70 km/hr speed limit?

[riffer]

God help us all if this talking head gets listened to:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4737549a30.html

[MSTRS]

At 70kph on the open road I see the accident rate going up. All those bored motorists going to sleep.

[Jantar]

At 70kph on the open road I see the accident rate going up. All those bored motorists going to sleep.
That is exactly what has happened everywhere that the speed limit has been dropped. And in those places that have raised the speed limits the accident rate has dropped.

[Brooke]

That's just bloody laughable! :laugh:

How do they honestly expect people to travel at that speed all the time? Not only would accidents going up but so would road rage. I know living in the country just travelling to work would take me way longer. Screw that!

[sAsLEX]

That is exactly what has happened everywhere that the speed limit has been dropped. And in those places that have raised the speed limits the accident rate has dropped.

Don't let facts get in the way

[M109R Cruising]

My god!! how stupid, my road rage would go into over drive along with everyone elses. Its bad enough in the 80km zones with the nanas doing 60km.Well, i spose it would be ok if we were all little nanas in our town cars that are too fricken big for us.

Who the hell comes up with this shit....

[Radar]

From the article:

"Another feature of Sweden's road safety policy was the proliferation of speed cameras. There are 1000 fixed cameras and police have 25 mobile units that are placed in plain sight to discourage flouting of speed limits."

Unlike the Swedes, the French destroy speed cameras by :2guns: shooting them!

This might be the only time the likes of Headbanger :laugh: has admiration for the French.

[twistemotion]

I thought this was an April fool's joke but I've just checked today's date... And the media publish this drivel too. If we don't speak up in public, like make submissions when we have the opportunity, it's much easier for stupid ideas to become law.

[Slyer]

Unlike the Swedes, the French destroy speed cameras by :2guns: shooting them!
It's a good plan, make them a bit less lucrative. ;)

[Usarka]

I like the logic. Aim for a zero road toll by dropping the limit to 70.

If that doesn't work ! Drop it to 50!

and so on, and so on......

[Slyer]

Ban roads and road vehicles?

[Daffyd]

The fact that he's connected with Monash University says it all.

[NighthawkNZ]

That is exactly what has happened everywhere that the speed limit has been dropped. And in those places that have raised the speed limits the accident rate has dropped.

I said on another site on the same article a couple of weeks ago... my bike would over heat just trying to get to Palmerston... It seriously hates that speed... I would quickly get bored, and probably have an off just because I lost concentration

70kph is even slower than what it use to before the days of 100kph... it use to be 80kph... and it I remember it use to be a whole day just to get to ChCh from Dunedin. fuck that...

[Radar]

It's a good plan, make them a bit less lucrative. ;)

It gets better - looks like the English have copied the French:

A secretive group is dedicated to ripping down, blowing up and even shooting speed cameras. Up and down the UK, the tools used to keep roads safe are being ripped down, blown up and even shot apart as part of a campaign orchestrated by a gang of Web-surfing outlaws. They threaten to become the most popular gang of criminals since Robin Hood and his Merry Men stalked the countryside. Read the Observer article here. (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2003/09/08/2003067005)

[johan]

I though I was safe from the Swedish buocracy down here...

[slofox]

Maybe we should revert to having a dude walking in front of the vehicle carrying a red flag............and a speed limit of 4mph....

[Manxman]

I though I was safe from the Swedish buocracy down here...

Me too, but those insidious tossers move into any place left behind by common sense - and common sense has been on a long vacation in recent times.

People have become too afraid to push back against this crap (more commonly known as the 'silent majority') and unfortunately NZ is fertile ground right now for PC BS.

[MSTRS]

The fact that he's connected with Monash University says it all.

And he's Swedish as well...a double dose of bullshit. (with apologies to those Swedes who are not a part of that Socialist Police state)

[Morcs]

If that ever happened, my number plate would go in the bin, and id stop giving a fuck.

[Hitcher]

God help us all if this talking head gets listened to:

Another reason to change the government tomorrow...

[vifferman]

Why the obsession with the road toll?!?
It's not that bad, and more people die each year from nut cancer, smoking-related illnesses, their head exploding spontaneously from information overload, or blood loss from their knobs falling off unexpectedly.
FFS - life has a 100% mortaility rate anyway.

[CookMySock]

A secretive group is dedicated to ripping down, blowing up and even shooting speed cameras.Haha that is awesome. Of course I would never damage public property. Hey theres an activists social group on KB..


If we don't speak up in public, like make submissions when we have the opportunity, it's much easier for stupid ideas to become law.No no no, you have completely the wrong idea. You should understand that the sumbission process is designed by them to achieve their goals. The best thing to do with the sumbission process is to completely boycott it so that it fails, and when they implement their stupid plan then fuck them up some other way so they can never succeed. Maybe you could send them a little note to say you will not take part, but they should expect a full-on direct attack once they have put their conclusion in place.

DB

[Badjelly]

That is exactly what has happened everywhere that the speed limit has been dropped. And in those places that have raised the speed limits the accident rate has dropped.

I'm interested in looking into this. Could you provide a link or two to help me get started, please?

[NZsarge]

God help us all if this talking head gets listened to:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4737549a30.html


Ban roads and road vehicles?

That is the only way you'll get a zero road toll, the guy in the above article is some kinda swedish nut job!

[ManDownUnder]

Maybe we should revert to having a dude walking in front of the vehicle carrying a red flag............and a speed limit of 4mph....

Is that law still on the books????

What a brilliant way to gain attention for any given cause! Imagine it - cars heading down the motorway, dude's with flags walking ahead of them cautioning others out of the way.

[vifferman]

What a brilliant way to gain attention for any given cause! Imagine it - cars heading down the motorway, dude's with flags walking ahead of them cautioning others out of the way.
It would be better with Dudettes. Or or... Here's an idea - a marching bandette, with flags 'n' brass thingies 'n' BikiniBabes 'n' stuff like that there! :niceone:

[slofox]

Why the obsession with the road toll?!?
It's not that bad, and more people die each year from nut cancer, smoking-related illnesses, their head exploding spontaneously from information overload, or blood loss from their knobs falling off unexpectedly.
FFS - life has a 100% mortaility rate anyway.


Making the roads safer is the wrong move.

The biggest problem the planet faces is human over-population. Given NZ's reputation as a "world leader in social reform", here is another chance to reinforce that reputation and set the world yet another example.....
Instead of striving to lower the road toll, we should be trying to maximise it. That way, less people. So less health costs, education costs etc etc the list goes on. Saves MONEY!
To that end: Make the minimum speed 150km/hr on open roads and 80km/hr in town. NO maximum speed. DO NOT maintain the roads so that they get more and more dangerous as they fall to bits. No minimum driving age. No licence required to drive and all vehicles to be grossly overpowered. Do away with WOF's. No cops, no lights no roundabouts or any other method of traffic control. NO ambulance services to smashes either. In anyone is injured, just put 'em out of their misery - with a shotgun should do it....
Any other bright ideas?

Wotcha reckon Viff?

[vifferman]

Wotcha reckon Viff?
I read recentlyish, that if the world's population was 9 billion (!) people, there would be room for all of them to live in Hong Kong and still have plenty of room around each person.

[slofox]

cars heading down the motorway, dude's with flags walking ahead of them cautioning others out of the way.

Probably be faster than it is now anyway.........

[Gareth51]

At 70kph on the open road I see the accident rate going up. All those bored motorists going to sleep.

My thoughts exactly,hard enought staying awake at 100k

[ferriswheel]

I find 130 a good speed on the motorway to keep awake
and every time ive been done the auckland motorway everyone else has had the same idea lol

[imne1]

I rekon what's needed is alternating speed zones, every little while have a nice piece of decent motorway with a higher limit like 140 so that people can have a blat and wake up, then go back to the more passive speeds.

[MSTRS]

I rekon what's needed is alternating speed zones, every little while have a nice piece of decent motorway with a higher limit like 140 so that people can have a blat and wake up, then go back to the more passive speeds.

NOOOOO!!!!
How many get caught out (by the piglets) on the Hamilton 'bypass'?

[Swoop]

Unlike the Swedes, the French destroy speed cameras by :2guns: shooting them!
Unfortunately that has not begun here. Possibly our firearm owners are far too well behaved?

Maybe we should revert to having a dude walking in front of the vehicle carrying a red flag............and a speed limit of 4mph....
I thought that was still the case if you own a ford...:whistle:

[slimjim]

man i can remember when i was given km stickers ..:whistle:..to put over the miles per hour dash on my austin 8...but back then 70km was quick.:gob:.til i realised that she would do 72miles per hour anyway.:sweatdrop.

[R6_kid]

Remove the nanna state control on our roads. Get rid of speed cameras, or set them to a higher tolerance. Penalise much harder for reckless/dangerous/careless, and jail for 20yrs+ if you kill someone on the road.

I think personal responsibility needs to be encouraged a lot more than 'speed kills'. How about instead of 'slow down', a 'be more cautious' campaign.

Better road design would help to. Like maybe designing roads to the known habits of drivers, instead of slowing everything down which will just lead to more dangerous passing maneuvers - Was good to see a number of new 'slow vehicle lanes' on the way out to Piha last weekend.

[Slyer]

Remove the nanna state control on our roads. Get rid of speed cameras, or set them to a higher tolerance. Penalise much harder for reckless/dangerous/careless, and jail for 20yrs+ if you kill someone on the road.

I think personal responsibility needs to be encouraged a lot more than 'speed kills'. How about instead of 'slow down', a 'be more cautious' campaign.

Better road design would help to. Like maybe designing roads to the known habits of drivers, instead of slowing everything down which will just lead to more dangerous passing maneuvers - Was good to see a number of new 'slow vehicle lanes' on the way out to Piha last weekend.
That's what I would do, remove speed limits from open roads, leave it up to the driver/rider to decide what speed is safe.
Punishments should be dealt for endangering other people.

[Badjelly]

That is exactly what has happened everywhere that the speed limit has been dropped. And in those places that have raised the speed limits the accident rate has dropped.


I'm interested in looking into this. Could you provide a link or two to help me get started, please?

No response.

So all the people who make this statement on KB (and I've seen it quite a few times) are talking through their arses? Or is there some info out there that I could look at?

[Max Preload]

No response.

So all the people who make this statement on KB (and I've seen it quite a few times) are talking through their arses? Or is there some info out there that I could look at?

Ever heard of google?

[mowgli]

And in those places that have raised the speed limits the accident rate has dropped.
Same in the middle east when they reduced speed enforcement. If you get caught speeding there are no demerits and the fine simply gets added to the cost of your next rego - easy.

[Badjelly]

That is exactly what has happened everywhere that the speed limit has been dropped. And in those places that have raised the speed limits the accident rate has dropped.


Same in the middle east when they reduced speed enforcement.

However, in Victoria when they increased speed enforcement, the accident rate dropped:

http://monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/muarc267.html

[sunhuntin]

Remove the nanna state control on our roads. Get rid of speed cameras, or set them to a higher tolerance. Penalise much harder for reckless/dangerous/careless, and jail for 20yrs+ if you kill someone on the road.

I think personal responsibility needs to be encouraged a lot more than 'speed kills'. How about instead of 'slow down', a 'be more cautious' campaign.

Better road design would help to. Like maybe designing roads to the known habits of drivers, instead of slowing everything down which will just lead to more dangerous passing maneuvers - Was good to see a number of new 'slow vehicle lanes' on the way out to Piha last weekend.

add 5 - 10 years if you injure someone on the road. time would change depending on seriousness of injuries [broken bone 5 years, traction for x amount of time, 10 years.

your right that personal reposibility needs to be looked at. so does accepting the blame when it is your fault and none of this "i didnt see you cos you were speeding" bullshit.

[MSTRS]

However, in Victoria when they increased speed enforcement, the accident rate dropped:



You did notice who was doing the saying? Monash are not renowned for sensible ideas or the whole truth in statistic reporting.

[Coyote]

Fucking make the speed limit 0kph. Fucking problem solved bitches.

[Badjelly]

You did notice who was doing the saying? Monash are not renowned for sensible ideas or the whole truth in statistic reporting.

Maybe not, but I referred to a specific report and you are welcome to make specific criticisms of its methods and interpretations. All the other "facts' that have been quoted on this thread are unreferenced and may just be made up as far as I know.

[Badjelly]

Fucking make the speed limit 0kph. Fucking problem solved bitches.

Fucking hell.

[AllanB]

Rider/driver training is a better idea. Intensive training and repeat training courses at say 5 year intervals.

Plus restricting cars to the younger ones - WTF a 15 year old is legally allowed to get behind the wheel of a Skyline, HSV or similar is beyond me. :buggerd:

70 is nuts on the open road - what the heck are you meant to do with 5 & 6th gear????????

[Coyote]

Fucking hell.
Fucking A!

[AllanB]

Fucking make the speed limit 0kph. Fucking problem solved bitches.


That would save a load of $ on tyres and servicing - plus just about every used bike would be 'like new' condition.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[jase the ace]

well i reckon all vehicles should be governed to 50 kph.no fast vehicles at all to be imported . including gov"t ministers bmws .then we would all be really safe. really dont know why our caring governments let fast cars and bikes in anyway .well i guess they just need our money . gives the police something to do. i reckon everyone who gets a ticket should not pay the automatic fine. always plead not guilty and take it to court .imagine the nz courts trying to cope .it would be years before the cases were called .many of the policemen would have left anyway so no evidence could be called . the police get off really easy at the moment as most folk pay the standard fine . if speed was so dangerous a motorist should be stopped immediately he was clocked .not much point in getting a fine in the mail to the owner of the vehicle 2 weeks later. the driver may well have been drunk. disqualified or even not had a licence and his speed may well have caused an accident .. take it from me speed cameras are a great way for the governments to make money and really dont contribute to road safety at all . i worry about what they will think of next .wont be long before we will all be cringing at 30kph for sure . cheers jase the ace .. :no:

[Badjelly]

well i reckon all vehicles should be governed to 50 kph...

I thought this thread died a month ago. Apparently it was only sleeping.

[Hitcher]

One hoped it had run down the curtain and joined the choir invisibule.

[Paladin]

Well its gonna rear its ugly head every so often as every L Plater that goes on the motorway finds out how exposed they feel doin 70kph when every other bugger is doin 100+, and they KNOW all the cagers behind them are gettin well peed off and so they're worryin what nutter is gonna do somethin stupid like cut him up or worse!

[gatch]

its such a fuckin ridiculous notion, driver ed is key, so many cats on the road have got no idea at all of what they are doing, its mind blowing.

iv had this argument with people over and over and over, speed doesnt kill people, hell you can fall over and break your arm or your neck, BUT of course speed wll amplify the damage in a crash, BUT 99% of people wouldnt crash if they formulated a better opinion on the surface they are driving on and exercised better judgement around other motorists..

i could write a novel about this but then im sure alot of you are thinking the same thing eh..

sorry, my rant..

[Pixie]

Claes Tingvall is the fanatic instigator of all the draconian traffic law in Victoria and NZ and some other anglo countries.
(The latin countries have more sense-eg the Italians raised the federal speed limit to 150 for safety reasons)
In our part of the world Victoria are the high priests of his evil cult and NZTA are the twisted altar boys waiting for some perverted attention.