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James Deuce
14th November 2008, 17:57
My teeth are gritted so hard it hurts. The grippy surface of the Wainuiomata Hill is calling and there's a late model Toyota hogging the line in the tunnel and going really slowly. The pops and bangs on the overrun are entertaining though, amplified by the walls of the overbridge, and Grandma and Grandpa ahead are nervously stretching their neck vertebrae as far as they dare. Grandma's head nearly detaches as I wave enthusiastically.

A quick squirt of the chunky throttle and I'm already in fatal accident territory if I'd been riding, say, a Cross Bones (http://www.corgifan.com/blogger/08crossbones.jpg). Flop one way, flip the other, glance at the speedo and marvel that nothing has touched down. This motorcycle is like no other Harley I've ridden, except perhaps the Street Rod, but rather than glistening perfection the XR projects a faintly grubby and dangerous aura, one that suggests a steel shoe, no brakes, and aggressive sideways passing moves.

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The noise is intoxicating. Yes, the pipes are a bit fat, but they give off a sparkling metallic sheen, looking like something a glassblower has huffed and drawn out of glass straws and then polished with fine sandpaper. Even though the exhaust gasses have to go backwards and forwards twice to get out, the noise is brilliant, going from a "potato, potato" roar to a raspy induction noise tinged bellow, just before the rev limiter calls time out with a hiss like a boy racer's pop off valve.

Instead of imitating Chris Carr and chucking it sideways, not something the sticky Dunlops will let you do easily, you really do have brakes. Really good ones with lots of feel and power. I'm not sure Mr Carr would approve and I reckon Mert Lawill's top lip would be curled in disdain, but my word they work. This isn't your rear biased Harley cruiser of old, this thing can have you grunting with the effort to prevent yourself sliding up and over the brilliantly reinterpreted Sportster Peanut tank. Where the Nightster looked like a budget Bobbed Cruiser, the XR looks the business. Some have bagged the finish of this bike, but the matt mudguard, glavanised steering head bolt, and already scuffed hose clamps holding the exhaust system together, help give a feel of a bike that escaped from an oval and mugged some unsuspecting Japanese street bike, robbing it of wheels, tyres, and brakes. The gearbox and clutch action are a world away from Sporties of old. With those two big lumps bashing up and down the box will never be liquid smooth like a well looked after Gixer, but it's miles better than a Guzzi or Buell of recent times.

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I've ridden with, and marvelled at, the turn of pace a committed Sportster rider can summon up. The XR is in a different league altogether. Knees together instead of akimbo, leaning forward with bars more dirt bike in profile than buckhorn, you don't end up in that slightly odd (for me) Sportster riding postion that looks like you fell from a Gynaecologists table and landed on a bike. People who've never ridden a Harley before will jump on this and ride away without having to think about anything except Harley's unique indicator setup, a setup I'm slowly starting to appreciate, especially the self cancelling part of the equation.

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Why can't anyone else make mirrors like Harley? They don't look stupid either, only sticking out as far as they need to and they don't blur until 5500rpm. Legal limit cruising is at 3500rpm in top. They're clear as mountain spring water in normal riding.

It takes a while to get my head around actually giving a Harley some real berries, and then things start to ground. Pipes on the right, and footpeg on the left, but my word, I've almost used up all the surface of that 180/55x17 rear doing it. That's right, 17" wheels in proper sizes with proper rubber.

I can feel the back end of the motorcycle moving around now, slightly out of sync with the front. This thing is $16,750 and you can probably guess where money was saved. It wasn't saved carving the engine out of solid lumps of ore, and while it isn't a perfect copy of an XR 750, what with the pipes on the wrong side and like Triumph's attempt at retro resurrection with the Bonneville, a bit, well, big frankly to be a pukka replica, it still ticks enough retro boxes combined with a more than competent sporting chassis to be an exciting road bike.

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I'd love to own one. I've gone vaguely mental I know, but a week in New Plymouth with the excellent Mr Taylor's services to hand and I'd have the ground clearance and damping limitations sorted. Just like every Harley it's a starting point for personalisation, but for those of you who have realised that it ain't what you've got, it's how you use it, this will be the first Harley in a long time where improving the suspension will make it more fun to ride. I want to see a one make race series, one where you can only change shocks, fork internals and you are required by Act of Parliament to install Termignonis. I want to be on one of the race bikes showing junior that old equals cunning and tough, not conchos and fringes. For the first time in a long time this bike reminded me that sometimes fast is fast, not a bunch of numbers that you can pump up your bench racing ego with down at the pub.

Thanks to Wellington Motorcycles, especially Pete McDonald who lets me play with stuff I shouldn't be allowed near.

jrandom
14th November 2008, 18:08
Gnah. Geh. Drool. Great writeup, Jim, sounds like the bike is exactly what I expected.

All I've got to say is, if it'd been released 10 months earlier, I'd be riding one now.

Never mind, life is long...

:love:

MadDuck
14th November 2008, 18:16
Fantastic write up. Sounds like there a quite a few similarities between the XR and the XL from what you have said......

carver
14th November 2008, 18:21
so is it a sack of shit?

riffer
14th November 2008, 18:22
Damn. I need to ride it now.

Curse you Harley for first making a bike I really, really want.

And curse you James for making my worst fears come true - that's its actually a good bike too.

I need a whisky. Bastard.

martybabe
14th November 2008, 18:30
Superb collection of words JD, you've made a tasty looking motorcycle even more mouthwatering.

Top job. :niceone:

FJRider
14th November 2008, 18:37
so is it a sack of shit?

You, will need a mirror to see that...

carver
14th November 2008, 18:44
You, will need a mirror to see that...

to see you on your shitty FJ while i fly past you on my gixxer..
il see you in my mirrors

FJRider
14th November 2008, 18:52
to see you on your shitty FJ while i fly past you on my gixxer..
il see you in my mirrors

I doubt if you'll live long enough to see that... but keep trying...

persistance wins... eventually...

maybe...

maybe not...

James Deuce
14th November 2008, 18:56
so is it a sack of shit?
Depends on your perspective I reckon.

carver
14th November 2008, 18:59
I doubt if you'll live long enough to see that... but keep trying...

persistance wins... eventually...

maybe...

maybe not...

thats a bit grim, be more positive!

scumdog
14th November 2008, 19:28
Ride a 1200 'S' Sporty and post your comments, I bet there is bugger-all to chose between it and a XR1200, bugger-all....

jrandom
14th November 2008, 19:30
Ride a 1200 'S' Sporty and post your comments, I bet there is bugger-all to chose between it and a XR1200, bugger-all....

You really reckon? I'd be very surprised if that was the case. Does the 'S' sporty have the Buell heads, etc? The power specs on paper for the XR1200 seemed very very different from the Sportys.

And just based on photos I can't imagine the ground clearance is anywhere near similar.

James Deuce
14th November 2008, 19:30
Ride a 1200 'S' Sporty and post your comments, I bet there is bugger-all to chose between it and a XR1200, bugger-all....

Huge amount of horsepower difference and the overall chassis parts are much less "crude" on the XR.


It's all good though. Horse's for courses and all that.

MadDuck
14th November 2008, 19:31
Ride a 1200 'S' Sporty

Ok stupid question time. I have the 'L' which is obviously for 'Low'. What is the 'S' for ?

FJRider
14th November 2008, 19:34
thats a bit grim, be more positive!

I'm positive you will die before you see that... have a nice day...

Pussy
14th November 2008, 20:02
Great write up, Jim! I saw an XR1200 at Road and Sport M/C about a fortnight ago, and was VERY impressed with it. I'd have one :yes:

scumdog
14th November 2008, 20:42
Ok stupid question time. I have the 'L' which is obviously for 'Low'. What is the 'S' for ?

'S' for 'Sport'.

Has: Twin floating front discs, adjustable forks (top and bottom) and adjustable setting on rear shock for stiffness and ride-hight.

And the motor is solid mounted unlike late model 'rubber' Sportys.

And scads of ground-clearance.

Later ones had twin-plug heads, possibly more for smog than go.

MadDuck
14th November 2008, 20:53
'S' for 'Sport'.

Has: Twin floating front discs, adjustable forks (top and bottom) and adjustable setting on rear shock for stiffness and ride-hight.

And the motor is solid mounted unlike late model 'rubber' Sportys.

And scads of ground-clearance.

Later ones had twin-plug heads, possibly more for smog than go.


OK thanks for that. I have a huge learning curve going on with my new bike

ital916
14th November 2008, 21:19
OK thanks for that. I have a huge learning curve going on with my new bike

shes a puurty bike your one, gave it a lookover today, very nice.

MadDuck
14th November 2008, 21:27
shes a puurty bike your one, gave it a lookover today, very nice.

Hey thanks. Amazing that quite a few sports bike riders that give harleys shit admit that mine is kind of ok...:whistle:

AllanB
14th November 2008, 21:46
Thats a fine write-up there sir. :rockon:

That model is making 90 plus horses.


riding postion that looks like you fell from a Gynaecologists table and landed on a bike

I'm a bit worried about this, do you think one of those Gynnie persons could help with my hemroids?

Shadows
14th November 2008, 23:45
You really reckon? I'd be very surprised if that was the case. Does the 'S' sporty have the Buell heads, etc? The power specs on paper for the XR1200 seemed very very different from the Sportys.

And just based on photos I can't imagine the ground clearance is anywhere near similar.

For what it's worth, yes, the S had Thunderstorm heads. Compression is the same.

Lean angle wise the S loses out by 2.5º and 2º left/right. Near similar.

The claimed HP is irrelevant as it is found at the wrong end of the rev range for an Evo (and if you want to, the 20hp gap can be closed quite easily any way with a few $).

Torque, where it all counts, is the same between the two models.

Funny thing, the XR is heavier than the S.

Given identical riders, yes the XR would win a race around most tracks by a reasonable but not embarrassing margin but I'd say, as Scumdog did, in real world riding one would find bugger all difference between the S and the XR.

That does it. I'm going to inspect one in the flesh and take it for a spin to qualify my opinion one way or the other.

If it is a huge step up (although I don't think it will be) and on closer inspection I can get over the arse end of a jappa tacked on to the front end of a sporty look that I get from the photos - I will buy one on the spot.

In silver.

Shadows
14th November 2008, 23:54
Sportster riding postion that looks like you fell from a Gynaecologists table and landed on a bike.

I was wondering what to liken that too. I think you've nailed it.

Many a time I've seen my knees in the breeze shadow in front of me and had bit of a snigger at myself.

Fudmucker
15th November 2008, 04:19
Nice looking bike...! ;)
All it needs is a decent motor....

:dodge:

:Playnice:

James Deuce
15th November 2008, 05:52
Nice looking bike...! ;)
All it needs is a decent motor....

:dodge:

:Playnice:

Look who's talking Mr, "My Guzzi Engine is having a lie down".

James Deuce
15th November 2008, 05:53
If it is a huge step up (although I don't think it will be) and on closer inspection I can get over the arse end of a jappa tacked on to the front end of a sporty look that I get from the photos - I will buy one on the spot.

In silver.

You'd love it. You're just the man to wander around the Port Hills making little Gixer riders cry.

Storm
15th November 2008, 06:10
Look who's talking Mr, "My Guzzi Engine is having a lie down".

Not just a excellent scribe, but a wit as well! :) Is there no end to your talents Mr Jameson Double?

You must be doing well out of the advertising bonus Wgtn MC pays you for your writeups- a couple more and you'll get a free bike surely?

James Deuce
15th November 2008, 07:00
a couple more and you'll get a free bike surely?

Dude, I'm completely happy with my lot :)

I've been given the green light to have a crack at another bike soon, one I'm really looking forward to, and this one will be a bit more in depth.

Motu
15th November 2008, 08:05
I feel like Richard Pierce - pottering away in my shed and looking up in the sky to see a 747.I've been waiting a long long time for the rest of the motorcycling world to ''feel'' this about a bike.Superb write up Jim - the secret messages you slipped in just to give me a warm glow that bypass the others.....steel shoe,Chris Carr,Mert....

I have a special set of handlebars arriving from the USA next week....and then I'll wheel out of my shed the project I've been pottering away on.I'll show these young guys you don't need a 747 to fly high.....

Bonez
15th November 2008, 08:07
Good write up James. Hmmm Motu don't keep us in the dark too long.................

Bonez
15th November 2008, 11:19
Ride a 1200 'S' Sporty and post your comments, I bet there is bugger-all to chose between it and a XR1200, bugger-all....Its nice to have something from HD that looks totally different from their other offerings. Is an "S" model Sporty even offered now? There's an N, C, R(closest to the old S I think) and L model.

The XR certainly will have wider selection of tyres to choose having 17" rims.

scumdog
15th November 2008, 11:52
Its nice to have something from HD that looks totally different from their other offerings. Is an "S" model Sporty even offered now? There's an N, C, R(closest to the old S I think) and L model.

The XR certainly will have wider selection of tyres to choose having 17" rims.


Sadly they stopped being made around 2000 or so, the Yanks weren't buying lots of them

I guess they mostly figured they didn't need the handlng and in any event wouldn't have realised the difference in the models except the price.

"shoot boy, fer THAT price I could by a regular 1200 and a shitload of chrome an' Screaming Eagle stuff to put on the bike"

Also they cost H-D lots more to build than a standard 1200.

cobrettie
16th November 2008, 14:26
Great write up, bout time someone wrote something good about the XR.
I have just recently ridden one my self and have to say the best damn sportster yet. My only gripe about it is, that its a bit vibey below 3,000rpm which makes riding in 50, 60 kph areas unpleasant, but get it above 3,000 rpm and shes a beaut. Smooth and a real pleasure to ride, love it.

Motu
16th November 2008, 15:52
The XR certainly will have wider selection of tyres to choose having 17" rims.

One of the compromises to make it acceptable to the modern day rider.The XR750 (and any flattracker) has 19in rims with the same size tyres front and rear.That will actually handle really well on the road,but a rider brought up on 17 rims with fat low profile tyres wouldn't handle that really well.A lot of effort was put into the XR1200 to get it to feel like it almost might be a dirt tracker....but with the small fat rims and modern tyres that the buying public will be familiar with.

For me....there will be no compromise....

Crasherfromwayback
17th November 2008, 08:10
Ride a 1200 'S' Sporty and post your comments, I bet there is bugger-all to chose between it and a XR1200, bugger-all....

They're like night and day mate!

nudemetalz
17th November 2008, 11:54
When you're going bike-shopping, Jim,...don't forget to look at the Guzzi 8V Griso and Bellagio !!!!
(And call me when you are doing it !!)

vifferman
17th November 2008, 12:10
All I've got to say is, if it'd been released 10 months earlier, I'd be riding one now.
Would you, or would it be praked up in the gargre, like Betty?

Lovely review, Dr Deuce! :niceone:

jrandom
17th November 2008, 17:46
Would you, or would it be praked up in the gargre, like Betty?

Betty's not praked up in the gargre, she's at Chris Mitchell Motorcycles being race-prepped for PMCC round 1.

So if the XR1200 had been released 10 months earlier, I'd be the first person to race one in NZ! (Perhaps.)

(And lose, of course, but I'd be losing with style.)

Crasherfromwayback
17th November 2008, 18:00
Betty's not praked up in the gargre, she's at Chris Mitchell Motorcycles being race-prepped for PMCC round 1.

So if the XR1200 had been released 10 months earlier, I'd be the first person to race one in NZ! (Perhaps.)

(And lose, of course, but I'd be losing with style.)

If they reintroduce Sporty racing with the fuckers I'm gonna dust my leathers off. Probably in more ways than one!

riffer
19th November 2008, 19:51
A funny thing happened to me today while riding the XR1200.

I'd gotten to the Pauatahanui end of Grays Rd on my usual test ride loop of SH1, Grays Rd, Haywards, and SH2 back to Welly...

and I turned left...

Now as any Wellingtonian knows, left ain't going to take you back to Welly. Left is the turn to take if you have something worthy of punting over the goat track of death, the awesome Paekakariki Hill -

and you don't want to take a Harley over there for a test ride. You're in for a frustrating time - and horribly scratched pegs and pipes.

But this bike is different. You notice it at the first corner. Those wide bars and that 18 inch front make the bike tip in so sweetly and you lean it over expecting the crunch that doesn't come (well it did but I had to try very hard).

I'd thought it would be faster, but I'm spoiled through riding too many big bikes. But it's definitely not slow. It's up there with a Vrod for speed in most conditions and a lot more fun to ride - turns better, leans more and dare I say it - looks a LOT better too.

Harley Davidson have finally done it - made a Sportster that really is sporty. Shakes like crazy at idle. You can actually see the motor rocking back and forth. At 1500-3000 it sounds just like my lawnmower. Then you get to 3500 and grab WOT and all is forgiven. Its off - just like that. The tiny little speedo is at 135 before I know it - and I'm flying into a corner on Grays - a 60km/hr one, pulling on the brakes (cause it's a Harley and they're supposed to wobble around corners) and cursing myself as I go around at 90 because it could have gone through sooooo much smoother if I was going another 10 or 15 km/hr quicker. The brakes are good too - definitely keep up with the bike.

If I had to have any criticism of the bike it would probably be the finish. However given the price point ($16.5K) I would be very surprised if it had the quality of a Harley costing $10K more. The steering head bolt looks a bit cheap and some of the other bolts had a bit of a "Chinese" look to them as well. But these are minor details and easily remedied. Most Harley owners like to customise their bike and anodised bolts are easy to get.

I love Harley indicators. So intuitive. You push the indicator button on the side you want to indicate and push it again to stop. Or after a while it just stops. Magic.

You want to know the worst thing about this bike? You can't buy one. Apparently they're all gone.

I've just added it to the next bike contender list. In two years there's going to be a second hand one for sale.

or else.. :angry:

Big Dave
22nd November 2008, 08:48
http://www.kiwirider.co.nz/photos.html

Shadows
9th December 2008, 18:21
Looks like it's a winner.

Now to be released in their domestic market.

http://www.alefshd.com/news_article.asp?id=3430

Moki
23rd December 2008, 21:13
The XR1200 looks a swt ride!:niceone:

Shadows
28th February 2009, 14:02
That does it. I'm going to inspect one in the flesh and take it for a spin to qualify my opinion one way or the other.

If it is a huge step up (although I don't think it will be) and on closer inspection I can get over the arse end of a jappa tacked on to the front end of a sporty look that I get from the photos - I will buy one on the spot.

In silver.


You'd love it. You're just the man to wander around the Port Hills making little Gixer riders cry.

Don't say I'm not a man of my word.

Now that I've seen it in the flesh and I've gotten over the look I put my money down on a pewter denim one today.

I'm sure it'll be a hoot, I'll test ride it later (it's pissing down today).

Anybody wanna buy a sporty sport?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=93708

James Deuce
28th February 2009, 16:18
Ah sweet! You did have a good reason!