Contemplation.

[madbikeboy]

Someone asked me today why I’m so hard on a certain type of person, the old skiddy, and the current Craver/Moron Many. I didn’t have an answer for them, aside from a brief explanation that they set a dumb precedent for newbies entering the site.

While that’s kind of true, and since after attending a funeral today, I’m feeling in a contemplative mood; I thought I’d better start telling the whole truth of why the Cravers of the world feel the force of my scorn and derision.

Let us get one thing straight from the get go. Knitting is a hobby. Golf is a hobby, (although even more frustrating that knitting). Even collecting stamps is a hobby. Motorcycling is more than that.

Motorcycling is much more than a simple way to pass time; while for some it starts out as pastime, or even cheap transport; after a while for some, motorcycling transcends the mundane. It transcends age, gender, socio-economic status, and even education. It is a love affair that is stronger than human relationships, and even after decades of not riding, even Born Agains come full circle to embrace the freedom and thrill again – the decades between a blur of normalcy with the release of riding again; gaining something so precious lost in youth and life mature.

And, it is thrilling. There are few activities where life and death, speed and visceral pleasure are so closely intertwined. More addictive than cocaine, we are solo thrill seekers, bounded only by physics and velocity, caught in a maelstrom of noise and speed. And danger. The linkage between game and game over is clear, even to the bystanders who watch with little understanding or empathy. To us, the players ourselves, we feel alive by walking that edge between soaring and the plunge into the abyss.

We honour those who die, but the young and shallow alike play like simpletons between the multitude of dangers; either blissfully unaware cloaked within the comfort of ignorance – or worse, quietly afraid but openly arrogant.

The Cravers of the world fall into the latter category. Their utter disrespect for something so unique and contempt for the experienced and wise of our community, their disregard and inevitable conclusion clear to all but them.

I’m not suggesting it’s some cult, some new religion; motorcycling transcends even that. It connects our soul with something more timeless. Visiting shrines like Ken McIntosh’s workshop, or standing by a racetrack feeling the velocity of the shockwaves passing with each bike’s passage. Sitting with others, talking in quiet tones about our individual experiences, creating shared understanding. The community of people – I am thinking of MOM right now as I write this after her work over the past few days, for someone else who had worked for our community of bikers. We have language, protocol, kata or of our own. Responsibility is the most sublime of duties.

But this, my friends, the people who get this without long explanation, is why I chose to share the company of people who wear dead cow, and why I’ll continue to criticise and deride the likes of Craver.

Mock this honesty if you will, but I think a fair few of you would agree with the sentiment.

[Katman]

Mock this honesty if you will, but I think a fair few of you would agree with the sentiment.

I shall never mock anything you post Mike (and in fact, agree with the vast majority of what you say) - please accept however, that I have chosen to concentrate on the 5% of Carver's personality that I think marks him for something special.

(If the other 95% ever gets the upper hand then heaven help us all).

:msn-wink:

[Big Dave]

A lot of what they do is satire. Take it as that and don't burn a valve.

[madbikeboy]

I shall never mock anything you post Mike (and in fact, agree with the vast majority of what you say) - please accept however, that I have chosen to concentrate on the 5% of Carver's personality that I think marks him for something special.

(If the other 95% ever gets the upper hand then God help us all).

:msn-wink:

It's all good KMan, I've got enough hate for Craver all by myself. :)

[madbikeboy]

A lot of what they do is satire. Take it as that and don't burn a valve.

170kph wheelstands, half cut, with even drunker pillions don't fit my understanding of the word satire. And I love sarcasm and black humour as much as the next cynic...

[Squiggles]

So when are we all having a beer? :D

[Big Dave]

170kph wheelstands, half cut, with even drunker pillions don't fit my understanding of the word satire.

'Darwin takes the piss.'

[Katman]

So when are we all having a beer? :D

Where the fuck were you last weekend?

[madbikeboy]

'Darwin takes the piss.'

My mate Grim will take what's left over in accordance with the Big D's law (pardon the obvious and laboured pun).

[Big Dave]

My mate Grim will take what's left over in accordance with the Big D's law (pardon the obvious and laboured pun).

Thing is mad, it's only internet dribble, if you are getting out of shape on it at this emotional time - switch it off for a while.
The world carries on unchanged.

[MadDuck]

Let us get one thing straight from the get go. Knitting is a hobby. Golf is a hobby, (although even more frustrating that knitting). Even collecting stamps is a hobby. Motorcycling is more than that.

Yes it is. When I went to manfeild to race a KR150 I remember saying to a customer...well it beats sittting home knitting...he laughed




It transcends age, gender, socio-economic status, and even education.

Yes it does. No one knows how much I have or dont have.




I am thinking of MOM right now as I write this after her work over the past few days, for someone else who had worked for our community of bikers.

Isnt it a great community to be part of with people like MOM watching and helping?



But this, my friends, the people who get this without long explanation, is why I chose to share the company of people who wear dead cow, and why I’ll continue to criticise and deride the likes of Craver.

Thank you for sharing and nice to meet you today

[Squiggles]

Where the fuck were you last weekend?

Counting all the fucking votes, that % in the corner of the tv doesnt go up on its own :buggerd:

[Katman]

Counting all the fucking votes, that % in the corner of the tv doesnt go up on its own :buggerd:

Lol, fair enough.

See you next time I'm up that way.

[Ixion]

I tried knitting once , but I could not get the hang of it. I did not know that Mr Carver was interested in such a pasttime. The homonymic gentleman is much interested in recipes, perhaps the two should get together and form a 'Little Housewives' circle.

I tried glof once too, but I regret to say that I did not finish the course, because I got severely sidetracked doing doughnuts in the glof cart, and trying to see whether I could drive it through the sand traps and the pond. I was asked to leave.

[Pedrostt500]

There are people in this world who we all as individuals will take an instant dislike to, for what ever reason, mostly it is because they rub us up the wrong way, or because they remind us of what we dont like about our selves, or how we were when we were a certain age, the reasons are numourus.
once we have taken a dislike to some one it is often very hard to change our view point of that person, what we have to be careful of is we dont get enrolled into how some one else negativly views a person, their reasons may be justifyed to themselves, but to fail to form our own individual opinions is dangerous because that is when we stop being a free thinking individual and become yet another Sheeple.
There are certain topics that are brought up on this web site that I dont bother to read as I know that the only way I will react to them is badly, there are certain individuals who I dont bother reading their posts or threads, as I know that it is not worth my energy to get angry about what some Muppet thinks or says, it is hard not to take the bait some times, that is laid out infront of us, it is better to choose the battles we wish to fight, than fight every battle.

[Motu]

Check up on Carver in 30 years.....you can shake your (walking) stick at him then.We didn't have the internet when I was young and shallow...and disrespect and contempt for our elders was a badge of honour.The very wise of the motorcycling community taught me riding skills on many levels,and never once told me what I obviously was - and they have earned my immense respect.

[MadDuck]

There are people in this world who we all as individuals will take an instant dislike to, for what ever reason, mostly it is because they rub us up the wrong way, or because they remind us of what we dont like about our selves, or how we were when we were a certain age, the reasons are numourus.

Sorry but you have that so wrong.

[Katman]

Sorry but you have that so wrong.

I'm surprised - I thought he was spot on.

[toycollector10]

Mad's got all contemplative tonight after the funeral of a friend.

As we do.

I'm not judging him.

The complete opposite of Carver who enjoys poking conventional thinking in the eye. He's pretty much all bullshit and bluster.

Fill your boots Carver, it's just the internet and all the crap that goes with it. No one really cares what you think or do. Maybe you live at home with your mother and don't have a GF, who cares, I don't.

So here' my two bobs-worth. (google it mate)....

There are the riders who park their bikes, begin to walk away and then stop. They turn and look back. They see something when they look at their bikes that you might not. Something more complex, something that is almost secret, sensed rather than known. They see their passion. They see a part of themselves

That's been my favourtie quote for some time. A bit mushy but I like it.

[MadDuck]

I'm surprised - I thought he was spot on.

Well then theres the people off here you thought were your friends and could trust....but its the interweb right?

[ital916]

Fight the establishment people, disobey the man..live your own life...burn the bra! I'm all for getting rid of bras.

p/t

I reckon carver will come right in time, youth of today are hot headed, quick to act stupid and slow to act like a sane human being. I know, I'm one of them. I think with carver the problem isn't his uphimself over the top attitude *which I have heard is not his persona in real life which is more akin to shy and retiring until a certain sidekick turns up*, but his choice of applying his attitude to a hobby that requires maturity, clarity of thought and responsibility for ones actions realising they will affect not only themselves but others.

Unfortunately and sadly this maturity and repsonsibility is not found in sufficient quantity in a lot of motorcyclists *myself included, I've dnoe some silly things on bikes and 100m down the road gone "that was stupid" and is learnt the hard way in some cases; in carvers case it could be leading in that direction.

The more you moan about carver online the more he will stir and act the fool, ignore him, and hopefully he will fade into the background like in reality and find the maturity he requires; fingers crossed no one, himself included os hurt in the process.

[ital916]

Well then theres the people off here you thought were your friends and could trust....but its the interweb right?

:calm:,lets not be nasty, tis the internet, if I met mr katman in real life I'm sure he would be a pleasant fellow.

[FJRider]

:calm:,lets not be nasty, tis the internet, if I met mr katman in real life I'm sure he would be a pleasant fellow.

everybody is entitled to their opinion... you ... me .... Carver...hey I'm just a smarty-pants, what do I know...

[madbikeboy]

There was a statement above that said we dislike things about others that we see in ourselves as well - there could be truth to that. But more as well, there can be depth of thought (sometimes?).

Anyhow, I'm not sitting in a wallow of self pity, I'm actually about to see if I can find some glof lessons. Apparently you can offroading in glof carts, and now that there is horsepower and anti-social misuse, I think I'm starting to take an interest... :banana:

[jrandom]

Motorcycling is fun, I don't like carver.

That's deep, bro. Deep.

:laugh:

[Stickchick]

I took up riding at a ripe age of 31 (yes I know that's old) however I'm a huge nana rider and people that have ridden with me knows this. We have "carvers" back home and my parents and friends see their antics and assume that all motorcyclists are like that. So its people like Carver that I keep getting the lectures about safety on a bike from anyone I talk to back home. It could be easy to just ignore which I have done so many times but when you lose a few friends that were doing nothing but just enjoying their ride (they have been on their bike for quite a few years not noobs either) and then you see the mormon few doing tricks etc you just wonder where the justification is.

I know that anyone can make mistakes and it could happen to any skilled rider, however I just don't understand why these types of riders are tempting fate and mostly get a way with it.

[Grahameeboy]

Motorcycling is not a way of life, it is a pastime, hobby what ever you want to call it...an extension of our life...yes there is a difference between riding a motorbike and playing golf...yes I park my bike, walk away and look back...like when I kayak to Rangitoto and look back...and have a big smile wider than a prostitutes legs...(no idea why that came out) but no disrespect to Nasty..who I have met and is a wonderful person, dying what I enjoy most is not whilst riding my bike because I enjoy spending time with Natalie most...if that makes sense.

Take Maha's rides, it is not just motorbikes that brings the guys and gals together...it is a common interest but what brings them together is that they enjoy eachother's company....yes being a motorcylist is special I agree...when younger I did a lot of climbing and mountaineering...the best bit was the camp when you would get your Trangia going, put the kettle on, chat crap to your mates and talk about the climb...just like motorcycling.

Carver...only met you once...:blink:

Madbikeboy...I understand your sentiments and enjoyed meeting you and Katman the other weekend...just don't get too judgemental please...I suspect that few look upto Carver and his antics.

God Bless Motorcyclists

[MotoGirl]

I know that anyone can make mistakes and it could happen to any skilled rider, however I just don't understand why these types of riders are tempting fate and mostly get a way with it.

I tend to believe that it comes down to one of two things: whether you scare yourself enough to stop doing what you're doing, or whether it kills you first. Being irresponsible or dangerous normally catches up and bites you in the arse, eventually.

[SixPackBack]

Who cares madbikeboy???...............Carver may well kill himself, but when the online hand ringing has died down how will it affect you??.........do you know him well??...is he family??.........if not the affect will be minimal to you and 99% of the online KB world.
People die, regardless of circumstances pain to those left behind is inevitable. Believing motorcyclists are somehow affected beyond the norm is illogical.

[CookMySock]

Fight the establishment people, disobey the man..live your own life...burn the bra! I'm all for getting rid of bras.

p/tDamn, I nearly raised my fist in emotive salute, tear in eye, there, and then I saw the p/t. Oh well..


I reckon carver will come right in time, youth of today are hot headed, quick to act stupid and slow to act like a sane human being.Nah hes just taking the piss on an Internet forum, as Big Dave observes. The problem occurs when the PC brigade blows a fuse over it and let the abuse flow. As usual.


but his choice of applying his attitude to a hobby that requires maturity, clarity of thought and responsibility for ones actions realising they will affect not only themselves but others.Of course, you are right. But we each WILL live our lives how we choose and it really is none of anyone elses business. Celebrate that we can choose!

I hesitate to reveal things about myself on KB now.. The facts are, no person on KB is affected in the slightest about what I do or do not do, so pouring anger upon one another just ties up our lives in a bitter fashion, and maybe that is a valid use of KB for some people - perhaps they feel angry about where they have come from in their lives.

I think a lot of bitterness on KB is simply poor behaviour. I'm going to stop doing it, or responding to it.


Steve

[Big Dave]

Motorcycling is not a way of life,

Maybe not yours - but it can be.

[Number One]

switch it off for a while. The world carries on unchanged.

it really does ;)


There are people in this world who we all as individuals will take an instant dislike to, for what ever reason, mostly it is because they rub us up the wrong way, or because they remind us of what we dont like about our selves, or how we were when we were a certain age, the reasons are numourus.
once we have taken a dislike to some one it is often very hard to change our view point of that person, what we have to be careful of is we dont get enrolled into how some one else negativly views a person, their reasons may be justifyed to themselves, but to fail to form our own individual opinions is dangerous because that is when we stop being a free thinking individual and become yet another Sheeple.

Absolutely right. We are all flawed and it takes a very short time upon meeting someone for each to form a 'view/sense or feeling' of and about the other. It's instinctive and questionning your mental models about why someone might 'really not click with you' can be quite revealing.


There are certain topics that are brought up on this web site that I dont bother to read as I know that the only way I will react to them is badly, there are certain individuals who I dont bother reading their posts or threads, as I know that it is not worth my energy to get angry about what some Muppet thinks or says, it is hard not to take the bait some times, that is laid out infront of us, it is better to choose the battles we wish to fight, than fight every battle.

True that -for me, given it's the internet - sometimes it's kinda fun to go with that vitriole and jump in boots and all. Not particularly mature of me I know :rolleyes: but meh, shit happens and the internet is where I am free to be the most imperfect me I can...that really is a gift and a relaease for me - in every other part of my life I am required and expected to be sensible, responsible, tolerant, professional, friendly and a whole heap of other things that drain my energy over time. It's nice to let loose and have a good rant or bitch on here - though I have tended to keep my bitches to the Bitch forum lately..they really are all good bitches in there :hug: Besides - Those that know me know that while I am fairly crazy I also give a shit about those good people around me and would step up to help in any way I can.


Check up on Carver in 30 years.....you can shake your (walking) stick at him then.We didn't have the internet when I was young and shallow...and disrespect and contempt for our elders was a badge of honour.The very wise of the motorcycling community taught me riding skills on many levels,and never once told me what I obviously was - and they have earned my immense respect.

Nice, well said


Bless Motorcyclists

tee hee hee you made a prostitute crack ;) and as for that bit quoted - I concur completely.


I tend to believe that it comes down to one of two things: whether you scare yourself enough to stop doing what you're doing, or whether it kills you first. Being irresponsible or dangerous normally catches up and bites you in the arse, eventually.

I agree completely


People die, regardless of circumstances pain to those left behind is inevitable. Believing motorcyclists are somehow affected beyond the norm is illogical.

I agree and disagree here.
I DO think a motorcyclist killed affects other motorcyclists more so than if joe bloggs dies some other such way. I believe this is due in part to a lot of what MMB said. We are all cogniscent of the fact that riding is dangerous and that we could die and be taken away from the people we love. I have never sat in other non biker funerals and questionned my love for this sport, and had it brough front of mind to consider my own funeral arrangements and 'grieving' needs. Everytime I go to a riders funeral (far too many now I must say!) I end up contemplating my riding style and abilities, the reasons I continue to do it despite the risks, what I would want my son to know if I died on my bike and well heaps of other stuff - this doesn't happen at funerals caused by other things. Sorry rah rah rah - boil it down...I am way more affected by rider deaths (whether I know them or not) than I am by the death of others doing non biking things....(excluding friends and loved ones deaths of course!!!)

[slofox]

Motorcycling is much more than a simple way to pass time; while for some it starts out as pastime, or even cheap transport; after a while for some, motorcycling transcends the mundane. It transcends age, gender, socio-economic status, and even education. It is a love affair that is stronger than human relationships, and even after decades of not riding, even Born Agains come full circle to embrace the freedom and thrill again – the decades between a blur of normalcy with the release of riding again; gaining something so precious lost in youth and life mature.

Deep, bro, deep...........

[Swoop]

Fuck this thread is funny...


I tried glof once too, but I regret to say that I did not finish the course, because I got severely sidetracked doing doughnuts in the glof cart, and trying to see whether I could drive it through the sand traps and the pond. I was asked to leave.
I believe that could be the beginnings of a "Mormon Few" Prospect...

[ital916]

this one for you db,

Fight the establishment people, disobey the man..live your own life...burn the bra!!!! I'm all for getting rid of bras!!!

CMON PEOPLE LETS GET A RIOT GOING

[MIXONE]

this one for you db,

Fight the establishment people, disobey the man..live your own life...burn the bra!!!! I'm all for getting rid of bras!!!

CMON PEOPLE LETS GET A RIOT GOING

I don't wear a bra,can I burn my boxers instead?

[Katman]

I don't wear a bra,can I burn my boxers instead?

Preferably while you're wearing them.

[MIXONE]

Preferably while you're wearing them.

I got infracted for calling you a wanker last time so best not do that again eh.

[Number One]

I got infracted for calling you a wanker last time so best not do that again eh.
Also one musn't refer to people as cocks...apparently whore or slut is ok if you so choose...though, not really relevant or imagineable in this case :lol:

[Katman]

You guys (and gals) are pussies.

Infraction points rock.

[MIXONE]

You guys (and gals) are pussies.

Infraction points rock.

Oh ok in that case.You are a WANKER

[Katman]

Oh ok in that case.You are a WANKER

Now that feels better, doesn't it?

But rather than just having a little pissy cry about your infraction points, count them up instead.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=85215

[AlBundy]

There are people in this world who we all as individuals will take an instant dislike to, for what ever reason.

Yeah, like Katman...

He's just a cock!

Wait, wait... What was it last time?

A biased two-face... Yeah, I think that was it....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Grahameeboy]

Maybe not yours - but it can be.

True but I was tryimg to put across a different point...I know I prefer to catch up with Kiwibikers and was just telling Nasty a few moments ago how much less support she would have if she was not a member of KB...I guess I go for life balance

[Kiwi Graham]

There are the riders who park their bikes, begin to walk away and then stop. They turn and look back. They see something when they look at their bikes that you might not. Something more complex, something that is almost secret, sensed rather than known. They see their passion. They see a part of themselves



I hear ya dude,:niceone:

[Tank]

The problem occurs when the PC brigade blows a fuse over it

You mean when they blow a fuse and "Take It International"?




I think a lot of bitterness on KB is simply poor behaviour.

The fact is that you type a lot of tripe - People calling it for what it is isn't bitterness - some of your post are so stupid I end up snorting coffee out my nose. How can I be bitter when Im pissing myself laughing at you?

[jrandom]

People calling it for what it is isn't bitterness - some of your post are so stupid I end up snorting coffee out my nose.

That's the problem for me, too. On the whole, I prefer to be polite to people, but DB's posts make it impossible not to be derisive.

Meh. He's a whinging bitch; he'll shut up and/or fuck off sooner or later. They always do.

[FJRider]

That's the problem for me, too. On the whole, I prefer to be polite to people, but DB's posts make it impossible not to be derisive.

Meh. He's a whinging bitch; he'll shut up and/or fuck off sooner or later. They always do.

Its never been a "problem" for me... I keep the computer out of snorting range.
Few of my comments are anything other than "smartypants" ..... those that take them any other way is their problem...
There are a few on site... and we live in hope... but they can be entertaining...

[Headbanger]

Sweeeet, all the melodrama of KB wrapped into one little thread.

Almost anyway.

Anyhow, Nothing wrong with Carver's posts, If they get your het up, then he played his part well.

I fucking laughed when he stood on the car bonnet, near naked, and dancing as it drove around the Mormon church.

[FJRider]

Sweeeet, all the melodrama of KB wrapped into one little thread.

Almost anyway.

Anyhow, Nothing wrong with Carver's posts, If they get your het up, then he played his part well.

I fucking laughed when he stood on the car bonnet, near naked, and dancing as it drove around the Mormon church.

I wonder if he'll try it around a Police station... we'll see if the law has a sense of humor... I'd (almost) pay to see that vid'...

[wbks]

Ghost Prancer-Ghost prancer gets semi nude at cop shop
Actually, someone should do that ( car surfing nude/semi) with tape over their plates while going past a few cops walking around.

[pritch]

I fucking laughed when he stood on the car bonnet, near naked, and dancing as it drove around the Mormon church.

Was that before or after that guy removed himself from the gene pool doing something very similar?

Some people are slow learners.

[Headbanger]

Was that before or after that guy removed himself from the gene pool doing something very similar?

Some people are slow learners.

I hear one or two persons have also been killed on Bikes, even when riding at the speed limit and wearing safety gear, I suggest everyone "learn quick" and sell our bikes.

Don't just speak it, Live it.




I'm entirely behind anyone taking any risk they personally feel happy with, Its their neck, their life.

[PrincessBandit]

I fucking laughed when he stood on the car bonnet, near naked, and dancing as it drove around the Mormon church.

Yah, ok, now i'm just going to HAVE to have a look. sick puppy that i am. Except I don't know where to find it. Would PD be good place to start?

[Katman]

Yah, ok, now i'm just going to HAVE to have a look. sick puppy that i am. Except I don't know where to find it. Would PD be good place to start?

Be warned - you might never be the same again.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=84341

(For the record - yes, I laughed)

[FJRider]

Except I don't know where to find it.

Would PD be good place to start?

A vid' starring Carver... do yourself a favor... don't go looking......

It's a good place to finish...

[Pussy]

Yah, ok, now i'm just going to HAVE to have a look. sick puppy that i am. Except I don't know where to find it. Would PD be good place to start?

Don't do it, Dawn!! :crazy:

[carver]

The Cravers of the world fall into the latter category. Their utter disrespect for something so unique and contempt for the experienced and wise of our community, their disregard and inevitable conclusion clear to all but them.

But this, my friends, the people who get this without long explanation, is why I chose to share the company of people who wear dead cow, and why I’ll continue to criticise and deride the likes of Craver.

Mock this honesty if you will, but I think a fair few of you would agree with the sentiment.

lets see it this way, you have nothing but contempt for the experience and skills i have, you write me off as some talentless squid...
criticise me all you want, to quote "chopper"

"Beethoven had his critics, lets see if you can name 5 of them?"


It's all good KMan, I've got enough hate for Craver all by myself. :)

hate me all you want, nothings going to change.



once we have taken a dislike to some one it is often very hard to change our view point of that person, what we have to be careful of is we dont get enrolled into how some one else negativly views a person, their reasons may be justifyed to themselves, but to fail to form our own individual opinions is dangerous because that is when we stop being a free thinking individual and become yet another Sheeple.


true, very true...


Check up on Carver in 30 years.....you can shake your (walking) stick at him then.We didn't have the internet when I was young and shallow...and disrespect and contempt for our elders was a badge of honour.The very wise of the motorcycling community taught me riding skills on many levels,and never once told me what I obviously was - and they have earned my immense respect.

thats the one, you have to learn your own way, and by making mistakes i guess....



Fight the establishment people, disobey the man..live your own life...burn the bra! I'm all for getting rid of bras.

p/t

I reckon carver will come right in time, youth of today are hot headed, quick to act stupid and slow to act like a sane human being. I know, I'm one of them. I think with carver the problem isn't his uphimself over the top attitude *which I have heard is not his persona in real life which is more akin to shy and retiring until a certain sidekick turns up*, but his choice of applying his attitude to a hobby that requires maturity, clarity of thought and responsibility for ones actions realising they will affect not only themselves but others.

Unfortunately and sadly this maturity and repsonsibility is not found in sufficient quantity in a lot of motorcyclists *myself included, I've dnoe some silly things on bikes and 100m down the road gone "that was stupid" and is learnt the hard way in some cases; in carvers case it could be leading in that direction.

The more you moan about carver online the more he will stir and act the fool, ignore him, and hopefully he will fade into the background like in reality and find the maturity he requires; fingers crossed no one, himself included os hurt in the process.

haha...my upbringing?

fuck off, you people are a little wayward in your thinking.

i enjoy what i do, and shall not stop.

no other reason.

alot of what i post is true, as far fetched as it seems


Who cares madbikeboy???...............Carver may well kill himself, but when the online hand ringing has died down how will it affect you??.........do you know him well??...is he family??.........if not the affect will be minimal to you and 99% of the online KB world.
People die, regardless of circumstances pain to those left behind is inevitable. Believing motorcyclists are somehow affected beyond the norm is illogical.

but thats the KB way.

whats the bet, if i died:


there would be alot of "i told you so threads" even if it had nothing to do with bikes, that would be the topic
skidmark would blabber on about being my best friend
there would be a big "lets all grow up" push




Fuck this thread is funny...


I believe that could be the beginnings of a "Mormon Few" Prospect...

i was impressed ixon, we need that on film


Sweeeet, all the melodrama of KB wrapped into one little thread.

Almost anyway.

Anyhow, Nothing wrong with Carver's posts, If they get your het up, then he played his part well.

I fucking laughed when he stood on the car bonnet, near naked, and dancing as it drove around the Mormon church.

i laughed doing it!

so many people on here cant quite accept the riding ability of other including myself to some extent.

if you say ya good, we'll put ya down!


A vid' starring Carver... do yourself a favor... don't go looking......

It's a good place to finish...

nope, look, we are the mormon few!

INTERNATIONAL

[beyond]

I hear ya dude,:niceone:

Anyone with a 1400 would :)

[Grahameeboy]

nope, look, we are the mormon few!

INTERNATIONAL

The operative phrase....:lol:

[carver]

The operative phrase....:lol:

well, were doing pretty good at the moment.
there are apparently some dudes in the uk a bit like us on you tube.
cant find them though

[Grahameeboy]

well, were doing pretty good at the moment.
there are apparently some dudes in the uk a bit like us on you tube.
cant find them though

Boxhill more likely....

[beyond]

Someone asked me today why I’m so hard on a certain type of person, the old skiddy, and the current Craver/Moron Many. I didn’t have an answer for them, aside from a brief explanation that they set a dumb precedent for newbies entering the site.

While that’s kind of true, and since after attending a funeral today, I’m feeling in a contemplative mood; I thought I’d better start telling the whole truth of why the Cravers of the world feel the force of my scorn and derision.

Let us get one thing straight from the get go. Knitting is a hobby. Golf is a hobby, (although even more frustrating that knitting). Even collecting stamps is a hobby. Motorcycling is more than that.

Motorcycling is much more than a simple way to pass time; while for some it starts out as pastime, or even cheap transport; after a while for some, motorcycling transcends the mundane. It transcends age, gender, socio-economic status, and even education. It is a love affair that is stronger than human relationships, and even after decades of not riding, even Born Agains come full circle to embrace the freedom and thrill again – the decades between a blur of normalcy with the release of riding again; gaining something so precious lost in youth and life mature.

And, it is thrilling. There are few activities where life and death, speed and visceral pleasure are so closely intertwined. More addictive than cocaine, we are solo thrill seekers, bounded only by physics and velocity, caught in a maelstrom of noise and speed. And danger. The linkage between game and game over is clear, even to the bystanders who watch with little understanding or empathy. To us, the players ourselves, we feel alive by walking that edge between soaring and the plunge into the abyss.

We honour those who die, but the young and shallow alike play like simpletons between the multitude of dangers; either blissfully unaware cloaked within the comfort of ignorance – or worse, quietly afraid but openly arrogant.

The Cravers of the world fall into the latter category. Their utter disrespect for something so unique and contempt for the experienced and wise of our community, their disregard and inevitable conclusion clear to all but them.

I’m not suggesting it’s some cult, some new religion; motorcycling transcends even that. It connects our soul with something more timeless. Visiting shrines like Ken McIntosh’s workshop, or standing by a racetrack feeling the velocity of the shockwaves passing with each bike’s passage. Sitting with others, talking in quiet tones about our individual experiences, creating shared understanding. The community of people – I am thinking of MOM right now as I write this after her work over the past few days, for someone else who had worked for our community of bikers. We have language, protocol, kata or of our own. Responsibility is the most sublime of duties.

But this, my friends, the people who get this without long explanation, is why I chose to share the company of people who wear dead cow, and why I’ll continue to criticise and deride the likes of Craver.

Mock this honesty if you will, but I think a fair few of you would agree with the sentiment.

Awesome post and bling duly awarded
BUT:
The Cravers might be a new breed but I can assure you they enjoy motorcycling as much as you I and expoound their love of bikes in a much different way.
They tend to be offhand, almost mocking but they are just taking the piss and when one of their own machines finally coughs and dies or meets an early end they are just as upset as you or I. The last thing they really want to see is one of their mates sliding down the ride wearing away muscle and bone.

I like them. I've seen the exuberance of the younger "y" generation and I honestly have a good laugh at their videos.

I enjoy banter with them, I like riding with them the odd time I have and they make life fun which I really think, it's meant to be.

Theres too many heartaches and things that go wrong in life not to have a good laugh when someone is really just taking the piss.

In fact, when you get to know them, most people have some redeeming feature or something about them that you can like.

I think we need to focus on the positive. Too many young people are around for too short a time and I think we need to make these ones feel appreciated.

Life? I love it :)

[carver]

why do you guys always talk about me?

threads about my life expectancy, and what a wanker i am blah blah...

i find it funny, cause 98% of you have no idea of who carver is!

[wbks]

they crave the carvers knife

[beyond]

Be warned - you might never be the same again.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=84341

(For the record - yes, I laughed)

So did I mate and a lot :)

[carver]

our videos are spreading!

http://www.gamesfather.com/video/BestzDds1Q5mVrw.htm

http://utube.smashits.com/videos/bydate/mormon-jokes.html

http://www.errachidia.org/tv/1-cbf250.html

im staggered at how our videos do.

[beyond]

im staggered at how our videos do.


I'm not. They are good value and give a bloody good laugh.
Be honoured to do one with you guys soon. Video that is :)

[madbikeboy]

our videos are spreading!

http://www.gamesfather.com/video/BestzDds1Q5mVrw.htm

http://utube.smashits.com/videos/bydate/mormon-jokes.html

http://www.errachidia.org/tv/1-cbf250.html

im staggered at how our videos do.

Like herpes, you've gone viral.

[madbikeboy]

Awesome post and bling duly awarded
BUT:
The Cravers might be a new breed but I can assure you they enjoy motorcycling as much as you I and expoound their love of bikes in a much different way.
They tend to be offhand, almost mocking but they are just taking the piss and when one of their own machines finally coughs and dies or meets an early end they are just as upset as you or I. The last thing they really want to see is one of their mates sliding down the ride wearing away muscle and bone.

I like them. I've seen the exuberance of the younger "y" generation and I honestly have a good laugh at their videos.

I enjoy banter with them, I like riding with them the odd time I have and they make life fun which I really think, it's meant to be.

Theres too many heartaches and things that go wrong in life not to have a good laugh when someone is really just taking the piss.

In fact, when you get to know them, most people have some redeeming feature or something about them that you can like.

I think we need to focus on the positive. Too many young people are around for too short a time and I think we need to make these ones feel appreciated.

Life? I love it :)

I'm humbled by your well thought out response, I acknowledge what you're saying in general terms, but I disagree in the case of Craver for a few reasons. Bling on the way.

MBB

[Pedrostt500]

Awesome post and bling duly awarded
BUT:
The Cravers might be a new breed but I can assure you they enjoy motorcycling as much as you I and expoound their love of bikes in a much different way.
They tend to be offhand, almost mocking but they are just taking the piss and when one of their own machines finally coughs and dies or meets an early end they are just as upset as you or I. The last thing they really want to see is one of their mates sliding down the ride wearing away muscle and bone.

I like them. I've seen the exuberance of the younger "y" generation and I honestly have a good laugh at their videos.

I enjoy banter with them, I like riding with them the odd time I have and they make life fun which I really think, it's meant to be.

Theres too many heartaches and things that go wrong in life not to have a good laugh when someone is really just taking the piss.

In fact, when you get to know them, most people have some redeeming feature or something about them that you can like.

I think we need to focus on the positive. Too many young people are around for too short a time and I think we need to make these ones feel appreciated.

Life? I love it :)


No they are not a new Breed, they have always been there 25 yrs ago I had friends who would do much simmilar things to young Carver, keep in mind they were doing it on bikes built and desighned in the 1970s and early 80s, hardly any where near the technology available today, and keep in mind that most roads have varstly improved in the last 25 yrs.
I had 10 friends and aquaintences killed in various road accidents when I was in my late teens early 20s, how I didn't join them I'm not sure.
Carver in 25 to 30yrs time when he has teen age kids heading out onto the road on their bikes, knowing full well what they can get up to, and how unforgiving the black serpent can be when it claims its victims.

[carver]

I'm not. They are good value and give a bloody good laugh.
Be honoured to do one with you guys soon. Video that is :)

really?
sweet, we could do the 22..
im writing the gixxer thousand one at the moment.
that should be epic


Like herpes, you've gone viral.

if only...
how long you had it?

[carver]

why do all of you claim to care so much?
you dont even know me...
by half of your responses, you wouldn't shed a tear anyways.

get over yourselves

[Pedrostt500]

why do all of you claim to care so much?
you dont even know me...
by half of your responses, you wouldn't shed a tear anyways.

get over yourselves

But we do, you are as much a part of the Kiwi Biker community as any one else here, We look after our own. my best example and the one that started this thread, is look how the KB community rallied to the aid of Nasty at the tragic loss of Grub, we can't do much for Grub, but it is because we care we support Nasty through her pain. keep in mind that most in KB don't know Nasty or Grub very well, but we Care what happens to our fellow members.

[Pussy]

Had a great ride today myself. Just to Mokau and back. Not a fast ride, or a very slow one, just a nice pace. Felt at one with the world.... apart from trying to "run in" my new leather jacket and pants that I've had for a while, but haven't worn. Bit uncomfy!
Days like today are what motorcycling is all about ;)

Edit: Lots of courteous drivers on the road today, too. Did heaps of "thank you" waves to cars that pulled over to make passing easier

[scumdog]

Some of you lot take yourselves WAAAY too seriously...and wouldn't know a leg-pull if it bit you on your sorry arse.

[carver]

But we do, you are as much a part of the Kiwi Biker community as any one else here, We look after our own. my best example and the one that started this thread, is look how the KB community rallied to the aid of Nasty at the tragic loss of Grub, we can't do much for Grub, but it is because we care we support Nasty through her pain. keep in mind that most in KB don't know Nasty or Grub very well, but we Care what happens to our fellow members.

its just a website...
im off for a thrash on the 'tousand

loosing someone sucks, i have been to to hospital to visit people more than ever, one of the people was warr, the other the guy that crashed the ER6 in our vid, the other were 2 friends.
but thats life.

[madbikeboy]

its just a website...
im off for a thrash on the 'tousand

loosing someone sucks, i have been to to hospital to visit people more than ever, one of the people was warr, the other the guy that crashed the ER6 in our vid, the other were 2 friends.
but thats life.

That noise you just heard was the point of this thread flying over your head; especially ironic given your last statement.

And for the record, I care not at all about you - anyone who rides drunk deserves all the bad kharma that is due. What I dislike is... Well, reread the original post (or get someone smart to read it out loud for you).

[Maha]

I am completely 100% with ya on this Mike.
You are a sensible bloke and I thank you for posting your thoughts.
Here is what I said last week in which I quoted a person whom I have met, and ridden with, that said something so dumb, I could not beleive what I read, others however, could beleive what they read.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

There is a thread doing the rounds atm, 'which piece of road do you own'' you may have seen it?
While I view that thread as a 'throw away thread' hence my comment in there, one should also think about the flipside of the thread title.

'Some day, that same piece of road could own you'

I wasn't going to get into this but...
Last Saturday night, a question was asked by a young fulla that totally floored me.
He said '' do you guys ride to die or ride to live''?
Now the headspace of some people on here leaves me gobsmacked at times, really it does. I do not ever need to be around people who beleive in that statement.

If I owned this site, the would be a regular cleanout of members, they would be given the option of toning it down or fucking off.
Sure some things are said in jest on here and I have a pretty good idea of whos having a wind up and whos not. That being said, posting dumb shit for the sake of it (or a response) is begining to wear thin from where I sit.

[Maha]

But we do, you are as much a part of the Kiwi Biker community as any one else here, We look after our own. my best example and the one that started this thread, is look how the KB community rallied to the aid of Nasty at the tragic loss of Grub, we can't do much for Grub, but it is because we care we support Nasty through her pain. keep in mind that most in KB don't know Nasty or Grub very well, but we Care what happens to our fellow members.

Every class room has a class clown or multiples thereof, everyone else in that same class either gets, or doesn't get the clowns attempted humour.
If you read my prior post I wont have to go over my thoughts again. In carvers case? he is pretty easy to work out, he is three different people, theres the online Carver (where he says alot but in actual fact theres not alot said) theres the Video Carver...(where he comes accross as an intelligent and knowledgeable bloke) then theres the real life in person Carver (where he can fit into an adult world of conversation etc) we already have an Enigma eh??

[madbikeboy]

Every class room has a class clown or multiples thereof, everyone else in that same class either gets, or doesn't get the clowns attempted humour.
If you read my prior post I wont have to go over my thoughts again. In carvers case? he is pretty easy to work out, he is three different people, theres the online Carver (where he says alot but in actual fact theres not alot said) theres the Video Carver...(where he comes accross as an intelligent and knowledgeable bloke) then theres the real life in person Carver (where he can fit into an adult world of conversation etc) we already have an Enigma eh??

Oh, I thought you wrote that he was an "enima". Should have read that slower.

[Pedrostt500]

its just a website...
im off for a thrash on the 'tousand

loosing someone sucks, i have been to to hospital to visit people more than ever, one of the people was warr, the other the guy that crashed the ER6 in our vid, the other were 2 friends.
but thats life.

So I hit a raw nerve.

[danchop]

i dont know carver,but the world is full of showoffs and people who do silly stunts to get attention,i know ive done a few myself and probably still will,mostly its all for fun and ends in laughs and others may and do end in tragedy,its life so get over it we all die somehow,some just do it easily than others,and btw carver my mothers a mormon and frequents that temple spot on a regular basis shes 85 now and i think it would have made her day to see your stunt,even mormons have a sense of humour

[beyond]

No they are not a new Breed, they have always been there 25 yrs ago I had friends who would do much simmilar things to young Carver, keep in mind they were doing it on bikes built and desighned in the 1970s and early 80s, hardly any where near the technology available today, and keep in mind that most roads have varstly improved in the last 25 yrs.
I had 10 friends and aquaintences killed in various road accidents when I was in my late teens early 20s, how I didn't join them I'm not sure.
Carver in 25 to 30yrs time when he has teen age kids heading out onto the road on their bikes, knowing full well what they can get up to, and how unforgiving the black serpent can be when it claims its victims.

I was one of them back in the 70's and am only here by the grace of God.
I am one of the survivors of that era and many of the guys I rode with then aren't with us.

I would never let my daughter out on a motorbike on her own. Enigma? Sure is but even she would be more level headed than me back then... it's the "others" I worry about.

No amount of lecturing has any affect unfortunately and people will do what they want to do....you can't make them do otherwise.

When you are younger you are invincible and you just don't learn from the mistakes of others. Those that are sensible willl stay within their known limits but in today's world with faster machines those limits are a hell of lot further out than in my day.

I've know guys come off their bike at 50kmh and die instantly and others including myself have come off at high speed back then without any gear to speak of and have survived not once but many times.

When you are having fun, you do push the boundaries in whatever activity we indulge in and yes, at these times you never think of the consequences.

Sure, it's ok to point out peoples shortcomings and we do it to make sure they are still going to be around. Sometimes it works but more often than not it won't. Thats the nature of us humans.

[Mom]

I got my ticket to ride legally in 1976 and have been riding off and on since. Riding bikes gets in your blood. When I was a yoof I was as big an idiot as you could get. I was young, loved bikes and went for it. That is what you do.

I had children, they slowed me down. I wanted to be with them, and now I want to love my grandchildren (though if any of you tell my kids I am looking forward to that I will not be happy!) so I am staid, and careful on the road. I love riding my bike! I dont personally give a shit what people think about how I ride, I ride for me!

Death comes to us all eventually. There is no good time to die. I have been close to the effects of a sudden death as a result of a motorcycle crash this past week. It sucks, but it happened. We do what we can to get through and move on. I wont stop riding, it wont change how I ride either.

Young Carver has been on the recieving end of my "very unimpressed Mom" telling off in person. He survived! He linked me to his latest Mormon few vid on my profile, I laughed out loud! We had a talk in person last weekend, we both survived. I was young once, I did heaps of dumb shit and lived to tell the tale, lets hope he does too!

[SixPackBack]

I am completely 100% with ya on this Mike.
You are a sensible bloke and I thank you for posting your thoughts.
Here is what I said last week in which I quoted a person whom I have met, and ridden with, that said something so dumb, I could not beleive what I read, others however, could beleive what they read.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

There is a thread doing the rounds atm, 'which piece of road do you own'' you may have seen it?
While I view that thread as a 'throw away thread' hence my comment in there, one should also think about the flipside of the thread title.

'Some day, that same peice of road could own you'

I wasn't going to get into this but...
Last Saturday night, a question was asked by a young fulla that totally floored me.
He said '' do you guys ride to die or ride to live''?
Now the headspace of some people on here leaves me gobsmacked at times, really it does. I do not ever need to be around people who beleive in that statement.

If I owned this site, the would be a regular cleanout of memebers, they would be given the option of toning it down or fucking off.
Sure some things are said in jest on here and I have a pretty good idea of whos having a wind up and whos not. That being said, posting dumb shit for the sake of it (or a response) is begining to wear thin from where I sit.

Interesting opinion. It would take a very short period of time before KB become so batshit boring that the only folk left would be those old conservative riders that in-spite of bike ownership spent their entire lives on their knees.

Terrible post Mark, you really cannot be serious??

[Katman]

Interesting opinion. It would take a very short period of time before KB become so batshit boring that the only folk left would be those old conservative riders that in-spite of bike ownership spent their entire lives on their knees.

Terrible post Mark, you really cannot be serious??

It must truly gut you that a degree of sense and maturity is becoming more and more prevalent on this site.

[jrandom]

It must truly gut you that a degree of sense and maturity is becoming more and more prevalent on this site.

Fortunately not out on the road though, eh?

:msn-wink:

[Katman]

Fortunately not out on the road though, eh?

:msn-wink:

It all starts in the home.

:msn-wink:

[Pussy]

Well I had a good ride today.....

[scumdog]

carver seems to me to be a troll - or one of those people who watches others piss on an electric fence, some times it's on and sometimes its not.

He sees the reaction of those who pissed on it when it was on and thinks 'meh' - and pisses on it himself regardless.

One day it WILL be on......

[Ixion]

It must truly gut you that a degree of sense and maturity is becoming more and more prevalent on this site.

I'll do what I can to rectify that unfortunate situation.

I don't do maturity , and if I had any sense I wouldn;t be riding one of them dangerous murdercycles.

[Katman]

I'll do what I can to rectify that unfortunate situation.

I don't do maturity , and if I had any sense I wouldn;t be riding one of them dangerous murdercycles.

Yes, but you have senility on your side.

:msn-wink:

[Ixion]

That's true. And cowardice.

[scumdog]

That's true. And cowardice.

Never mind. you'll probably forget all that.......

[Katman]

Never mind. you'll probably forget all that.......

Forget what?

[carver]

some of you dont get it still...

i do not care, debate all you want.

im not skidmark.
say what ya like, tell me off, blah blah...

i wont even remeber it the next week..
thats how much it means to me.

[wbks]

Whos skidmark?

[Maha]

Interesting opinion. It would take a very short period of time before KB become so batshit boring that the only folk left would be those old conservative riders that in-spite of bike ownership spent their entire lives on their knees.

Terrible post Mark, you really cannot be serious??

I was only contemplating....:whistle:

I am a realist Andrew, and I will never own Kiwibiker (thats just silly) and I am also awear that, if indeed there were members chucked off the site, their place would soon be taken by yet another simpleton. Thats how it works, its madness I tell ya, cant be stoped!

And I realise that we all have chioce's at our fingertips, choose what ya read, choose what you respond to, choose what to ignore etc. I interpret things said on here by certain members as I see fit, the ones I know and have met, I can see right through thier agenda, transparent if you will? too easy at times, but at times, they overstep what I consider to be ''the line''.
If you had read the post from DB that I quoted and responded to with the words that I used, then you would agree with at least part of it.
But hes on your ignore right?

[Big Dave]

Hitcher must be having fits.

[Maha]

Hitcher must be having fits.

Blinglish was never my best subjct at school....wagging was!

[Big Dave]

Blinglish was never my best subjct at school....wagging was!

Didn't mean you.

[Swoop]

The Cravers might be a new breed but I can assure you they enjoy motorcycling as much as you I and expoound their love of bikes in a much different way.
They tend to be offhand, almost mocking but they are just taking the piss and when one of their own machines finally coughs and dies or meets an early end they are just as upset as you or I. The last thing they really want to see is one of their mates sliding down the ride wearing away muscle and bone.

I like them. I've seen the exuberance of the younger "y" generation and I honestly have a good laugh at their videos.

I enjoy banter with them, I like riding with them the odd time I have and they make life fun which I really think, it's meant to be.

Theres too many heartaches and things that go wrong in life not to have a good laugh when someone is really just taking the piss.

In fact, when you get to know them, most people have some redeeming feature or something about them that you can like.

I think we need to focus on the positive. Too many young people are around for too short a time and I think we need to make these ones feel appreciated.

Life? I love it :)
Darned right!

I have said it before here, there is an "alternative approach" to bike reviews, and they might have opened a door to such a marketing approach.
Who knows...

[scumdog]

Whos skidmark?

And how does one 'remeber'??:blink:

Do you have to meber and do it again to remeber?:confused:

[madbikeboy]

And how does one 'remeber'??:blink:

Do you have to meber and do it again to remeber?:confused:

I forget.1234

[wbks]

And how does one 'remeber'??:blink:

Do you have to meber and do it again to remeber?:confused:Sorry, I'm not following you here...???

[scumdog]

Sorry, I'm not following you here...???

Post #97 might remind you...<_< - if you can remeber how to find it.:msn-wink:

[carver]

you guys are a good laugh, a little weird at some points though!

carver, the sinner in danger of hell!

[wbks]

Post 97 in this thread? Yea I still don't know who skidmark is...

[SixPackBack]

Post 97 in this thread? Yea I still don't know who skidmark is...

A young not-to-smart squid. Put him on ignore to enhance your KB experience.

[icekiwi]

I reckon it would be fun hopping on the bandwagaon and bagging Carver too...
Except I have met him...He's really not that bad....ummmm well ok...
An I can still remember what I was getting up to when his age....
So I''ll shutup to avoid being a Hippocrite....

[Maha]

I reckon it would be fun hopping on the bandwagaon and bagging Carver too...
Except I have met him...He's really not that bad....ummmm well ok...
An I can still remember what I was getting up to when his age....
So I''ll shutup to avoid being a Hippocrite....

You are probably right.....
I look at it this way......not everyone likes John Key, and there are those that will never like him. At some stage over the next year or two, he might grow on some of the detractors. Key is here to stay (for at least three years anyway) so most might as well get used to it. Bag him when its needed by all means.

[FJRider]

some of you dont get it still...

i do not care, debate all you want.

im not skidmark.
say what ya like, tell me off, blah blah...

i wont even remeber it the next week..
thats how much it means to me.

And who are you ???

[Ixion]

..

i wont even remeber it the next week..
..


Ah, you have that problem too.

[Mom]

And how does one 'remeber'??:blink:

Do you have to meber and do it again to remeber?:confused:

I always say remeck for some reason, drives me nuts.

Do you remeck?

[FJRider]

Ah, you have that problem too.

I can't remember having that problem... :whistle:

[Ixion]

What problem?

[Mom]

What problem?

remecking of course :thud:

[FJRider]

So who were we bagging again... ??? :innocent:

[MIXONE]

I always say remeck for some reason, drives me nuts.

Do you remeck?

Only if I've mecked already.

[FJRider]

Do you remeck?

Only on a full stomach... otherwise, I'm (un)remeckable...

[carver]

You ride drunk?

I love drunk drivers. If I had've known when I met you the other night, I would have help readjust your skeletal alignment. I'll know for next time we meet.

so what did you mean by this?
are you a doctor?

[pritch]

so what did you mean by this?
are you a doctor?

I'm not a doctor but I think I know what he meant.

Skidmark probably understood it too.:kick:

[dpex]

And how does one 'remeber'??:blink:

Do you have to meber and do it again to remeber?:confused:

Scumdog makes a valid point about the quaintness of English.

Another example would be rehearse. On Sunday I was 'hearsed' from the track. I did not want to rehearse. Mind you, the first hearsing might have been a prehearsal for a rehearsal.

I'll go take my medication now.

[carver]

I'm not a doctor but I think I know what he meant.

Skidmark probably understood it too.:kick:

so what did he mean

[wbks]

so what did he meanI think he was coming on to you!:wacko: