Pot - Have you inhaled? [Archive]

Biff

7th February 2005, 23:09

Thanks to an on-going active thread about smoking pot I'd like to know how many of you out there currently smoke pot, grass, herbs etc etc. I promise you that to the very best of my knowledge (Spank Me?) the names of voters isn't logged, well I won't see it anyway.

I'm just intrigued, because I recently discovered that a guy I know, who I would never have guessed would, frequently smokes grass, he actually smokes it almost every night using a pipe as a matter of fact. He also manages to hold down a very good job etc etc.

Hopefully this post will stay as a stand alone poll (Blakamin? Please sir?), otherwise in may get lost in that ever expading thread currently showing on the other channel.

Please post your views on legalising pot to the other channels, unless you don't want to. I mean who the fuck am I anyway to tell you lot what to do? Cheeky bastard.

**R1**

7th February 2005, 23:19

Yeah i smk a bit along with almost evey one else i know....dnt care what anyone else thinks......but i have a crap job... :whocares:

Blakamin

7th February 2005, 23:21

wheres the option for "i used to, but I found something better"???

Biff

7th February 2005, 23:22

wheres the option for "i used to, but I found something better"???

in the beastiality thread - you dirty bugger! :shake:

Rainbow Wizard

7th February 2005, 23:26

wheres the option for "i used to, but I found something better"???

or a simple "I used to, but I'm better off without it".

Waylander

7th February 2005, 23:27

What about the option that " I did but I quite cause it was interfering with my riding abillities."?

crazylittleshit

7th February 2005, 23:27

not for me slows your reaction time down. and mine are already shit don't need help making them shitter. :whocares:

Blakamin

7th February 2005, 23:52

or a simple "I used to, but I'm better off without it".
:niceone: :niceone: :niceone:

Slipstream

8th February 2005, 00:04

or a simple "I used to, but I'm better off without it".

If I had (hypothetically speaking of course) smoked marah-jew-ana or "...home grown...". I would agree with Rainbow here.

But we're talking hypothetically here :niceone:

What?

8th February 2005, 05:22

or a simple "I used to, but I'm better off without it".
Or "I used to, but now I have a life"
Or "I used to, but then I grew up"

Nah - "better off without it" is on the mark.

riffer

8th February 2005, 06:08

or a simple "I used to, but I'm better off without it".

Amen to that RW. :niceone:

RiderInBlack

8th February 2005, 06:37

It used to be "I'll smoke it if I'm offered it some", but it is a long time since I've had any. Does not do much for me. Makes me a little sleepy and that's about it. What really puts me off it is that I have a few friends that have become Schizophrenic because they smoked too much. 1 in 4 people have a potential of becaming Schizophrenic. "Pot" can cause a potential Schizophrenic to became Schizophrenic. Then you'll need drugs to stop you from "tripping".

Sniper

8th February 2005, 07:22

Never have, never would, I have too much to lose if I get caught and found.

DrDee

8th February 2005, 10:52

The listener ran a poll once and the result was somewhere in the vicinity of 40% had smoked pot at some stage of there lives, from all walks of life.

According to our friendly police that means 40% of us should be convicted and put in prison.

scroter

8th February 2005, 10:58

never have, never will. i dont mind if other people are puff the cheeba at a party or something. i dont even mind if it gets offered to me as long as when i say no thanks thats it, i've never had a problem tho. the only thing that would bother me is if some one trips out and has a fit or something.

vifferman

8th February 2005, 11:05

I did not have sex with that woman.

Sorry - what was the question again? :confused:

RIB - where did you get this:
"1 in 4 people have a potential of becaming Schizophrenic. "Pot" can cause a potential Schizophrenic to became Schizophrenic. Then you'll need drugs to stop you from "tripping"."
from?
My wife's cousin, and the brother of a lady we know, both developed schizophrenia related to smoking dope. My wife's also convinced I'm mental because some dope somehow accidentally entered my system on an occasion or three, but I reckon it (my mentalness) was the incredible stress of a very boring and pointless job.

:whocares:

I fired a guy once who was a habitual smoker of the electric puha, as he became very unreliable. And the receptionist/secretary of the same place used to have a joint most days before work to cope with the stress/lunacy of the job. Or it might have been just to cope with working with me. :spudwhat:

onearmedbandit

8th February 2005, 16:28

You're fucking kidding me? You're supposed to inhale?

I want a refund, right now!

No seriously, I'll have a puff most nights, relaxes me yet actually motivates me to do stuff, to be creative and to think outside the square. Some of my best ideas I've ever had have come to me from having a smoke and pondering lifes challenges. And its not as though I'm 'lazy brained' when I haven't smoked. However, each to their own. I have never forced pot on anyone and never will. Its a personal decision.

Each to their own- but...

Or "I used to, but now I have a life"
Or "I used to, but then I grew up"

hmmmm.

Jackrat

8th February 2005, 18:15

I used to smoke a shit load,
Now I don't,no big deal.

Deano

8th February 2005, 18:38

All drugs are bad and I wouldn't touch them.

I do however chug back a dozen beer each night and bash the missus for a laugh.

RiderInBlack

8th February 2005, 20:18

RIB - where did you get this:
"1 in 4 people have a potential of becaming Schizophrenic. "Pot" can cause a potential Schizophrenic to became Schizophrenic. Then you'll need drugs to stop you from "tripping"."
from?
One of my Nursing Deg papers I had to research a recreational drug and write a teaching plan for a school on it. I did Marijuana and some of these threoies came from research papers I had read on the subject. As for "Then you'll need drugs to stop you from "tripping" ", I was refuring to anti-psychotic drugs some people suffering from Schizophrenia are often required to take to stop them from suffering from hallucination. I find this a little ironic seeing that people often take recreational drugs to get "out of it", which could lead to them needing drugs to get "back into it". Just something to think about, aye.

madboy

8th February 2005, 20:22

Its a personal decision. Each to their own-
right on... fully agree.

i did it when in amsterdam, why? cos there are some things u just need to do while there. didn't really inspire me to make habit of it.

personally i have a problem with the legality of it - i.e. i don't do it cos i don't like doing illicit substances and running the risk, however small, of getting a drug conviction... which makes me a huge friggin hypocrite cos I think my attitude to speed/traffic/runners are well known.

but at least i'm fully in control of myself when i do it...

MikeL

8th February 2005, 20:52

How can you offer a credible argument either for or against something if you have no personal experience of it?

Answer: you can observe the consequences in others. You can research the question scientifically. You can extrapolate from analogous examples.

All very useful.

BUT...

... ultimately you are you, a unique individual, and your unique personal experience is the only thing that will make your conclusions absolutely and unchallengeably valid for you.

The fact that your conclusions may be different from mine in no way invalidates either.

Fenix

8th February 2005, 21:09

SPman

8th February 2005, 22:43

I used to smoke a shit load,
Now I don't,no big deal.

Same here - I found other ways of going to sleep.

spudchucka

8th February 2005, 23:41

How can you offer a credible argument either for or against something if you have no personal experience of it?
You don't need to get shot to know its going to be a bad experience.

Answer: you can observe the consequences in others. You can research the question scientifically. You can extrapolate from analogous examples.Sometimes you just know in your gut the rights and wrongs of a specific activity etc. Why is that? Intuition perhaps.

... ultimately you are you, a unique individual, and your unique personal experience is the only thing that will make your conclusions absolutely and unchallengeably valid for you.

The fact that your conclusions may be different from mine in no way invalidates either.
I'll agree, but not entirely on the issue of drug use / abuse.

onearmedbandit

9th February 2005, 00:00

Never have, although I considered it a few times it was only because I was in a particularly desperate (depression) place, and am now pretty sure I never will. I've got a bit of a bad attitude towards stoners, and druggies in the greater picture, because I've had a few bad experiences with them. Oh well.

Why on earth would someone consider using marijuana to aid with depression if they've never used it before?? Seems to me there must be deeper reasons. Also a pretty prejudice view as well, not that anything I could say would ever change that. But its *similar* to saying I don't like Scottish people because I've had a few bad experiences with them. (not that I have had any bad experiences with Scottish people, but feel as though if I don't clarify that point someones bound to ask me what my problem with Scottish people is!!)

BTW Fenix, many marijuana users hide their use due to attitudes like yours, which don't get me wrong, your entitled to. However, I wonder how many people you interact with every day use pot. Got you thinking, because the users are all over societies spread.

Fenix

9th February 2005, 02:01

When you're as depressed as I was at the time, you'd consider trying anything without thinking if it'd even help. Guess you've never been that desperate for any way out. *shrugs* I'm over it.

As for the bias, because one of my "friends" wanted to go get high she bailed on me and left me with no money in the middle of nowhere. Considering she knew I was quite unstable at the time, and decided her high was more important than her "friend", it left me a bit bitter. That was the first time a druggie let me down, but by far not the last. And I'm *trying* to not let it happen anymore. I'm satisfied that my bias is reasonably well based.

I'm not going to hold biases against something someone is, gender, sexuality, religion, race; but what you chose, to me, is different.

I'm sure someone will find a way to turn what I've said on me, but I don't really mind. Everyone's hypocritical in some form or another.

SPman

9th February 2005, 16:38

That was the first time a druggie let me down, but by far not the last

"Never trust a Junkie!" Ministry - Just One Fix

Blakamin

9th February 2005, 16:52

[i]
"Never trust a Junkie!" Ministry - Just One Fix

"Never trust a Junkie!" me - related to one

onearmedbandit

9th February 2005, 17:39

Side note for all non-smokers here.

Do you label anyone who smokes marijuana as a 'druggie'?
Because if you do, do you also label anyone who drinks alcohol as an 'alckie'(sp)?

Not that I really care, but it seems as though a few are very quick to tarnish everyone with the same brush. I've never considered myself a 'druggie', nor has anyone to my knowledge refered to me as one. See, while I smoke most nights, there is so much more to me than drugs.

And a junkie is a long way removed from a pot smoker, and I know you have personal experience Blakamin. But its so easy to generalise rather than accept there are many respectable, hardworking people who choose to smoke a little herb.

Blakamin

9th February 2005, 17:48

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And a junkie is a long way removed from a pot smoker, and I know you have personal experience Blakamin. But its so easy to generalise rather than accept there are many respectable, hardworking people who choose to smoke a little herb.
I might refer to you as a "smoker"... but that would be it...
I actually get a laugh when people presume I'm a smoker... quite funny to see their reaction at times..
must be the shaved head, tattoos and missing teeth...
I really don't care if people are smokers or not... just dont do it at my house :niceone: :apint:

Mongoose

9th February 2005, 18:01

Side note for all non-smokers here.

Do you label anyone who smokes marijuana as a 'druggie'?
Because if you do, do you also label anyone who drinks alcohol as an 'alckie'(sp)?

Marijuana abuser = Druggy
Alcohol abuser = 'Holic

onearmedbandit

9th February 2005, 18:12

Mongoose - I agree with what you say, no problem at all. But as soon as people know you smoke pot, a lot build a pre-conceived picture of who you are.

Mongoose

9th February 2005, 18:15

Mongoose - I agree with what you say, no problem at all. But as soon as people know you smoke pot, a lot build a pre-conceived picture of who you are.

If you saw some of the drongo brain dead lack wits I see, no wonder some people get that impression.
On the other hand i know a lot who smoke and that form part of the group that no one would ever think did.

mini_hooks_

9th February 2005, 18:26

well heres my 10 cents worth.....

i have never smoked wacky tobacky and never will, its crazy, i relax easier on the back of dads moterbike and at what, $20 a pop its a bit on the crazy side.....and what if you get caught, then what do you do, you cant leave the country and you will get a hefty fine if you are doing it in a public place...

well thats my opinion on the matter anyway :whocares: :stoogie: :doobey:

Riff Raff

9th February 2005, 18:29

mini_hooks_

9th February 2005, 18:35

Well done mini_hooks - you've got your head screwed on properly. :banana:

thanks riff raff.....dad doesn't thik so :whocares:

ZorsT

9th February 2005, 18:57

Wellyman

9th February 2005, 19:04

Never have never will. I get my thrils from motorcycles and bicycle riding. Especially with all the bad cage drivers on the road!

MikeL

9th February 2005, 21:07

You don't need to get shot to know its going to be a bad experience.

Sometimes you just know in your gut the rights and wrongs of a specific activity etc. Why is that? Intuition perhaps.

Talk to a masochist about the pleasures of getting shot...

But seriously, that's scarcely a valid analogy. Common sense has something to do with our aversion to being shot. Regardless of your stance on tobacco, alcohol or other drugs, you would be struggling to prove that common sense operates in the same way there. You could argue that the more intelligent someone is, the more likely they are to avoid these substances. But how do you account for the fact that otherwise highly intelligent people weigh up the risk factors and smoke, drink (or speed...) anyway?

Your gut feeling or intuition may tell you that a specific activity is wrong. Fine. Don't do it. Abortion is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. Euthanasia is wrong. Eating KFC is wrong. However, laws regulating people's freedoms need to be based on more than your gut feeling...

RiderInBlack

9th February 2005, 21:31

High IQ does not mean that they won't do stupid things. So called clever people do dumb arse shit all the time. There many differient types of intelligents. You can have someone with a very high IQ but has a low EQ (emotional intelligent quota). They would be a wizz at the books but thick as a brick when it comes to dating. I rather have someone with a good practical understanding of what they are doing over someone that can recite all the theories about what needs to be done but has never done that task before.

Krusti

9th February 2005, 21:34

Can honestly say I dont like it, not for me, made me feel as if I had lost TOO much control etc. Got mates that do, their bussiness. Trouble with getting OLDER is that when you have teenage kids facing the same choices we did I would rather they not even try and I will discourage them from doing so. Funny how your opinions change when watching your kids grow up.

marty

9th February 2005, 21:42

when i was on my OE i did - in a country that it was legal to do so. never have here though. and i have only ever charged one person with smoking cannabis. they were driving their car with 4 kids bouncing off their seat, smoking a 4 paper cheech and chong doobie. woulnd't stop for lights and siren, so i pulled up next to her (she was doing 50k on the open road, swerving all over the place) - so stoned that she just drove into the ditch and finally came to a stop when the wheels lost traction - foot still on the accellerator.

when honda gets back, ask him how cannabis use is rife amongst his clientelle, and how detrimental it is to them.

but hey - if it wasn't for alcohol and drugs, cops would be able to attend every 111 in 2 minutes.....

gav

9th February 2005, 21:49

hmmm, interesting thread. OK, yip use to smoke pot a bit on a casual basis, got busted for possession, $150 fine, but lost my job. Never really smoked that much, but after I lost my job, just about everywhere I went and met people everyone offered more shit :doobey: that I could imagine. Ended up in a couple of labouring type dead end jobs when being stoned was just part of the routine, dman easy routine to get in, damn hard to get out, not due to addicted, just don't want to! Eventually thought fuck that, got decent job and moved on. Alot of my mates still smoke though and now in the early 40 age bracket some have a hell of a lot to lose, but real suprising group of people and background. Must just be the Nelson lifestyle, huh? Its there if I want to indulge but these days rather drink bourban etc But OAB I know exactly where your coming from! :niceone:

avgas

9th February 2005, 21:57

:angry2: dont do it kiddies :angry2:
its naughty.

madboy

9th February 2005, 22:11

if it wasn't for alcohol and drugs, cops would be able to attend every 111 in 2 minutes.....
just think, without drugs and alcohol -what would happen to society?

It's not the sensible people who did/do it in moderation that will cause the problem, and by the sounds of things many of this people on this site are the sensible ones. I barely drink these days cos I just don't have the time to spend recovering, I don't like being hung over, and I have to be completely straight Mon-Fri in my job.

It's the people who allow it to affect their lives that I have no respect for. Imagine if they didn't do it, and then their kids didn't do it, and then their grandkids didn't do it... perhaps then they managed to get educated AND have a work ethic instilled, and maybe then became productive members of society?... holy shit, then I wouldn't be paying so much friggin tax supporting the low-lifes and I could buy a faster bike!!

spudchucka

9th February 2005, 22:24

Talk to a masochist about the pleasures of getting shot...

But seriously, that's scarcely a valid analogy. Common sense has something to do with our aversion to being shot. Regardless of your stance on tobacco, alcohol or other drugs, you would be struggling to prove that common sense operates in the same way there. You could argue that the more intelligent someone is, the more likely they are to avoid these substances. But how do you account for the fact that otherwise highly intelligent people weigh up the risk factors and smoke, drink (or speed...) anyway?

Your gut feeling or intuition may tell you that a specific activity is wrong. Fine. Don't do it. Abortion is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. Euthanasia is wrong. Eating KFC is wrong. However, laws regulating people's freedoms need to be based on more than your gut feeling...You're a twister and manipulator of words quite often it seems. I never said that laws should be based on gut intincts. Quit playing silly buggers with what I've said.

But how do you account for the fact that otherwise highly intelligent people weigh up the risk factors and smoke, drink (or speed...) anyway?They have addictive personalities and the binge drinking mentality that is prevalent in our youth never leaves some people in adulthood.

Fenix

9th February 2005, 23:02

the binge drinking mentality that is prevalent in our youth never leaves some people in adulthood

Now, I know I'm weird, but I honestly do not get the binge drinking thing. I know a lot of people who get so drunk they can't walk and don't remember what happened yesterday; but it's just never appealed to me. *shrugs* Oh well. Knowing your limits is a very usefull attribute.

flyin

10th February 2005, 13:57

Marijuana abuser = Druggy
Alcohol abuser = 'Holic

Use not Abuse Guys!!! really, evrery drug can be used safely if the user is sensible (informed ) time, place, later commitments etc....

those reports you were quoting about mental illnesses and the effects of smoking...... most probly part of the propaganda fed to the public by the government, drug companies, "them" (ya kno drug companies pushed prohabition due to the fact you cannot patent a natural medicine )

The huge amounts of propaganda fed to the public is scary - there is evidence of their " anti dope marketing " is obvious in this thread and those who have been brainwashed by the governments scare tactics don't even kno what's happening..........

look up what the plant has beeen used for fro generations.... paper .......... sails ............. rope............ food .............. and its a regenerative annual crop soooo.......

if we want to save the planet we all have to GROW MORE POT!!

Mongoose

10th February 2005, 14:07

Use not Abuse Guys!!! really, evrery drug can be used safely if the user is sensible (informed ) time, place, later commitments etc....

look up what the plant has beeen used for fro generations.... paper .......... sails ............. rope............ food .............. and its a regenerative annual crop soooo.......

if we want to save the planet we all have to GROW MORE POT!!

You are correct, i doubt any of those things would cause mental illness, but then again those activities do not introduce a drug into the body. :brick:

RiderInBlack

10th February 2005, 14:21

Use not Abuse Guys!!! really, evrery drug can be used safely if the user is sensible (informed ) time, place, later commitments etc....
What a load of shit. If you really believe that statement your already fu*k mate. Go have another smoke. There are a lot of unsafe drugs that will fu*k you up good a proper from just using it once.
By the way there are therapeutic uses for Marijuana, which I am (as an ex Reg Nurse) quite if favour of, mainly as a chonic pain releaver, a seditive and an apperite enhancer.

flyin

10th February 2005, 14:44

I'm not saying there's not drugs that will mess you up with one use but the majority of recreational drugs can be used safely if the user is properly iformed of what its going to do,( good point in legalisation (know what you are doing)) how much to take and how long to lay off afterwards ( eg two tabs of LSD a year will not leave your brain any less retarded than if you hadnt touched a single drug during th year even piss)

the reports coming out now (see the summer issue of "NORMAL NEWS" ) are agreeing that pot influences the area of the brain that some mental illnesses and conditions like epilepsy, it states that it could be positive effects and further testing is being carried out
also it has been found to be a cure for cancer!!!! not straight out fix the cancer but used in treatments ( esp during kemotherapy)

Marajuana is a plant that grows naturally, always has, always wil!! it should be totally legal (mite not happen straight away but it will happen)

Mongoose

10th February 2005, 14:51

I'm not saying there's not drugs that will mess you up with one use but the majority of recreational drugs can be used safely if the user is properly iformed of what its going to do,( good point in legalisation (know what you are doing)) how much to take and how long to lay off afterwards ( eg two tabs of LSD a year will not leave your brain any less retarded than if you hadnt touched a single drug during th year even piss)

Would like to see where this "fact" came from.

the reports coming out now (see the summer issue of "NORMAL NEWS" ) are agreeing that pot influences the area of the brain that some mental illnesses and conditions like epilepsy, it states that it could be positive effects and further testing is being carried out

VERY vague, Ooooops, just realised where this "Info" was coming from.

also it has been found to be a cure for cancer!!!! not straight out fix the cancer but used in treatments ( esp during kemotherapy)

As pain relief perhaps? Is that meant to be something new?

Marajuana is a plant that grows naturally, always has, always wil!! it should be totally legal (mite not happen straight away but it will happen)

Hemlock grows wild and free, care for a cup of hemlock tea?

RiderInBlack

10th February 2005, 15:47

So does Bella Donna, Tutu, and Fox Glove (I could go on). The point is that "Natural does not equal safe or healthy".
Marijuana has been used for pain relieve by patients who suffer chronic pain (pain that lasts for years) for some time now (suprised that a reader of "Normal" didn't know that), and reseach has been (and is) done to make a prescription version of this plant for that purpose. I for one would have been happier to give this to a patient rather that Morphine on many occasions.
Morphine: Good pain relief, but slows the bowls and can cause nausea. This leads to lowering the appetite and can lead to constipation. Can be physically addictive.
Marijuana: Reasonable Pain relief, does not slow the bowls, does not cause nausea, increases the appetite, not known to cause a physical addiction.

MikeL

10th February 2005, 15:51

You're a twister and manipulator of words quite often it seems. I never said that laws should be based on gut intincts. Quit playing silly buggers with what I've said.

They have addictive personalities and the binge drinking mentality that is prevalent in our youth never leaves some people in adulthood.

Now who's getting devious?

1. You used the phrase in connection with a discussion of what is right and wrong. This whole thread is to do with the use and abuse of legal and illegal substances. It is reasonable to infer from your statements that you support the continued criminalization of marijuana, and would not oppose the banning of presently legal substances, more because of your own experiences and conscience than from the findings of scientific research and logical argument.
If that constitutes "twisting" and "manipulation" it says more about your perception than my intention.

2 Anyone who drinks alcohol at all has an addictive personality??? Did I refer to binge drinking? How about distinguishing between "use" and "abuse" for a start?

MikeL

10th February 2005, 15:54

So does Bella Donna, Tutu, and Fox Glove (I could go on). The point is that "Natural does not equal safe or healthy".
Marijuana has been used for pain relieve by patients who suffer chronic pain (pain that lasts for years) for some time now (suprised that a reader of "Normal" didn't know that), and reseach has been (and is) done to make a prescription version of this plant for that purpose. I for one would have been happier to give this to a patient rather that Morphine on many occasions.
Morphine: Good pain relief, but slows the bowls and can cause nausea. This leads to lowering the apperite and can lead to constipation. Can be physically addictive.
Marijuana: Reasonable Pain relief, does not slow the bowls, does not cause nausea, increases the apperite, not known to cause a physical addiction.

But you must be aware from a recent court case that society cannot condone the use of this substance in any circumstance, even for those suffering the pain of a terminal illness. Surely you are not saying that in some cases it is acceptable??

RiderInBlack

10th February 2005, 16:04

Surely you are not saying that in some cases it is acceptable??Surely I am. As far as I'm concerned the law needs to change to allow prescription use of Marijuana. We do for Morphine. This by the way is my oppinion.

White trash

10th February 2005, 16:07

I actually get a laugh when people presume I'm a smoker... quite funny to see their reaction at times..
must be the shaved head, tattoos and missing teeth...
I really don't care if people are smokers or not... just dont do it at my house :niceone: :apint:

Mate of mine has exactly the same issue. Fuck it's funny.....

Biff

10th February 2005, 16:09

But you must be aware from a recent court case that society cannot condone the use of this substance in any circumstance, even for those suffering the pain of a terminal illness. Surely you are not saying that in some cases it is acceptable??

I'm firmly in the camp of it being acceptable for medical use.

A very close relative of mine smokes three joints a day. One in the morning, one early afternoon and one in the evening. She does this in order to alleviate the terrible back pain that she's suffered from for years, following a horrific attack.

Prior to smoking pot she virtually rattled when she walked, such were the number of pills that she had to take throughout the day. Now she leads an active life, holds down a job and saves the UK taxpayer 10's of thousands of pounds every year in prescription painkillers, anti-inflammatories etc, and her doctor approves.

The only person that she’s harming is herself.

A friend of hers who doesn’t smoke it herself, grows it specifically for my relative.

My relatives quality of life has improved.

Other than smoking pot for the last few years, she has never been on the wrong side of the law.

She’d prefer it to be available as a prescription drug, that way she’d get it for free (!) and she wouldn’t be breaking the law, which is something that really concerns her. Nobody could ever convince me that what she is doing is morally wrong. Irrespective of what the law says.

**R1**

10th February 2005, 16:40

I'm firmly in the camp of it being acceptable for medical use.

A very close relative of mine smokes three joints a day. One in the morning, one early afternoon and one in the evening. She does this in order to alleviate the terrible back pain that she's suffered from for years, following a horrific attack.

Prior to smoking pot she virtually rattled when she walked, such were the number of pills that she had to take throughout the day. Now she leads an active life, holds down a job and saves the UK taxpayer 10's of thousands of pounds every year in prescription painkillers, anti-inflammatories etc, and her doctor approves.

The only person that she’s harming is herself.

A friend of hers who doesn’t smoke it herself, grows it specifically for my relative.

My relatives quality of life has improved.

Other than smoking pot for the last few years, she has never been on the wrong side of the law.

She’d prefer it to be available as a prescription drug, that way she’d get it for free (!) and she wouldn’t be breaking the law, which is something that really concerns her. Nobody could ever convince me that what she is doing is morally wrong. Irrespective of what the law says.

Thats a very good speach, but i just wanted to say i love ya signature :niceone:

and this whole pot thing could go on foreva...so lets all go get stoned and get over it :cool: .........or not what ever ya prefer.

marty

10th February 2005, 16:45

[QUOTE=flyin] (see the summer issue of "NORMAL NEWS" ) are agreeing that pot influences the area of the brain that some mental illnesses and conditions like epilepsy, it states that it could be positive effects and further testing is being carried out
also it has been found to be a cure for cancer!!!! not straight out fix the cancer but used in treatments ( esp during kemotherapy)
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a CURE???????????? it's accepted it provides a relief from, but a CURE????????????????? that's a huge leap of faith. and it's NORML, not NORMAL, and the people in there certainly aren't.

i think you need to either have another smoke, or cut it out all together.

10th February 2005, 18:37

:spudwhat:

spudchucka

10th February 2005, 20:01

Now who's getting devious?

1. You used the phrase in connection with a discussion of what is right and wrong. This whole thread is to do with the use and abuse of legal and illegal substances. It is reasonable to infer from your statements that you support the continued criminalization of marijuana, and would not oppose the banning of presently legal substances, more because of your own experiences and conscience than from the findings of scientific research and logical argument.
If that constitutes "twisting" and "manipulation" it says more about your perception than my intention.

2 Anyone who drinks alcohol at all has an addictive personality??? Did I refer to binge drinking? How about distinguishing between "use" and "abuse" for a start?
Sorry Mike, I'm not going to play the games you want me to play so quit fishing.

My thoughts on prohibition were covered in the other pot thread, surely you haven't forgotten.

I'm sure you have a good dictionary collection, you can look up the meanings of use and abuse for yourself.

Does someone who takes cough medicine have an addictive personality?

MikeL

10th February 2005, 21:03

Sorry Mike, I'm not going to play the games you want me to play so quit fishing.

My thoughts on prohibition were covered in the other pot thread, surely you haven't forgotten.

I'm sure you have a good dictionary collection, you can look up the meanings of use and abuse for yourself.

Does someone who takes cough medicine have an addictive personality?

Aw, you're no fun any more. I guess I'll have to go find someone else to fish for. I mean with.

bikerboy

12th February 2005, 10:55

Sorry Mike, I'm not going to play the game...................Does someone who takes cough medicine have an addictive personality?

Addiction can take many forms; authority, power, or the need to control other people's lives, etc. It can be learned and is far more insidious than weed.

Besides, I thought this was a poll and comment thread on whether one or does not smoke pot?? Not another opportunity for people to tell others how to think and live.

:spudwhat:

spudchucka

12th February 2005, 15:10

You'll have to try harder too, different bait to Mike but just as useless.

hobdar

12th February 2005, 15:28

My experience dealing with people who use dope from all walks of society has been bad....no contest, worse when it affects there ability to look after their responsibilities ....especially there kids....and has often lead to violence in various forms and occasionally to police involvement due to risk to others or self..and in some instances to innocent kids...

My humble opinion don't start, if you have started please stop...if you don't want to stop please make sure you and others around you remain safe (esp your kids)...and don't do it around me... :done: oh yeah and if ya can get a copy of the following book, it is probably in your local library...

find the book "The Great Brain Robbery" A drug education book written by Tom Scott (Cartoonist) and Trevor Grice..

it is a kiwi based book which is very informative and useful resource for those of us with kids/teenagers and is designed to provide parents, teachers, and young people easy access to vital information on teen drug problems, adolescent drug addiction and alcoholism. Problems with Alcohol, Amphetamines, Barbiturates, Caffeine, Cocaine, Ecstasy, Hallucinogens, Inhalants, Marijuana, Nicotine, Narcotics, Opiates, Cannabis, Steroids, and other drugs of abuse challenge educators, treatment professionals, prevention specialist, counsellors, the clergy and parents. But, most of all adolescent substance abuse challenges the teenagers who use the drugs, and those who love them and watch them suffer.

here is a cut down version i found online http://www.brainrobbery.com/

Skyryder

12th February 2005, 16:12

Grew pot once...............on a potters wheel. :stupid: Still got it somewhere. Also had a joint..............leg of lamb. :beer:

Skyryder

Skyryder

12th February 2005, 16:31

bikerboy

13th February 2005, 10:02

You'll have to try harder too, different bait to Mike but just as useless.

Like fish in a barrel mate, no bait required.

bikerboy

13th February 2005, 10:08

But on a serious note. Of the two drugs that are smoked in this county Nicotene is a poison and is legal Pot is not and is illegal. Think that should say something to all one way or another.

Skyryder

Yeah funny that, so is alcohol, or the "something better" often refered to on this thread.

Biff

18th February 2005, 14:57

Excuse my dredging up this old thread, but this poll closed today, so in order to experience 'closure' on this debate I though I'd be kind enough to present the results to you.

Overall 59 people stretched their fingers and voted - thanks.

People who smoke most/every night - 8.47%
People that smoke more than one night a week - 8.47%
Those that smoke every now and again as a treat - 11.86%
Only when offered - 16.95%
Never have, never would - 28.81%
I used to, but no longer - 23.73%

Therefore:

A little under 70% (69.5%) of those people who voted either have or currently do smoke pot. Leaving around 30% that never have, nor would they.

Now I find those figures remarkable. While I appreciate that we bikies may not be a true representation of society I think it’s fair to say that we all come from a broad base of social economic backgrounds if nothing else. I’d never have guessed that the ‘I dos’ would out-number the ‘no thank yous’ but such a large margin.

Let's just hope that I don’t have a bad day and decide to present the names of all those that admitted smoking it to the police, otherwise this place would be mighty empty!! (before you skip town, this is a joke).

vifferman

18th February 2005, 15:00

I didnt vote yet.

Hookah.

Hitcher

18th February 2005, 15:18

The title of this particular survey was misleading. "Have you inhaled?" covers contingencies that the survey did not provide for, like those behind-the-bike-sheds moments of one's yoof. The survey was actually about "do you smoke marijuana".

Any scientific validity is questionable as, it could be argued, the types of people attracted to participate in the poll were those already predisposed to the consumption of marijuana. Nevertheless, the outcome is interesting and food for thought.

vifferman

18th February 2005, 15:40

Nevertheless, the outcome is interesting and food for thought.
Or smoke for lungs.
Or (arguably) various substances for brains. Or thought.
Or summat.

Look - there you go! Yet another alleged data point for vifferbabe's hypothesis that allegedly inhaling said substances on a handful of alleged occasions fooks your brain forever....

magnum

18th February 2005, 15:42

used to smoke heaps in my twentys,so what,i couldnt give a shit what others think,each to there own just not for me anymore. :sunny:

Hitcher

18th February 2005, 15:51

And another question that fascinates me is how many people who smoke marijuana have never smoked tobacco? Having learnt to inhale toxic smoke, transitioning to other products that require inhalation (marijuana, hashish, P, crack) must be considerably easier...

Biff

18th February 2005, 15:58

The survey was actually about "do you smoke marijuana".

Indeed, those of a more observant disposition may have noticed that upon reading my initial post. Apologies for the misleading thread title though however, your vote for, 'yes I smoke like a condom on a rabbit porn star' was registered. So fret ye not :Pokey:

As for the title - it was a take on a recent US president's claim to have smoked pot, but not inhaled.

From this point forward I will walk around with my head in a plate of jelly and call myself Rupert in order to pay for my (ongoing) idiocy.

Mongoose

18th February 2005, 15:58

But on a serious note. Of the two drugs that are smoked in this county Nicotene is a poison and is legal Pot is not and is illegal. Think that should say something to all one way or another.

Skyryder

That is interesting, smoked pot is not poisoness? I think you could be wrong here.

Hitcher

18th February 2005, 17:55

From this point forward I will walk around with my head in a plate of jelly and call myself Rupert in order to pay for my (ongoing) idiocy.
Yes. That should suffice adequately.

Draco

19th February 2005, 09:58

Don't get on here much so late as usual. I know this thread has probably run it's course but i felt i had to back RIB up on this one. While i too personally think pot should be legalised for medicinal purposes as it does help alot of people with cancer, paraplegia, chronic pain etc. But there is also the subject of mental illness to consider. I also am completing my bachelor of health science (nursing degree) and am currently in the middle of a mental health paper. This week i have watched three documentary videos of interviews with mental health patients. Many of them attest to the fact that even one joint is enough to trigger an acute episode of their manic-depression (bi-polar). There are definate links between SOME mental illness and pot, and there is scientific evidence to back it up. It's only now that controlled research is being done on the benefits. There is a study underway at the moment (at auck uni i think) on the long term effects of pot, it will be interesting to see the results. When RIB says there is research out there, i can tell you when u study a nursing degree you can't just use any old propaganda crap, it has to be stuff from ligit studies, refereed journals etc.

RiderInBlack

19th February 2005, 12:13

When RIB says there is research out there, i can tell you when u study a nursing degree you can't just use any old propaganda crap, it has to be stuff from ligit studies, refereed journals etc.Thanks Draco. Yep Ref'ing APA system sucked big time as did the papers on resreach, but it did help you sort the ligit from the crap.