Call for ban on smoking in cars with kids

[PrincessBandit]

Read it on the internet this afternoon. While it's all very admirable (what with ban on smoking in public buildings etc - by extension, if we're going to "protect" non-smoking adults from the toxic byproducts from smokers shouldn't we also be doing our best to protect our kids...) where on earth is this going to stop???

The powers that be are even more determined to tell us how to live. What next? Will they be telling us that if we have children under the age of 10 living in our homes that we're not allowed to smoke there either???

Btw, am a non-smoker. Filthy disgusting habit!:sick: BUT I do care about people's rights not being overridden by what's fast becoming a totalitarian state. (hope that's the right "-ian" word!) I'm sure you know what I mean:yes:

[Pussy]

That's all fine and dandy.... but more kids smoke than adults anyway!

[Forest]

The powers that be are even more determined to tell us how to live. What next? Will they be telling us that if we have children under the age of 10 living in our homes that we're not allowed to smoke there either???


Yes. That will happen within the next few years.

Smoking in the house is already being put forward as a factor for consideration during Family Court custody hearings.

[James Deuce]

Does this mean that hot chicks will have to uglify if they are conveying children?

[mister.koz]

Yes. That will happen within the next few years.

Smoking in the house is already being put forward as a factor for consideration during Family Court custody hearings.

Jesus, why don't they just make a law against theft and vandalism so they can police them better???

Just seems weird to stretch our already stretched resources on a law that will be stupidly hard to enforce. They can't even enforce the helmets on pushbikes law ffs

only way to stop cigarettes doing harm is to make them illegal but thats not going to happen because the tax on cigarettes brings in ALLOT of revenue.

[MSTRS]

Read it on the internet this afternoon. ....people's rights being overridden by what's fast becoming a totalitarian state.

You are dead right about the WeKnowBestTotalitarianState, but who's calling for that? We all have a golden opportunity tomorrow, but if the above is from one of the 'good guys' then we're fucked.

[ManDownUnder]

Bugger that.

Ban tobocaa outright. Make it a class B drug and lock you'se smokers up!

[Manxman]

That's all fine and dandy.... but more kids smoke than adults anyway!

:lol::lol:

[Duke girl]

It amazes me how people can afford to smoke as its so hard these days to earn a dollar without wasting it on cigarettes. U may as well hold a $20 note in your hand and set it a light cos thats what people who smoke are doing along with shortening their life span. And when it comes to our kids of today regardless of whether their parents do or dont smoke they will do it anyway as it seems to be a peer pressure thing with the young 1's of today. I have a daughter who is turning 18 soon and she smokes to my disguss as I gave up cigarettes to have her and have brought her up in a smoke free home and yet she has made the choice to smoke and all because of her friends and partner do. I do not agree with Adults smoking around our young as it definately isnt healthy for them nor is it a nice way for them to start their lives breathing in second hand smoke.

[AllanB]

Bugger that.

Ban tobocaa outright. Make it a class B drug and lock you'se smokers up!

Yep - not a smoker myself and I wonder just why they don't go down this route if it is all so costly to the taxpayer and society. Possibly something to do with tax intake maybe....eh? eh?

Yeepers next you won't be allowed loud pipes on your bikes....oh hang on..........done that. Hmmm maybe ban crackers .....ah hang on.........I know ban prostitutes.....ah hang on they reversed that one so they can hang around the streets shaking their scabby arses......

[Swoop]

Well that comes as a surprise... Not!

The social engineering in this pissant country is pathetic.
All of the tv advertising about "smokefree"? Recall the adverts with the woman waiting to pick up her kids from sport and the PE teacher gives her the "look" since she is smoking in her own car?
Surprise, surprise. Now the call comes.

Thank fuck there is an election tomorrow!

[PrincessBandit]

... shaking their scabby arses......

OMG, I'm not even going to ask how you know that!! :eek:

[fatzx10r]

It amazes me how people can afford to smoke as its so hard these days to earn a dollar without wasting it on cigarettes.

no differeent than people lining up in a pub to blow there coin on getting shit faced, every damn thing cost's these day's.

[Mom]

I smoke. It is a filthy, disgusting and expensive vice, that one day no doubt I will give up, but for now I am a smoker.

We dont smoke in the car, we dont smoke in the house. This by choice. Our home does not stink of ciggie smoke (except when we have a bit of a do downstairs in the garage, when despite our best intentions to keep doors closed the smoke sneaks up the stairs) and neither does our car.

We dont have a problem smoking out side at all. Probably the only thing that pisses me off is the fact that if we are not allowed to smoke indoors in a public area, then for heavens sake provide a place to put our butts! I hate seeing smoke butts lying around the place.

[AllanB]

OMG, I'm not even going to ask how you know that!! :eek:


LOL - I drive past a few of them most days in the morning on the way to work - I tell you some days there are some interesting sights! The funniest had to be the pro in 6 inch heels and a mini skirt the size of a large belt, bending over to do up her laces (what laces - they were 6 inch heels). It would appear that she had forgotten to put on underwear that day. :sick:
Several other workers observed the same antics on their way in - I guess this was her form of advertising.

I tell you I would have been quite happy to ban that 'butt' - I said BAN not bang OK!!!!!!

[Madness]

Legislation was passed by a British council just this month that will prevent children being fostered into homes occupied by smokers Linky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/nov/05/fostering-smoking-ban). IMHO that is a tad near-sighted, considering that there may be some perfectly good foster homes where the adult smokers choose to partake in their habit exclusively outdoors.

[Pussy]

Does all this mean you can't bum a smoke from a 7 year old in the car now?

[alanzs]

Does all this mean you can't bum a smoke from a 7 year old in the car now?

It's a slippery slope... :woohoo:

[ManDownUnder]

Legislation was passed by a British council just this month that will prevent children being fostered into homes occupied by smokers Linky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/nov/05/fostering-smoking-ban). IMHO that is a tad near-sighted, considering that there may be some perfectly good foster homes where the adult smokers choose to partake in their habit exclusively outdoors.

I support it personally. If kids are going to grow up they SHOULD be free from the inhaled effects of smoking, but also the nomring effects of those demonstrating the act of smoking.

If one person can be prevented from smoking by simply putting them in a different house (for ease of argument assuming everything else is the same) then do it.

[Ixion]

So, would you then, by logical extension, support forcibly removing children from homes where their parents (otherwise happy, caring, nurturing, well adjusted etc) smoke? And putting them into the snake pit that is foster care ?

Like someone said, slippery slopes. I don't smoke myself, never have, but I don't agree with demonising those who do.

[Smokin]

Just ban children, They cause a lot more problems than smokers, They are more expensive, A much larger burden for tax payers and just think how much more money the health system would have without them.

[Mom]

I support it personally. If kids are going to grow up they SHOULD be free from the inhaled effects of smoking, but also the nomring effects of those demonstrating the act of smoking.

If one person can be prevented from smoking by simply putting them in a different house (for ease of argument assuming everything else is the same) then do it.

OOOOOOOOOO MDU, we may well have to agree to disagree on this one. I am a smoker, have been for more years than I care to admit. I have raised 3 wonderful kids and spent many years fostering some of the worst cases you could ever imagine. I smoke mate, I am not some sort of demon. I am considerate when I smoke (I hope so anyway). None of my three kids smoke, they hate it! Smoking is no reason to remove children from their family, in fact I will go as far as to say, my smoking was the least harmful thing my foster kids will ever experience in their lives.

I actually really get ticked at the holier than thou non smokers that are found around the place.

:love: Mom

[Madness]

If one person can be prevented from smoking by simply putting them in a different house (for ease of argument assuming everything else is the same) then do it.

Idealistically, that's a wonderful thought. Still seems terribly excessive to me though.

Consider young Johnny's parents die in a horrific hovercraft accident one day and the Authorities assume responsibililty for Johnny's welfare. There is a couple that live close to Johnny's home and were good friends to his late parents. They have wanted children for a long time but had been unable to conceive. The husband smokes, always outside and only a few each day. Because of this habit Johnny is prevented by law from being fostered by this couple and ends up in a foster home. There are several foster kids in this home and Johnny makes freinds with a couple of the other boys. They are both smokers and one day Johnny feels peer pressure to try it himself. The next day they boys are banging up some smack...

[Katman]

Read it on the internet this afternoon. While it's all very admirable (what with ban on smoking in public buildings etc - by extension, if we're going to "protect" non-smoking adults from the toxic byproducts from smokers shouldn't we also be doing our best to protect our kids...) where on earth is this going to stop???

The powers that be are even more determined to tell us how to live. What next? Will they be telling us that if we have children under the age of 10 living in our homes that we're not allowed to smoke there either???

Btw, am a non-smoker. Filthy disgusting habit!:sick: BUT I do care about people's rights not being overridden by what's fast becoming a totalitarian state. (hope that's the right "-ian" word!) I'm sure you know what I mean:yes:

Do you remember being cooped up in the back seat of the Morrie Traveller while Gran and Pop smoked up a storm in the front?

Ahhhh, memories.

[Indiana_Jones]

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Damn evil smoking companies!

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

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-Indy

[jrandom]

Misguided nanny-state bullshit.

Labour must go.

(For what it's worth, I don't allow anyone to smoke around my kids, car or otherwise. But that's my business, not the fucking Gubmint's.)

[1 Free Man]

Children should be encoraged to smoke. Cigarettes should be free issue at school. They need an opertunity to get as much crap in their lungs as the can. The tar in smokes helps to seal the lungs against all of the nasties that they will encounter in their adult lives.
They will need a good adiction. If it's nicotene then they will be less inclined to try P, pot or any of those other adictive goodies out there.
Their world is so PC nowdays. God they can't even read NODDY books so at the very least they should be able to have a nice relaxing smoke after a hard day at school.
LET THE KIDS BE KIDS. Stop trying to control there lives for fuck sake they will get enough of that later in life.
SMOKING ROCKS, IT MAKES YOU LOOK COOL. ALL KIDS WANT TO LOOK COOL.
Pharmac should subsidize ciggies to make the more affordable for children.
:done:

[Bren]

What gets me is us smokers are looked at as frikkin outlaws nowdays....FFS, I dont do weed, I dont drink much, I dont gamble much, but I like the odd smoke...And we are the ones targeted with the "disgusting" habbit. What is worse are seeing these frikkin kids get swilled up at night, going into town looking for fights etcetera and then chundering or pissing all over the place!....now that is disgusting, walking down some footpath on a saturday or sunday morning and seeing someones half digested stomach contents out on display!

I smoke, but not in my home. I have a right to smoke in my car if i want....

[sinfull]

OMG, I'm not even going to ask how you know that!! :eek: So ya moving to China ? Or better still .....
Lets see you in japan ! meet ya there, you go first, give ya time to aclimaticatise ! Where are we better off ? For now ?

Does all this mean you can't bum a smoke from a 7 year old in the car now? No ! but you can bum a fag !


What gets me is us smokers are looked at as frikkin outlaws nowdays....FFS, I dont do weed, I dont drink much, I dont gamble much, but I like the odd smoke...And we are the ones targeted with the "disgusting" habbit. What is worse are seeing these frikkin kids get swilled up at night, going into town looking for fights etcetera and then chundering or pissing all over the place!....now that is disgusting, walking down some footpath on a saturday or sunday morning and seeing someones half digested stomach contents out on display!

....
Ahah so you have seen Otaki ?

[sinfull]

Should get in now b4 the fag does ! yeah plenty of them on kb !
China ??? No human rights, Inhuman womans rights ! Japan No womans rights ! Why are we waiting for No Human rights in NZ ???? Cause we're apathetic prats that's why !!!
know any good burnout pads ????

[PrincessBandit]

Do you remember being cooped up in the back seat of the Morrie Traveller while Gran and Pop smoked up a storm in the front?

Ahhhh, memories.

I do indeed Steve. And they used to have the windows up! Gag gag. Guess they could be excused for ignorance back then, if not lack of consideration. Seems a lifetime ago eh.

[Maha]

I do indeed Steve. And they used to have the windows up! Gag gag. Guess they could be excused for ignorance back then, if not lack of consideration. Seems a lifetime ago eh.

It might have been weed and that would explain alot...........:laugh:

Just joking..... <_<

[ManDownUnder]

Like someone said, slippery slopes. I don't smoke myself, never have, but I don't agree with demonising those who do.

I have the usual "point and laugh" approach - much like I do with drunk people.


OOOOOOOOOO MDU, we may well have to agree to disagree on this one. ...

I actually really get ticked at the holier than thou non smokers that are found around the place.

:love: Mom

Done! More than happy to do that. Can't we have a childish hissy fit type falling out as well? It IS the KB way after all LOLOL!


Consider young Johnny's parents die in a horrific hovercraft accident one day and the Authorities assume responsibililty for Johnny's welfare.

Snippety snippety snip... yup...

My statement was that assuming all else was the same (i.e. the child was being fostered out either way, the ability of the individuals was the same, area being lived in was comparable, average daily temp, quality of toys at Christmas, attractive of favourite spinster Aunt after a few too many high octane egg nogs... etc etc etc...) I think a fostered child should go into a smoke free home.

I've lived in both, I've been under the care of two parents (in separate houses) one who smokes - the other who does not, and they both did a fantastic job of promoting a smoke free lifestyle, and the evils of smoking. That said - I'd prefer to spend time in the smoke free house.

That's NOT to say I prefer the company of the smoke free parent, but I think it'd be hard to argue my health was not affected, even to a small degree, by the presence of the various aromatic goodies smoke gives off.

I'm also a firm believer that kids model what they see done, rather than what they hear the should or should not do.

It's not a holier than though position (Mom...) - simply one of informed choice. I don't believe there's too much choice - or possibly that a simple choice exists - once smoking is taken up and the nicotine addiction is formed. I also don't believe little people can really make a truly informed choice when their role models are doing something, there will be peer pressue to do same and it's in the setting of a foster relationship which I know can be more challenging again, equating to stress, further increasing the chances of smoking.

Edit - re-reading the above - sounds like I was a fostered child - not so. But I was in a house where the occasional fostered child came through. I don't have a lot of experience - but I do have some.

[James Deuce]

In the UK that means that no kid will ever get a foster parent. Smoking and Drinking vastly outnumber Football and F1 as the major sedentary hobbies over there, with illicit drugs coming a close 3rd.

[Manxman]

Do you remember being cooped up in the back seat of the Morrie Traveller while Gran and Pop smoked up a storm in the front?

Ahhhh, memories.

I can recall sitting in room with a scouser workmate, who smoked perpetually. The room was not ventillated and there was always about two feet of the stuff hovering around the ceiling. As I was about 6ft tall, my head was always in the clouds. :spanking:

Imagine that these days...:no:

[Manxman]

The news last night stated that 96% of smokers agreed with a ban of smoking in cars.

Ok then (and let's assume for a minute that the media are correct for once), here's what I don't understand:

If that many people agree that smoking in their car is not good for their kids, why don't they just stop doing it. Why does some scientific knob and his billy no mates, have to pump for a law change. F.F.S

Better to educate and reinforce with smokers that the car is not the place to do it (there's already an ad to that effect on TV).

'Banning it' means in reality another nebulous law that the cops will have to enforce.

I'm not a smoker, therefore this doesn't even affect me, but I'm fecken ropable that - once again - the tail is wagging the dog in NZ. AAAARrgghhhh.:mad::mad::mad:

/rant over/ I need a ciggie...

[Fatt Max]

Btw, am a non-smoker. Filthy disgusting habit!:sick: BUT I do care about people's rights not being overridden by what's fast becoming a totalitarian state. (hope that's the right "-ian" word!) I'm sure you know what I mean:yes

I gave the smokes away 5 years ago when the wee man came along. I totally agree with your logic mate, well said

[PrincessBandit]

It might have been weed and that would explain alot...........:laugh:

Just joking..... <_<

Mwahahaha, even to this day I'm pretty sure my gran knows several kinds of weed (only none of them are of the smoking variety!!! :lol:) despite the likelihood of several of her grandchildren being imbibers (but not our side of the family of course!) hahaha

[1 Free Man]

What gets me is us smokers are looked at as frikkin outlaws nowdays....FFS, I dont do weed, I dont drink much, I dont gamble much, but I like the odd smoke...And we are the ones targeted with the "disgusting" habbit. What is worse are seeing these frikkin kids get swilled up at night, going into town looking for fights etcetera and then chundering or pissing all over the place!....now that is disgusting, walking down some footpath on a saturday or sunday morning and seeing someones half digested stomach contents out on display!

I smoke, but not in my home. I have a right to smoke in my car if i want....
Been up town on a saturday night in Otaki. Ha Ha Ha. :sick: :sick: Hasn't changed since I was a Kid in Otaki (some time last century). At least the JUBE was open in those days. Best place to get ya piss if you were under age.

[1 Free Man]

know any good burnout pads ????
Yeah Try the north end of Te Waka road. Always used to be a good spot.
May be a little built in now days.:clap:

[theblacksmith]

Ban the government!!!

[Ixion]

Better still, gov the bannermint.

[sinfull]

Haha lived on the corner of Te Waka and Addington for ten yrs ! Know the spot !

[Toaster]

I get sick of seeing smokers biffing their cigarettes out the window instead of using their own ashtray. PRICKS.

Next person I see do that in peak hour traffic will end up with the bloody thing coming back through their window.

[PrincessBandit]

I get sick of seeing smokers biffing their cigarettes out the window instead of using their own ashtray. PRICKS.

Next person I see do that in peak hour traffic will end up with the bloody thing coming back through their window.

A number of years ago a friend of mine was caught on the motorway by a ciggie butt tossed out the window of a car he was riding behind and it landed on his jacket. He couldn't swat it off and he was starting to panic as the fabric was starting to smoulder. Managed to get it off before the situation got worse. He was not a happy chappy!!

[Brooke]

I must admit that smoking in a car with Kids does suck but what are they going to do about it. They go and enforce an anti-smaking bill to try and stop child abuse but yet children still end up dying, yeah that worked didn't it!

[1 Free Man]

I must admit that smoking in a car with Kids does suck but what are they going to do about it. They go and enforce an anti-smaking bill to try and stop child abuse but yet children still end up dying, yeah that worked didn't it!
They could put those electronic chip thingies in the necks of all smokers that drive.
They stopped dogs biting people didn't they.??
Well didn't they. ???:doh:

[Toaster]

I must admit that smoking in a car with Kids does suck but what are they going to do about it. They go and enforce an anti-smaking bill to try and stop child abuse but yet children still end up dying, yeah that worked didn't it!

I remember growing up in a house filled with a layer of smoke. My clothes must have stunk of cigarettes at school.

I also remember sitting in the back seat of the cramped family car with watering eyes because of the smoke.

For the sake of kids (like I was) I could only hope something could change for those that cannot change the situation themselves.

17 years of passive smoking will not have served me well.

[Toaster]

A number of years ago a friend of mine was caught on the motorway by a ciggie butt tossed out the window of a car he was riding behind and it landed on his jacket. He couldn't swat it off and he was starting to panic as the fabric was starting to smoulder. Managed to get it off before the situation got worse. He was not a happy chappy!!

Much like a wasp trapped inside the visor!:crazy:

[MSTRS]

They could put those electronic chip thingies in the necks of all smokers that drive.
They stopped dogs biting people didn't they.??
Well didn't they. ???:doh:

And in the necks of those holier-than-thou non-smokers that want to tell me what to do in my own space.

[nodrog]

Who's done more research than the good people at the American Tobacco Industry? They say its harmless. Why would they lie? If you're dead, you can't smoke.

[Badjelly]

Better to educate and reinforce with smokers that the car is not the place to do it (there's already an ad to that effect on TV).

You know, some people think that the "educating" people is not a proper function of the Government.

[Badjelly]

I get sick of seeing smokers biffing their cigarettes out the window instead of using their own ashtray. PRICKS.
Burn them!

[1 Free Man]

And in the necks of those holier-than-thou non-smokers that want to tell me what to do in my own space.
Don't get ya knikers in a knot buddy. I was a smoker for 35 years + . Far be it for me to tell you what to do in your own space. Go and smoke yourself to death see if I care.. I don't give a flying fuck really.:laugh:

[Beemer]

I'd be happy if they banned smoking full stop - or kids for that matter.

[Blossom]

A number of years ago a friend of mine was caught on the motorway by a ciggie butt tossed out the window of a car he was riding behind and it landed on his jacket. He couldn't swat it off and he was starting to panic as the fabric was starting to smoulder. Managed to get it off before the situation got worse. He was not a happy chappy!!

And one has to wonder how many smokers who smoke in their cars actually use their ashtrays judging by the ammount of times we see butts thrown out the window.

Your mate is certainly not the only one this has happened to either.. a wee 4mth old got hurt recently by someone biffing a butt out their window.
link (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4748356a11.html)

[Madness]

Here (http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/news/stories/200811/s2419378.htm) is an example of why governments shouldn't fuck with smokers.

That's not smoke btw, it's tear gas.

[Sparrowhawk]

The news last night stated that 96% of smokers agreed with a ban of smoking in cars.

Ok then (and let's assume for a minute that the media are correct for once), here's what I don't understand:


LOL! Let's remember that Assumption makes a Ass out of You and Umption.

Most smokers I know light a smoke right after they turn the engine on. Me included.

Yes I smoke. Yes, I smoked in my car (when I had one). Ooooh, I must be bad. Hang on, there were no kids in that car... the child seats didn't fit in it.

Bit hard now, haven't worked out how to light a smoke while riding the bike!

Seriously though, someone recently proposed a good idea. Currently, if you're trying to give up smoking, you'll be going fine. As long as you don't think about it. Until you need petrol. So you wander up to the counter to pay for your gas, and right there is a WHOLE WALL OF FUCKING SMOKES!!!! AARGH I NEED ONE!!! (I think you get the message). Someone recently said that the smokes will have to be out of sight (therefore out of mind). Finally, a good idea. :clap: