Investments...

[McDuck]

Well i need to compare some investments for an assignment i have. Mainly compare the feasebility of a rural investment over a non related investment and it would appear my poor googling can find bugger all to do with yearly returns, long term trends for values etc so is there anybody out there that can point me to some good info? I need another two.


PS the assignment is not finding the info the assignment is using it and i alredy know i am crap at googling.


Thankyou people......:chase:

[Trouser]

Property investor magazine are pretty good at yearly returns and trends by region. Local library?

[Hitcher]

What is meant by "rural investment"? A farm? A business? Land? Stud cattle?

Sounds like a trick question to me.

[McDuck]

What is meant by "rural investment"? A farm? A business? Land? Stud cattle?

Sounds like a trick question to me.

Depends on the focus of the student doing the assignment, for my mate it is a bull beef finishing farm but for me it is a kiwifruit orchard.


Gold to be exact.



Hort. 16a to be even more exact.

[Wiki Drifter]

index funds in NZX50, ASX, Dow etc... I'm sure you can dig up historical data on these

[Hitcher]

A dairy conversion in South Otago is probably your best bet at present. The way the US economy is going I wouldn't be getting too excited about bull beef.

Other than that, a coastal subdivision in Northland probably beats everything else hands down.

Send an email to rob.davison@meatnz.co.nz. He's their head economist, and if he doesn't know, nobody will.

[doc]

Would have thort investment in the Rural sphere would represent income producing "salt of the earth " type stuff against, speculative stuff , the townies have, like the "bigger fool theory" :bleh: :argue:

P.S. Sensible advice suggests that the first thing to fail in a recession is Coastal Property. Bach has to go to refinance debt.

[Hitcher]

The rural sphere has been more than capable of suffering from the "bigger fool" thing, e.g. goats, cashmere goats, non-astringent persimmons, kiwifruit, Belgian Blue cattle, Prince melons...

[McDuck]

The rural sphere has been more than capable of suffering from the "bigger fool" thing, e.g. goats, cashmere goats, non-astringent persimmons, kiwifruit, Belgian Blue cattle, Prince melons...

Whats wrong with kiwifruit???

It is siomply a case that the good managers and growers will be fine and the poor ones will go under. Forchatly i do not need to go into tooooooo much depth just work out and comment on paybacks, dimishing returns, compounding etc.

Well i have found info and settled on:
Marac Finance 12 month fixed,
Gold Bullien
Forestry.


So thanks for ya help gents (and ladys :))

[Pussy]

Send an email to rob.davison@meatnz.co.nz. He's their head economist, and if he doesn't know, nobody will.
Totally agree with that! Every year Rob gives a presentation at the Agricultural Aviation Association conference, and to me it's the highlight. I was lucky enough to have lunch in Queenstown with Rob last year, and had a good yarn with him. He's VERY clued up

[Hitcher]

Whats wrong with kiwifruit?

Some of us have been around for some time and remember only too well how overhyped kiwifruit got in the 1970s and early 1980s. Nearly all of the Bay of Plenty was planted in the things, not to mention orchards in bizarre places like New Plymouth. Green gold, they were. Meanwhile New Zealand growers were furiously selling kiwifruit plants to countries all over the world -- not just to Europe and the USA where they would support out-of-season production from New Zealand, but also to southern hemisphere countries. Nobody had the presence of mind after coining the name "kiwifruit" to take out any trademark protection on it. Hence the name "zespri" that was coined and registered long after the kiwifruit horse had bolted. There were notable other "marketing" failures. The rest, as they say, is history. The kiwifruit industry in New Zealand today is a very slimmed down version of what it was in its heyday 30 years ago.

[doc]

The rural sphere has been more than capable of suffering from the "bigger fool" thing, e.g. goats, cashmere goats, non-astringent persimmons, kiwifruit, Belgian Blue cattle, Prince melons...

Thats not rural . That townies investing in what they think is the next boutique. :Pokey: The fool's got burnt and went into boutique finance. :zzzz:

[geoffm]

I have some info from a couple of years ago on commercial property (mainly in Hamilton) with a Monte Carlo based statistical analysis using @Risk. Good stuff. Simulvar is free and similar although harder to use. Both require Excel.
The Reserve Bank has long term interest rate data. Don't forget to allow for inflation - also available on the Reserve bank site.

[McDuck]

Some of us have been around for some time and remember only too well how overhyped kiwifruit got in the 1970s and early 1980s. Nearly all of the Bay of Plenty was planted in the things, not to mention orchards in bizarre places like New Plymouth. Green gold, they were. Meanwhile New Zealand growers were furiously selling kiwifruit plants to countries all over the world -- not just to Europe and the USA where they would support out-of-season production from New Zealand, but also to southern hemisphere countries. Nobody had the presence of mind after coining the name "kiwifruit" to take out any trademark protection on it. Hence the name "zespri" that was coined and registered long after the kiwifruit horse had bolted. There were notable other "marketing" failures. The rest, as they say, is history. The kiwifruit industry in New Zealand today is a very slimmed down version of what it was in its heyday 30 years ago.

Needless to say zespri lernt there lesson with that, i work with gold that i am happy with its security in terms of licence. Zespri have fourced the removel of over 100ha of unlicenced gold in one go overseas somwhere, good times ;)

With the plus side all the licence being sold now gos to resurch into new verities. There have also been genetics devalopments recently which means that they can tell if a seadling has potentiol at a few months old rather than waiting till the plant is 4 odd years old which is waht they were doing before.

[doc]

Some of us have been around for some time and remember only too well how overhyped kiwifruit got in the 1970s and early 1980s. Nearly all of the Bay of Plenty was planted in the things, not to mention orchards in bizarre places like New Plymouth. Green gold, they were. Meanwhile New Zealand growers were furiously selling kiwifruit plants to countries all over the world -- not just to Europe and the USA where they would support out-of-season production from New Zealand, but also to southern hemisphere countries. Nobody had the presence of mind after coining the name "kiwifruit" to take out any trademark protection on it. Hence the name "zespri" that was coined and registered long after the kiwifruit horse had bolted. There were notable other "marketing" failures. The rest, as they say, is history. The kiwifruit industry in New Zealand today is a very slimmed down version of what it was in its heyday 30 years ago.

That is a very naieve comment from someone who has no experience with the industry. You are quoting old idea's . The Kiwifuit industry (Those that survived the Queen St farmer era) today is something that NZ'rs can be proud of. Go and checkout the industry in April May period then follow it thru to October. It's pretty impressive and inovative. :bleh:

P.S Hitch you'd love it . Has heaps ofbeauracrats

[Hitcher]

That is a very naieve comment from someone who has no experience with the industry. You are quoting old idea's . The Kiwifuit industry (Those that survived the Queen St farmer era) today is something that NZ'rs can be proud of. Go and checkout the industry in April May period then follow it thru to October. It's pretty impressive and inovative. :bleh:

FFS, read the original question and then reread my reply. I wasn't commenting on today's kiwifruit industry, I was commenting on that industry 30 years ago when it soaked up capital like a sponge, with no marketing expertise or coordinated forward planning. And thanks for the extremely considered endorsement about my experience with the primary production sector.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Whats wrong with kiwifruit???

It is siomply a case that the good managers and growers will be fine and the poor ones will go under. Forchatly i do not need to go into tooooooo much depth just work out and comment on paybacks, dimishing returns, compounding etc.

Well i have found info and settled on:
Marac Finance 12 month fixed,
Gold Bullien
Forestry.


So thanks for ya help gents (and ladys :))

Please do an old man a favour and promise to run a spellcheck on your final presentation. It will be worth 5 marks, really.

[McDuck]

Please do an old man a favour and promise to run a spellcheck on your final presentation. It will be worth 5 marks, really.

That good sir is a given ;)

[doc]

FFS, read the original question and then reread my reply. I wasn't commenting on today's kiwifruit industry, I was commenting on that industry 30 years ago when it soaked up capital like a sponge, with no marketing expertise or coordinated forward planning. And thanks for the extremely considered endorsement about my experience with the primary production sector.

OK sorry bout endorsement on your ability to comment on the industry. But I feel making comments about something that produces income,jobs, development, in the manner you did and yet promoting investment in speculative Coastal property :gob:, just goes against my grain. Ok .Isn't the speculative thing part of which we are about to experience pain in ?