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[sAsLEX]

Why has the gap increased so much between 91 and the other petrol?

1.43 ish for 91

1.57 Ultimate

1.99 Gulls version of Ultimate.

Discuss.

[slofox]

Why has the gap increased so much between 91 and the other petrol?

1.99 Gulls version of Ultimate.

Discuss.

You sure about that? Don't think at my Gull station it's not......will check when I get home to give you an exact price........

Gull 98 price was 1.60-ish on 13 november and has dropped more since.....

[Gremlin]

Saw prices for Shell today,

91 is 143.9
95 is 148.9

1.99 is a rip off...

Are you shopping for gas in Paratai Drive? ;)

[MIXONE]

98 is always about 10c a lt dearer than 91 where ever I shop.Well worth the difference for us that ride and drive old shitters.

[Donor]

I loves what Google can tell (http://www.pricewatch.co.nz/) me...

[klyong82]

Why has the gap increased so much between 91 and the other petrol?

1.43 ish for 91

1.57 Ultimate

1.99 Gulls version of Ultimate.

Discuss.

Because BP Ultimate is 98 octane and have always been 14 cents more than 91 octane. 95 octane tends to be 5 cent more than 91. I think Mobil synergy 8000 (98) Is 11 cents more than 91 octane. I use BP Ultimate because my bike runs sluggish on other fuel and it only cost $2 more everytime I fill up.

I think the Gull price you put is not right I think it is $1.50+ when I saw it in the weekend and that has that 10% ethanol blend in it.

[slofox]

Because BP Ultimate is 98 octane and have always been 14 cents more than 91 octane. 95 octane tends to be 5 cent more than 91. I think Mobil synergy 8000 (98) Is 11 cents more than 91 octane. I use BP Ultimate because my bike runs sluggish on other fuel and it only cost $2 more everytime I fill up.

I think the Gull price you put is not right I think it is $1.50+ when I saw it in the weekend and that has that 10% ethanol blend in it.

Filled with Gull Force 10 (98) on 23rd Nov....paid 1.54.9c/l. Price has dropped again since.

[discotex]

Simple, don't buy 98. It's a rip anyway. I get better economy out of 95 especially Shell since v-power arrived. I used to prefer Gull till they added warranty voiding ethanol because it was always 1-2c cheaper.

Anti-knock systems on modern bikes will retard the timing so will give you worse economy if you're running too low octane so it's pretty easy to check.

In other words for most engines 98 is a crock of shite. Unless it's giving you better economy (therefore power per litre) it's a waste.

Of course if you don't have knock sensors you should probably play it safe.

[sAsLEX]

You sure about that? Don't think at my Gull station it's not......will check when I get home to give you an exact price........

Gull 98 price was 1.60-ish on 13 november and has dropped more since.....
Was in Tairua over the weekend, so yes inflated but it was a large % more than the 91.


Simple, don't buy 98. It's a rip anyway. I get better economy out of 95 especially Shell since v-power arrived. I used to prefer Gull till they added warranty voiding ethanol because it was always 1-2c cheaper.

Anti-knock systems on modern bikes will retard the timing so will give you worse economy if you're running too low octane so it's pretty easy to check.

In other words for most engines 98 is a crock of shite. Unless it's giving you better economy (therefore power per litre) it's a waste.

Of course if you don't have knock sensors you should probably play it safe.

Yes I agree with the above.

I am not a criminal, so Mobil does not get my service, and BP is the only other Petrol station that works on my commute.

13-07-08 24,466.0 ULT98 11.20 2.329 26.08 183.0 19.1 5.2
13-07-08 24,649.0 ULT98 9.60 2.329 22.36 142.0 11.6 8.6


On the 98 thing, above is two consecutive fills that showed both my best litres per 100 and my worst? (in bold)

[discotex]

I am not a criminal, so Mobil does not get my service

Ditto - sick of prepay. My local Shell doesn't bother so they get as much of my business as possible.

I could bear filling up at the Mobil next to work when they had EFTPOS at the pump but since the wankers turned it off I haven't filled a car or bike at a Mobil. Don't plan to any time soon either.

Shell and Gull always lead price drops so they get my $$ if at all possible. Can't use Gull because of the ethanol tho.

[sAsLEX]

Can't use Gull because of the ethanol tho.

Check your manual. I can.

[Gremlin]

Was in Tairua over the weekend, so yes inflated but it was a large % more than the 91.
Tairua has gas again? Didn't know that

Shell and Gull always lead price drops so they get my $$ if at all possible. Can't use Gull because of the ethanol tho.
Double check yourself, we used to have BP fuel cards, after they pissed us around, we swore not to use them again if possible. Most of my fills since have been Shell, until I caught them being consistently 1c more expensive than the Caltex less than 1km away.

Another Shell near home has forecourt attendants, and I will fill there even if they are 1c more expensive... I like supporting the old fashioned service, even if I don't use it.

[Lucy]

Bummer about the prepay not being available at Mobil anymore. I always used them on the bike. Now I don't bother looking for them. I was shocked at the price of BP ultimate last time I called in there, so on my last trip I was at another one, it might have been Mobil again actually, and the pump said: warning: this fuel contains ethanol ( i think) ask attendant if you are not sure your vehicle can handle it. Of course the elderly Maori lady on the counter had as much idea as I did, so I filled up with 91.

[slofox]

Check your manual. I can.

Me too - and I always use it. Experiences with ethanol in previous lifetimes were always positive.......

[disenfranchised]

Ditto - sick of prepay. My local Shell doesn't bother so they get as much of my business as possible.

I could bear filling up at the Mobil next to work when they had EFTPOS at the pump but since the wankers turned it off I haven't filled a car or bike at a Mobil. Don't plan to any time soon either.

Shell and Gull always lead price drops so they get my $$ if at all possible. Can't use Gull because of the ethanol tho.

I use my local Mobil cause it's just round the corner from home.
They're always 1c cheaper than every other Mobil (and most other stations) for some reason.

As for the prepay...I just wave my arm (or go in and ask if they're busy) and they unlock the pump for me...
And I don't think it's cause they recognise me...cause I seem to always see different staff

[The Stranger]

Ditto - sick of prepay. My local Shell doesn't bother so they get as much of my business as possible.

I could bear filling up at the Mobil next to work when they had EFTPOS at the pump but since the wankers turned it off I haven't filled a car or bike at a Mobil. Don't plan to any time soon either.


+1 on the mobil pre pay.
I wonder if mobil realise how many people avoid them thanks to their company policy.

[Starky307]

I try and use the Pack and Slave petrol forecourt purely so i don't have to remove my helmet, I don't get to worried about the price when it is something i do for enjoyment.

[slofox]

Filled with Force 10 at Gull this morning. Paid 1.49.9c/l.....

[vifferman]

Discuss.
This isn't school, you know. :Pokey:
You can't just go, "Blah blah blah. Discuss."

The answer is: profitability (or price gouging, depending).
The keep the price on 91 lowish, but claw back a few shekels on the other fuels.

[buellbabe]

Because BP Ultimate is 98 octane and have always been 14 cents more than 91 octane. 95 octane tends to be 5 cent more than 91. I think Mobil synergy 8000 (98) Is 11 cents more than 91 octane. I use BP Ultimate because my bike runs sluggish on other fuel and it only cost $2 more everytime I fill up.

I think the Gull price you put is not right I think it is $1.50+ when I saw it in the weekend and that has that 10% ethanol blend in it.

Yep ditto to all that...however I think it is a tad pricier at Tairua...

Personally I don't give rats what the price at the pump is between the different octanes. The bike gets the HIGHEST octane possible no matter what...

The car? well sorry Subby but you're on the cheap stuff LOL.

[vifferman]

Simple, don't buy 98. It's a rip anyway.
If your bike will run 91, you get more power from it anyway.


Anti-knock systems on modern bikes will retard the timing so will give you worse economy if you're running too low octane so it's pretty easy to check.
Of course if you don't have knock sensors you should probably play it safe.
Most modern bikes don't have knock sensors, and don't have particularly good airflow sensors either, but that's another story. "Snow White and the Seven Swarfs", I think.) I think it's because they rev too high, so the knock sensor would struggle.

[Cajun]

i noticed my bike was bit gutless and also drank more when i ran bp 98 ulimte at a bp which only solt 98 and not 95/96 rip of bastards.

[discotex]

Check your manual. I can.

From memory my manual says it will run ok but may void warranty over 5% (Gull has 10%). I called Bluewing and the confirmed that is the case. They did say Honda will probably change their mind once all fuel has an ethanol component.



As for the prepay...I just wave my arm (or go in and ask if they're busy) and they unlock the pump for me...
And I don't think it's cause they recognise me...cause I seem to always see different staff

Some Mobil's seem to be ok. Others aren't. I can't be bothered working out which :)


If your bike will run 91, you get more power from it anyway.

Yep, funny how people assume more octane is more power.



Most modern bikes don't have knock sensors, and don't have particularly good airflow sensors either, but that's another story. "Snow White and the Seven Swarfs", I think.) I think it's because they rev too high, so the knock sensor would struggle.

Interesting. I guess my bike is special :)

[vifferman]

Interesting. I guess my bike is special :)
Umm... you did read my signature lines, right? :confused:
I generally either make stuff up, or extrapolate (wildly) from the few facts I do have. I have no idea how many injected bikes have or don't have knock sensors.
I know that despite have 23,762 sensors, my EFI bike doesn't have a knock sensor or airflow sensor, but maybe that's because it's a V4, and that fucks things up.
I'll extrapolate from that....hmmm... it's a V4, so a knock sensor would get confused and take the normal V4 'character' as knocking.:crazy:

Ack Shirley, it was knocking sometimes when hot, until I disabled the oxygen sensors and dialled in some more fuel at low revs.

[discotex]

Umm... you did read my signature lines, right? :confused:
I generally either make stuff up, or extrapolate (wildly) from the few facts I do have.

But it's on the internets so it must be true :msn-wink:

[vifferman]

But it's on the internets so it must be true :msn-wink:
Only if you quote and annotate it appropriately:.
"Most motorbikes don't have knock sensors".
- SpaghettiMan, Kiwibiker, The Interdweeb, the other day, in some post or other about petrol or something.