Horsepower and Wangas...

[slowpoke]

...or "Why TV is bad for you!"

Ok, so I'd pretty much decided I was only going to do the Manfeild leg of the Tri-Series as I wasn't too confident about Wanganui and I hate the nadgery short circuit at Taupo.

Then I made the mistake of watching TV the other week and they showed a couple of incredibly inspirational disabled people that simply refused to back down from a challenge. If you fall down you just get up and have another go, right? In short I felt like a total fuggin' pussy. A quick chat to my better half later (she confirmed my initial self assessment) and I'm on the phone to Leighton at Cemetery Circuit who had room in the Superbike field to accept a late entry, good bugger that he is.

So, as a complete Wanga's noob, and on a Superbike, I'm just wondering how you experienced fast fuckers handle that joint if you've got a bit of horsepower at your disposal.

Given the short circuit and relatively low top speed do you gear your bike right down for the full "bull in a china shop" experience? Do leave it with something like Manfeild gearing and just surf the torque, pretending it's a 4 speed 'box?

I've read a few race reports but there's precious little from anybody on a big bike. As tricky as riding say an SV is around there I'm thinkin' a big bike is gonna present a whole different set of problems and any words of wisdom would be appreciated.

[Tony.OK]

Was thinkn the same thing Spud, just put my bike back together with its new gadgetry in the front and new rubber, took it out for a wee spin to test, my current gearing at lower speeds makes it a bit of a wheelie monster which might not be so flash when gutters and lamp posts are part of the track.

Am thinking after that ride about putting my smaller rear sprocket on which in turn will extend the wheelbase, and hopefully make it a tad less prone to lifting the front. 1st and 2nd gear will probably do the whole track:crazy:

[Shaun]

...or "Why TV is bad for you!"

Ok, so I'd pretty much decided I was only going to do the Manfeild leg of the Tri-Series as I wasn't too confident about Wanganui and I hate the nadgery short circuit at Taupo.

Then I made the mistake of watching TV the other week and they showed a couple of incredibly inspirational disabled people that simply refused to back down from a challenge. If you fall down you just get up and have another go, right? In short I felt like a total fuggin' pussy. A quick chat to my better half later (she confirmed my initial self assessment) and I'm on the phone to Leighton at Cemetery Circuit who had room in the Superbike field to accept a late entry, good bugger that he is.

So, as a complete Wanga's noob, and on a Superbike, I'm just wondering how you experienced fast fuckers handle that joint if you've got a bit of horsepower at your disposal.

Given the short circuit and relatively low top speed do you gear your bike right down for the full "bull in a china shop" experience?

I've read a few race reports but there's precious little from anybody on a big bike. As tricky as riding say an SV is around there I'm thinkin' a big bike is gonna present a whole different set of problems and any words of wisdom would be appreciated.



Short shift, 2-4 gear changes only, "2strk
or 4strk "

" Go with the flow you have on the day" RELAX- It might not be today? but next year is another! We were all Virgins once:yawn:

Focus On Reference points that "Natuarally grab your attention" They are now your stop and go points to work/practise/reference/explore-Simple!

Could dribble more, but think this is enough from me, XGixxer may add?

[Shaun]

Was thinkn the same thing Spud, just put my bike back together with its new gadgetry in the front and new rubber, took it out for a wee spin to test, my current gearing at lower speeds makes it a bit of a wheelie monster which might not be so flash when gutters and lamp posts are part of the track.

Am thinking after that ride about putting my smaller rear sprocket on which in turn will extend the wheelbase, and hopefully make it a tad less prone to lifting the front. 1st and 2nd gear will probably do the whole track:crazy:




Keep thinking and trying and planning dude, you do say some good shit I think:beer:

[slowpoke]

Short shift, 2-4 gear changes only, "2strk
or 4strk "

So you'd still run fairly tall gearing (Manfeild rather than Puke) to minimise gear changes and give a reasonably broad speed range per gear?
" Go with the flow you have on the day" RELAX- It might not be today? but next year is another! We were all Virgins once:yawn:

Flow? With just a few laps to learn the joint the only stuff flowing is gonna be down my leg!

Focus On Reference points that "Natuarally grab your attention" They are now your stop and go points to work/practise/reference/explore-Simple!

Yup, I'll write a note to myself in huge letters for race day.

Could dribble more, but think this is enough from me, XGixxer may add?

Thanks mate.

Gawd, I was just imagining 160-180hp geared for just 180-200klicks....all you'd see is sky!

[roadracingoldfart]

Thanks mate.

Gawd, I was just imagining 160-180hp geared for just 180-200klicks....all you'd see is sky!


Whats wrong with looking at the sky ???
Short gearing at Wanganui is a bitch and great for running wide from the apex.
I think the TV interview with Craig and Andrew last year stated they were using up to 3rd only and that was only for a nanosecond.
I know my old 600 i only used to 4th for a very short time and the 400 i got half way through the rev range in 4th.

[Toast]

Short gearing at Wanganui is a bitch and great for running wide from the apex.

Can you explain all of the reasons why of that one, please dude?

[roadracingoldfart]

Can you explain all of the reasons why of that one, please dude?


Easy. Short gearing means powerband is reached at low response regions and that makes for a lite front end . All the road surface at Wanganui is cambered (like a hump) and a small amount of wheel lift off the approach hump means coming down on a negative camber at exit.
I dont have to explain the perils of that surely.
Most falls are due to front end loss, and the occasional highside (its was once ok , let it go ) .
There is only really one line at that circuit so if you run wide and have to get off the gas you will be passed and its crucial to keep a smooth lap to link the corners together on that circuit. Run off line and you cant achieve that .
But hey , ive only done Wanganui a few times .

I agree with Shaun :shit: lol We are all virgins there at some time and i started doing much better after my 3rd visit. The track is now so changed , its much faster and that means smoother is even more important as bad lines can be very unforgiving.

Paul.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Easy. Short gearing means powerband is reached at low response regions and that makes for a lite front end . All the road surface at Wanganui is cambered (like a hump) and a small amount of wheel lift off the approach hump means coming down on a negative camber at exit.
I dont have to explain the perils of that surely.
Most falls are due to front end loss, and the occasional highside (its was once ok , let it go ) .
There is only really one line at that circuit so if you run wide and have to get off the gas you will be passed and its crucial to keep a smooth lap to link the corners together on that circuit. Run off line and you cant achieve that .
But hey , ive only done Wanganui a few times .

I agree with Shaun :shit: lol We are all virgins there at some time and i started doing much better after my 3rd visit. The track is now so changed , its much faster and that means smoother is even more important as bad lines can be very unforgiving.

Paul.

With 180hp at your wrist, the gearing isn't going to make sweet bugger all difference to the issue you have raised. Wether your at 5k or 10k those bikes will have more than enough power to do what you mention. It comes down to the pillock pulling the throttle at the end of the day

[scrivy]

Only 180 Hp?? Meh, childs stuff............:rolleyes:

[roadracingoldfart]

With 180hp at your wrist, the gearing isn't going to make sweet bugger all difference to the issue you have raised. Wether your at 5k or 10k those bikes will have more than enough power to do what you mention. It comes down to the pillock pulling the throttle at the end of the day



Wanganui is a unique track and as such i personally feel it is a smoother / taller gearing circuit. You can go out and try the point and sqirt between corners but a well set up bike will do better with a tame powerband. You can achieve that with gearing, unless you have a budget to have diff cams and carbs and all the paramaters you can adjust its a safe simple way to do it.

How many times did a Ducati 600 beat anything put up against it ?? it was smooth on the power as twins are and it was able to get out of corners way easier. I saw many laps with it against superbikes and they just couldnt get the power down due to the nature of the corners.
Hell even if im wrong it dosnt hurt to have another opinion does it. Its what was asked for by the original poster and it worked for me so its relivent.

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

Only 180 Hp?? Meh, childs stuff............:rolleyes:


Yer but you have a sack of spuds on board to compensate for so of course you need more power . Ohh yer and is it true Bob ate all the pies ?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Hell even if im wrong it dosnt hurt to have another opinion does it. Its what was asked for by the original poster and it worked for me so its relivent.

Paul.

It certainly doesn't. It would be a hellishly boring world if we didn't have differing opinions! :blank:

[wharfy]

This is going to be my first go at Wanganui any other good advice ?
Anybody got a good on-board video I can use as a training guide ?

[Kickaha]

Ohh yer and is it true Bob ate all the pies ?

He couldn't, that fat prick Scrivy beat him to it

[wbks]

Realistically, how much power are most liter race bikes putting out? 190hp?

[roadracingoldfart]

He couldn't, that fat prick Scrivy beat him to it

Ok ill get 2 trays of Big Bens delivered to the pits for them then. :yes:

[scrivy]

Yer but you have a sack of spuds on board to compensate for, so of course you need more power . Ohh yer and is it true Bob ate all the pies ?
Bob has been known to eat some pies - but he prefers steak usually. Followed by lots of his mate Ken - Heineken.:apint:

Oh, just for your info, those large spuds you're refering to in Bobs leathers aint spuds mate. Thats why he's NZ's best sidecar passenger!! :first:


He couldn't, that fat prick Scrivy beat him to it
Kick, now that we're racing the immensely powerfull BMW sidecar, I'm going on a diet so I can be as fit as possible to be able to control the monster...........
O.k., so I'm losing weight so that we get a better power to weight ratio so it doesn't strain the poor ol girl...... :innocent:

Anyway, what's the story with you calling me fat???? I'm 6 foot and 78 Kgs, you're 5 foot and 100+ what Kgs......... :shutup:


Ok ill get 2 trays of Big Bens delivered to the pits for them then. :yes:

You'd better, cause kick will do anything to emulate us. If he thinks we eat lots of pies to win, then he'll eat them by the tray full!!!:Punk:

[slowpoke]

Wanganui is a unique track and as such i personally feel it is a smoother / taller gearing circuit. You can go out and try the point and sqirt between corners but a well set up bike will do better with a tame powerband. You can achieve that with gearing, unless you have a budget to have diff cams and carbs and all the paramaters you can adjust its a safe simple way to do it.

How many times did a Ducati 600 beat anything put up against it ?? it was smooth on the power as twins are and it was able to get out of corners way easier. I saw many laps with it against superbikes and they just couldnt get the power down due to the nature of the corners.
Hell even if im wrong it dosnt hurt to have another opinion does it. Its what was asked for by the original poster and it worked for me so its relivent.

Paul.

You've been there and done it mate, so any info is appreciated. Different opinions and theory's are welcomed as different riders can pick and choose and ponder what sounds like it will work for them.


Realistically, how much power are most liter race bikes putting out? 190hp?

I reckon only the most highly developed bikes would have that sort grunt, at the rear wheel anyway. Your average GSXR with a pipe and power commander is about 165-ish where the tyre meets the tarmac, depending on the dyno.

[ArcherWC]

Im popping my cherry at Whanga's too, see yas down there

[roadracingoldfart]

You'd better, cause kick will do anything to emulate us. If he thinks we eat lots of pies to win, then he'll eat them by the tray full!!!:Punk:[/QUOTE]

I always thought the :wacko: competative nature was the strongest in the chair department , now i am starting to understand ,:eek5: ....

You all have pie eating envy !!! :yes:

Brilliant plan. :woohoo:

PS; Im 6 foot 2 inches as well but im more like 75 kgs

[JayRacer37]

Last year on the 600 we just left manfeild gearing on it, it was good....2nd everywhere plus a bit of 3rd through the cemetry. I woudn't rekon going low on the gearing on a superbike would be that nice. If you can have something that will pull 2nd most of the way, you can focus on having just the right amount of throttle to hover the front end, so your not constantly battling it as you throw it gears. It will also mean that it will be easy to pick a gear for everywhere early (probably 2nd) so you can spend the rest of your day learning the track without constantly worrying how many you have to shift up or down...KISS!

[scrivy]

You'd better, cause kick will do anything to emulate us. If he thinks we eat lots of pies to win, then he'll eat them by the tray full!!!:Punk:

You all have pie eating envy !!! :yes:

PS; Im 6 foot 2 inches as well but im more like 75 kgs[/QUOTE]

Kick keeps looking at Bob and has more like a penis envy going on....... :baby: Also, I think Kick has that extra 2 inches too....... :lol:

[Shaun]

A 50cc scooter HP will proballyscae th shite out of me around there this year haha, watch out the brown flow!

[Crasherfromwayback]

[QUOTE=slowpoke;1829941
Given the short circuit and relatively low top speed do you gear your bike right down for the full "bull in a china shop" experience? Do leave it with something like Manfeild gearing and just surf the torque, pretending it's a 4 speed 'box?

I've read a few race reports but there's precious little from anybody on a big bike. As tricky as riding say an SV is around there I'm thinkin' a big bike is gonna present a whole different set of problems and any words of wisdom would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Mate you're a brave man riding a Superbike round there! If it were me...I'd pull one the plug leads off the fucker!:scooter:

[scrivy]

Mate you're a brave man riding a Superbike round there! If it were me...I'd pull one the plug leads off the fucker!:scooter:

Meh...... Girls stuff............ (Ask Kiwifruit.....)

Try a 200(+++++) Hp, 280 Kg sidecar around there with a passenger that's more interested in looking at the poon around the track than which way the track is going......
I'm friggin doomed I tell ya........
:kick::thud:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Meh...... Girls stuff............ (Ask Kiwifruit.....)

Try a 200(+++++) Hp, 280 Kg sidecar around there with a passenger that's more interested in looking at the poon around the track than which way the track is going......
I'm friggin doomed I tell ya........
:kick::thud:

Fuck off mate! The first and last time I got on a chair (a TZ700 with Gary Wright at Manfeild), I got turfed 20ft in the air and smashed my collar bone to bits. I can (and do) hurt myself badly enough with two wheels!

[scrivy]

Fuck off mate! The first and last time I got on a chair (a TZ700 with Gary Wright at Manfeild), I got turfed 20ft in the air and smashed my collar bone to bits. I can (and do) hurt myself badly enough with two wheels!

I understand some people beat themselves with no wheels........
(Kick told me once.....)

[slowpoke]

Mate you're a brave man riding a Superbike round there! If it were me...I'd pull one the plug leads off the fucker!:scooter:

Mate, I've got several strategies running around in my head and that one is definitely towards the top of the list. I'm thinking of installing a handlebar mounted plug lead switch for the ultimate in traction control.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mate, I've got several strategies running around in my head and that one is definitely towards the top of the list. I'm thinking of installing a handlebar mounted plug lead switch for the ultimate in traction control.

I betcha have!

Hard to believe it's nearly three years ago I nearly lost my foot racing there!

I may be back there for another crack next year!

Good luck mate!!

Pete:baby:

[slowpoke]

Mate, I've got several strategies running around in my head and that one is definitely towards the top of the list. I'm thinking of installing a handlebar mounted plug lead switch for the ultimate in traction control.

My favoured plan at the moment is to install a piece of knicker elastic as a throttle cable, I'm just tryin' to summon the courage to delve in the missus' undie drawer......(there's some weird shit in there that a man just should not see)

[scrivy]

I'm just tryin' to summon the courage to delve in the missus' undie drawer......(there's some weird shit in there that a man just should not see)

Sidecar Bob will help ya out there if ya need it.......:shifty:

[CHOPPA]

Im gonna run my puke, manfield and taupo gearing.....

[Kickaha]

Try a 200(+++++) Hp, 280 Kg sidecar around there with a passenger that's more interested in looking at the poon around the track than which way the track is going......
I'm friggin doomed I tell ya........
:kick::thud:

Be over half a ton with you two fat cunts on it


I can (and do) hurt myself badly enough with two wheels!

I was standing at the bridge when you did that, thanks for livening up the day

[Crasherfromwayback]

Be over half a ton with you two fat cunts on it



I was standing at the bridge when you did that, thanks for livening up the day

I'd say my pleasure mate...but it wasn't pleasurable at all. Hurt like fuck actually. Especially having to 'hop' into the ambulance with an ankle in 20 bits!:sick:

[scrivy]

having to 'hop' into the ambulance with an ankle in 20 bits!:sick:

er..... nothing in the entry form about that sort of pain.......
Time yet for me to cancel????:no:

[scrivy]

Be over half a ton with you two fat cunts on it


Dude, what part of 78 kgs dont you understand????? I guess you're used to hearing 178 kgs from yourself and also Divvo..........:wacko::wacko:

[Crasherfromwayback]

er..... nothing in the entry form about that sort of pain.......
Time yet for me to cancel????:no:

Hell yeah there was! Something about motorcycle racing being a dangerous sport!

Half the reason we love it innit?

[scrivy]

Hell yeah there was! Something about motorcycle racing being a dangerous sport!

Half the reason we love it innit?

I thought being 'dangerous' was relating to the amount of money some people spend on it.......:whistle::pinch:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I thought being 'dangerous' was relating to the amount of money some people spend on it.......:whistle::pinch:

No...that's insanity.

[roadracingoldfart]

No...that's insanity.


Hell , Insanity is just a state of mind ....:confused: :mellow: i think , ummm whats my name ?


Ive always been a bastard , mum will back me up on that.:shit:

[wharfy]

Well I don't know anything about horsepower or gearing at Wanganui, but I do know that it is going to be FULL grids - One of the organizers phoned me to ask if I would mind moving out of F1 to make room for overseas riders ? "Sure, no problem" say I , now I'm in post classics :)

[roogazza]

Well I don't know anything about horsepower or gearing at Wanganui, but I do know that it is going to be FULL grids - One of the organizers phoned me to ask if I would mind moving out of F1 to make room for overseas riders ? "Sure, no problem" say I , now I'm in post classics :)

No pressure Wharfy, top five finish is on the cards with a Hornet in
Post Classic. If it rains you could win. Gaz. :Punk:

[scrivy]

Bring on the rain........ :devil2::niceone:

[svr]

Bring on the rain........ :devil2::niceone:

What sort of a sad, sick retarded excuse for a fun-loving motorcycle racer wants it to rain, fer chrisakes??!!!
You go slow, you crash, you get wet, but ooohhh, I maybe got 5th instead of 7th because more crashed oh oh.
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF & DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UUUUUUUUUU 'KEN :bash: CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHNSSSSSSSSSSS S!!!!
etc.

[Kickaha]

Bring on the rain........ :devil2::niceone:

Here's hoping, then a wet Nationals to top it off:yes:

[scrivy]

What sort of a sad, sick retarded excuse for a fun-loving motorcycle racer wants it to rain, fer chrisakes??!!!
You go slow, you crash, you get wet, but ooohhh, I maybe got 5th instead of 7th because more crashed oh oh.
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF & DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UUUUUUUUUU 'KEN :bash: CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHNSSSSSSSSSSS S!!!!
etc.

Nah, don't really want it to rain, but good for a laugh!! Remember, on a chair you have more than 9 lives in the wet (usually) - not like a solo. Fuck doing it in the wet on a solo!!! :no:
But you also mentioned sick and retarded - Yip, I'd just about sum up most of us chair freaks with that. :stupid: Can't argue with ya on that one cookie!! :niceone:

[scrivy]

Here's hoping, then a wet Nationals to top it off:yes:

Now, on the other hand, Kick wants it to rain, so that:
A: He doesn't have to exert too much effort,
B: It looks like he's going as fast as he does in the dry (eg. NOT FAST)....... :laugh:

[Toast]

Bring on the rain........ :devil2::niceone:

Rain on the race track...choice!

Rain on a street circuit...not so sure :confused: White lines and diesel n shit don't sound like fun.