The fucking maori politics

[carver]

my views on the maori part

These came apparent when the maori party came on campus seeking support.

i thought they were pretty racist..

"as maori, we don't have a lot, so a economic crisis wont impact us that much"

excuse me? i found that one hard to swallow, but what i found more hard to swallow was the way they kept bleating on about how much help maori need.
they constantly talked about maori as "the nigger boy"

so i guess what they were trying to put across is:
you and your people need us to help you out in government, cause you cant stand on your own two feet.

pathetic

the people that were standing around me are bright, talented, caring beautiful people, they do not need to be pushed around like political pawns, my fellow classmates and tutors do not need to be told how to run their lives.
their policy of cranking up benefits will only make people more reliant on the system.

they never wanted to go into specifics, or how they would want to archive their goals.
it seems in NZ your favorite political party is like a favored sports team:
"they can never do any wrong"

wake up people, they take your money, tell you how to live, and tell me, what do you get in return?

the rich pay for the poor, and the poor pay for the rich...

all we see is power hungry people, bickering how to spend your/our money, and tell us what we can and cant do.

NZ is strong enough, we do not need them.

we can choose our own path

"He tangata kii tahi"

[piston broke]

didn't the maori party say they wanna get rid of benefits.
polly's don't get paid that much,most could probably earn more in the private sector.
i recon labour did more tellin us how to run our lives than anyone ever before.eg 6l/min showerheads,mercury filled (eco bulbs)

[carver]

didn't the maori party say they wanna get rid of benefits.
polly's don't get paid that much,most could probably earn more in the private sector.
i recon labour did more tellin us how to run our lives than anyone ever before.eg 6l/min showerheads,mercury filled (eco bulbs)

fuck socialism....
full stop

[jrandom]

fuck socialism...

I don't think the Maori party is socialist, per se. Heck, they can't be, if they're prepared to go into government with John and Rodney.

I don't think they're anything ist, really. They just want to be a 'voice for the brown man'.

And, it's true that many Maoris these days are born into a cynical world of deprivation, violence and zero hope. Even if the Maori Party doesn't have solutions for everything right now, it can't be a bad thing that someone is focusing on those problems.

Because, let's face it, the blue folk in Parliament would probably prefer to just stuff the natives into gas chambers, and the red folk don't really give a fuck just so long as they can manipulate the savages into voting for them and joining their all-powerful trade unions.

I'm quite happy to sit back and judge them on their actions over the next three years. It's far too easy to erroneously accuse people who approach things from a different perspective of being motivated by bad faith.

[H00dz]

all we see is power hungry people, bickering how to spend your/our money, and tell us what we can and cant do.

NZ is strong enough, we do not need them.

we can choose our own path

"He tangata kii tahi"[/QUOTE]


Well said, Bling to that .........:done:

[lostinflyz]

I don't think the Maori party is socialist, per se. Heck, they can't be, if they're prepared to go into government with John and Rodney.

I don't think they're anything ist, really. They just want to be a 'voice for the brown man'.

And, it's true that many Maoris these days are born into a cynical world of deprivation, violence and zero hope. Even if the Maori Party doesn't have solutions for everything right now, it can't be a bad thing that someone is focusing on those problems.

Because, let's face it, the blue folk in Parliament would probably prefer to just stuff the natives into gas chambers, and the red folk don't really give a fuck just so long as they can manipulate the savages into voting for them and joining their all-powerful trade unions.

I'm quite happy to sit back and judge them on their actions over the next three years. It's far too easy to erroneously accuse people who approach things from a different perspective of being motivated by bad faith.

two short things:

i spent alot of time in the south of the US and there blacks and whites dont get along. and its not a white hates black and vice versa thing. its people feeling the need to make themselves special. aka the maori party. if you have a party that says maori's are "born into a cynical world of deprivation, violence and zero hope" then do you ever think they might try improve themselves. its a bit of a fucking joke. if you purposly define yourself based on your ethnicity and not your beleifs your always gonna be discrimintaed against.

second i find it stupidly rich that a party that acheives a paltry 2% of the popular vote gets there 2 seats in parliment that they acheive from the maori electorate, PLUS 3 more. come on now.

im not saying there isn't racism out there, and that there arent difficulties but the current system is a crock of shite being milked like nothing else.

[jrandom]

says maori's are "born into a cynical world of deprivation, violence and zero hope"

But dude, they are.

You can't fix it by pretending it ain't true.

[roadracingoldfart]

Dont get me started here .

[Katman]

And, it's true that many Maoris these days are born into a cynical world of deprivation, violence and zero hope.

Born into maybe - but it doesn't mean they have to choose to live their life in it.

[lostinflyz]

But dude, they are.

You can't fix it by pretending it ain't true.

zero hopes a bit rich.

i mean sure its not a nice place but its not like anywheres got a "No Black fellers" sign at the entrance. ok so you might have to put up with some shit (alot shit maybe) but its still not a no hoper.

just cause you get told it everyday dont mean it is true.

[MIXONE]

:jerry::jerry:

[BiK3RChiK]

two short things:

i spent alot of time in the south of the US and there blacks and whites dont get along. and its not a white hates black and vice versa thing. its people feeling the need to make themselves special. aka the maori party. if you have a party that says maori's are "born into a cynical world of deprivation, violence and zero hope" then do you ever think they might try improve themselves. its a bit of a fucking joke. if you purposly define yourself based on your ethnicity and not your beleifs your always gonna be discrimintaed against.


im not saying there isn't racism out there, and that there arent difficulties but the current system is a crock of shite being milked like nothing else.

It's called Politics...

With the Maori, there is also the 'Tall Poppy Syndrome' .... Where if a young one in the family is 'too bright/intelligent' they better cut it out or they'll show up the rest of the family. This possibly happens to a certain degree in other cultures but I have seen it alive and well in far too many Maori families.

[jrandom]

Born into maybe - but it doesn't mean they have to choose to live their life in it.


just cause you get told it everyday dont mean it is true.

Both of you are right, of course.

But it's amazing how powerful being told something every day can be when that's all you hear.

The solution to the problems created thereby is, of course, for those who know better to speak up against the negativity and take action to prove that it's unnecessary.

And that seems to be what the Maori Party is trying to do.

I wish them well.

[doc]

Both of you are right, of course.

But it's amazing how powerful being told something every day can be when that's all you hear.

The solution to the problems created thereby is, of course, for those who know better to speak up against the negativity and take action to prove that it's unnecessary.

And that seems to be what the Maori Party is trying to do.

I wish them well.

Can't wait for them to get to the top here. Got a few claims to settle myself. Seen the price of antique firearms lately ?

[wbks]

I think people are going a little far with the racism against maoris thing. They have more privaleges than the rest of NZers. I mean come on, unis specifically for them. And the right to close off your tribes land that you don't even officially own because your tradition says so. That is fair because it was after all their land, but other races haven't been so lucky. The Maori party actually compared Maoris to the American indians once. I would find this so damn offensive if I was an American Indian. Did the Maoris get massacred without so much as a valid, internationally recognised treatie and become the minority in their own country? No. I got racism from a few people for my German herritage at school. They were Maoris making me out to be hitler. Told every damn authoritive figure in the school and they got told to knock it off and that was all. Called one of them a nigger to prove a point later on and surprisingly half of the students and teachers in the school came down on me/rant :)

[DMNTD]

Got a few claims to settle myself. Seen the price of antique firearms lately ?
Yep and my muskets must be worth a fortune by now :niceone:

[jrandom]

Did the Maoris get massacred without so much as a valid, internationally recognised treatie and become the minority in their own country?

A little bit, aye (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Penguin-History-New-Zealand/dp/0143018671).


They were Maoris making me out to be hitler.

Godwin's Law, instant fail, you won.

[wbks]

A little bit, aye (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Penguin-History-New-Zealand/dp/0143018671).



Godwin's Law, instant fail, you won.Maybe the Maoris were fucked over, no one is doubting that but its a far call from the state of the American Indian race's treatment no matter how many links you bring up. And I'm not following "godwins law". Explain?

[Wingnut]

Yep and my muskets must be worth a fortune by now :niceone:

I bring Muskets for your men - Blankets for your women - And glue for your children.

Fucken Billy T - he was classic. If he was still round he would be ripping the shit outta the extremist natives that are circulating these days.:dodge:

[doc]

Maybe the Maoris were fucked over, no one is doubting that but its a far call from the state of the American Indian race's treatment no matter how many links you bring up. And I'm not following "godwins law". Explain?

The maori's were still using stones for tools. The indians weren't much better. Neither of them had any architecture, no use of metal before whitey turned up. Real heathens for gawd's sake they hadn't even developed alcohol. We had to teach them as well. :headbang:

[raftn]

Interestingly.........NZ is is the only country in the world that picks a national sports team based soley on race......NZ Maoris.

[wbks]

you trying to be sarcastic, doc?

[FJRider]

Real heathens for gawd's sake they hadn't even developed alcohol. We had to teach them as well. :headbang:

There's a few whitey's that haven't learnt about that shit ...yet ...
BOOZE is not a "brown" problem... alone...

[Fatt Max]

I bring Muskets for your men - Blankets for your women - And glue for your children.

Fucken Billy T - he was classic. If he was still round he would be ripping the shit outta the extremist natives that are circulating these days.:dodge:

Sums it all up really, we have all been roped into the PC thing, either running with it or complaining about it. When Billy T was around, people got on with life, eh

[FJRider]

Interestingly.........NZ is is the only country in the world that picks a national sports team based soley on race......NZ Maoris.

They pick a few "pale" team members...

[doc]

There's a few whitey's that haven't learnt about that shit ...yet ...
BOOZE is not a "brown" problem... alone...


Yep, when they get as good as us, might introduce them to these plants we have found to be quite useful. :(

[Hitcher]

Good grief. Rabid racial foment. And Godwin's Law. Reductio ad Hitlerum.

I worry more about the people who spew spittle at the mention of Maori politics, than I do about any Maori politician. Now they are in government, I shall judge them by their actions.

[GIXser]

i voted for the Maori party because i believe in equal rights, we as whites have opressed them for far to long... its time for them to speak out and say enough is enough...

[wbks]

I worry more about the people who spew spittle at the mention of Maori politics,
Maybe these people are sick to death with it and the issues it brings againt "one nation, one people" which is why they jump at it.

[wbks]

i voted for the Maori party because i believe in equal rights, we as whites have opressed them for far to long... its time for them to speak out and say enough is enough...
You are racist. I am white yet have no relation to anyone that had anything to do with colonizing or "oppressing" Maori. Or is it that all white people are the same? Are you judging us upon skin colour now? Seems pretty racist to me bro....
But I'll ignore that and debate with you. Don't you think they have equal rights now? Even more equal than others? Many of them are in a bad social disposition but as far as rights and oppression goes we aren't in the 1940's anymore.

[FJRider]

i voted for the Maori party because i believe in equal rights, we as whites have opressed them for far to long... its time for them to speak out and say enough is enough...

I think I'll start a BLONDE Party, They have been oppressed and ridiculed , far too long... its time for the fair hairs to stand up and be counted... FAIR is fair...:innocent:

[fire eyes]

So ..... who wants a cup of tea?

[wbks]

Lol keeping things civil

[Madness]

So ..... whos wants a cup of tea?

Green Tea?, Love one!

[fire eyes]

Green Tea?, Love one!

Green Tea coming right up Sugarlips

[FJRider]

So ..... who wants a cup of tea?

XXXX Gold... and I'll get the ticket.... :sunny:

[fire eyes]

XXXX Gold... and I'll get the ticket.... :sunny:

More like a damn sober driver FJ! hhahahahahahaa
:yes:;)

[FJRider]

More like a damn sober driver FJ! hhahahahahahaa
:yes:;)

I'm on my way... (no not really... although it is an interesting idea... don't tempt me ...too often...)

[fire eyes]

I'm on my way... (no not really... although it is an interesting idea... don't tempt me ...too often...)


So I should loose the red flag idea then??? :shutup:

[FJRider]

So I should loose the red flag idea then??? :shutup:

There are times when you think ...nobody would.... but some would... :shifty:
GREAT adventures come from silly ideas .........:soon:
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[fire eyes]

There are times when you think ...nobody would.... but some would... :shifty:
GREAT adventures come from silly ideas .........:soon:
::


:blink::blink::blink::blink:::bleh:

[geoffm]

polly's don't get paid that much,most could probably earn more in the private sector.


Backbench MP - i.e. one with no responsibility other than doign what they are told and making up the numbers - earns in th etop 2% income in NZ, not to mention the perks and gold plated super scheme.
They also have a guarenteed job for 3 years - better job security than most of us. Lose your job and it is out on the street with you, they get 3 months pay to tide them over...
Geoff

[Forest]

The maori's were still using stones for tools. The indians weren't much better. Neither of them had any architecture, no use of metal before whitey turned up. Real heathens for gawd's sake they hadn't even developed alcohol. We had to teach them as well. :headbang:

The comment about not having architecture is a bit strange.

The Maori had a highly sophisticated system of defensive architecture that greatly impressed the european military engineers of the 19th century.

Although most of the indians tribes were nomadic, some of the groups did settle and build towns & villages. Just look at the impressive pueblo buildings in the south-west of the US.

[NighthawkNZ]

i thought they were pretty racist..

"as maori, we don't have a lot, so a economic crisis wont impact us that much"

excuse me? i found that one hard to swallow, but what i found more hard to swallow was the way they kept bleating on about how much help maori need.
they constantly talked about maori as "the nigger boy"

so i guess what they were trying to put across is:
you and your people need us to help you out in government, cause you cant stand on your own two feet.

pathetic

the people that were standing around me are bright, talented, caring beautiful people, they do not need to be pushed around like political pawns, my fellow classmates and tutors do not need to be told how to run their lives.
their policy of cranking up benefits will only make people more reliant on the system.

they never wanted to go into specifics, or how they would want to archive their goals.
it seems in NZ your favorite political party is like a favored sports team:
"they can never do any wrong"

wake up people, they take your money, tell you how to live, and tell me, what do you get in return?

the rich pay for the poor, and the poor pay for the rich...

all we see is power hungry people, bickering how to spend your/our money, and tell us what we can and cant do.

NZ is strong enough, we do not need them.

we can choose our own path

"He tangata kii tahi"

I think that about all politics and politains doesn't matter what party they are in...they are all control freaks, and in it for there own agendas

[Badjelly]

Even if the Maori Party doesn't have solutions for everything right now, it can't be a bad thing that someone is focusing on those problems.

That's an interesting argument. Many people applied that to the Bolsheviks in 1917 and the Nazis in the 1930s. ... Uh oh.

[Clockwork]

That's an interesting argument. Many people applied that to the Bolsheviks in 1917 and the Nazis in the 1930s. ... Uh oh.

If you'd called them National Socialists would Godwins law still apply?

[Headbanger]

The Maori had a highly sophisticated system of defensive architecture that greatly impressed the European military engineers of the 19th century.
.

Mud and sticks?

[Headbanger]

The Maori had a highly sophisticated system of defensive architecture that greatly impressed the European military engineers of the 19th century.
.

Mud and sticks?

They hadn't even invented the wheel, The only other society not to reach that level of evolution were the abo's.

[Badjelly]

They hadn't even invented the wheel, The only other society not to reach that level of evolution were the abo's.

Human cultural development is not a simple matter of "levels of evolution". The Maori didn't have wheels and metals (so people who say they were in the "Stone Age" are correct, if irrelevant) but they were pretty damn good at the things that matter on an isolated island in the South Pacific: getting around in boats, harvesting the somewhat limited food resources, forming alliances with each other and fighting. Their military defenses may have been made of sticks (not so much mud, I suspect) but they were cunningly designed to withstand days of bombardment and ambush the Imperial soldiers who strolled in thinking that all the defenders would be dead or demoralised.

[GIXser]

You are racist. I am white yet have no relation to anyone that had anything to do with colonizing or "oppressing" Maori. Or is it that all white people are the same? Are you judging us upon skin colour now? Seems pretty racist to me bro....
But I'll ignore that and debate with you. Don't you think they have equal rights now? Even more equal than others? Many of them are in a bad social disposition but as far as rights and oppression goes we aren't in the 1940's anymore.

Im not Racist---!! i just think that whitey , came here took all their land for a few blankets... i think we should repay them for eternity, im working on a policy currently that entitles all Maori' to an annual payment of $ 50,000 for life (each and every year) this will enable them to start reproducing more, as the payment will commence from the day they are born, within a decade Maori will be equal in numbers.

its cool to korero...

[Headbanger]

Human cultural development is not a simple matter of "levels of evolution". The Maori didn't have wheels and metals (so people who say they were in the "Stone Age" are correct, if irrelevant) but they were pretty damn good at the things that matter on an isolated island in the South Pacific: getting around in boats, harvesting the somewhat limited food resources, forming alliances with each other and fighting. Their military defenses may have been made of sticks (not so much mud, I suspect) but they were cunningly designed to withstand days of bombardment and ambush the Imperial soldiers who strolled in thinking that all the defenders would be dead or demoralised.

yeah, so the Brits were arrogant and they got their soldiers killed, its how the brits have fought most wars.

As for the rest, I dunno, Are we expected to be impressed by stone-age bush people who managed to not quite starve to death in between killing each other?

I'd put forward the argument that their lives have been enhanced by an unmeasurable amount by colonisation, If the entire fiasco is going to be measured in monetary terms perhaps they should be paying the British government.

Actually, I'd put forward the argument that we are all New Zealanders, I don't give a flying rats arsehole about the colour of anyones skin, Its way overdue to abolish racist sepratist and damaging policy.

[Finn]

I think Maori's should stop partying and do some work instead.

[Quasievil]

I think I dont care, I got Maori blood and Im the new owner of lots of the Manawatu........now where is me payout Im poor and a under class citizen !!

[Finn]

I think I dont care, I got Maori blood and Im the new owner of lots of the Manawatu........now where is me payout Im poor and a under class citizen !!

Sorry Quasi, you too late. Colin Giltrap has your money.

[davereid]

I think I dont care, I got Maori blood and Im the new owner of lots of the Manawatu........now where is me payout Im poor and a under class citizen !!

If thats the bit of the Manawatu that floods my paddocks, let me know your address... my lawyers got a bill to go over with you...

[Quasievil]

Fuck is that it, that was a freckin HUGE bit of bait !

Lame people Lame

[James Deuce]

Mud and sticks?

They hadn't even invented the wheel, The only other society not to reach that level of evolution were the abo's.

Maori invented the concept of the Strategic Pa, minimal engagement force guerilla tactics, and the defensive trench and bunker. Kawiti practically created the template for WW1 and almost led the British Army of the mid-late Victorian era into bankruptcy. Problem is He (Kawiti) couldn't field a year round army because they had crops to get in. So the "Crown" won and rewrote history to suit. The fact remains that the British Crown made a treaty with Maori that forbade them from taking their country from them and then just went and stole increasingly big chunks of land until they had the lot. Don't get caught up in the "they traded it for muskets and blankets" bullshit either because that's from a different era of Maori exploitation. How would you like it if some bloke in New Plymouth told some rich Iranian that your hypothetical house in Taupo on the waterfront belonged to him and he sold it for nothing to the dude, who then pops in and says, "Oi get orf my land", and then kills you and your family when you don't move? Bet you say it's historical and doesn't matter. The reason I was born in NZ is because the English did the same to the Irish and Scots. Doesn't make any of it "righteous" though, does it?

The technological focus on how "advanced" a society is, is peculiarly a Western one. The reality is, we're still no better than the Roman "Empire" who rewrote history to make themselves feel better about destroying better developed civilisations than their own. They had the wheel, but they never beat the Persians who didn't rely on the wheel militarily. They threw unwanted babies on rubbish dumps. They hunted "lesser" humans. They displayed the deaths of other races or empires as "entertainment".

I find the discussion on the relative value of Human life based on what society or ethnic group they are from incredibly, tastelessy, appallingly ignorant.

[vtec]

Im not Racist---!! i just think that whitey , came here took all their land for a few blankets... i think we should repay them for eternity, im working on a policy currently that entitles all Maori' to an annual payment of $ 50,000 for life (each and every year) this will enable them to start reproducing more, as the payment will commence from the day they are born, within a decade Maori will be equal in numbers.

its cool to korero...

That's got to be a pisstake. haha.

But you're on the right track. Although there's no need to differentiate races. With the world as it is, minimal war, majority peace, good technology etc. From where I'm sitting a brilliant idea would be to eliminate all benefits, but put EVERYBODY on a basic salary of say $150-200 per week. If they wanted to earn more than that then they would have to work. Would mean that a lot of people would stop working, but those who chose to work would get significantly more well off than those who didn't. Would affect inflation to start with, but would find a nice balancing point after a while. So you could choose to chill out and be a bum, or you could choose to work and actually get somewhere even with a low paying job.

There is no need in this day and age for people to be working the hours that they are. The world needs to slow down a bit. Take stock, consume less, appreciate the little things, and people could afford to do more of that. And there would be plenty of potential for getting somewhere.

This would cost $31Billion NZD per annum (current spend on benefits is $15-20 billion??) approximately, which is a high price, but would revolutionise society and change the way money flows entirely. Tax systems would need to be reformed. But it's the first fair form of socialism, and would allow people to follow their dreams more, and think more creatively in terms of how they could change the world with technology development.

No policy's should ever be based on the colour of your skin or injustices suffered by ancestors. ALL of our ancestors have had great injustices done to them. That was the state of the world at the time, now is the time we can focus on peace, prosperity, and justice. Don't forget the past, but look to the future on how to improve everybody's situation.

[Disco Dan]

Heck, the English came and started killing them off (long story short lol) and all that is different today is: well they(we) haven't quite finished the job yet.

We cant kill them as it's against the law, so we'll breed them out.

Trouble is a person can say "i'm 1/50th part maori so that makes me maori - wheres my extra benefits!".

Pretty sad.

One day they will hopefully come to understand they are living under the crown ruling and should bloody well start behaving like it.

They are not special. They should not have any special benefits. Nor should a mway have to be delayed or moved because of a fictitious dragon.

I understand making the odd pa site an historic landmark, thats fine. But come on....

Do the English winge on and expect special benefits over all the other nationalities in England?! No of course not.

We are all human beings and should be treated and expected to be treated equally.

If the maoris dont like it, it's a bit late now. Their country was conquered a long time ago. It is under English rule now.

[Headbanger]

Maori invented the concept of the Strategic Pa, minimal engagement force guerilla tactics, and the defensive trench and bunker. Kawiti practically created the template for WW1 and almost led the British Army of the mid-late Victorian era into bankruptcy. Problem is He (Kawiti) couldn't field a year round army because they had crops to get in. So the "Crown" won and rewrote history to suit. The fact remains that the British Crown made a treaty with Maori that forbade them from taking their country from them and then just went and stole increasingly big chunks of land until they had the lot. Don't get caught up in the "they traded it for muskets and blankets" bullshit either because that's from a different era of Maori exploitation. How would you like it if some bloke in New Plymouth told some rich Iranian that your hypothetical house in Taupo on the waterfront belonged to him and he sold it for nothing to the dude, who then pops in and says, "Oi get orf my land", and then kills you and your family when you don't move? Bet you say it's historical and doesn't matter. The reason I was born in NZ is because the English did the same to the Irish and Scots. Doesn't make any of it "righteous" though, does it?

The technological focus on how "advanced" a society is, is peculiarly a Western one. The reality is, we're still no better than the Roman "Empire" who rewrote history to make themselves feel better about destroying better developed civilisations than their own. They had the wheel, but they never beat the Persians who didn't rely on the wheel militarily. They threw unwanted babies on rubbish dumps. They hunted "lesser" humans. They displayed the deaths of other races or empires as "entertainment".

I find the discussion on the relative value of Human life based on what society or ethnic group they are from incredibly, tastelessy, appallingly ignorant.

well, I for one have no idea what your on about......Think maybe your replying to a whole raft of points or statements I didn't make.

Though It's also true that I don't really care.

All Hail Caesar, Hail.

[Forest]

well, I for one have no idea what your on about......Think maybe your replying to a whole raft of points or statements I didn't make.

Though It's also true that I don't really care.

All Hail Caesar, Hail.

He was replying to your suggestion that Maori architecture consists of mud and sticks.

I really hope you're trolling this thread. Because you're displaying an appalling level of ignorance about NZ history.

[fire eyes]

Trouble is a person can say "i'm 1/50th part maori so that makes me maori - wheres my extra benefits!"

ummmmm what benefits??????

[Badjelly]

The technological focus on how "advanced" a society is, is peculiarly a Western one. The reality is, we're still no better than the Roman "Empire" who rewrote history to make themselves feel better about destroying better developed civilisations than their own. They had the wheel, but they never beat the Persians who didn't rely on the wheel militarily. They threw unwanted babies on rubbish dumps. They hunted "lesser" humans. They displayed the deaths of other races or empires as "entertainment".

We (people in western nations in the early 21st century) don't do most of that quite as much as the Romans did. The Romans were, even by the standards of the time, remarkably cruel. And very advanced.

[wbks]

And very advanced.Didn't mean much to the advancing barbarians:first:

[westie]

People of the benefits should have to go around washing our cars and tidying our property grounds etc. After all they are getting paid from our pockets.

[Headbanger]

He was replying to your suggestion that Maori architecture consists of mud and sticks.

I really hope you're trolling this thread. Because you're displaying an appalling level of ignorance about NZ history.

Well, Its a giant leap from pointing out their architecture was shit to classing them as lesser people. Take a moron to infer that's what I was saying. It was nothing special, that is all. The world is no better off for the bizarre and unwarranted glorification of maori culture.

Anyhow, Visited a few pa's, definitely made of mud and sticks. No doubt they worked very well, after all, they made a lot of war.

[Badjelly]

Well, Its a giant leap from pointing out their architecture was shit to classing them as lesser people. Take a moron to infer that's what I was saying...

Are you calling me a Mormon?!

[wbks]

People of the benefits should have to go around washing our cars and tidying our property grounds etc. After all they are getting paid from our pockets.Yea, I'm sure no one was ever on the benefit for a genuine reason. A certain person I know got in a bad crash on a Harley and was in ICU for weeks, after which she couldn't get a manual labor job like she always had but due to her injuries couldnt any more and wasn't qualified for desk job. But yea, dirty damn bludgers

[wbks]

Are you calling me a Mormon?!Them's fighting words!:laugh:

[westie]

Yea, I'm sure no one was ever on the benefit for a genuine reason. A certain person I know got in a bad crash on a Harley and was in ICU for weeks, after which she couldn't get a manual labor job like she always had but due to her injuries couldnt any more and wasn't qualified for desk job. But yea, dirty damn bludgers

Thats sickness benefit?

[GIXser]

I also think Maori should have far more rights to the foreshore and seabeds all this business that Maori take undersized and over quota fish is a lot of rubbish, when there is a "Hui" in place, Maori should be able to take whatever they want. after all Maori were here before us.
im all for them charging people to go to the beach.

far to long have whitey taken it for granted.!

[MIXONE]

I also think Maori should have far more rights to the foreshore and seabeds all this business that Maori take undersized and over quota fish is a lot of rubbish, when there is a "Hui" in place, Maori should be able to take whatever they want. after all Maori were here before us.
im all for them charging people to go to the beach.

far to long have whitey taken it for granted.!

Yep and they can pop over and flog my barbie if they need something to cook it on.Oh shit they already did.:shit:

[wbks]

once again you are calling all people of white skin the same. I am not related to anyone who manipulated the old Maori people nor did I do that myself so it makes me sick to think that because of that my rights as a New Zealander could be downsized because of people who think like you. I would like to be able to go to the beach when I want with out being charged. After all I have grown up in the same country under the same stars as the maori living today so why should I be any different? Most Maoris I know don't have any radical views on foreshore and seabed like you. Unless you are trolling, in which case: Touchet!

[PrincessBandit]

if you have a party that says maori's are "born into a cynical world of deprivation, violence and zero hope" then do you ever think they might try improve themselves. its a bit of a fucking joke. if you purposly define yourself based on your ethnicity and not your beleifs your always gonna be discrimintaed against.

second i find it stupidly rich that a party that acheives a paltry 2% of the popular vote gets there 2 seats in parliment that they acheive from the maori electorate, PLUS 3 more. come on now.

im not saying there isn't racism out there, and that there arent difficulties but the current system is a crock of shite being milked like nothing else.
Probably why so many have such a huge chip on their shoulder - it's always being pushed on them that they are not being given the same opportunities as whites. (By their own people and by the PC do-gooder brigade.)

I think I'll start a BLONDE Party, They have been oppressed and ridiculed , far too long... its time for the fair hairs to stand up and be counted... FAIR is fair...:innocent:
Hey, didn't one of the schools on the Fair Go ad awards night come up with a Ginga Party idea? Us brunettes must be so mean to all the gingas and blondes, although we do have pineapple lump moments ourselves....


Yep and they can pop over and flog my barbie if they need something to cook it on.Oh shit they already did.:shit:

I have heard of iwi helping themselves to peoples pet calves and sheep because they were having a big family gathering and felt it was their right to take their neighbours animals to slaughter (leaving the bits they didn't want in the paddock for them to find). Pretty gross.

As for "Maori Rugby team", "Maori Scholarships", prizegiving nights at High Schools which have awards for "top Maori Student", "top Pacific Island student" I'd be interested to know what kind of reaction there would be if there were awards for "top European student" or "Europeans only" scholarships.

[Patar]

Fact of the matter is that some people need to be told how to live their life, regardless of skin colour or race. It depends on their mental capacity.

[James Deuce]

Well, Its a giant leap from pointing out their architecture was shit to classing them as lesser people. Take a moron to infer that's what I was saying. It was nothing special, that is all. The world is no better off for the bizarre and unwarranted glorification of maori culture.

Anyhow, Visited a few pa's, definitely made of mud and sticks. No doubt they worked very well, after all, they made a lot of war.

It was actually the "abos" comment that got my dander up. I may be a moron, but at least I try not to be an ignorant troll. Oh yeah. Don't forget the free offer to beat my head in when we meet. That sort of comment usually goes hand in hand with the moron comment.

[Swoop]

Are you calling me a Mormon?!
Since there is only one "Badjelly", you are a rare being. Perhaps one of "The Few"?

As for "Maori Rugby team", "Maori Scholarships", prizegiving nights at High Schools which have awards for "top Maori Student", "top Pacific Island student" I'd be interested to know what kind of reaction there would be if there were awards for "top European student" or "Europeans only" scholarships.
It is interesting that the Maori electorate seats, are still in existance. Race-based and all of that.

[Badjelly]

It was actually the "abos" comment that got my dander up.

But he wasn't classing them as lesser people, JD. Oh no.

[Headbanger]

It was actually the "abos" comment that got my dander up. I may be a moron, but at least I try not to be an ignorant troll. Oh yeah. Don't forget the free offer to beat my head in when we meet. That sort of comment usually goes hand in hand with the moron comment.

Sad mate, First you take my post and construe it into something miles away from its intent and into something pretty ugly, Now your stretching it into pure fantasy and trying to portray it as reprehensible. I shouldn't have to reply to the punch in the head dribble as that's your comment. I dare say if we ever met I'd have a chuckle and ignore you.

No skin off my nose if your offended by the name the native aussie's go for.

Might be a mind blow for you, People that hold different views from your own don't automatically become trolls or ignorant. Wisdom may come with maturity, so there is still hope for you. And perhaps then you can approach peoples views with a bit more of an open mind, rather then getting all excited.

[Badjelly]

Since there is only one "Badjelly", you are a rare being. Perhaps one of "The Few"?

Medium-rare.

[Forest]

As for "Maori Rugby team", "Maori Scholarships", prizegiving nights at High Schools which have awards for "top Maori Student", "top Pacific Island student" I'd be interested to know what kind of reaction there would be if there were awards for "top European student" or "Europeans only" scholarships.

I know that we like to think that New Zealand is a meritocracy where everybody gets a fair go, but it really isn't.

The single most important factor in predicting educational achievement is the socio-economic group of your parents. It is really simple - if your parents have money then they can afford to:

1. send you to a high-quality kindergarten or early child-hood centre
2. live in better areas (which allows for access to the top public school zones)
3. send you to a private school
4. pay for private coaching or remedial tutoring

Educational scholarships exist to help even this out.

[James Deuce]

Noice!

Didn't have the facts right so it turns into a personal attack.

I wish I WAS excited.

I'm just going through the motions.

I'm not moving to Aussie. The grass isn't greener. They have no grass.

[Badjelly]

Sad mate, First you take my post and construe it into something miles away from its intent and into something pretty ugly...

Well, I think I construed it in much the same way as J D, so there's obviously a few of us Mormons around.

[scumdog]

1. send you to a high-quality kindergarten or early child-hood centre
2. live in better areas (which allows for access to the top public school zones)
3. send you to a private school
4. pay for private coaching or remedial tutoring

Educational scholarships exist to help even this out.

And they exist for all eh? - regardless of race??

[Headbanger]

Well, I think I construed it in much the same way as J D, so there's obviously a few of us Mormons around.

I have explained my point of view, That should be the end of the matter, Not whatever biased dribble others can load onto it. Funny you lot are throwing out the ignorance catch cry when your comprehension is so poor.

The rest of the shit is just poor form.

[Forest]

And they exist for all eh? - regardless of race??

They exist for anyone who can pay for them.

Which unfortunately rules out most Maori and Pacific families right from the start.

[98tls]

And they exist for all eh? - regardless of race?? Seems many wait awhile then take the justice system up on there offer of a scholarship,ive heard Miltons nice this time of year.

[davereid]

They exist for anyone who can pay for them.

Which unfortunately rules out most Maori and Pacific families right from the start.

Excuses only I'm afraid - apologist rubbish IMHO.

I can drive around Levin, and see pensioners on $250 a week, living in a clean and tidy home, recycling bin loaded to the hilt, mowed lawns, and nice garden. Grandad will have cleaned the '82 corolla and will be calling in at the club for a beer after helping his mate with the dodgy leg fix the chainsaw so they can get some more cheap firewood.

I can look across the road and see another household, with a better tax payer-provided income, and a cheap state house.

But they are sitting on the back step smoking. The lawns are overgrown, and there is a car on its side. I can't see their yappy dog, cos its likely to be pissing on my car.

They don't have a recycling bin, and they may as well not have a rubbish bin, cos its on its side, and the shit is blowing down the street.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My vietnamese refugee neighbour arrived in NZ 10 years ago, with a ripped shirt, a pregnant wife and and two kids who couldn't speak english.

Now his wife runs a fish and chip shop. He has a small market garden, and both his kids are going to University.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The link you claim exists... but it works the other way around.
Shit outcomes generally happen to shit people.

[rodimus]

NZ is strong enough, we do not need them.

we can choose our own path

"He tangata kii tahi"

How can you be so sure that the Maori's won't be needed by National at the next election?
I don't think there is any other reason why National are working with the Maori.
Smart move by Key.

[jrandom]

The single most important factor in predicting educational achievement is the socio-economic group of your parents.

Y'know, my parents were poor as church mice, and I... am, er, not.

Not to mention that the personally-wealthiest KBer I know grew up with a single mum on welfare.

New Zealand really does offer opportunity for all. It's the attitudes that people are programmed with from birth that need to change.

[jrandom]

If the maoris dont like it, it's a bit late now. Their country was conquered...

You betray your ignorance. Not that that ignorance surprises anyone here, I suppose.

No 'conquest' occurred. The British never had military control of the majority of the country.

Instead, the heads of the Maori tribes (most of them) signed a treaty which made them subjects of the British Crown in return for them retaining, if you read the Maori version, sovereignty over their land, and if you read the English version, ownership.

Big difference.

And that difference led to a lot of sales and purchases by private individuals and confiscations of land by the British Crown that were completely out of alignment with the understanding that was given to the tribal heads who signed the treaty.

That is the basis of modern treaty claims, and the reason why many descendants of those Maori feel hard done by.

Now, you may well scoff at all of the above, but by doing so, you simply show how far the British race has fallen.

From a noble empire that did its finest work in creating the world's youngest democracy here (even if that work was subsequently perverted), to a nation of snivelling, grasping chavs... very sad.

[98tls]

Us Germans however went on to:shutup:

[GIXser]

once again you are calling all people of white skin the same. I am not related to anyone who manipulated the old Maori people nor did I do that myself so it makes me sick to think that because of that my rights as a New Zealander could be downsized because of people who think like you. I would like to be able to go to the beach when I want with out being charged. After all I have grown up in the same country under the same stars as the maori living today so why should I be any different? Most Maoris I know don't have any radical views on foreshore and seabed like you. Unless you are trolling, in which case: Touchet!


youv'e been punkd"------:innocent:

[wbks]

Us Germans however went on to:shutup:Become a great industrious nation with an interval of mis guidance from a dodgy foreigner?;)

[Forest]

Anyhow, Visited a few pa's, definitely made of mud and sticks. No doubt they worked very well, after all, they made a lot of war.

They made considerably less war than the Europeans ever did!

Here's the list of European wars fought in the 20th century:

1911-1912 Italo-Turkish War
1912–1913 Balkan Wars
1912-1913 First Balkan War
1913 Second Balkan War
1914–1918 World War I
1916 Easter Rising
1917–1921 Russian Civil War
1918 Finnish Civil War
1918 Polish-Czech war for Teschen Silesia
1918–1919 Polish-Ukrainian War
1918–1919 Greater Poland Uprising
1918–1920 Estonian Liberation War
1918-1920 Latvian War of Independence
1919–1920 Czechoslovakia-Hungary War
1919–1921 Silesian Uprisings
1919–1921 Polish-Soviet War
1919–1921 Anglo-Irish War
1920 Polish-Lithuanian War
1922–1923 Irish Civil War
1936–1939 Spanish Civil War
1939–1945 World War II
1939-1940 Winter War
1941-1944 Continuation War
1944 Slovak National Uprising
1946-1949 Greek Civil War
1956 Uprising in Poznan
1956 Soviet invasion of Hungary
1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia
1969-1998 The Troubles of Northern Ireland
1988-1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
1991-1992 War in South Ossetia
1991-1995 Croatian War of Independence
1992 War of Transnistria
1992-1998 First War in Abkhazia
1992-1995 Bosnian War
1994–1996 First Chechen War
1996-1999 First and Second Kosovo Wars
1998 Second War of Abkhazia
1999-Ongoing Second Chechen War
1999-2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley

[scumdog]

They made considerably less war than the Europeans ever did!

Here's the list of European wars fought in the 20th century:

1911-1912 Italo-Turkish War
1912–1913 Balkan Wars
1912-1913 First Balkan War
1913 Second Balkan War
1914–1918 World War I
1916 Easter Rising
1917–1921 Russian Civil War
1918 Finnish Civil War
1918 Polish-Czech war for Teschen Silesia
1918–1919 Polish-Ukrainian War
1918–1919 Greater Poland Uprising
1918–1920 Estonian Liberation War
1918-1920 Latvian War of Independence
1919–1920 Czechoslovakia-Hungary War
1919–1921 Silesian Uprisings
1919–1921 Polish-Soviet War
1919–1921 Anglo-Irish War
1920 Polish-Lithuanian War
1922–1923 Irish Civil War
1936–1939 Spanish Civil War
1939–1945 World War II
1939-1940 Winter War
1941-1944 Continuation War
1944 Slovak National Uprising
1946-1949 Greek Civil War
1956 Uprising in Poznan
1956 Soviet invasion of Hungary
1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia
1969-1998 The Troubles of Northern Ireland
1988-1994 Nagorno-Karabakh War
1991-1992 War in South Ossetia
1991-1995 Croatian War of Independence
1992 War of Transnistria
1992-1998 First War in Abkhazia
1992-1995 Bosnian War
1994–1996 First Chechen War
1996-1999 First and Second Kosovo Wars
1998 Second War of Abkhazia
1999-Ongoing Second Chechen War
1999-2001 Insurgency in the Preševo Valley

Well it's not like the Maori had lots of other people to war with eh?:laugh:

[wbks]

Lol people can we stop comparing people of a whole continant to that of a very small country composed of a few islands? :)

[Creeping Death]

Sorry,just zapped to the last page.What a STUPID thread title.:nono:

[Hitcher]

What a STUPID thread title.

Not an uncommon attribute on Kiwi Biker, unfortunately.

[James Deuce]

Excuses only I'm afraid - apologist rubbish IMHO.

I can drive around Levin, and see pensioners on $250 a week, living in a clean and tidy home, recycling bin loaded to the hilt, mowed lawns, and nice garden. Grandad will have cleaned the '82 corolla and will be calling in at the club for a beer after helping his mate with the dodgy leg fix the chainsaw so they can get some more cheap firewood.

I can look across the road and see another household, with a better tax payer-provided income, and a cheap state house.

But they are sitting on the back step smoking. The lawns are overgrown, and there is a car on its side. I can't see their yappy dog, cos its likely to be pissing on my car.

They don't have a recycling bin, and they may as well not have a rubbish bin, cos its on its side, and the shit is blowing down the street.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My vietnamese refugee neighbour arrived in NZ 10 years ago, with a ripped shirt, a pregnant wife and and two kids who couldn't speak english.

Now his wife runs a fish and chip shop. He has a small market garden, and both his kids are going to University.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The link you claim exists... but it works the other way around.
Shit outcomes generally happen to shit people.

You can't use pensioners or immigrants as examples unfortunately. Both groups are singularly well equipped to deal with proper hardship. Anyone born in NZ after 1960 isn't that good at it.

[jrandom]

Not an uncommon attribute on Kiwi Biker, unfortunately.

At least it has 'fuck' in it.

[westie]

You betray your ignorance. Not that that ignorance surprises anyone here, I suppose.

No 'conquest' occurred. The British never had military control of the majority of the country.

Instead, the heads of the Maori tribes (most of them) signed a treaty which made them subjects of the British Crown in return for them retaining, if you read the Maori version, sovereignty over their land, and if you read the English version, ownership.

Big difference.

And that difference led to a lot of sales and purchases by private individuals and confiscations of land by the British Crown that were completely out of alignment with the understanding that was given to the tribal heads who signed the treaty.

That is the basis of modern treaty claims, and the reason why many descendants of those Maori feel hard done by.

Now, you may well scoff at all of the above, but by doing so, you simply show how far the British race has fallen.

From a noble empire that did its finest work in creating the world's youngest democracy here (even if that work was subsequently perverted), to a nation of snivelling, grasping chavs... very sad.

So ignorance of one party and arrogance of the other. Lol

[jrandom]

So ignorance of one party and arrogance of the other. Lol

Ignorance of the party who didn't know how to phrase a concept properly in Maori?

I suppose...

[westie]

Ignorance of the party who didn't know how to phrase a concept properly in Maori?

I suppose...

Shit you're fast on the response!
Well more over, if a person thinks they're a victim they will become one. How long is this going to go for.

[jrandom]

How long is this going to go for.

As long as Maori kids keep getting brought up in violent negative environments where underachievement and criminality is expected and encouraged.

I can't think of any solutions off the top of my head, other than stuffing 'em all into gas chambers until the problem no longer exists. Apparently you're not allowed to do that these days, though. Someone tried it once, but was stupid enough to declare war on the entire world at the same time, and got distracted.

Like my dear old grandmother always said, y'know, do one job at a time and everything falls into place in the end.

So anyway. How about you? Any ideas?

[Ixion]

..

If the maoris dont like it, it's a bit late now. Their country was conquered a long time ago. It is under English rule now.

Not quite . In fact the maoris INVITED the Brits to come in and set up a government. Cos before that, there was no actual law in NZ. The whites around (mainly whalers and such) didn't recognise Maori laws (such as they were). And since it was not subject to British law (or French, or USA etc), you could do pretty much anything you wanted, provided you had enough guns. Which some whites, and some Maoris promptly set out to do. Massacring an awful lot of people along the way.

So a bunch of Maori chiefs, who were worried about what people like my great(n)-grandfather , and that Moari dude up north who killed off about half the population of the North Island, would do next, asked the British colonial government in Oz to take on NZ as well. Hence, Hobson.

However your statement is not strictly incorrect, since in the 60's and 80's the Maoris rebelled against their rightful sovereign lord (Queen Vic) and went to war with the government. Those rebellions were crushed and the lands of the rebels (who claimed not to be bound by the Treaty) confiscated by right of conquest. I have old reference works which specify the origin of all of the territories in the Empire. New Zealand is specified as "Cessation and conquest"

[westie]

As long as Maori kids keep getting brought up in violent negative environments where underachievement and criminality is expected and encouraged.

I can't think of any solutions off the top of my head, other than stuffing 'em all into gas chambers until the problem no longer exists. Apparently you're not allowed to do that these days, though. Someone tried it once, but was stupid enough to declare war on the entire world at the same time, and got distracted.

Like my dear old grandmother always said, y'know, do one job at a time and everything falls into place in the end.

So anyway. How about you? Any ideas?

Voted national

[Fatt Max]

Us brits know what is important in life, and that is:

1. Moaning
2. Whinging
3. Complaining
4. Moaning about people whinging
5. Complaining about all the people moaning about whingers
6. Whinging about the number of complaints from moaners
7. Moaning about another whingy complaint
8. Complaining about a whinging moaner who is moaning about a whinging complaint
9. The weather
10. Moaning, complaining and whinging about the weather

Nuff said

[jrandom]

Voted national

Don't think I've seen any National policies that are likely to change the Maori situation.

You'd do better to vote ACT and just starve the brown cunts into submission. Or into revolt. Which might cause issues if you had to put one down, come to think of it; most of the Army's Maori, innit?

[Ixion]

So anyway. How about you? Any ideas?

Sterilisation. Saves on the gas bill

Or, poison the KFC. Might lose a few whites as collateral damage though.

[jrandom]

Or, poison the KFC. Might lose a few whites as collateral damage though.

Not the sort we care about, mind you. They're only white on the outside.

[westie]

Wasn't the treaty claims meant to end already or is there some subclauses the english forgot they wrote in there?

[Ixion]

Not the sort we care about, mind you. They're only white on the outside.

Well, true. Could still depopulate half of West Auckland, though. Actually, there's nothing worse than a white nigger.

[jrandom]

Wasn't the treaty claims meant to end already or is there some subclauses the english forgot they wrote in there?

The English didn't write the 1985 amendment to the Treaty of Waitangi Act.

Seriously, I commend Michael King's 'The Penguin History of New Zealand' to your attention. We should really know the history of our own nation, eh?

[jrandom]

Well, true. Could still depopulate half of West Auckland, though.

That'd work for me. Less cunts in Holdens to filter through on the way home every night.

[Ixion]

Got a mirror ?

Actually, on reflection, I'm not sure. Is a white nigger worse than a black honky, or vice versa?

[westie]

That'd work for me. Less cunts in Holdens to filter through on the way home every night.

That cuts deep bro:crybaby:

What about if otara freezes over...That may be whats needed

[Fatt Max]

The English didn't write the 1985 amendment to the Treaty of Waitangi Act.

Seriously, I commend Michael King's 'The Penguin History of New Zealand' to your attention. We should really know the history of our own nation, eh?

Here here...

As a demented frog would say....readdit....

Great book

[piston broke]

well this thread has some nasty evil posts.
fark we all bleed red blood.

until the colour of a mans skin is of no more significanse(sp)
than the colour of his eyes there will be war.

robert nesta marley

[kezzafish]

well this thread has some nasty evil posts.
fark we all bleed red blood.

until the colour of a mans skin is of no more significanse(sp)
than the colour of his eyes there will be war.

robert nesta marley
agreed but.....
he was fukken stoned when he said that.....
he was fukken stoned always

[Hillbilly]

Hey - after three years of a National/Act Coalition Government you might all vote for the Maori Party next election! :bleh:

[fire eyes]

As long as Maori kids keep getting brought up in violent negative environments where underachievement and criminality is expected and encouraged.

I can't think of any solutions off the top of my head, other than stuffing 'em all into gas chambers until the problem no longer exists. Apparently you're not allowed to do that these days, though. Someone tried it once, but was stupid enough to declare war on the entire world at the same time, and got distracted.

hmmmmmmmmmm ... so many things to say & so little time .. right now I need to go and harvest my dope crop, its hard surviving on a benefit with 800 kids, all to different fathers whom I have no idea of thier identity .. I must have been flaked out from all the alcohol consumption .. Ill be sure to respond with that operational speck of intelligence that lastly resides in my brain once the tinis are sold.

[slimjim]

[QUOTE=jrandom;1809107]As long as Maori kids keep getting brought up in violent negative environment.....

I can't think of any solutions off the top of my head, other than stuffing 'em all into gas chambers until the problem no longer exists. Apparently you're not allowed to do that these days, though. Someone tried it once, but was stupid enough to declare war on the entire world at the same time, and got distracted...

dude..you for real....

[wbks]

troll?..........

[Finn]

While I detest MMP and the fact that we even have a Maori Party, I'm actually marginally impressed with what the Maori party are saying in that they've got to get off welfare. If they tackle this chronic problem alone, then many of the other social problems with Maori would be more manageable.

Nice move Key. The lefties are scratching their brainless heads. But, but, but...

[Pussy]

While I detest MMP and the fact that we even have a Maori Party, I'm actually marginally impressed with what the Maori party are saying in that they've got to get off welfare. If they tackle this chronic problem alone, then many of the other social problems with Maori would be more manageable.

Nice move Key. The lefties are scratching their brainless heads. But, but, but...
Same here, Finn. Shock horror... we may end up with a government for all of NZ!

Good riddance Labour

[Swoop]

Actually, there's nothing worse than a white nigger.
White people should just stick to their faggoty polka's and line dancing.

Nice move Key. The lefties are scratching their brainless heads. But, but, but...
Very good planning ahead...
Indeed.

[carver]

hmmmmmmmmmm ... so many things to say & so little time .. right now I need to go and harvest my dope crop, its hard surviving on a benefit with 800 kids, all to different fathers whom I have no idea of thier identity .. I must have been flaked out from all the alcohol consumption .. Ill be sure to respond with that operational speck of intelligence that lastly resides in my brain once the tinis are sold.

haha...nice play on stereotypes.
my origional post aint slagging off maori, its slagging off their corrupt political leaders

[doc]

the personally-wealthiest KBer I know grew up with a single mum on welfare.
New Zealand really does offer opportunity for all.

:gob: Na, they onto those multiple benefit scams now..

[fire eyes]

:hug: :bleh: great big kiss just for you Carver ...:2thumbsup

[Madness]

Maori kids keep getting brought up in violent negative environments where underachievement and criminality is expected and encouraged.

I can't think of any solutions off the top of my head, other than stuffing 'em all into gas chambers until the problem no longer exists.

I hope these gas chambers would accept non-maori that fall into the same category. Surely it's a societal problem and Maori are merely disproportionally represented. This country's woes are not exclusive to any race.

Life's pretty good in Queensland though I hear.

[SARGE]

in the States .. we have organizations like the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) and the UNCF (United Negro College Fund)


try that shit as the National Association for the Advancement of White People of the United White Folk College Fund and see how long it takes for the toys to start flying..

racism my fat ass.. dont seem to be such a problem in reverse..

[carver]

:hug: :bleh: great big kiss just for you Carver ...:2thumbsup

sorry, my pillion seat is only rated to 70kg...!!!
suzuki engineering, whats that about eh?
if you under that, sweet!

[fire eyes]

sorry, my pillion seat is only rated to 70kg...!!!
suzuki engineering, whats that about eh?
if you under that, sweet!

Ohh sweetheart ... I was offering a kiss as a friendly gesture .. riding you never entered this saucy girls imagination .. and yes .. this arse is over 70 kilos ... I would apologise with the upmost sincerity for that but I can hear the ice cream truck calling so ... toodles darling, enjoy your weekend!!!!! :love:

[slimjim]

Ohh sweetheart ... I was offering a kiss as a friendly gesture .. riding you never entered this saucy girls imagination .. and yes .. this arse is over 70 kilos ... I would apologise with the upmost sincerity for that but I can hear the ice cream truck calling so ... toodles darling, enjoy your weekend!!!!! :love:


lovely said.....:clap: