This guy has a point - I think

[FROSTY]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=31619977&topic=1&L=1&C=1

To the motorcyclist i almost killed...
and for that matter, to any other motorcyclist that commutes to town in the morning. Spare a thought to the situation, if i am plodding along with my fellow road users at 20-30kph due to traffic, and i need to change lanes to ensure i can use the correct off-ramp, to have you suddenly appear at my drivers door at 90kph is somewhat alarming. Now i have been driving for many years and pride myself on being able to do so safely, i an aware of my surroundings and usually know of all the vehicles around me, but physyics would suggest that the speed you do versus the speed the rest of us are doing has you appearing at pace into a space that was until a split second ago, free. so listen up dickhead, if i end up wiping you out with my drivers door and forcing you into other cars , effectively maiming or perhaps even killing you, ITS GONNA RUIN MY DAY YOU COCK SO STOP DOING IT!!! oh yeah and it will probably ruin your day aswell. thanks for your attention.


From a cagers prospective I gettit
Might be worth thinking about when commuting.
This is the mindset you are dealing with
Theres more of them than there are of us

[jrandom]

Sounds like the rider in question just hadn't learned to play the game properly yet. Good filtering should happen without scaring the hell out of any car drivers.

Took me a few years to learn how to do that, mind you.

[Ixion]

Hm. Traffic at 20-30kph. And a rider SUDDENLY appears at his door doing 90kph? I doubt it.

But, y'know, if said car was signalling for 3 seconds before turning, the rider would either hold back (seeing the signal), or be well past long before the 3 seconds was up.

[riffer]

Nah, if he's anything like most cagers in Welly he pulls out without looking to try and get ahead. Besides he's got lots of negative feedback.

[Lilly2w]

eww, People who ride cars communicate on the intramanet? so... strange.

[jtzzr]

[QUOTE=jrandom;1824798]Sounds like the rider in question just hadn't learned to play the game properly yet. Good filtering should happen without scaring the hell out of any car drivers.

Good point , but did anyone notice how BITCHY those Trademe threads get?:bash::gob:

[MadDuck]

but did anyone notice how BITCHY those Trademe threads get?:bash::gob:

Not like the loving, sharing and caring threads on KB ah? :lol:

[_intense_]

So 20ks is good then?

From a legal point of view: the letter of the law states that you may ONLY pass a vehical on the left, IF, it is stationary. So hell, why not sneak along if the traffics at a stand still?

Oh.. relevant assuming that peopl are adhearing to the law :Pokey:

[98tls]

Read it and the only thing i can think to say is how sorry i feel for people that chose/have to ride a motorcycle in such an environment,how can it be enjoyable surrounded by cars and in order to get somewhere quicker squeezing in between em is the go.Still, if thats what it takes.

[pritch]

As I read it, the rider interrupted his slumber.

A former Senior Chief Traffic Officer of my aquaintance was fond of saying,
"Plan your journey."

Everyday I see people on our one-way system trying to turn right from the left lane (or vice versa) at the very last minute. Having driven right across town in the lane they happened to turn into, in a matter of a few feet they do a panic lane change.

Each day as I commute I watch drivers of the cars around me and very few give any indication that they are thinking about their driving.
If you don't count talking on the cell phone, talking to passengers, looking into shop windows, picking their nose, etc, as actually driving...

[Insanity_rules]

I think the guy sounds like a pissed off stress monkey who will probably do intentional damage to a biker it a fit of anger and regret it later. That crack about the biker being at his drivers door and him needing to change lanes on the right to exit an off ramp leads me to believe that he's more having a tanty about being passed in the traffic rather than being a concerned citizen.

If he can be as transparently full of shit as that then I hardly believe the 90K's speed check he's reporting. I regularly ride and drive to work on the Hutt motorway and it would be SUPER rare for me to be filtered past at that much more speed and I personally only filter 20ish ks faster than the traffic is moving.

What an ass clown, the only point he has is the one on the top of his head!

[pzkpfw]

I drive the car to work (with wife) every morning, on SH1 to Wellington. Have been doing it for YEARS.

Of the bikes that split past me:
1. Some indicate the wrong way (left instead of right).
2. Some go WAY faster than I do, on the occasion I do take the bike to work. (And I tend not to split on "george").
3. There's this smallish BMW (?) Motard or dual-purpose kind of thing, I think ridden by a woman, that always uses the left shoulder to ride past on. (Others do too, but this bike [that seems to avoid splitting, as such] has been doing it for years).
4. Most riders end up passing cars in the right lane, on the left of those cars (as well as on the right of the cars in the left lane.)
5. ...and some even do it all "properly".

...and for all that in all those years I've personally seen just one crashed bike and many crashed cars.

Not one of the bikes has touched my car or even slightly pissed me off. (Except that jealousy thing...)


I don't get all the fuss, really.

[marioc]

People actually read the trade me forums? sheesh

[vifferman]

Good filtering should happen without scaring the hell out of any car drivers.
I'd imagine having a Suzuki 150 and/or former rider thereof plastered across the boot lid would be kind of scary. Bet it woke the driver up though...

[NordieBoy]

People actually read the trade me forums? sheesh

TM has forums?

[nodrog]

TM has forums?

news to me too!

do they have bling as well?

[vifferman]

What are they trading on these forums? Stupidity?
Or is this where the "tard" part of TardMe really comes into its own?

[imdying]

3 times faster than the surrounding traffic? No sympathy for anyone that kills themselves in that manner. That's just Darwin in action, cagers not checking mirrors properly or not.

[Slyer]

I usually split at 40-50kph or less if it's not safe.
And only if the traffic is sub-20kph

Speeding is just really really stupid..

[FROSTY]

I thiink you guys are missing the point really. The guy concerned is ONE dude that piped up. Theres a lot of others that think that way.
I'm NOT saying they are right --just that you need to be aware of the mindset

[Insanity_rules]

I thiink you guys are missing the point really. The guy concerned is ONE dude that piped up. Theres a lot of others that think that way.
I'm NOT saying they are right --just that you need to be aware of the mindset

Give this man a cigar! The mindset seems to be why don't motorcyclists (us) wait their turn in the traffic. Even though the trade me poster had no credibility to me regarding the facts of the circumstance (see my earlier post) cagers do get pissed that we get to where we're going quicker and some get so steamed that they don't think of their own actions, try to stop us and end up causing accidents.

[Morcs]

Sounds like the rider in question just hadn't learned to play the game properly yet. Good filtering should happen without scaring the hell out of any car drivers.

Took me a few years to learn how to do that, mind you.

Scaring the shit out of them when they have suddenly turned, then put the indicator on as an afterthought is an art.

Ive driven my cage to work in the morning a few times. I make one lane change just after te atatu to ensure i am in the correct lane to get off at pt chev. I have no idea why cages dont plan like that and they all seem to change lanes for no reason - ''oooh look a gap im going to move into it in the hope that my 2 hour drive home is made 15 seconds quicker''

Anyway, they have no excuses not seeing me, when all they hear is:
brraaap braaap baaaaaaaaaaahp neeeeoowwww

[Kiwi Graham]

Someone splitting at 90k is going to freek out a near stationary cage driver. Yes cage drivers should plan ahead but they dont we all know that and should be prepared for it.

Like it or not a lot cage drivers do get pissed off sitting in traffic and will do what ever there little minds can think of to get ahead, even if it is to gain a measly couple of metres. When they see a biker 'making progress' it piss's them of even more, do it at 90k and they have a point!

[FROSTY]

ACTUALLY--funny you should mention that KG> I took Le van to hammyhole yesterday to pick up a couple of lil quads. On the way back on the motorway I was "racing" a Pooch 911.By racing I mean I sat in the "fast lane" at the traffics speed whilst mr/mss pooch franticly zipped from one side of the 3 laner to the other. By a heck of a coincidence it turned out we were going to the same offramp about 50km down the road. Yep the pooch beat me there.--Hmm by 2 carlenths.

[xwhatsit]

Give this man a cigar! The mindset seems to be why don't motorcyclists (us) wait their turn in the traffic. Even though the trade me poster had no credibility to me regarding the facts of the circumstance (see my earlier post) cagers do get pissed that we get to where we're going quicker and some get so steamed that they don't think of their own actions, try to stop us and end up causing accidents.
I dunno that he's [the car driver] that much of an idiot -- he may well be, but I see the occasional numbnuts on the Southern doing (what looks to me like) excessive speeds lanesplitting relative to the cars around him. 90kph vs 20-30kph is a massive speed difference, and although to many of us who try to split sensibly it sounds improbable, one does see this sort of lunacy from time to time.

There are car driving twats who probably get bitter and twisted about us rolling past them even at walking speed, but this guy sounds sort of genuine and I think he has a genuine complaint. Although we can't put ourselves in the biker's boots, he may have felt completely safe doing such a thing and already noticed the imminent lanechange a hundred metres back. Still, scaring car drivers is always considered harmful.

[Waxxa]

I've seen mbikes lanesplitting at ridiculous speeds and it will be inevitable that these riders will have cagers turn into them one day, sooner or later.

'splitting can be hazardous at the best of times and we bikers need to be patient. Were gonna get to where ever were going faster than a cage without being crazy about it, no doubt.

[alanzs]

It's fun ripping up on cars. Scaring the shit out of them is even better. :hug:

[MadDuck]

do they have bling as well?

Oh dear! Report back when you find out ah?

[FROSTY]

conversation must have got heated--threads gone
Pity really cos its nice to talk in a reasoned manner with cagers -

[toycollector10]

Don't lane split and speed past slow moving cagers! Go carefully and assess each car on its behaviour and what it might do or is capable of doing

The wife/son/daughter in the passenger seat might think it's a good time to bail out to get to school/work, the sale at Farmers. Wherever. Why would they check for traffic behind them? They don't live in your lane-splitting world.

Don't startle the cagers, road rage and injury ensues.

Don't be a smart-arse when you lane split.

As Jules Winnfield (Samuel L Jackson) says in Pulp Fiction, "Be cool, m*therfucker" It will get you further and in less time without injury. And Jules really was one cool mother so take your lead from him!

Ahhhh Jeezzz I'm a NANA :whocares:

Anyway, who wants to be the first one to the scene of the accident!

[MentalFacility]

where was it? what bike? what time?

[Slyer]

I'm yet to see anyone open their door on the motorway.
So I don't consider it a great threat...

[NordieBoy]

Anyway, who wants to be the first one to the scene of the accident!

Much better being 2nd...

[Nagash]

I'm yet to see anyone open their door on the motorway.
So I don't consider it a great threat...

Only has to happen once >_>

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I agree that the bloke has a point, the odd motorcyclist tends to lane split at a bit of pace, and I know this because i'm one of them and commute with alot of other riders doing the same speed or faster.

The average cager doesn't expect there to be a 'third lane' right between the middle of his lane and the one to his left/right. So doesn't look for it. A head check is somewhat useless in this situation because the bike will come up very quickly, and this is where the magic of using your mirrors comes in.. even your left mirror! See a single shining headlight between a row of cars, i'd say it's better to watch him for a few seconds and see how fast he's going.

But hell, I don't even have a car license and have never driven a car.. so I have no clue what their situational awareness is, just relying on good ol' fashioned logic here.

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But really, Ixion probably made point, case and end as early as post 3.

If the cager's indicating for 3 seconds, the biker should be able to look after himself if he isn't an idiot.

[Mom]

I'm yet to see anyone open their door on the motorway.
So I don't consider it a great threat...

Maha used to do a commute from Auckland to Warkworth on a Friday night. He rang me one evening, stopped on the Newmarket flyover. The car in front of him had the drivers and rear passengers door open and there was a chick taking a piss on the road between them right in front of him. Stranger things may never happen, but doors do get opened for all sorts of reasons :yes:

[Slyer]

Wow. That's impressive.

[Mikkel]

The true absurdity is that you can have off-ramps leading off to the right of NZ motorways. :scratch:

[Slyer]

http://maps.google.co.nz/?ie=UTF8&ll=-36.861199,174.756641&spn=0.001663,0.002414&z=19

[Morcs]

I'm yet to see anyone open their door on the motorway.
So I don't consider it a great threat...

I had one this morning.

Believe it.

door came 2/3 open before closing it.

[Mikkel]

http://maps.google.co.nz/?ie=UTF8&ll=-36.861199,174.756641&spn=0.001663,0.002414&z=19

My former post may have been ambiguous. However, I did neither imply that there was no such thing in NZ nor did I mean to suggest that any of the posters had gotten left confused with right.

I merely mused at the absurdity of referring such constructions as motorways, that's all.

As a matter of fact we have an on-ramp merging from the right-hand side on the Northern "Motorway" leading out of Christchurch. To be diplomatic I'll call it an interesting solution.

[Marmoot]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.aspx?id=31619977&topic=1&L=1&C=1

if i am plodding along with my fellow road users at 20-30kph due to traffic, and i need to change lanes to ensure i can use the correct off-ramp, to have you suddenly appear at my drivers door at 90kph...

that's a nice speed measurement skill there. Where can I learn it?

[FROSTY]

that's a nice speed measurement skill there. Where can I learn it?
I did think the same thing. -the guy must have a radar maybee??