Popularity of 600cc sportsbikes

[racerhead]

Hey Ive been keeping an eye on trademe for the last few weeks and see that there are very few 600cc sportsbikes coming up for sale. At the moment Im living in Ireland and the 600's are very popular here so just wondering if they are as popular in New Zealand or does everyone with a full licence just go for the 1000's?

[Cajun]

600 still popular since a good steping stone before people go to the 1000.


there is tons of 600cc about, you been looking at www.trademe.co.nz ?

[Starky307]

People like them so much they don't sell them:cool:

[Cajun]

People like them so much they don't sell them:cool:

can agree with that brought mine new 4 1/2+ years ago, no plans on selling it ever.

[captain_andrey]

Whats the point for 1000cc on the road? My 600 goes to 120km/h in first, its light and nimble and costs a few grand less then the 1000 version.

[fatzx10r]

Whats the point for 1000cc on the road? My 600 goes to 120km/h in first, its light and nimble and costs a few grand less then the 1000 version.

yeah true, but it's not all about speed tho. sitting on the open road on a long trip i find the 1000's better for me. because it's not reving as high, less gear changes for over taking just little thing's like that, but each to there own

[scuzeme]

Whats the point for 1000cc on the road? My 600 goes to 120km/h in first, its light and nimble and costs a few grand less then the 1000 version.

My 600 does 250kmh and ive had my 07 1098s upto 276kmh.
600's have snappy power and control, a 1000cc+ bike is only really gunna get away on you on a long straight.

1000 cc bikes are great but they dont add anymore inches to your dick i would prolly pay someone riding a 600 the same respect if not more respect than a guy on a litre bike.

A guy on an R6 gave me a serious run for my money when i was on my Ducati one sunny Saturday afternoon, i was astounded at the pace of this bike i was pushing hard and could not over take him until we were hitting 250 clicks and where are you gunna do that speed anyway! astounded and pride wounded i brought me an R6 a little while later.

Of course everything above was done on a "closed road or track".:whistle:

[vifferman]

Torque. It's all about the torques, and they make riding less effort / more relaxing.

[vtec]

600's have more than enough power. If anything they are a little too big and powerful. I would love it if they were making little lightweight new 400 V4's. That's what I'd be buying. A 1000cc bike? No real advantage over a 600 except top speed and quartermile, harder to handle and more dangerous without being significantly quicker round the track. More fun to be had on a 600.

But then I still love hooning round on my CBR250RR. Hell I even get a buzz from riding my bicycle fast around town.

[racerhead]

600 still popular since a good steping stone before people go to the 1000.


there is tons of 600cc about, you been looking at www.trademe.co.nz ?

Ye been lookin at that site but seeing more 250's or 1000's because what Im idealy looking for is a k1 to k4 gsxr but havent seen any yet but will stay looking.
I would love a 1000 for the road but find they get me in trouble very quickly:devil2: so going for a 600, that and I like trackdays aswell so planning on trying to get to a few in Taupo.

[Starky307]

My first ever road cycle is my '08 ZX6 brought from MR Motorcycles 6 weeks ago. I've ridden dirt bikes for ever but have stayed away from the road due to not trusting myself.
I have always enjoyed the smaller capacity dirt bikes and don't have any problem keeping up with friends on their 450's etc.
Now back to the zx6, my God what a bike. I love it to bits. It turns on a dime and stops as soon as i start thinking about slowing down and it hauls arse too. I did a loop out around kawakawa bay on sunday and when i got to miranda i realised how much fun i was having so i did the coro loop as well. Never ridden either loops before and had a blast, loved every minute of it.
Can't wait for another fine weekend.

[wbks]

Kawakawa bay is a sweet ride. Did you go through the Hunua Ranges ( I think thats what they're called) or just around the coast? And didn't you have to ride a 250, or what? Strait onto a 600 as your first road bike?

[scracha]

Hey Ive been keeping an eye on trademe for the last few weeks and see that there are very few 600cc sportsbikes coming up for

Kiwi's like dick extensions. You should see their cars. :finger::finger::finger:

[Starky307]

Kawakawa bay is a sweet ride. Did you go through the Hunua Ranges ( I think thats what they're called) or just around the coast? And didn't you have to ride a 250, or what? Strait onto a 600 as your first road bike?

I went clockwise around the coast starting in Pukekohe this time. The ZX6 is the first road bike I have owned. I borrowed a GN250 to sit the restricted and full.

[wbks]

Oh ok. Thought you might have skipped riding the 250 all together haha

[imdying]

Apparently there are two types of riders...

Those that understand the concept and appreciate the beauty of torque...

sitting on the open road on a long trip i find the 1000's better for me. because it's not reving as high, less gear changes for over taking just little thing's like that, but each to there own

Torque. It's all about the torques, and they make riding less effort / more relaxing.

And those that don't.

Whats the point for 1000cc on the road? My 600 goes to 120km/h in first, its light and nimble and costs a few grand less then the 1000 version.

A 1000cc bike? No real advantage over a 600 except top speed and quartermile, harder to handle and more dangerous without being significantly quicker round the track. More fun to be had on a 600.

Kiwi's like dick extensions. You should see their cars. :finger::finger::finger:

[Gremlin]

600 is peaky, has to be ridden higher in the revs the whole time. If thats your scene, then yeah, 600 is for you. Me, I loved the thou, the torque, not to mention keeping it under control (or at least thinking you are) :eek:

The funny thing is, a lot of 600 riders are stoked to keep up with a thou... I think a lot of thou riders are happy to keep up with a 600 (all well ridden etc). The thou is far more likely to loop/high side etc and I enjoy the battle of wills :jerry:

[jrandom]

The thou is far more likely to loop/high side etc

WTF?

Even a SCARY THOU (WOOOO!) only does what you tell it to with the twisty bit and the turny part.

[Gremlin]

Even a SCARY THOU (WOOOO!) only does what you tell it to with the twisty bit and the turny part.
well duuuuh :whistle: point is, use the twisty bit the same amount on each... the thou is more likely to object to your inputs...

Remember, I did say thats what I liked... its rather exciting ;)

[jrandom]

I did say thats what I liked... its rather exciting ;)

What a very sexy man of danger and mystery you are.

:love:

[Gremlin]

What a very sexy man of danger and mystery you are.

:love:
:nono: I know your reputation... whore!! I'm not that easy :oi-grr:

[slofox]

Not all 600 (read 650) bikes need to have the gears stirred all the time - you could always go V-twin.......wider power band and quite happy to lope along on the open road.....mind you, I quite like working the gears myself but that's only me.....coming from a background of small bikes you get used to that. And frankly I have no trouble getting past things...apart from overcoming my own native caution that is.....

[The Stranger]

Apparently there are two types of riders...

Those that understand the concept and appreciate the beauty of torque...



And those that don't.

Reliability?

A certain largish gent had his R6 rebuilt more than a few times. Sure he could keep up with the thous, and regularly did. But I wonder how much of a toll that took on the engine and drive train?

[Morcs]

I just traded my TLS on a 600rr. No complaints. I can still ride it like a twin and keep good pace. Then its got a top end if I want to go quicker :)

[speed63]

Interesting reading. I ride the 600 and the thou the same, one is just faster!

[Stampy]

We have a Speedfour 600 as well as a Speedtriple, I hone my skills more on the 600 than the 1050, A lot of litre sportsbike riders would probably do well to back themselves down to a 600 for a while and hone their riding skills and abilities before stepping up. Sports 600's are a sheetload of fun and can pump out some serious HP, riding them to their ( Or my ) limits is an enlightening experience, Hitting the redline at 14000 rpm banging it thru the gears, I'm getting sweaty just thinking about it:lol::lol::lol:

[AlBundy]

Apparently there are two types of riders...

Those that understand the concept and appreciate the beauty of torque...

And those that don't.

Couldn't agree more... Well said.

This whole debate has been done before.

Most litre bikes make more torque at 4000rpm than a 600 makes period. It's NOT always about hp...

[quickbuck]

Couldn't agree more... Well said.

This whole debate has been done before.

Most litre bikes make more torque at 4000rpm than a 600 makes period. It's NOT always about hp...

HP is a product of torque and RPM's... so.... hmmm.

Anyhow, I love my 600 and would never have anything else... Well I say that now. Does all i want to.

The thing about thous (for me) is that they have a bigger appetite for tyres and chains due to more torque. Also tend to have an appetite for fuel... But who cares about that.

[Deano]

For gawds sake - man up already, get a thou.:2thumbsup

p/t



A lot of litre sportsbike riders would probably do well to back themselves down to a 600 for a while and hone their riding skills and abilities before stepping up. Sports 600's are a sheetload of fun and can pump out some serious HP, riding them to their ( Or my ) limits is an enlightening experience, Hitting the redline at 14000 rpm banging it thru the gears, I'm getting sweaty just thinking about it:lol::lol::lol:

Mate - sounds like you need a dose of TRTNR !!

[imdying]

Anyhow, I love my 600 and would never have anything else... Well I say that now. Does all i want to.One of the great things about motorcycles is that you're allowed more than one :yes:

[CRF119]

8 months ago my mate brought a 2008 R6 after passing his full on a CBR250. He said this is dam fast its all ill ever need untill yesterday when he traded his R6 for a 2008 R1, now he is saying i don't no why you would bother with a 600 when this is only 11kg more and is way more fun.

Personaly im going to buy a R1 straight of once i get my full it only goes as fast as you twist the throttle and i saw what it was capable of last night when it was being run in. (Dont rev past 7g)

I cant wait :banana:

[Stampy]

One of the great things about motorcycles is that you're allowed more than one :yes:

Amen to that:devil2::devil2::devil2:I'd like to have many, Just can't afford it. Lotto! Lotto! Lotto!:clap::clap::clap:

[slofox]

So far my 650 can still outperform me...........

[AlBundy]

So far my 650 can still outperform me...........

And therein lies the irony...

Not a dig at you personally but there are a LOT of people on this site that have never progressed their riding, yet pass on advice about what others should do.
People that are on 250's that are still overwhelmed by being out on the open road, posting their thoughts. People riding cruisers that have no concept of how far a bike can actually lean. People that have commuted for years without actually pushing themselves or their bikes past the legal limit. People that ride old shitters/classics, that have no idea how much better newer bikes are...

I'd take advice from this site with a grain of salt...

[discotex]

I love my 600. It's already hard enough the 600rr under warp 9 as it is so adding more straight line speed isn't top of my list.

Another year, plenty more trackdays and some test riding might see me change my mind of course :)

[Tony.OK]

It really doesn't matter, 600 or a thou, both need will power, both need some skill to reach their limits.
It comes down to personal preference in the end........who cares what other people think.
I have found in the past the ones that brag the loudest quite often aren't nearly as good as they say they are.

[AlBundy]

One can also argue we don't NEED anything bigger than 400's...

Since when was anything biking related about NEED?

We all WANTS....

Bigger, better, faster, more, newer, cooler, louder, sleeker, comfortabler, protectiver, etcer...

[racefactory]

And therein lies the irony...

Not a dig at you personally but there are a LOT of people on this site that have never progressed their riding, yet pass on advice about what others should do.
People that are on 250's that are still overwhelmed by being out on the open road, posting their thoughts. People riding cruisers that have no concept of how far a bike can actually lean. People that have commuted for years without actually pushing themselves or their bikes past the legal limit. People that ride old shitters/classics, that have no idea how much better newer bikes are...

I'd take advice from this site with a grain of salt...

Good post.

[mister.koz]

So far my 650 can still outperform me...........

Ha! i know the feelin :)

Jeez i had a few times on my zxr250a where i realised the bike or the road had more than me, my 600 pulled the front wheel up while i was powering it on through a corner last weekend... i gotta wonder what i could do with more power!

600's have heaps :)

[BMWST?]

thous,also tend to be larger bikes...when you are well over 1.8 m tall you want a bigger bike....I WANT a bike with a tall seat height!

[scracha]

thous,also tend to be larger bikes...when you are well over 1.8 m tall you want a bigger bike....I WANT a bike with a tall seat height!

Bwhahaha. A modern thou is smaller and lighter than my 400 so that argument is umm...pants.

Go for a test ride on a few different bikes (big twins, wee twins, 6 hundy's, gixxer 750 and thou's) and pick the one in the colour you like. You struggle to buy a bad bike these days. 6 hundy, thou or even just SV650....if you're coming from a 250 then FFS take it easy for a while as the power difference is staggering.

Meeself. I felt going up bike sizes in little increments gave me more appreciation of each. The thou is too much for me on the road but hell, everyone should own one at least once :stupid:

[MentalFacility]

My 1k weight less then most 600cc bikes out there.
With less weight i'd say it handles better, and has more power at the same time.
Why bother with 600?

--IN ENGLISH--

My cbr 1k rr 2008 weights less then most 600cc sport bikes.

*Taken from SuperBike Magazine - Summer 2008
*Fueled up and ready to go the bikes are:

Suzuki GSX-R600 - 199kg
Honda CBR-600RR - 186kg
Kawasaki ZX6R - 202.9kg
Yamaha YZF-R6 - 198.7kg
Triumph Daytona 675 - 198.6kg

And the CBR 1RR 2008 (from http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/ ) is 199kg.

So why would u bother with 600cc when there are 1k bikes out there that weight just about the same?

[lankyman]

Oh ok. Thought you might have skipped riding the 250 all together haha

I did :whistle:

[Gremlin]

thous,also tend to be larger bikes...when you are well over 1.8 m tall you want a bigger bike....I WANT a bike with a tall seat height!
Hah, as has been said, the thous are often the same size as the 600's.

Tall seat height isn't everything. If you couple it with high pegs, you're still going to feel cramped. If the pegs are too low (ie, giving heaps of room) you're going to touch them down too easily.

For best comfort, the nakeds often have a better riding position.

[racerhead]

Didnt think this post would get so many replys and its great to see all the different opinions. My reasons for wanting a 600 is I havent been riding too long and my last bike was a 400 so I just want to take it step by step for now. Ive ridden small and big v-twins on track and same with il4's and found the twins nice to ride quick but on the big il4's its like someone hit the fast forward button whenever I tried to use full throttle. I know I would get used to them after a bit more time but for now I want the thrill of a peaky revvy 600:)

[McJim]

I'm daft and hate to go with the flow so I have a 600 twin. It's air cooled too so weighs in even less than some of the newer six hundies (save weight on coolant) It's not that quick so I go looking for corners - the tighter the better.

Have fun whatever you choose!

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

next time, for me, it will have to be a 1000cc. The 750 is a bit "soft". My 125 MX bike is more scaryto ride than it! I would slit my wrists if I had a 600! The race track is a diff. story tho! gotta have big nads (or ovaries) to race a 1000cc.

The reality is, for the road, a 1000 is more easier to ride than a 600

[bigfoot]

next time, for me, it will have to be a 1000cc. The 750 is a bit "soft". My 125 MX bike is more scaryto ride than it! I would slit my wrists if I had a 600! The race track is a diff. story tho! gotta have big nads (or ovaries) to race a 1000cc.

The reality is, for the road, a 1000 is more easier to ride than a 600

Hey you make a clear point there.....but whats the backing argument for saying a 1000 is easier to ride than a six hundy..... I ride a 600, nuffin personal but just curious as to how you made that conclusion. Seeing to I would have thought most 600s are lighter and thus easier to throw around in the corners.

[sparky10]

I had the choice of IL4 600 or 1200cc and bought 600 Bandit after going through graduated licence system on a gn250, but had full in ireland 25 years ago and ridden 185GT twin then after 50cc learner bike. I thought 1200 bike was too much in control, too much like a switch, i was either on the trottle or backed off on the brakes, especially in town traffic, so big diddnt make sence for commuting. only drawback is overtaking from 90kph to 110kph;) has to be judged as is a little slower especially 2 up

[scracha]

So why would u bother with 600cc when there are 1k bikes out there that weight just about the same?

Umm. Purchase price, running costs (chains, sprockets, tyres, fuel, brake pads), insurance. Main reason for me going back to 6 hundies was that I get more enjoyment out of occasionally going through the first 3 gears and wringing the bike's neck, even that would still take me well into license losing territory (and that was back i the UK where the cops don't give a $hit up to about 140). You just can't do that on a litre bike on the roads...hell, the throttle was barely above 1/8th of a turn and 3000rpm 99% of the time.

So the real question may be, why bother with the hassle of living with 1000cc bike?

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

Hey you make a clear point there.....but whats the backing argument for saying a 1000 is easier to ride than a six hundy..... I ride a 600, nuffin personal but just curious as to how you made that conclusion. Seeing to I would have thought most 600s are lighter and thus easier to throw around in the corners.

In my (meek) opinion, 1000's have alot more torque so gear selection is of less importance. This makes them easier to ride. Weight difference is naff all. The 750 is 200kg, but can be thrown round like a much smaller bike. ALL modern sports bikes are at least 20kg lighter.

If you wanna go faster just roll on more throttle, if you want to slow down, squeeze the brakes. Just like any other bike.

A bike will only go as fast as the rider wants it to.:beer:

[Maki]

[QUOTE=scracha;1821538]Umm. Main reason for me going back to 6 hundies was that I get more enjoyment out of occasionally going through the first 3 gears and wringing the bike's neck, QUOTE]


Amen to that. If you want to wring the neck of a gixxer thou you will see 160 plus in first...

I love the scream of high revs. I used to have a car that was like that and I will take power over torque any day of the week. I can see where the torque addicts are coming from though...

[discotex]

Honda CBR-600RR - 186kg

...

And the CBR 1RR 2008 (from http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/ ) is 199kg.

So why would u bother with 600cc when there are 1k bikes out there that weight just about the same?

13kgs less for the 600rr is quite a difference but yeah the others did eat all the pies. I'm looking forward to testing the blade at some point to see what it's like in comparison. Suspect it's very similar in nature just more power.

[MentalFacility]

13kgs less for the 600rr is quite a difference but yeah the others did eat all the pies. I'm looking forward to testing the blade at some point to see what it's like in comparison. Suspect it's very similar in nature just more power.

well cbr600 is an out lier. It is by far the lightest in its class. When we are talking about 600s in general, the weight is around 200kg.

[hayd3n]

well cbr600 is an out lier. It is by far the lightest in its class. When we are talking about 600s in general, the weight is around 200kg.
man mine only 187kgs n its a old dunga

[MentalFacility]

man mine only 187kgs n its a old dunga

187 dry, around 210 wet.

[trumpy]

My Speed Four is 170kg dry. Somewhat heavier when I sit on it.....:o

[discotex]

well cbr600 is an out lier. It is by far the lightest in its class. When we are talking about 600s in general, the weight is around 200kg.

Totally. Was hi-lighting how light the 600rr is :whistle:

[Jerry74]

Most newer 600 cc bikes can boogie with 1000 cc big boys..

10'000 revs vs 4000 revs thats the difference

[Charlie41]

Whats the point for 1000cc on the road? My 600 goes to 120km/h in first, its light and nimble and costs a few grand less then the 1000 version.



+1 600 is all you need!!!:niceone:

[Maki]

I want the white one...

http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/modeldetail.php?intBikeID=269

[Rodney007]

1000cc would be fun.... but i think master of 600 then should goto 1000

600cc has everything youl ever need.. 1000 for easy wheelies

[Ixion]

600cc ? Meh. 1000cc ? Pffah.

Give me a suitably twisty road and I'll take all of them on a 500cc. Even a 350cc.

Two stroke , of course., If you will insist on those stupid camshafts and valves and springs and all that useless power wasting shit that just goes round n round n round, up and down n up n down n .....

Nway, they'll all shit and a two smoker will eat them all.

[scracha]

Nway, they'll all shit and a two smoker will eat them all.

Until you hear a bang then the tingly wingly sound of bits of piston spinning around the crankcase.
OR
Until you hear the sound of umm....nothing as one of the pistons siezes.

Would I have another 2 stroke road bike? Not even if the bike was free.

[racerhead]

I want the white one...

http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/modeldetail.php?intBikeID=269

Oh god that is nice but think Id go for the normal suzuki colours because they look good for a change.

[Tony.OK]

Oh god that is nice but think Id go for the normal suzuki colours because they look good for a change.

White is nice, so is black..........but that pastel blue one is just f*#king awful.......and they say Honda's are ghey:crazy:

[Pussy]

Wotchoo talking about, Tony?? That blue/white looks sharp!!

[Tony.OK]

Wotchoo talking about, Tony?? That blue/white looks sharp!!

Really????........Maybe its just me then:shutup::laugh: