An open letter to Harry Duynhoven, ex-MP

[Sanx]

Dear Mr Duynhoven,

On behalf of motorists and motorcyclists across New Zealand, may I be the first to say good riddance, you useless bearded terminally-obtuse speed-obsessed moron. Your presence in Parliament will be sorely missed by absolutely no-one with an IQ above 75.

With Labour's recent well-overdue humiliating defeat and your well-deserved unemployed status, hopefully New Zealand will witness a new road and transport safety policy that is actually aimed at reducing road deaths and injuries rather than simply adding to the swollen consilidated fund. Given Labour's documented dismal performance in this area, you'd have though that Labour's road safety initiatives were thought up by a weak-minded fool with absolutely no idea what he was doing. Well, the cap obviously fits.

I sincerely hope your proven record of incompetence and stupidity prevents you from ever getting a job with any responsibility again.

Yours sincerely,

Dan Halford.

[Ixion]

I don't think that's quite fair. Harry was actually not a bad bloke. It was Annette King that was the driveling idiot. Bear in mind that Harry , as a Minister outside Cabinet (ie , flunky) had to do what he was told by Annette. No arguments.

We could be worse off. be careful what you wish for.

[James Deuce]

How are those Brisbane roads?

[Sanx]

Ixion, I usually agree with you, but this time you're wrong, plain and simple. Harry Duynhoven is a man who exercised his power and responsibility with absolutely no idea as to what he was doing. He was obsessed with one thing and one thing only; speed. Had he the slightest modicum of intelligence, he would have reviewed his piss-poor performance over the past nine years and realised that Labour's record in this area was worse-than-dismal. Road deaths up, reversing an extant year-on-year decline since 1990. Injuries almost doubled. If he had the slightest modicum of shame, he'd have admitted, publically, that he was a blithering idiot and resigned. Instead, thousands of people had to be injured and hundreds unnecessarily die because of his incompetence and Labour's ever-present desire to increase revenue.

As Labour have bee removed from power (nine years too late), hopefully we'll see a major change in road safety policy. I suggest the following:


LTNZ / LTSA / Whatever-they're-called-this-week head honchos sacked. Immediately.
Immediate instructions sent to Police to actually concentrate on bad driving and not harmless speeding. Exceeding the legal speed limit doesn't cause accidents and there's absolutely no credible evidence from anywhere in the world that it does.
Immediate cessation of the use of all speed cameras, fixed and mobile. They don't reduce accidents and there's no evidence from anywhere in the world that they do.
Howard Broad, and the top traffic cops given jobs more suited to their intelligence levels. Cleaning up vomit in the holding cells, for instance.

I'd also like to see, but wont:


Immediate cessation on the use of chip-seal as a road-surface.
Raising of the national speed limit to 130 kph.
Removal of all bus-lanes.

I'm not quite dumb enough to expect that anything like this will happen, but I can live in hope. But, given that I'm now in Brisbane, it doesn't really affect me anyway.


How are those Brisbane roads?

A fuck-load better and safer than the ones in Auckland. Thank you for asking...

[Forest]

I don't know if Harry Duynhoven was the culprit, but New Zealand officials basically adopted the Victorian road safety programs and adapted them for local conditions.

[James Deuce]

But, given that I'm now in Brisbane, it doesn't really affect me anyway.

A fuck-load better and safer than the ones in Auckland. Thank you for asking...

Bye bye. :bye:

[Sanx]

I don't know if Harry Duynhoven was the culprit, but New Zealand officials basically adopted the Victorian road safety programs and adapted them for local conditions.

And the amusing thing is they don't work in Victoria either. Well, when I say 'work', I mean they don't do anything to reduce the road toll or injuries. But they're bloody good for the bottom line.

[Dooly]

In my dealings with the area LTSA rep and WOF authorities blokes, they have all said that all of the pedantic bullshit and petty ideas and impending rules etc like noise etc have all originated from Duynhoven.
They could'nt stand him and what he was trying to do.
Good riddance, piss off.
And he's meant to be a biker as well.

[Pedrostt500]

Years ago I had a hilman superminx station wagon no REG no WOF that I used to drive to work on night shift, I used to live a couple of doors up from Duynhoven its probably me all those years ago starting my old beast to go to work on night shift that turned him that way, as the beast only had an excuse for a muffler, the GT 380 Suzuki with no baffels probably put the icing on the cake.

[GIXser]

Dear Mr Duynhoven,

On behalf of motorists and motorcyclists across New Zealand, may I be the first to say good riddance, you useless bearded terminally-obtuse speed-obsessed moron. Your presence in Parliament will be sorely missed by absolutely no-one with an IQ above 75.

With Labour's recent well-overdue humiliating defeat and your well-deserved unemployed status, hopefully New Zealand will witness a new road and transport safety policy that is actually aimed at reducing road deaths and injuries rather than simply adding to the swollen consilidated fund. Given Labour's documented dismal performance in this area, you'd have though that Labour's road safety initiatives were thought up by a weak-minded fool with absolutely no idea what he was doing. Well, the cap obviously fits.

I sincerely hope your proven record of incompetence and stupidity prevents you from ever getting a job with any responsibility again.

Yours sincerely,

Dan Halford.

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD........

Fuck Dan, you crack me up.. please send the letter ...

[Naki Rat]

He may be gone from parliament but due to the length of time he was there you can be assured that he will be sucking the public tit :bleh: for many years to come by way of an ongoing stipend.

Not much we can do about that but! :headbang:

[ynot slow]

Agree with the post,after 3 terms in government,you would assume he would be a minister eh?

Then again he was a teacher and treated adults as per they were kids.

He did have a porsche back in 82 or so,when he coached the NPBH soccer 5th 11 or so,what a wanker as well,don't tackle the boys so hard,he didn't have the ball ref,go on take his ankles(said real quiet)and aimed at the player beside me to get me,spoken so the ref wouldn't hear that comment.


And he wanted to be elected not on party list says to me he was way down the list so if not elected wouldn't get in,at least he had some brain to state elected or nothing.

[Pussy]

I'm not unhappy to see him gone

[pritch]

Harry's gone? Bugga I must've ticked the wrong line...:laugh:

While there is no way Harry could be given a pass mark for his performance, Ixion has a point, Annette King was calling a lot of the shots. Also under our system of government he couldn't sack Andy Knackstead even if he wanted to.

I was sort of hoping I'd see him in the street as happened once before. He was a bit startled at what I told him then but it turned out to be right.

Politicians tend to talk to their supporters and only hear good news, I'd have been pleased to tell him how it really was. I hadn't talked to anyone who was going to vote for him - and most had previously. He had formerly been regarded as a good electorate MP.

Interestingly Harry hasn't conceded yet, he's praying to the God of special votes.

[ManDownUnder]

Dear Mr Duynhoven,

On behalf of motorists and motorcyclists across New Zealand, may I be the first to say good riddance, you useless bearded terminally-obtuse speed-obsessed moron. Your presence in Parliament will be sorely missed by absolutely no-one with an IQ above 75.
...

Dan Halford.

A private respond from Nigel Kelly.

Knowing Harry as I have done for a considerable number of years I take affront to you writing to him on my behalf - you in no way have any right to insult who I consider to be a good man on my behalf.

Don't speak beyond your brief.

[Skyryder]

A private respond from Nigel Kelly.

Knowing Harry as I have done for a considerable number of years I take affront to you writing to him on my behalf - you in no way have any right to insult who I consider to be a good man on my behalf.

Don't speak beyond your brief.


Good call. I've got no position on Duynhoven one way or the other but those who write on my behalf without the authority to do so...................one word............................ SANXimonious.


Skyryder

[jrandom]

Knowing Harry as I have done for a considerable number of years I take affront...

Are you implying that the fact that he's an affable bloke in person makes the wasteful authoritarian excesses of his administration OK?

[ManDownUnder]

Are you implying that the fact that he's an affable bloke in person makes the wasteful authoritarian excesses of his administration OK?

Making no such statement - care to take your words from my mouth?

I am saying I would not in a million year describe Harry in those terms. He's a good bloke that would rung rings around most in here when it comes time to swinging a spanner and things generally mechanical, and for anyone to abuse him as a man in person on my behalf in well out of order.

I don't see eye to eye with his policies, and at times the approach he's taken to do thing but I can also say that about most on KB as well.

I'm also saying anyone presuming to know my mind and issue it in an abusive public edict is taking one hell of a liberty at my personal expense.

[Genestho]

Im sorry but Harry, the Harry that my lobby group met with was rude, and arrogant.
When confronted with a polite and professional young lady, with stats sourced under the information act, and our stories, offering solutions to reduce recidivism, his plan a was to trot out "we have done this and improved that..over the last 20 years "
When that didnt move anyone - looking into blank stares of people who are waiting for fresh ideas... he was truly stuck for words, appearing to think throwing the word fuck round, once frustrated - a few times, may sharpen the meeting up and make his point that way.
Even confusing who he was meeting with and becoming confused as to which dead persons rep's he was dealing with.

I dunno if thats how it works down there, because there has been some strong interest and action at solutions offered, however......

I'll be glad to have contact with someone a bit more professional if that is at all possible.

I dont feel the need to write Harry a bonvoyage letter.

[Lias]

. He's a good bloke

Sorry mate, he's a politician, and worse a left wing politician. Under no circumstances can he ever be deemed "a good bloke". Next you'll be calling helen clark female!

[MSTRS]

I dont feel the need to write Harry a bonvoyage letter.

Neither do I. But neither do I feel any need to talk him up either. His response to my approach over the cheesecutter issue spoke volumes as to the sort of bloke he is. And YT went to school with him - he wasn't a top bloke even back then.
Good riddance.

[Genestho]

Neither do I. But neither do I feel any need to talk him up either. His response to my approach over the cheesecutter issue spoke volumes as to the sort of bloke he is. And YT went to school with him - he wasn't a top bloke even back then.
Good riddance.

I assume since the "people spoke" for change, this will remind this current bunch that their balance will be wobbly and they will work to stay.
They have some big jobs on...

I have strong feelings that this next few years will be a significant time for changes, heres to the future of fresh pro-active approaches to road safety, relevant to the times, and moving with them.
Heres to a new era. And to working with people that will want to listen

[Sanx]

A private respond from Nigel Kelly.

Knowing Harry as I have done for a considerable number of years I take affront to you writing to him on my behalf - you in no way have any right to insult who I consider to be a good man on my behalf.

Don't speak beyond your brief.

Did I say all motorcyclists? Nope, I didn't. So pull your head in and stop being so damned sensitive. You're entitled to your opinion that Duynhoven is a good bloke, even if you are sorely deluded.


Good call. I've got no position on Duynhoven one way or the other but those who write on my behalf without the authority to do so...................one word............................ SANXimonious.

Great pun, spoiled only by the fact that you don't know what 'sanctimonious' actually means. But good try...

[ElCoyote]

Did I say all motorcyclists? Nope, I didn't. So pull your head in and stop being so damned sensitive. You're entitled to your opinion that Duynhoven is a good bloke, even if you are sorely deluded.



Great pun, spoiled only by the fact that you don't know what 'sanctimonious' actually means. But good try...

After many years corresponding with Dunnyhouse I consider him at best a puppet and at worst a bloody idiot. Ignore the one eyes and send the letter on my behalf. :2thumbsup

Phil

[Skyryder]

Did I say all motorcyclists? Nope, I didn't.(Yes you did. :nono: On behalf of motorists and motorcyclists across New Zealand,end quote. :buggerd:ACROSS NEW ZEALAND. I don't see any exclusion reference. Sky:banana:) So pull your head in and stop being so damned sensitive. You're entitled to your opinion that Duynhoven is a good bloke, even if you are sorely deluded.



Great pun, spoiled only by the fact that you don't know what 'sanctimonious' actually means. But good try...


Holy..:2thumbsup............... and in the reference given, 'holier than thou.' Close enough.:girlfight:

Skyryder

[scumdog]

Immediate cessation on the use of chip-seal as a road-surface.
Raising of the national speed limit to 130 kph.
Removal of all bus-lanes.

I'm not quite dumb enough to expect that anything like this will happen, but I can live in hope. But, given that I'm now in Brisbane, it doesn't really affect me anyway.



A fuck-load better and safer than the ones in Auckland. Thank you for asking...


So is that how it is in Brisbane???

Must have been an off time when I was there...

[325rocket]

Ixion has a point, Annette King was calling a lot of the shots.

that would be just after she rooted the health system.

[Sanx]

So is that how it is in Brisbane???

Must have been an off time when I was there...

Haven't seen chipseal since I've been here. They have bus lanes, but they're not as common as in Auckland, and where they are present, they're far better planned. And no, the speed limit's not 130kph, but you can't have everything.

[Forest]

What's wrong with bus lanes?

Motorbikes are legally allowed to use (almost) all of them.

[Sanx]

What's wrong with bus lanes?

Motorbikes are legally allowed to use (almost) all of them.

Yes they are, however, on certain main arterial roads they reduce the capacity off the road by 50%. If traffic planners (and I use that word with the full knowledge that they never do anything of the sort) actually wanted to help traffic move, they'd get rid of the bus lanes, declare the same arterial routes as 24 hour clearways and ensure that traffic lights along them were synchronised to assist with good flow. I challenge anyone who lives in Auckland to come up with a single example of where this takes place.

Buslanes on the motorway should also be accessible to motorbikes and bicycles.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Are you implying that the fact that he's an affable bloke in person makes the wasteful authoritarian excesses of his administration OK?

how is it relevant to insult him (his intelligence, his beard, whatever).

I might agree that his performance as a minister was lacking, the direction of the ministry under his direction was wrong, and indeed that the officials forced to do his bidding could and should have been better employed on other matters, I do not agree that personal insults and ridiculous cheap shots are the way. And crowing in victory after the guy has lost? thats just bad sportsmanship, one of the things Duynhoven is accused of in this thread.

Fact is, the guy now has no more or less power than you or I do.

If you have concerns, find out who the next Transport/Road safety Munster is going to be, and lobby that person.

Smart people have been doing that for years while the Nats have been in opposition. What have the posters in this thread done other than post drivel on the interwebs? because thats helping, really it is.

[ManDownUnder]

Did I say all motorcyclists? Nope, I didn't. So pull your head in and stop being so damned sensitive. You're entitled to your opinion that Duynhoven is a good bloke, even if you are sorely deluded.


LOLOL... Winston... Winston Peters - is that you?

No - you didn't use the word all... nor did you say every motorcylist, or each and every one. You did however define the group you did write "On behalf of motorists and motorcyclists across New Zealand"... and as such - you are claiming to represent me.

You don't.

So all I ask is that you take it back.

Edit... ummm small point but I see you wrote the letter on behalf of others, but being in Brissy as you are... you didn't write it on behalf of yourself? Talk about an ego!

[Robert Taylor]

Harry's gone? Bugga I must've ticked the wrong line...:laugh:

While there is no way Harry could be given a pass mark for his performance, Ixion has a point, Annette King was calling a lot of the shots. Also under our system of government he couldn't sack Andy Knackstead even if he wanted to.

I was sort of hoping I'd see him in the street as happened once before. He was a bit startled at what I told him then but it turned out to be right.

Politicians tend to talk to their supporters and only hear good news, I'd have been pleased to tell him how it really was. I hadn't talked to anyone who was going to vote for him - and most had previously. He had formerly been regarded as a good electorate MP.

Interestingly Harry hasn't conceded yet, he's praying to the God of special votes.

And I can account for 8 special votes that I know of including mine that were ticks for National and Jonathan Young. I went to a meeting with Harry D, along with other National party supporters. He wanted an insight into our perspective and we cerainly gave him that, in no uncertain terms. We all had a very cordial conversation with him, but nonetheless he is still ''one of them'' and I would have much preffered to swim a crocodile infested river than ever vote for that lot!
But he is not a bad person.

[nadroj]

Not a bad person our Harry.

Just got a little full of himself!

[roadracingoldfart]

Making no such statement - care to take your words from my mouth?

I am saying I would not in a million year describe Harry in those terms. He's a good bloke that would rung rings around most in here when it comes time to swinging a spanner and things generally mechanical, and for anyone to abuse him as a man in person on my behalf in well out of order.

I don't see eye to eye with his policies, and at times the approach he's taken to do thing but I can also say that about most on KB as well.

I'm also saying anyone presuming to know my mind and issue it in an abuse public edict is taking one hell of a liberty at my personl expense.



If you dont see eye to eye on his policies then surely you agree with the original post. I didnt read it as an open letter from me but one from a generally concerned group of like minded people.

His (and his departments ) rules/ regulations have cost my company several thousand dollars to check / enforce and its just ongoing and stoopid to allow it to continue , i hope it dosnt continue as each extra cost we have to burdon brings redundancy of staff and workshop closure closer to reality.

PS; Yehaaa he's gone :clap:

Paul.

[ManDownUnder]

If you dont see eye to eye on his policies then surely you agree with the original post. I didnt read it as an open letter from me but one from a generally concerned group of like minded people.

You don't? That's exactly how I read the opening stanza... given the facts a) I am a motorist AND a motorcylist and
b) I am in NZ.

I fail to see how I am actually excluded...!


Dear Mr Duynhoven,

On behalf of motorists and motorcyclists across New Zealand...

I also object to personal insult being directed at Harry on my behalf . If there's an issue - criticise the issue, not the person.. Playing the man, not the ball is childish, and most often futile.

Again - I wouldn't do that to Harry.


...may I be the first to say good riddance, you useless bearded terminally-obtuse speed-obsessed moron. Your presence in Parliament will be sorely missed by absolutely no-one with an IQ above 75.

...you'd have though that Labour's road safety initiatives were thought up by a weak-minded fool with absolutely no idea what he was doing. Well, the cap obviously fits.





If you dont see eye to eye on his policies then surely you agree with the original post.
The content of the letter in respect of the road rules affecting me - I sympathise with.



His (and his departments ) rules/ regulations have cost my company several thousand dollars to check / enforce and its just ongoing and stoopid to allow it to continue , i hope it dosnt continue as each extra cost we have to burdon brings redundancy of staff and workshop closure closer to reality.

PS; Yehaaa he's gone :clap:

Paul.

That's the price of democracy. He got voted in, there was pain, he got voted out.

I'm personally going to be happy to see policies change too.

[pritch]

He got voted in, there was pain, he got voted out.

We aren't quite certain of that yet. He's 300 votes in arrears but the final verdict isn't due until Saturday week or thereabout.

He's still hoping.