Sorry Katman, but fu@king cagers!

[PrincessBandit]

This afternoon RipperRoo92 and I went out for a nice pootle through Maraetai/Whitford (one of our fav runs) with a young fellow, just on his L plate. Only his 3rd time out on the road so we had him in between us, with me as TEC. (hahaha that way keep an eye on both the boys...) Anyway, all was sweet until we got to the overtaking lane just outside of Whitford. Would have been about 5.15 ish. There had been nothing close behind us for some way but as we were almost at the end of the passing section i could see a car coming up REALLY fast behind me. I moved a little closer to the newbie to protect his tail but this fucking car screamed past (by now the overtaking lane had well and truly run out) and then by squeezing in between me and the L plater had to slam on his brakes so hard I thought he was going to hit the young fellow. Only a short distance along Mr. rego plate ER...837 was chased by another idiot in a white WRX in a similarly stupid passing tizzy. I made sure I was positioned so they could see the L plate in front of me but they obviously "didn't see it" or were prime examples of the morons that L plates attract.
I did briefly consider chasing after the pricks to give them a piece of my mind but then thought it would be a better example not to and just have a chat with the young fellow later about the wankwits facts of life that you sometimes have to put up with when you're on two wheels.
Rant over.
p.s. thanks to the lovely biker who did pass us all in hops a bit further on from Whitford and gave us each a little wave of acknowledgment (yes, the polite wave, not a rude one!) as he passed. Someone who understood what we were doing, i.e. riding to the comfort zone of the newbie.

[devnull]

More justification for handguns on bikes...

If common sense doesn't make them drive with care, maybe fear will

[Fatt Max]

This afternoon RipperRoo92 and I went out for a nice pootle through Maraetai/Whitford (one of our fav runs) with a young fellow, just on his L plate. Only his 3rd time out on the road so we had him in between us, with me as TEC. (hahaha that way keep an eye on both the boys...) Anyway, all was sweet until we got to the overtaking lane just outside of Whitford. Would have been about 5.15 ish. There had been nothing close behind us for some way but as we were almost at the end of the passing section i could see a car coming up REALLY fast behind me. I moved a little closer to the newbie to protect his tail but this fucking car screamed past (by now the overtaking lane had well and truly run out) and then by squeezing in between me and the L plater had to slam on his brakes so hard I thought he was going to hit the young fellow. Only a short distance along Mr. rego plate ER...837 was chased by another idiot in a white WRX in a similarly stupid passing tizzy. I made sure I was positioned so they could see the L plate in front of me but they obviously "didn't see it" or were prime examples of the morons that L plates attract.
I did briefly consider chasing after the pricks to give them a piece of my mind but then thought it would be a better example not to and just have a chat with the young fellow later about the wankwits facts of life that you sometimes have to put up with when you're on two wheels.
Rant over.
p.s. thanks to the lovely biker who did pass us all in hops a bit further on from Whitford and gave us each a little wave of acknowledgment (yes, the polite wave, not a rude one!) as he passed. Someone who understood what we were doing, i.e. riding to the comfort zone of the newbie.

Great respect for what you did mate.

I live out that way and have an L plate myself, All these drivers are young rich kids hooning around the countryside in mummys souped up what ever. You were right not to go a chasing as they could have turned nasty then threaten you with their daddy who is a lawyer or something.

I used to run the security guards at a shopping centre out east and most of the tossers we got for petty car crime, tagging etc were exactly these kind of doughnuts and yes, I even got threatened with the lawyer daddy as well. Needless to say, if they pulled that one on me I used to slap them across the head and send them down the police station.

You did good mate, well done :2thumbsup

[Lord Derosso]

I have been riding since I was about 10 so thats close to 40 years now. I have NEVER had a car licence. I have had numerous bikes and was once a star struck kid on my first 100, 250, 360, 500, 750, etc etc but I have to admit that the cagers are really far worse now than 20 years ago. I took a break off bikes the last 18 mths and have just got my 800VN V twin which is the Kawie Vulcan lookalike HD after having a full fairing katana 600. I took her for a first decent ride through Haywards hill here in Welllington about lunchtime today, about a 80 km cruise. After the full faired Katana I was amazed how close I how have got back to my roots and why I rode in the first place BUT do you think cruising at 90-115 is OK for those F'ink cars? Why are they all in such a rush when a mile later theres a line of them and they cant pass? Fink idiots. I dont wear watches but I do understand Peter Fondas scene a lot more now. Why ride if you are in a rush? GET A FIRKIN CAR !! And kill bikers.................

[JimO]

my wife (who also rides the raptor) was tailgated by a dickdead on a harley for a couple of ks today he was sitting about 1 meter off the bumper of my sons honda prelude, plenty of opportunity to pass but just sat there being a cunt...........some bike riders are fuckwits as well...she was on the verge of standing on the brake pedal to give the halfwit a fright when he turned off

[Pedrostt500]

Ive said this plenty of times in here on various threads, " When you desighn some thing to be fool proof, some one is out there building a bigger and better Idiot".

[martybabe]

All these drivers are young rich kids hanging around the countryside
:2thumbs up

Some yoof of my daughters acquaintance got done for racing on the road this week, drove into a brick wall and mashed his whatever.

His Father seems to think the correct response to this behaviour is to buy the boy a new car, so he has. :shit:

I'm not singling out Boy racers, idiots come in all shapes and sizes but where is the lesson learned, where are the consequences for his actions, Dad gets him a better car, I despair.

There are people on our roads that literally don't give a fook what they do and it's blardy scary man.

Well done Princess, you did the right thing. :niceone:

[Gummie]

:Offtopic: looking to make that my first longish ride. out through clevedon back through brookby, would it be better done with someone??:bye:

[Ixion]

:Offtopic: looking to make that my first longish ride. out through clevedon back through brookby, would it be better done with someone??:bye:

Yes. It would.

[Swoop]

His Father seems to think the correct response to this behaviour is to buy the boy a new car, so he has.
Hopefully it is a Morris Minor...

[martybabe]

Hopefully it is a Morris Minor...

Yeah, be a nice thought but it would still have a bloody dustbin exhaust, cause every body needs to know he's in the neighbourhood apparently. I'd be gutted if he'd driven through and I didn't know. :Pokey:

[MotoKuzzi]

This afternoon RipperRoo92 and I went out for a nice pootle through Maraetai/Whitford (one of our fav runs) with a young fellow, just on his L plate. Only his 3rd time out on the road so we had him in between us, with me as TEC. (hahaha that way keep an eye on both the boys...) Anyway, all was sweet until we got to the overtaking lane just outside of Whitford. Would have been about 5.15 ish. There had been nothing close behind us for some way but as we were almost at the end of the passing section i could see a car coming up REALLY fast behind me. I moved a little closer to the newbie to protect his tail but this fucking car screamed past (by now the overtaking lane had well and truly run out) and then by squeezing in between me and the L plater had to slam on his brakes so hard I thought he was going to hit the young fellow. Only a short distance along Mr. rego plate ER...837 was chased by another idiot in a white WRX in a similarly stupid passing tizzy. I made sure I was positioned so they could see the L plate in front of me but they obviously "didn't see it" or were prime examples of the morons that L plates attract.
I did briefly consider chasing after the pricks to give them a piece of my mind but then thought it would be a better example not to and just have a chat with the young fellow later about the wankwits facts of life that you sometimes have to put up with when you're on two wheels.
Rant over.
p.s. thanks to the lovely biker who did pass us all in hops a bit further on from Whitford and gave us each a little wave of acknowledgment (yes, the polite wave, not a rude one!) as he passed. Someone who understood what we were doing, i.e. riding to the comfort zone of the newbie.

All good intentions aside, it seems to me by moving closer to cover the L riders tail you removed the over taking drivers slot, but hey I wasn't there and can't visualise it that well.

[CookMySock]

I have always done the exact same thing with my newbies, but I wonder if we might be better off to just spread out so the idiot cagers can do their stupidity with a bit more room. Then maybe they wont shoulder their way through so dangerously.

Shrug.. was just wonderin..

Steve

[PrincessBandit]

All good intentions aside, it seems to me by moving closer to cover the L riders tail you removed the over taking drivers slot, but hey I wasn't there and can't visualise it that well.
I hear ya, but mate the gap was going to be real tight even if I hadn't moved. My decision was based on my immediate evaluation of the situation that there wasn't an available gap for the car. He was just determined to shove in and make one.

I have always done the exact same thing with my newbies, but I wonder if we might be better off to just spread out so the idiot cagers can do their stupidity with a bit more room. Then maybe they wont should their way through so dangerously.

Shrug.. was just wonderin..

Steve
See my answer above Steve. Guess when you're with a newbie you want to help protect them as much as is in your power to do so; but some riders/drivers use the road in such a way that you're stuffed no matter what you do eh.

[CookMySock]

See my answer above Steve. Guess when you're with a newbie you want to help protect them as much as is in your power to do so; but some riders/drivers use the road in such a way that you're stuffed no matter what you do eh.Yeah, its a tough call Miss. :doh:

Good on ya for being out there doing it with them though - that counts for a lot.

best,
Steve

[dangerous]

I moved a little closer to the newbie to protect his tail

To be honest not something I would reconmend... you both could have been taken out, bikes spaced out is safer and in general looks bigger on the road so makes cages more awear.

Yesterday I was coaching, and sat 100m behind the newbee, not only is this safer but it takes pressure off the learner and they can relax more know they have space. All IMHO

[ynot slow]

Tough desision re closer or further away,and with a split second to think about it.That is the tough part the time to react.

Somehow you can't help thinking we need a few large paddocks to let all drivers have a play,can remember that when I was 15 or so,friends had a few flat acres to play in,especially after haymaking when paddocks are mowed.The neighbours oldest son let us have a play in his mk 2 escort,handbrakes,crossed up moves all in controlled area,well unless ya got close to the fences,worked well with the ts185 and dt175 at the time too.

Sure I like to let the XR6 go slide ways if no cars are around,and a quiet road and doing it from a standing start,but not at every corner.

Be interesting the crash stats from under 20yr drivers,either fatal or non injury,and the link to type of car,reckon the so called 4wd safe type will be top of the list,mostly evo or wrx.Wouldn't be many so called standard 4wd on the list,the reason we have the 250 learners class is to learn ,why not similar for cars whilst learning.

[madbikeboy]

I was chatting to a SGT who stopped a heap of us on SH16 over the weekend, I was complaining about the boy racers who use our area (winding road in the East Coast Bays) as a racetrack. The cops view was simple, he believed that if compulsary 3rd Party insurance was required, then most of the boy racer cars would not get insurance, and therefore be unable to drive on the road. It would price them out of the equation.

I like the idea of everyone having compulsary insurance anyhow...

As for Daddy buying Jonny a better car, cool, more chance that this time he'll do the job properly and the gene pool will be cleansed.

[CookMySock]

The cops view was simple, he believed that if compulsary 3rd Party insurance was required, then most of the boy racer cars would not get insurance, and therefore be unable to drive on the road. It would price them out of the equation.While I do not disagree with you, what about my 15 y/o son? Has his own after-school job, saves up seven grand, buys black GT250R, top of his year academically, super nice kid, uber-responsible, young-achievers award, takes great care with others rights, feelings, and property. Unlikely he could afford even 3rd party, and there would be no point as the excess would be enormous.

It is fine to want a simple solution, but there will be side-effects.

Steve

[slimjim]

yes i won't have closed in on the gap...i would have moved slightly wider to cover the prick from scarying the newbe..sticking glove outwards to ..to enlighten behind vehicle that it needs to give clearance is another sign too...and if its dangerous...all pull over safetly an dail though the plate...fuck its a right use it..

[The Pastor]

I was chatting to a SGT who stopped a heap of us on SH16 over the weekend, I was complaining about the boy racers who use our area (winding road in the East Coast Bays) as a racetrack. The cops view was simple, he believed that if compulsary 3rd Party insurance was required, then most of the boy racer cars would not get insurance, and therefore be unable to drive on the road. It would price them out of the equation.

I like the idea of everyone having compulsary insurance anyhow...

As for Daddy buying Jonny a better car, cool, more chance that this time he'll do the job properly and the gene pool will be cleansed.
because boy racers abide by all road laws

[Slyer]

While I do not disagree with you, what about my 15 y/o son? Has his own after-school job, saves up seven grand, buys black GT250R, top of his year academically, super nice kid, uber-responsible, young-achievers award, takes great care with others rights, feelings, and property. Unlikely he could afford even 3rd party, and there would be no point as the excess would be enormous.

It is fine to want a simple solution, but there will be side-effects.

Steve
Third party is like $80 for a whole year. :rolleyes:
It is VERY worth it, I'd agree with compulsory third party.

Whatever the excess is it'll sure beat paying whatever damage you cause to those expensive cars out there.

[Badjelly]

While I do not disagree with you, what about my 15 y/o son? Has his own after-school job, saves up seven grand, buys black GT250R, top of his year academically, super nice kid, uber-responsible, young-achievers award, takes great care with others rights, feelings, and property. Unlikely he could afford even 3rd party, and there would be no point as the excess would be enormous.

Perhaps he could buy a car with cheaper 3rd party insurance rates?

[Badjelly]

Third party is like $80 for a whole year.

Sorry, I didn't notice this before posting my previous message.


Really? For a 15 year old with a boy racer car?

[Slyer]

For my 250 on my learners it was $72.
His son has a 250 not a boyracer.

[Badjelly]

RE the original issue, I'm sure the guy was an idiot, but I think closing the gap on an overtaking vehicle is always a bad idea.

[McDuck]

I want gloves with titanium knuckels ;)

[Slyer]

The other day I was going along a long straight at about 90 with a few cars in front of me.
On the other side of the road was a passing lane, no cars in sight. The lines are white so I go to pass on their passing lane when some boy racer comes around the corner coming straight at me.
I'm thinking oh yeah he'll realise he's meant to keep left and get out of my way. Does he? NO.
Nearly fucking takes me out...

[pritch]

I want gloves with titanium knuckels ;)

I'd kinda like those too, Dainese do some, but I was put off by the bright yellow colour...

[Badjelly]

Third party is like $80 for a whole year.


Really? For a 15 year old with a boy racer car?


For my 250 on my learners it was $72.
His son has a 250 not a boyracer.

I was thinking of DB's son who, he says, would be hit hard if 3rd party were compulsory.

[McDuck]

I'd kinda like those too, Dainese do some, but I was put off by the bright yellow colour...

We should get quasi to make us some :)

[Slyer]

I was thinking of DB's son who, he says, would be hit hard if 3rd party were compulsory.
And I'm saying he won't be hit hard.

[McDuck]

I got full cover for the katan for around 200 bucks per year. The only dissadvatage was an excess of around $1200 which was the same as my car. If you dont drive like a cock (or get caught driving like a cock) you should be fine.

[Tank]

While I do not disagree with you, what about my 15 y/o son? Has his own after-school job, saves up seven grand, buys black GT250R, top of his year academically, super nice kid, uber-responsible, young-achievers award, takes great care with others rights, feelings, and property. Unlikely he could afford even 3rd party, and there would be no point as the excess would be enormous.

It is fine to want a simple solution, but there will be side-effects.

Steve

So you son - who 'cannot afford' insurance causes an accident (it can happen to anyone), and does many '000's of damage to someones car.

The other persons insurance pays but then comes after your son. You son who cannot afford to pay it has judgements placed against him, fucking his credit and ends up unable to get a mortgage etc etc.

All the time the debt is getting larger and larger due to intrest and it takes him 10 years to pay it off.

It is typical small small minded thinking that "he cant afford" to ride uninsured - the truth of the matter is that he cannot afford to ride without it.

[madbikeboy]

When I think about this from a pragmatic view, the ideal of 3rd party actually still makes sense. Regardless of your son's personal position, I think it's a responsibility of each person to ensure (insure) that they can rectify damages in the event of a crash.

In the early 1990's, a schoolgirl from EGGs wrote off a Ferrari in her old bomb, and can you imagine how long it would take to pay off $500k in old money?

Point is, and I'm not lecturing, it's always been drummed into me that you can only afford the bike that you can insure. 3rd party is cheap, even for youngin's if they're riding something reasonable - and if they're Carver riding a GSXR1000 at age 20, then they're likely on the wrong bike anyhow.

Finally, and not to stretch the point, even if the excess is $2000, it's cheaper than replacing the bumper on a Lamborghini Diablo($20k), the door on an S8 ($6k), or the airbags in a small BMW ($8k)....

[PrincessBandit]

In regard to third party insurance, I support it from this perspective: If I am on the receiving end of someone elses stuff up why should my insurance have to cover it, losing my no claims bonus etc. Or this scenario, worse still, I have no insurance (because I can't afford it) and am hit by another person who also has no insurance - why am I left out of pocket for something that I didn't cause? It might seem hard, but if you want to have the wheels you should also factor in the extra expenses that go with that. There is more to owning a vehicle than just paying the dosh to get the ownership papers and ignition key.

[CookMySock]

And I'm saying he won't be hit hard.Well to be fair, it was an assumption. We didn't even look up what it would cost.

The main reason we didn't insure him, is so he was forced to reconcile the concept of "What ever I break - I pay for." While many people are happy to cover their risk by purchasing a policy, life in general doesnt rotate in this fashion, so it was an important basic fundamental to get well-seated into his mind. You can be sure he feels this in his heart every time he rides his bike, and the results of this are directly observable in his behaviour on the road - a trait I wanted to set in concrete before we even put a helmet on him, and I think I have succeeded. If my hunch is correct I will have permanently built a responsible rider. I guess we will see.

Anyways, time for a hijack alert, as our dear PB's thread is getting quite off-topic.

My point was, not all teenagers are assholes. I have met PBs kids and she has met mine, and I think we are both exceedingly grateful for the responsible kids we have - they have an excellent chance of still being alive in 20 years. It's scary to have the less responsible act dangerously around us.

With regard to the problem at hand, if said clown is going to dangerously pass me regardless (on duty as tail-end-charlie) I usually do a large exaggerated finger-point at them and then at the L-Plate, and then move out of their way and let them do as they choose. I have not had a failure with this method yet, and it is certainly much safer than closing up the gap and going into mother-hen mode, which as has been observed bunches the traffic up dangerously.


IMO,
Steve

[Tank]

The main reason we didn't insure him, is so he was forced to reconcile the concept of "What ever I break - I pay for." While many people are happy to cover their risk by purchasing a policy, life in general doesnt rotate in this fashion, so it was an important basic fundamental to get well-seated into his mind. You can be sure he feels this in his heart every time he rides his bike, and the results of this are directly observable in his behaviour on the road - a trait I wanted to set in concrete before we even put a helmet on him, and I think I have succeeded. If my hunch is correct I will have permanently built a responsible rider. I guess we will see.


Doesnt matter if he IS a responsible rider - accidents DO happen. I think your advise to your child about riding uninsured is short sighted and incredibly poor advise to give to a child.

Its all well to teach personal responsibility - but what happens if the responsibility of the fix is financially outside the ability of your child.?

"What he breaks - he fixes" - how the fuck can a 15 yo kid fix 40k of someone else's property - he cannot.

SO - DB - If you son has the misfortune to be in the wrong and causes an accident - and does 40k's worth of damage - what are you going to tell him????

oh thats right - lie, and hide like a bitch:


Ah that sucks bro. Yeah bikes are for goofing off on, and sometimes we screw it up - thems the breaks! This time you got off lightly.

Right, any damage to anyone else ? Any liability ? If so, deny everything and refuse to discuss the accident with anyone. Disappear into the long grass, and say nothing. Fix your own bike with your own money, and let your sore knee mend itself etc. If anyone wants to knock on your door and talk about the incident, tell them they are at the wrong place. If the feds turn up, tell them u dunno jack about that, and shut the door and go back to what you were doing. Letter from some insurance company demanding payment? bew hew hew, chuck it in the bin. Life goes on. Dont FFS admit the whole thing to the feds in the hope things will be better..

Seriously - is that the kind of person you want your child to grow up like?

So what is it DB (and have the decency to reply) - you teaching personal responsibility - or just a veneer of it being your responsible for your own shit and lie, hide and hope.

[Tank]

Typical - no reply huh!

Im guessing you go with the run, lie hide and hope.

Top values there to teach ya kid DB. Hope you understand how annoying it is when someone does the same to you.

[Pixie]

So you son - who 'cannot afford' insurance causes an accident (it can happen to anyone), and does many '000's of damage to someones car.

The other persons insurance pays but then comes after your son. You son who cannot afford to pay it has judgements placed against him, fucking his credit and ends up unable to get a mortgage etc etc.

All the time the debt is getting larger and larger due to intrest and it takes him 10 years to pay it off.

It is typical small small minded thinking that "he cant afford" to ride uninsured - the truth of the matter is that he cannot afford to ride without it.

And "causing an accident" can be something like dropping the bike on a corner,which then slides across the road and takes out someones Aston Martin

[Dragon]

I'm a young person (18) that doesn't always go slow and I don't have a light foot but I am aware of what else is on the road. But one thing I never do is ride/drive without insurance I have full cover on my car and it's $1800 a year. Recently have pulled head in for verious reasons.

[Katman]

Typical - no reply huh!

Im guessing you go with the run, lie hide and hope.

Top values there to teach ya kid DB. Hope you understand how annoying it is when someone does the same to you.

Man, I am looking forward to seeing him try to answer that one.

Nice find Tank.

:rofl:

[jrandom]

Well to be fair, it was an assumption. We didn't even look up what it would cost.

Jesus H. Christ. You really are an idiot.

Y'know, I know it makes you sad, and I would like to not have to repeatedly point out in public that you are a mouth-breathing moron, but you just make that impossible.

Third-party insurance is two or three hundred dollars per year, tops. Most probably less. If your kid could save up for the bike, he can afford insurance.

You really are a bit... fucked in the head, aren't you? As in not quite aligned with reality.

[Tank]

Man, I am looking forward to seeing him try to answer that one.

Nice find Tank.

:rofl:

I don't think we will see a reply - he 'red repped' me saying he wont be posting in here and called me a troll.

See - he is tough.

[dipshit]

The main reason we didn't insure him, is so he was forced to reconcile the concept of "What ever I break - I pay for." While many people are happy to cover their risk by purchasing a policy, life in general doesnt rotate in this fashion, so it was an important basic fundamental to get well-seated into his mind. You can be sure he feels this in his heart every time he rides his bike, and the results of this are directly observable in his behaviour.....


....blar blar blar... wank wank wank.


The responsible thing to do is to have at lest third-party insurance. If you carn't afford it then no ride the bike. :weird:

If he crashes then he will have to pay more for his insurance next time... and so on and so on untill he can no longer afford insurance... so no ride da bike/drive da car.

That is the whole idear of keeping the fuckwits off the roads!

[CookMySock]

....blar blar blar... wank wank wank.

[....]

That is the whole idear of keeping the fuckwits off the roads!Re-read my post. The whole point was, he's not a fuckwit, and there are plenty out there, and plenty of really dangerous ones too.

I'm not going to be baited into a slinging match in PB's thread. You go ahead and do what is right for your life. Make your own choices, go your own places, and have your own consequences - thats what freedom is all about. My actions don't cause you any consequences at all, except to ignite your wrath, but hey its your heart attack, not mine - die early at your own hand.

Any forum on the internet is not a place for fighting, its a place for like-minded people to exchange ideas and make friends. It's pretty clear some people don't like some of my ideas, and it must be clear to you the reverse is true, so why fight it?

I'm not going to fight you online. I have more interesting things to do IRL.

Steve

[fireliv]

All for Compulsory 3rd party, as long as the insurance companies dont purposely make it harder to get insurance since they would have a monopoly hold.

I would never ever go without insurance. NEVER. A while back I had a ding with a 2007 BMW convertable thing in the cage. No damage to me, but the BMW had damage to the corner and the bonnet. It only cost me a couple of hundy, but I prob did 2-3K worth of damage.

A few weeks after this I was listening to a case at court, where this chick was contesting a careless driving charge. She didnt have a defense at all, but her main reason for contesting it was that she was an uninsured driver who had crashed into a high costing sports car doing $40000 worth of damage. Her only hope was to be found not guilty of the charge (which she wasnt) or spend the rest of her life paying it off.

[Slyer]

Re-read my post. The whole point was, he's not a fuckwit, and there are plenty out there, and plenty of really dangerous ones too.

I'm not going to be baited into a slinging match in PB's thread. You go ahead and do what is right for your life. Make your own choices, go your own places, and have your own consequences - thats what freedom is all about. My actions don't cause you any consequences at all, except to ignite your wrath, but hey its your heart attack, not mine - die early at your own hand.

Any forum on the internet is not a place for fighting, its a place for like-minded people to exchange ideas and make friends. It's pretty clear some people don't like some of my ideas, and it must be clear to you the reverse is true, so why fight it?

I'm not going to fight you online. I have more interesting things to do IRL.

Steve

The point of forums is discussion.
Nobody is required to accept your opinions, you are expected to defend them however.

[jrandom]

... why fight it?

Because some 'ideas' cause real harm when allowed to propagate.

[CookMySock]

she was an uninsured driver who had crashed into a high costing sports car doing $40000 worth of damage. Her only hope was to be found not guilty of the charge (which she wasnt) or spend the rest of her life paying it off.Yeah thats a really nasty lesson for anyone.


Nobody is required to accept your opinionsOf course! None of my opinions are facts. Take what you want from it, or nothing at all. It's a free internet.


you are expected to defend them however.I do not care what I am "expected" to do. I will do as I choose, just like you will, and if you don't - you should. Really... live your own life.


Because some 'ideas' cause real harm when allowed to propagate.Yeah but then only YOUR ideas get to propagate.

This is PB's thread. We're off topic. I'm out. Its called respect.

Steve

[dipshit]

Re-read my post. The whole point was, he's not a fuckwit,

Then he won't have any problem affording insurance. It will only penalize those with bad driving records.

Your little angel shouldn't have any problem then.

[jrandom]

Yeah but then only YOUR ideas get to propagate.

You're welcome to offer arguments against them if you can.


Its called respect.

In your case, it's called "talking complete bollocks, and then realising too late that it was unsupportable".

[sunhuntin]

lol, jr. couldnt agree more!

[Tank]

What's really sad is that he still wont answer the question.

Makes me think he really would take the gutless run and hide approach and to hell with the poor bastard he hit, and would encourage his son to do the same.

People who are cowards like that really piss me off.

Pathetic really as Im sure he would be the first to waaaaaa(tm) if someone did it to them.

[Speedracer]

My experience with 3rd party

Go to AA, ask for insurance on my bike (NS250R). "Sorry you need a full license or the license for 4 years" (I thought they said a full license for 4 years initially!)

Now I have my full, 3 years on and I went to the AA again. "Sorry you need to have your bike stored in a garage that is locked before we will give you 3rd party"

So no, I've never had even 3rd party on my bikes. Yes I might run into a lamborghini diablo's bumper but there's probably the same chance of winning lotto sadly.

[Tank]

My experience with 3rd party

Go to AA, ask for insurance on my bike (NS250R). "Sorry you need a full license or the license for 4 years" (I thought they said a full license for 4 years initially!)

Now I have my full, 3 years on and I went to the AA again. "Sorry you need to have your bike stored in a garage that is locked before we will give you 3rd party"

So no, I've never had even 3rd party on my bikes. Yes I might run into a lamborghini diablo's bumper but there's probably the same chance of winning lotto sadly.

There are plenty of places that will insure you.

Heck - I had an exemption - so I did my learners on a 600cc $11.5k bike. had been riding for 2.5 months and full cover was only $650.

Simple really, phone around.

As for hitting a Lambos bumper - you dont have to - there are plenty of $100k + cars on the road that are expensive to repair.

Heck a BMW X5 wing mirror is around 5k (so I read on here somewhere)

[blairh]

I've got full insurance on my ninja, with a learners license, never had a bike before, for under $400/yr. Only have to drop it once and it's paid for itself.. let alone if you hit someone else. I'd never ride (or drive my car for that matter) without insurance, it's just not worth it...

People just need to factor in insurance as one of the costs of having a bike - the bike itself, the gear, the gas, the maintenance, the insurance... it's all important!

[Katman]

This is PB's thread. We're off topic. I'm out. Its called respect.


Don't be ridiculous. I'm sure PB is just as interested as the rest of us to find out how you could possibly reconcile your two conflicting posts that Tank has quoted.

[scumdog]

My experience with 3rd party

Go to AA, ask for insurance on my bike (NS250R). "Sorry you need a full license or the license for 4 years" (I thought they said a full license for 4 years initially!)

Now I have my full, 3 years on and I went to the AA again. "Sorry you need to have your bike stored in a garage that is locked before we will give you 3rd party"

So no, I've never had even 3rd party on my bikes. Yes I might run into a lamborghini diablo's bumper but there's probably the same chance of winning lotto sadly.


Sound more like you were asking for Full AND third party insurance.
After all, why would it make any difference whether your bike was stored in a garage that was locked etc - it's really only when you're riding it that you're ever going to hit another vehicle/property and need third party insurance, am I right or did I miss something?:crazy:

[swbarnett]

The other day I was going along a long straight at about 90 with a few cars in front of me.
On the other side of the road was a passing lane, no cars in sight. The lines are white so I go to pass on their passing lane when some boy racer comes around the corner coming straight at me.
I'm thinking oh yeah he'll realise he's meant to keep left and get out of my way. Does he? NO.
Nearly fucking takes me out...
It sounds to me like you were overtaking on a blind corner. Could you see that the lane was clear for the entire length you would need it to pass?

[Slyer]

It sounds to me like you were overtaking on a blind corner. Could you see that the lane was clear for the entire length you would need it to pass?
On a long straight as I said.
If there were two cars I would not have attempted said passing maneuver in case one of them wanted to pass.

[swbarnett]

On a long straight as I said.
Sorry, missed that bit. I'll go back to sleep now...

[hayd3n]

if everyone had 3rd party wouldent it make insurence cheaper ???
as we dont have to pay for non insurers???

[Slyer]

I get the feeling that the price may increase if it were compulsory, maybe?

[Tank]

if everyone had 3rd party wouldent it make insurence cheaper ???
as we dont have to pay for non insurers???


I get the feeling that the price may increase if it were compulsory, maybe?

I would think that it would be cheaper - but who knows. One would hope that the same legislation that is past to make it compulsory would also include parts to prevent the insurance companies from profiteering.

Having said that in the UK where it is required - a LOT of people are priced out of their cars due to insurance. I had two cars (not at the same time) that were over 3000 POUNDS to insure a year - limited miles, always garaged and outside London. thieving bastards.

[ital916]

Well to be fair, it was an assumption. We didn't even look up what it would cost.

The main reason we didn't insure him, is so he was forced to reconcile the concept of "What ever I break - I pay for." While many people are happy to cover their risk by purchasing a policy, life in general doesnt rotate in this fashion, so it was an important basic fundamental to get well-seated into his mind. You can be sure he feels this in his heart every time he rides his bike, and the results of this are directly observable in his behaviour on the road - a trait I wanted to set in concrete before we even put a helmet on him, and I think I have succeeded. If my hunch is correct I will have permanently built a responsible rider. I guess we will see.

Anyways, time for a hijack alert, as our dear PB's thread is getting quite off-topic.

My point was, not all teenagers are assholes. I have met PBs kids and she has met mine, and I think we are both exceedingly grateful for the responsible kids we have - they have an excellent chance of still being alive in 20 years. It's scary to have the less responsible act dangerously around us.

With regard to the problem at hand, if said clown is going to dangerously pass me regardless (on duty as tail-end-charlie) I usually do a large exaggerated finger-point at them and then at the L-Plate, and then move out of their way and let them do as they choose. I have not had a failure with this method yet, and it is certainly much safer than closing up the gap and going into mother-hen mode, which as has been observed bunches the traffic up dangerously.


IMO,
Steve

Man I just found this thread.....db no offence but that is one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard, its like teching a child gun safety by letting them play with one. If they blow their foot off, whoops now you know guns can be dangerous.

Your son sounds like a very intelligent child so hopefully he turns around and goes "dad, what the fuck are you on about, I'll take the insurance and ride like a responsible rider"

[Speedracer]

Sound more like you were asking for Full AND third party insurance.
After all, why would it make any difference whether your bike was stored in a garage that was locked etc - it's really only when you're riding it that you're ever going to hit another vehicle/property and need third party insurance, am I right or did I miss something?:crazy:

they only do 3rd party fire and theft, not just third party.

[Sly_guy]

I was absolutely astounded when I moved here from the UK to find that I can quite happily go out, and buy any car, and so long as it's got rego and wof, and drive down the road....

In the UK, having at least 3rd party insurance is AS important as having the car Taxed and MOT'd (and a FULL LEGAL REQUIREMENT)... and this is one of the few things I VERY much agree with that the "establishment" have enforced over there !

It actually scares me, that someone could run in to a vehicle of mine, causing lots of $$$ of damage, and I'll end up having to claim off my own insurance, and paying an increased premium and the excess as they can't afford to pay for the damage.

The reality as I see it,,, and this may be a bit of a generalisation, but, if you can't afford 3rd party insurance, then you're VERY unlikley to be able to afford the $$$$'s of repairs to whatever vehicle you have an accident with..

Again, as others have said.. The cost of insurance really needs to be factored in to the ownership of ANY vehicle... Regardless of age, height, gender and sexuality...

[Sparrowhawk]

This afternoon RipperRoo92 and I went out for a nice pootle through Maraetai/Whitford (one of our fav runs) with a young fellow, just on his L plate.

Sorry to head back TOWARDS the original topic... :innocent:
PB, I'm thinking of taking an L Plater on that road on Friday. Last time I was on it, about a month ago, they'd ripped up the road between Beachlands & Maraetai, was rough gravel. I don't think my darling wife (the L plater in question) will enjoy that much... :angry:

Do you know if the roadworks are finished??

[Sly_guy]

PB, I'm thinking of taking an L Plater on that road on Friday. Last time I was on it, about a month ago, they'd ripped up the road between Beachlands & Maraetai, was rough gravel. I don't think my darling wife (the L plater in question) will enjoy that much... :angry:

Do you know if the roadworks are finished??

I was out that way last friday, and other than a bit just near the roundabout at beechlands, it's pretty much sorted ! :)

[PrincessBandit]

Yeah, it was pretty rough a few months back!! But mostly it's done so should be sweet for you. Funnily enough when my son and did the ride when the pot holes were at their worst he ripped through the stretch confidently while it was me playing dodge the holes!

[varminter]

Someone on this thread (I think) suggested carrying a hand gun for use against cage drivers. I wish to go on record as stating that it's illigal and very naughty. A sawn off shot gun would be easier to use:laugh:

[stanleychung]

:pinch: I hate to bring this thread back to life again but I didn't want to start another new thread about the same thing.

None is more true than after my first couple of rides on my new bike that I started to notice how the majority cage drivers tend to speed and tailgate really badly.

There were several situations where I'm going at the speedlimit down a two way residential street and i get passed by a cage. Just because I'm not as wide as a typical cage they just see that as just reason to perform dangerous passing moves.

I certainly hope I dont drive like that when I'm in a cage. Certainly by having now experienced what it is like to be on a bike I will certainly treat the road and other road users with a great deal more caution and respect.

I tend to feel now that cage drivers have absolutely no thought to the consequences of speeding or not being aware of your surroundings and how that could affect other road users.

I certainly hope that my experience on my bike is not tainted by a cage driver's inattention or disregard. Here's hoping. :sweatdrop