Fagatt?

[vifferman]

No, I'm not talking about limp-wristed people (I do know how to spell).
I'm talking about "Fuck All Gear, All The Time". Well... maybe only Most of the time, for all I know.
There's a guy who lives somewhere in or near Birkenhead, who I've spotted several times, riding a Triumph Rocket III. Each time he's been wearing the following:
An open-faced helmet.
A nylon "Fox" jacket or vest (the latter, I think, from memory).
Shorts.
Sports shoes.
Underwear and socks. (I guess).

Yeah it's his business, but it... just... sorta bothers me. :confused:
We're talking here about Serious Motorcycle Iron, ridden in a very casual way. It keeps niggling at me, in a way that someone dressed Eggs Zachary the same but riding a Dog 50 scooter wouldn't cause more than a slight "Tsk" or shake of the head.

[AlBundy]

You should know better than to start one of these threads....

Here we go again...

[007XX]

It does more than just bother me, it pisses me right off!!!

Don't get me bloody started, but if you're on a moving vehicle, you need protection...full stop, no ifs or buts!

[nodrog]

i rode to the shop the other day in jeans and a tee shirt, i didnt die.

[outlawtorn]

No, I'm not talking about limp-wristed people (I do know how to spell).
I'm talking about "Fuck All Gear, All The Time". Well... maybe only Most of the time, for all I know.
There's a guy who lives somewhere in or near Birkenhead, who I've spotted several times, riding a Triumph Rocket III. Each time he's been wearing the following:
An open-faced helmet.
A nylon "Fox" jacket or vest (the latter, I think, from memory).
Shorts.
Sports shoes.
Underwear and socks. (I guess).

Yeah it's his business, but it... just... sorta bothers me. :confused:
We're talking here about Serious Motorcycle Iron, ridden in a very casual way. It keeps niggling at me, in a way that someone dressed Eggs Zachary the same but riding a Dog 50 scooter wouldn't cause more than a slight "Tsk" or shake of the head.

I agree with you completely, you should be kitted up as best you can all the time. But I have encountered some people who reckon that a helmet is the single most important thing to wear, everything else is subjective, can't say I agree with that though.

[RnB Fan]

I'm an ATGATT kind of person myself but it is all about personal responsibility!

[vtec]

Simple solution, worry about number 1. Stop concerning yourself with others wellbeing. Everyone has a choice. Everyone knows what happens when you slide along the ground at pace on your skin.

I'm pro-choice. Some lessons are harder than others, but still have to be learnt. Most people only learn by doing.

[Trudes]

Whilst visiting the Gold Coast a few weeks ago both I and the other half were amazed at the lack of gear worn by the majority of riders we saw.
We visited many bike stores while we were there and saw three people taking large bikes out for test rides wearing sneakers, shorts, t-shirt and a helmet, stunned!! Also heard on the radio that they are considering reviewing some motorcycle laws there at the moment regarding limiting the CC rating of bikes that learners can ride and their ability to carry pillions, so immediately the thought of people with fresh new learner licences riding 1000CC bikes with a pillion on board and not wearing any gear aside from a helmet scared the crap out of me!
Live and let live, sure, but god, have a little thought for your skin!:(

[Swoop]

Does he wave???

[Oscar]

I'm an ATGATT kind of person myself but it is all about personal responsibility!

It isn't really.
Look at the ACC component in your rego fee.
You're paying to repair knobends like him...

[Big Dave]

Does he wave???

And they do have USD Forks.

[Swoop]

And they do have USD Forks.

Too fast for me to ride, then. Respec to that rider!

[sunhuntin]

i frequently ride in as little gear as possible. i wont ride in shorts if i can at all avoid it [last time was going to the doc for a knee problem and i wasnt interested in dropping my dacks] simply cos im not interested in turning my legs into a roast.

i got hit years ago wearing jeans and a singlet. my legs are fucked [as are the jeans] but my unprotected upper body came away with a tiny knick on the thumb. i now think that if id been naked i would have bounced. :sick:

id be more worried about the dick weed quad riding farmers who dont wear helmets. dont forget, they get lumped in with us and are one of the main reasons our acc is as high as it is.

[Lissa]

You might get all enraged and upset about seeing people riding around without all the protective clothing on, but why let it personally upset you? Those people (unless somehow quite retarded) know the risks, but choose to do it anyway.

Even if you stopped them and had a rant at them about how stupid it is, it wont make much difference, and they probably would tell you to mind your own business but probably with a few choice swear words. Personal choice it is. Ive had the long talks with people who choose to wear what I would consider hardly protective gear, but in the end its their decision, just have to live with it.

[madbikeboy]

I'm with Viff on this one. I gave a dumbass on a GN250 a bollicking the other day for riding in Jandals, shorts, open face lid that looked to date from the 1780's... And worst of all, a t-shirt with a nice flower on it, but without swear words. I mean, he's a biker right?? What's offensive about a nice t-shirt with a flower?

[Lissa]

I'm with Viff on this one. I gave a dumbass on a GN250 a bollicking the other day for riding in Jandals, shorts, open face lid that looked to date from the 1780's... And worst of all, a t-shirt with a nice flower on it, but without swear words. I mean, he's a biker right?? What's offensive about a nice t-shirt with a flower?

So because you are a biker and he is a biker you think you have the right to bollick him? If you did that to me I would tell you to get fucked. Would love to see you go up to a Hells Angel or someone of a big persuasion and give them a bollicking about their lack of gear. :rolleyes:

[nico]

saw a guy dismorning i was gona start up a thread but viffrman got in first, on his way to petone on a bandit (or similar) hodie, shorts, tennis shoes, i could only shake my head really why would ya?????

[vifferman]

You should know better than to start one of these threads.....
I wasn't gunna, but like I said, it was just niggling away at me.


i rode to the shop the other day in jeans and a tee shirt, i didnt die.
Good for you. I do that sort of thing sometimes too.
This bloke wasn't just riding to the shop - he was communtering to work, and on his way to the D'Auckland CBD. That means he was participating in The Wacky Races. He was obviously not au fait with the rules (unless he was a last-minute novelty entry. :confused:


I'm an ATGATT kind of person myself but it is all about personal responsibility!
I agree. I'd actually hate to see mandation (yeah, ferktifiknow if it's a word either) - it leads to giving the Faceless Grey-faced Grey-suited Bureaucrats more power. Fukkim I say.


Simple solution, worry about number 1. Stop concerning yourself with others wellbeing. Everyone has a choice. Everyone knows what happens when you slide along the ground at pace on your skin.

I'm pro-choice. Some lessons are harder than others, but still have to be learnt. Most people only learn by doing.
I wasn't worrying. Just bemused.
And somewhat astonished.
Serious Toys = Appropriately Serious Gear. Usually...


Does he wave???
He would've looked a plonker waving at me - I was parked right next to him at the lights.
And no, I didn't try'n drag him off.
Pity - I would've won. :blank:


You're paying to repair knobends like him...
Yebbit I'd still like personal responisibilty to rule over imposed bureaucracy.


You might get all enraged and upset about seeing people riding around without all the protective clothing on, but why let it personally upset you?
I was neither enraged nor upset. :no:
Just commenting, is all. :yes:

Safety? Pah!
I was just concerned that he was dressed for tennis, and he was riding a Two-wheeled Behemoth of the Tarmac.
Most inappropriate.

[vtec]

It isn't really.
Look at the ACC component in your rego fee.
You're paying to repair knobends like him...

That sounds more like a problem with the system, than a problem with freedom of choice. Simple if it bothers you that much, then campaign for ACC to only cover riders wearing full protection. But don't make it illegal to not wear full gear. I like to pick and choose my moments of weakness, and ride accordingly.

[Hitcher]

Burn them!

[scorpious]

You should know better than to start one of these threads....

Here we go again...

ba hahahahahaha. you where bang on!!!! green rep for you lol

[slofox]

mandation

= compulsion?

[Big Dave]

It isn't really.
Look at the ACC component in your rego fee.
You're paying to repair knobends like him...

And every other knobend that can't drive a car, ride a push bike - or breaks a collar bone adventure riding up some track that only an obvious knobend would try and ride up.

It's all relative - pay the tax and get over it. Mr Road Rash is a miniscule component in the cost of stupidity pool.

[vifferman]

= compulsion?
Manatee? (Anything goes, in the Wacky Races.) :yes:

[kermit63]

Riding my 675 - full gear. Riding my wifes scooter - a lot less - open face helmet, work clothes, shoes and a casual leather jacket. It's not all one-sided. Sitting up right on a scooter with an open faced helmet, I can see a lot more than crouched over on the Daytona with a full face helmet.

If I come off on the road, yep I'll possibly get hurt more, but then cycling to work in lycra with a helmet than is more holes than it is helmet, I'm a lot more exposed and am travelling at aound 30-35ks on the flat and 50ks down hill, so not too different to the scooter commute.

ACC component of my Bike or scooter $166.50. ACC charge for sitting at a desk typing on a computer for a year - around $1,800. Where's the risk and who's paying for who here.

If we make ACC only for ATGATT riders, does that mean the health system would only be for skinny blokes that exercise and don't smoke?

[Swoop]

Everyone has a choice. Everyone knows what happens when you slide along the ground at pace on your skin.
Just noticed the sponsors in your Sig.
Has Pete replaced the gsxr1000 he crashed??

[Bonez]

Was he considerate to other road users?

[vtec]

Just noticed the sponsors in your Sig.
Has Pete replaced the gsxr1000 he crashed??

Nope, he's had a long recovery, and is able to walk again with a stick, but I don't know if he'll ride again. He's got a 350Z that hes probably going to modify and get to the track. Haven't seen him since last year when he was in hospital, only been in touch by email, and he doesn't give away much. I'll get more out of him when I see him within the next month.

I had my own life problems (woman and life's expectations) and had to get away for a bit. But I'm better and coming back.

[Swoop]

Nope, he's had a long recovery, and is able to walk again with a stick, but I don't know if he'll ride again. He's got a 350Z that hes probably going to modify and get to the track. Haven't seen him since last year when he was in hospital, only been in touch by email, and he doesn't give away much. I'll get more out of him when I see him within the next month.

I had my own life problems (woman and life's expectations) and had to get away for a bit. But I'm better and coming back.
Good to hear that you are both on the road to recovery!:clap:

[Motu]

Once Helen and the Nanny State were voted out I thought all the hand holding threads would stop.Maybe all the polls were wrong and this site is really full of Labour supporters.

[LilSel]

It is a personal choice, but I would hate to come across a rider down who didnt have gear on!! :sick:

I personally ride with all the gear :) need to get a summer jacket or something tho cuz totally roast in summer even without the liner in it :sunny:

[piston broke]

atgatt.
not i,
i just got my first pair of leathers this month.
thats after 26 years as a licenced rider.
somehow the worst injury was bruised feet after hitting a strainer post,still on the bike but on it's side.
i was a fool in the early day's too,2 spills at a ton+.also many others.
guess i've just been REALLY fortunate.

[jrandom]

It does more than just bother me, it pisses me right off!!!

Don't get me bloody started, but if you're on a moving vehicle, you need protection...full stop, no ifs or buts!

Yes mum.<tenchars>

[toycollector10]

When I see someone with a pudding basin helmet, t-shirt, shorts, whatever, I immediately think "Man you look cool, James Dean stylin' and you're in control of your ride and that's a great look"

Sorry, I meant to say "You're a poseur and a fool to yourself and the people who love you and depend on you" and if it goes bad for you on the road it's going to go really fucking bad.

And when I see a rider with all the gear I know he gives proper thought to his riding and his safety. Respect. Why give the bloody cagers the percentage over you. They've got it all over us already so why make it easier for them to kill you?

So when you have your tennis gear on, or whatever, and a guy goes past you the other way with all the gear he will see you but he will also think you are:

1. A noob
2. Dangerous to himself
3. Immature in his riding behaviour.

And all that crap about rules for group riding a few days ago. "When your wingman goes to overtake you must go with him," even though you can't see where he's leading you or what shit-storm is going to come down on your head in the next half second due to his incompetence and bullshit, macho, stick with the group attitude.

The day I follow someone, the day I trust their judgement over my own, is the day I give the game away.

[Racer X]

Yawn, OMG- did you all have overbearing mothers who wouldn't let you outside without shoes and a sweater??

This really is a NZ only phenomena!

[Oscar]

Yawn, OMG- did you all have overbearing mothers who wouldn't let you outside without shoes and a sweater??

This really is a NZ only phenomena!

You've never traveled, have you...?

[vifferman]

Yawn, OMG- did you all have overbearing mothers who wouldn't let you outside without shoes and a sweater??

This really is a NZ only phenomena!
Hmmm...
Here's a random(ish) photo from my recent travels.
Some bikers in Churmany on a very warm late summer day.

Ja, ja - that's right: they're Churmans, so that doesn't count. :rolleyes:

[slimjim]

[QUOTE=toycollector10;1824772]When I see someone with a pudding basin helmet, t-shirt, shorts, whatever, I immediately think "Man you look cool, James Dean stylin' and you're in control of your ride and that's a great look"

Sorry, I meant to say(..:baby:..Oop's you wouldn't say it..you would only think it ) "You're a poseur and a fool to yourself and the people who love you and depend on you" and if it goes bad for you on the road it's going to go really fucking bad.

And when I see a rider with all the gear I know he gives proper thought to his riding and his safety. Respect. Why give the bloody cagers the percentage over you. They've got it all over us already so why make it easier for them to kill you?...
.dude cagers don't want to kill us...:rolleyes:..:rolleyes:shit

So when you have your tennis gear on, or whatever, and a guy goes past you the other way with all the gear he will see you but he will also think you are:

1. A noob
2. Dangerous to himself
3. Immature in his riding behaviour.

And all that crap about rules for group riding a few days ago. "When your wingman goes to overtake you must go with him," even though you can't see where he's leading you or what shit-storm is going to come down on your head in the next half second due to his incompetence and bullshit, macho, stick with the group attitude.

....:spanking:..aren't crap...:nono:..is way of the club..:bleh:

[SARGE]

i ride in a leather jacket, good gloves, a good HJC Carbon hat, sturdy boots and JEANS..


in the States.. i never owned a helmet or armored jacket..

[jrandom]

Every day at the moment I do 70kph on two wheels in traffic, to all intents and purposes naked.

It kinda recalibrates ATGATT paranoia on the motorcycle.

Probably not as much as all that 'getting shot at' shit did for Sarge, though.

Perspective is a funny old thing.

[Big Dave]

i ride in a leather jacket, good gloves, a good HJC Carbon hat, sturdy boots and JEANS..


in the States.. i never owned a helmet or armored jacket..

When I lived in Aus I didn't own wet weather gear.

[Big Dave]

Perspective is a funny old thing.

Depends which way you look at it.

[SARGE]

When I lived in Aus I didn't own wet weather gear.

youve softened up in your old age Dave

[Dodgyiti]

Simple solution, worry about number 1. Stop concerning yourself with others wellbeing. Everyone has a choice. Everyone knows what happens when you slide along the ground at pace on your skin.

I'm pro-choice. Some lessons are harder than others, but still have to be learnt. Most people only learn by doing.

But it puts our rego costs up with the ACC levy!!! All those skin grafts don't come cheap ya know.

Personally it pisses me of for that reason x 4 bikes and the strain on our medical system for things that are not essential if the gear was worn.
Kinda like paying for boob jobs for clowns from the taxpayer's slush fund:blink:

[nodrog]

Personally it pisses me of for that reason x 4 bikes and the strain on our medical system for things that are not essential if the gear was worn.
Kinda like paying for boob jobs for clowns from the taxpayer's slush fund:blink:

maybe we should wrap rugby players up in bubble wrap, i mean its not essential that they beat each other up chasing a ball around is it?

[Big Dave]

youve softened up in your old age Dave

Tell me about it.
I lifted a Norton on a trailer once just by picking it. Now I struggle getting both wheels on a Bonneville off the ground solo.

[Thunder 8]

And every other knobend that can't drive a car, ride a push bike - or breaks a collar bone adventure riding up some track that only an obvious knobend would try and ride up.

It's all relative - pay the tax and get over it. Mr Road Rash is a miniscule component in the cost of stupidity pool.
Yep right on. So many other reasons acc are tucking everybody and motorcyclists are just a small part of it and the stupidity pool is just getting bigger.:shit::laugh:

[Dodgyiti]

maybe we should wrap rugby players up in bubble wrap, i mean its not essential that they beat each other up chasing a ball around is it?

Oh, don't get me started with ball sports!:angry2:

But in their defence, they warm up before playing, undergo training and conditioning- heck some are even wearing padding and head protection and they don't have to by law.
We are talking about the lowest common denominator in Darwinism here.

I sometimes pull up to this type at the front of the lights and lean over and say- like I've just met Superman in the flesh "You must be invincable!"
The reply is often "Huh?" or "What?"

"The way that your skin is impervious to asphalt"

Then ride off at the light change

(I actually do this, have done it plenty of times over the last 20+ years)

[Big Dave]

I had some arseclown on a 50cc scooter 'radically undertake' me in Newmarket - he was wearing singlet, board shorts and jandals and I thought it was fantastic.

[nodrog]

...heck some are even wearing padding and head protection and they don't have to by law....

well there you go then, they dont have to by law, but they choose too, just like motorcyclists have that choice.

[Oscar]

I had some arseclown on a 50cc scooter 'radically undertake' me in Newmarket - he was wearing singlet, board shorts and jandals and I thought it was fantastic.

Yeah, but you're used to it...

[Big Dave]

Yeah true. I go to Newmarket regularly.

[marioc]

The reason it upsets me is because its my taxes and increasing acc levies that pay for these fuckwits when they do fall off!

[vtec]

So lobby ACC to not cover people without full gear if it annoys you. Or quit worrying.

[marioc]

oh sure I will start tommorrow....:crazy:

[007XX]

Yes mum.<tenchars>

Sweety, I've already told you: you need a bigger key to get me revving up! :bleh:

*cheeky bugger...just as well you can cook!*

[vifferman]

Sweety, I've already told you: you need a bigger key to get me revving up! :bleh:

*cheeky bugger...just as well you can cook!*
Hey!
This is 'my' thread! Go flirt somewhere else. :Pokey:

*chortle*

[jrandom]

Sweety, I've already told you: you need a bigger key to get me revving up! :bleh:

If I wanted to get you revving up, I'd just pull off the front panel and connect the clearly-labelled wires.

[007XX]

Hey!
This is 'my' thread! Go flirt somewhere else. :Pokey:

*chortle*

:shake: Make me!


If I wanted to get you revving up, I'd just pull off the front panel and connect the clearly-labelled wires.

True that! jeepers, I feel so easy all of a sudden...

To get back on topic. I saw something rather puzzling today: a guy rifing a gorgeous R1, with a lovely pillion (well, lovely from the rear anyway), and both with only shorts and jandals :eek5:

Now, wouldn't that hurt his toes to shift gears in jandals?

[jrandom]

... wouldn't that hurt his toes to shift gears in jandals?

Nah, you just use the toe strap part to push up on the lever.

[vifferman]

Ack Shirley, yes, it does hurt. (I have lots of experience riding in jandals. Even wrote off my first bike wearing a nice brown'n'cream pair).
But being an R1, he could just leave it in first gear anyway.

[roy.nz]

No, I'm not talking about limp-wristed people (I do know how to spell).
I'm talking about "Fuck All Gear, All The Time". Well... maybe only Most of the time, for all I know.
There's a guy who lives somewhere in or near Birkenhead, who I've spotted several times, riding a Triumph Rocket III. Each time he's been wearing the following:
An open-faced helmet.
A nylon "Fox" jacket or vest (the latter, I think, from memory).
Shorts.
Sports shoes.
Underwear and socks. (I guess).

Yeah it's his business, but it... just... sorta bothers me. :confused:
We're talking here about Serious Motorcycle Iron, ridden in a very casual way. It keeps niggling at me, in a way that someone dressed Eggs Zachary the same but riding a Dog 50 scooter wouldn't cause more than a slight "Tsk" or shake of the head.

Mate i know what you mean i cant get it, why do they risk it even more by riding like that. But i take it like this, they have been educated on all the different things that could happen to them plus more without the proper gear so i look at it like this i like my life and skin and they must just not care. I dress properly even for a ride to the shops (learn't the hard way) O yes and i've seen that guy before.
Peace out