

I'm over in Melbourne, so today was the last day I could cast an overseas vote. Had to go to the Victorian Electoral Commission building in Little Collins St.

Lots of kiwis there today. Good to know I'm not the only person who left it until the last minute.

[devnull]

Unfortunately you can't vote for the McGillicuddy Serious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGillicuddy_Serious_Party) party at this election. Which is a real shame as they provided a genuine outlet for protest votes.

I'm just going out the door to vote (I'm in Melbourne).

They ended up in the Greens, as did the Communist Party.

I'm voting for democracy & freedom - I'm sick of a Sth Pacific version of Cuba

[Max Preload]

Me? proud Socialist

Well, chardonnay one, anyway.

[rodimus]

Who saw the labour supporter in Palmerston North with his megaphone calling "John Key the Anti-Obama"?

Obama will never scrap the U.S.Airforce fighter wing - LOL
Obama won't ban Nuclear Power - LOL, or ban NZ ships from their harbours.
Obama will not consider implementing Fart Taxes - LOL
Obama won't forge art work - LOL
Obama won't bring in boatloads of refugees to sit on the benificary system - LOL
Obama won't let the nations women go without cancer treatment
Obama won't change the classroom to one of participation rather than competition - LOL
Obama won't associate to Helen Clark. Like the UK and Australia, Obama will close the door in her face.

Why???

Because Labour is Anti-Democratic!!!

And so many New Zealanders like this guy in Palmerston North can't see what's obvious. We have too many un-educated New Zealanders that do not understand the damage being done by labour (The declining OECD, the fleeing kiwis to Aussie in record numbers, the hiking un-employment rate, the business moves offshore, the small business closures, the closing meat works and the presuure put on our aluminium smelters to close or move offshore).

How dumb are you to vote Labour and promote this kind of economic disaster? This is why we are declining in the OECD and approaching third world status.

And get this - In all truthfulness, Helen is more Anti-Obama (Anti Military, Anti Nuclear, Anti education, Anti Health, Anti Business prosperity, Anti Wealth making). She's a Communist leader! (She brought the Chinese war ships into Wellington harbour this year and doesn't allow the U.S. ships in.
It is all her policies responsible for this blocking of U.S ships and permitting of Chinese war ships.

GO NATIONAL! GO DEMOCRACY!

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Well, chardonnay one, anyway.

No that would be a Labour voter

[short-circuit]

Who saw the labour supporter in Palmerston North with his megaphone calling "John Key the Anti-Obama"?

Obama will never scrap the U.S.Airforce fighter wing - LOL
Obama won't ban Nuclear Power - LOL, or ban NZ ships from their harbours.
Obama will not consider implementing Fart Taxes - LOL
Obama won't forge art work - LOL
Obama won't bring in boatloads of refugees to sit on the benificary system - LOL
Obama won't let the nations women go without cancer treatment
Obama won't change the classroom to one of participation rather than competition - LOL
Obama won't associate to Helen Clark. Like the UK and Australia, Obama will close the door in her face.

Why???

Because Labour is Anti-Democratic!!!

And so many New Zealanders like this guy in Palmerston North can't see what's obvious. We have too many un-educated New Zealanders that do not understand the damage being done by labour (The declining OECD, the fleeing kiwis to Aussie in record numbers, the hiking un-employment rate, the business moves offshore, the small business closures, the closing meat works and the presuure put on our aluminium smelters to close or move offshore).

How dumb are you to vote Labour and promote this kind of economic disaster? This is why we are declining in the OECD and approaching third world status.

And get this - In all truthfulness, Helen is more Anti-Obama (Anti Military, Anti Nuclear, Anti education, Anti Health, Anti Business prosperity, Anti Wealth making). She's a Communist leader! (She brought the Chinese war ships into Wellington harbour this year and doesn't allow the U.S. ships in.
It is all her policies responsible for this blocking of U.S ships and permitting of Chinese war ships.

GO NATIONAL! GO DEMOCRACY!


Are you even (chronologically) old enough to vote?

[MisterD]

Words of caution.

To avoid breaking the law, we should refrain from posting anything that might be construed as influencing the way people might vore until 7pm tonight.

Mods might want to lock these political threads....have fun, go vote :2thumbsup

[Hitcher]

So is everybody happy now?

[Street Gerbil]

First (but expected) disappointment of the elections aftermath: greens are invited to join the government. Why oh why?

[jrandom]

First (but expected) disappointment of the elections aftermath: greens are invited to join the government. Why oh why?

What are you on about? Nothing of the sort has happened or will happen.

[Magua]

I think he means the Maori party.

[MisterD]

So is everybody happy now?

In a word: yes!

[jrandom]

So is everybody happy now?

Nope.

But the process was interesting to watch.

:sherlock:

[jrandom]

I think he means the Maori party.

Well, who cares about them, eh?

They're the party in Government with the least clear idea of where they stand on any policy other than 'free cash for the brown people', so National would be foolish not to bring them on board to bolster its confidence-and-supply majority. They'll be easily manipulated; it's basically free votes in Parliament in exchange for money that was going to be paid out anyway.

[MisterD]

Well, who cares about them, eh?

They're the party in Government with the least clear idea of where they stand on any policy other than 'free cash for the brown people', so National would be foolish not to bring them on board to bolster its confidence-and-supply majority. They'll be easily manipulated; it's basically free votes in Parliament in exchange for money that was going to be paid out anyway.

Intelligence is directly proportional to cynicism - discuss. :lol:

[Street Gerbil]

What are you on about? Nothing of the sort has happened or will happen.

May be not. There was an article earlier in the Herald saying that Key is going to talk business to greens early next week, but now the article is marked as "updated" and the aforementioned passage has disappeared. I stand corrected.

[Forest]

So is everybody happy now?

Yes. I voted for a change of government.

[Tank]

So is everybody happy now?

Fucken Ecstatic !!!! - We partied hard after the result - absolutely stuffed Sunday as I was probably over the limit until well after lunch!

I like the way Key is bringing in the Maori party - because he wants to - not out of necessity - a smart move and its good for the country.

I'm really interested to see what the true state of the books are in - I believe that Labour understated some commitments - and that they will be worse than we think.

ACT - great to see them there - A bit of personal responsibility is exactly what a lot of people need in NZ - watch them get it after Rodders is made minister of Policing :shifty:

[Finn]

Take no notice. He's as full of shit as that slimey, watery eyed bastard Key - considerably thicker though.

A wee tip for you Finn: Prostitutes are more contracters than employees

Either way, we won, you lost. Ha ha!

[Finn]

So is everybody happy now?

Yes thank you Hitcher. In fact it was almost a perfect result.

- Got rid of Helen
- Got rid of Winston
- Got rid of Judith
- Got rid of Cullen
- Chucked the Greens out of Government

And just to make it better, Phill Goff will be the Labour leader! Fantastic! Even if he doesn't last 3 years, this will ensure another victory next term.

NZ is a better place today. It actually even feels positive.

[Badjelly]

I've voted Labour the last few elections, but this time I'm going to vote for the party that makes the rednecks on KB the angriest. So who is it, people: Labour or Green?

That got no response that I could see, so clearly there are no rednecks on KB.

[Badjelly]

NZ is a better place today. It actually even feels positive.

It's called the honeymoon period.

[Ixion]

Which , traditionally, was followed by a bad attack of cystitis.

[Bass]

Which , traditionally, was followed by a bad attack of cystitis.
Mate, I disagree with your politics but I love the way you argue them.

[Pussy]

Yes thank you Hitcher. In fact it was almost a perfect result.

- Got rid of Helen
- Got rid of Winston
- Got rid of Judith
- Got rid of Cullen
- Chucked the Greens out of Government

And just to make it better, Phill Goff will be the Labour leader! Fantastic! Even if he doesn't last 3 years, this will ensure another victory next term.

NZ is a better place today. It actually even feels positive.

Don't forget:
Duynhoven getting the arse in New Plymouth! (14000 majority in 2002)

Damien O'Connor getting the arse in West Coast/Tasman (the birthplace of the Labour party)

All in all a very good weekend! :D

[Skyryder]

Well, who cares about them, eh?

They're the party in Government with the least clear idea of where they stand on any policy other than 'free cash for the brown people', so National would be foolish not to bring them on board to bolster its confidence-and-supply majority. They'll be easily manipulated; it's basically free votes in Parliament in exchange for money that was going to be paid out anyway.


Succinct and my thoughts too. Not too sure about the easy manipulatiuon bit although Key is trying in this area. I see Key when referencing Maori Party leadership always quotes TT. Rang TT, will be having talks with TT etc. Always TT and not PS who is much brighter. I'm beginning to give Key some credit with this. He's pushing for the softer touch knowing TT's adversion to the Labour Party. Expect some new legislation on the Seabed and foreshore thing. ACT want this repealed so prime coastline can be sold off.

Heard something on Laws talkback the other day that Turaniaia is resigning from the co-leadership. Anyone have the oil on this?


Skyyrder

[MisterD]

Heard something on Laws talkback the other day that Turaniaia is resigning from the co-leadership. Anyone have the oil on this?


She was on the teev the other night saying that she wanted to spend more time being a Grandma and would be retiring after this term - dunno about the timescale on stepping down as co-leader though.

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Heard something on Laws talkback the other day that Turaniaia is resigning from the co-leadership. Anyone have the oil on this?

Jesus Christ and I thought I was a gutton for punishment reading KB forums! you actually listen to ignorant rednecks and National party stooges (Hone Carter)