The best F3 riders?

[wayne]

who's the best rider in the country not riding at the nationals ?

[Ivan]

who's the best rider in the country not riding at the nationals ?

me me me me me nah dunno

[roadracingoldfart]

#176 Neil Chappell.
Hes the man :eek::clap: and hes in my team

[scracha]

#176 Neil Chappell.
Hes the man :eek::clap: and hes in my team

Seconded. He's a cunt to get past :wari:

[roadracingoldfart]

Seconded. He's a cunt to get past :wari:

When did you ever do that ??? :shit: :shutup: lol Ohh yer he was spinning like a top out of the sweeper when you came around and he was hard to pass lol.

Your good to Steevie. :Punk:

Paul.

[MOTOXXX]

something tells me he's going to be faster next year....

[scracha]

When did you ever do that ??? :shit: :shutup: lol Ohh yer he was spinning like a top out of the sweeper when you came around and he was hard to pass lol.

Your good to Steevie. :Punk:

Paul.

Exactly :third:

I think young Chris Fry is pretty quick too.

[roadracingoldfart]

Exactly :third:

I think young Chris Fry is pretty quick too.

Yer Ya not wrong there mate.

I agree with Eamon (motoxxxx) too , Neil is going to be alot faster this year if all goes to plan .

But so is Steevie and Nicksta lol
Its going to be a good year for the team.

[Mishy]

Kris Sherriffs - by a country mile !

[Shaun]

Kris Sherriffs - by a country mile !


Very Very fast

[racefactory]

All of these riders on SV650's I'm presuming?

Do the NC30/ZXR/FZR/CBR 400cc riders have a fair shot at anything with those sv's in F3?

Thanks,

Todd.

[Cleve]

All of these riders on SV650's I'm presuming?

Do the NC30/ZXR/FZR/CBR 400cc riders have a fair shot at anything with those sv's in F3?

Thanks,

Todd.

Do you mean that guys on 20 year old bikes SHOULD be competitive against guys on 2-3 year old bikes??! Good on them if they are!

[racefactory]

Well I'm not sure you see. NC30's are damn good handling machines, 60hp.... getting a bit old now yes true. but the SV650 only has what.. 65hp and is bloody heavy right? don't know how modded up they are tho! Nc30's are hard to get power increases from. I'm interested to know.

Since they both race in F3 i figure they should be somewhat competitive with each other... But i don't know.

[Sully60]

Well I'm not sure you see. NC30's are damn good handling machines, 60hp.... getting a bit old now yes true. but the SV650 only has what.. 65hp and is bloody heavy right? don't know how modded up they are tho! Nc30's are hard to get power increases from. I'm interested to know.

Since they both race in F3 i figure they should be somewhat competitive with each other... But i don't know.

NC30's are dog slow.

I agree with Shaun and Mishy, I've raced him and he's a wily-fast bastard!

[racefactory]

NC30's are dog slow.



In comparison to what? A modded up SV650?

Compared to a road going Sv650 there's no much in it from what I rode. What do you guys do to the bikes in the way of motor.

So in F3 how many 400's are there to the SV's roughly? Just want to get a picture.

[Sully60]

In comparison to what? A modded up SV650?

Compared to a road going Sv650 there's no much in it from what I rode.

Try following a resonably well ridden pro twin spec SV out of the hairpin at Manfield and you'll see what I mean.

The road is not a place to compare the race attributes of motorcycles.

[svr]

Try following a resonably well ridden pro twin spec SV out of the hairpin at Manfield and you'll see what I mean.
.

People have short memories. No protwin currently racing would hold the zxr400s of Spargo or McMurdo of 16+ years ago out of that corner. Coming off there isn't about the bike anyway.

[Deano]

#176 Neil Chappell.
Hes the man :eek::clap: and hes in my team

Neil who ?

[Sully60]

People have short memories. No protwin currently racing would hold the zxr400s of Spargo or McMurdo of 16+ years ago out of that corner. Coming off there isn't about the bike anyway.

Yes ZXR400's or 450's like Mr Bolwells but not NC30's.

[roadracingoldfart]

Neil who ?

Look here you lardy assed bloody Lower Hutt bastard ! :whistle:


You know , the guy that actually listens to me and crashes a bit:yawn: , surely you remember him ;)
He may be alot closer this year matey ..... stop :crybaby: your a man now .

[racefactory]

Yes ZXR400's but not NC30's.

How is a NC30 different from ZXR400? same jap 60hp limits, same weights, NC30 with the wider torque of the V4...

they have the same performance figures...

just interested as to why you think that. anti honda?

[Sully60]

How is a NC30 different from ZXR400? same jap 60hp limits, same weights, NC30 with the wider torque of the V4...

they have the same performance figures...

just interested as to why you think that. anti honda?

Again you are reffering to the bikes in road going form, the NC30 is harder to get horsepower out of from that starting point.

The thread is about FORMULA 3 so therefore my earlier reference to Pro-Twin SV is also erroneous.

But my point is that the NC30 would probably not be the best F3 platform

I'm not anti Honda at all, I sold Honda parts for nearly five years and ridden many models including NC30's, they make a fantastic product and I'll say that even if it makes me sound ghey.

[Mishy]

How is a NC30 different from ZXR400? same jap 60hp limits, same weights, NC30 with the wider torque of the V4...

they have the same performance figures...

just interested as to why you think that. anti honda?

I owned and raced both of those bikes way back ('92,'93ish ?), and the Honda was kinda slow, and steered like a pig. The ZXR was not only faster in mostly stock trim, but sharper handling as well.
The Honda is just BIG money to get to go fast, and the ZXR was easily updated with a few goodies from an SP model :)
But that was then . . . . . . . . . . .

[roadracingoldfart]

I owned and raced both of those bikes way back ('92,'93ish ?), and the Honda was kinda slow, and steered like a pig. The ZXR was not only faster in mostly stock trim, but sharper handling as well.
The Honda is just BIG money to get to go fast, and the ZXR was easily updated with a few goodies from an SP model :)
But that was then . . . . . . . . . . .


Or just buy an SP model from the start !!!

Mind you the NC 23 CBR 400 is a much better bike :msn-wink:

[CHET]

Personally i like the zxr400 but im probably a bit biased since i have one, but i must say you gotta love the single sided swingarm of the nc30 .:clap:

[svr]

Yes ZXR400's or 450's like Mr Bolwells but not NC30's.

Thanks for the lesson. The Roberts brothers had nc30's that were as fast as Mcmurdo's zxr400 i.e. faster than all but a couple of sv's around at the moment. Big $$$ sure, but really you need a wider frame of reference than just looking at what's going around today.

[lostinflyz]

just my two cents but my nc30/35 thingy will take a stock SV easy but not the hotted up ones. they are a prick to work on and you've gotta be mad keen but they could be made in to rocket ships.

http://mngforce.typepad.com/nc450vdev/nc450v-gen51.html

now all we need is lots of money, time and patience. to go fast on a old 400 the zxr's have been shown to be pretty easy things to work with and make some real snot.

[Wingnut]

just my two cents but my nc30/35 thingy will take a stock SV easy but not the hotted up ones. they are a prick to work on and you've gotta be mad keen but they could be made in to rocket ships.

http://mngforce.typepad.com/nc450vdev/nc450v-gen51.html

now all we need is lots of money, time and patience. to go fast on a old 400 the zxr's have been shown to be pretty easy things to work with and make some real snot.


How much do people really spend in this class?? That link show specs on build a $10G motor. Is it likely that people out there in NZ are spending that kinda cash on a motor for a F3 bike?

Was Andy Bolwell running a 450 when he raced in the F3???

[WarrenW]

The 80+ Hp figure mentioned there is about what a 450cc ZXR400 will do too. BUT they become very unreliable. Just ask Andy what a pig that bike of his wasn to get running right and how long it lasted.

As with any motorsport if you have the big bucks you can do almost anything to the motors and rebuild, rebuild, rebuild at will if it blows.

I know of one very fast 100cc bucket racer that was rebuilt 3 times at one meeting!

By the way one of the best riders I have seen in a long time is Chet on a standard 400 ZXR, if he had the money, he would be there and giving a lot of the "top" guys a run as he certainly has the talent. And at the moment the bike is setup pretty good too (I had to say that as I gave him a hand to do it! LOL).

Cheers

[lostinflyz]

well you can spend what you like really. the thing to remeber is there is always two ways to build a motor. it is easy to make alot of power (to a point) from a standard motor. but it will go bang alot. the other is to really start making a new motor. thats why that nc30 motor is expensive. they have custom cranks, conrods, pistons, cams and all sorts through it. but they seem to get reasonable life out of them. and they diagnose the problems that do occur and fix them rather than lifetiming them.

id be interested to know what the guys running the 400's in the UK at the isle and the like spend cause they are pulling low 70's outta 400's, not 450's.

[roadracingoldfart]

A guy i know off in Aussie racing in the 400 cup class has a Greame France CBR400RR with a reliable 90 R/W HP. :shit::blink:
It seems to be a matter of , you bring the money and ill build you a winner.
Thats for a 400 by the way , not a 450.
And i wonder why my 400 only has 59 HP. :bye:

[scracha]

A guy i know off in Aussie racing in the 400 cup class has a Greame France CBR400RR with a reliable 90 R/W HP. :shit::blink:
It seems to be a matter of , you bring the money and ill build you a winner.
Thats for a 400 by the way , not a 450.
And i wonder why my 400 only has 59 HP. :bye:
Stock CBR puts out about 55 ponies so you can't complain.

If the motogp 800's put out 250bhp then surely the jap factories could make a 400 put out a reliable 90bhp? I'm thinking 20,000 RPM around the coro loop :shit:

Oh...umm...if he's putting out 90R/W then I can't imagine his bike complying with the Formula 400 rules.

[driftn]

:Oi::Oi:You are all getting away from the point.

This thread is THE BEST F3 RIDERS. not F3 bikes.

best F3 racer in my opinion would have to be 180 Dean Bentley

Cause he doesn't cheat like a fair few of them fellas do.

[roadracingoldfart]

[QUOTE=driftn;1842095]
180 Dean Bentley



Who ??? Is he new ?? :dodge: Never heard of him.

[driftn]

[QUOTE=driftn;1842095]
180 Dean Bentley



Who ??? Is he new ?? :dodge: Never heard of him.


Motomart PostClassics Junior

16/06/2007 21/07/2007 18/08/2007 22/09/2007 13/10/2007
Pos No. Name Total R1 R2 R3 Total R1 R2 R3 Total R1 R2 R3 Total R1 R2 R3 Total R1 R2 Total
1 76 Chris Sales 308 16 25 25 66 25 25 20 70 25 22 x 47 25 25 25 75 25 25 50
2 180 Dean Bentley 265 22 22 22 66 22 20 18 60 22 25 x 47 15 15 18 48 22 22 44
3 170 Paul Martindale 222 18 18 18 54 18 18 15 51 18 20 x 38 16 16 16 48 13 18 31
4 35 Paul Brown 164 14 14 16 44 12 14 14 40 16 0 x 16 20 22 22 64 x x x
5 12 Jarrod Wintle 149 25 20 20 65 20 22 22 64 20 x x 20 0 x x 0 x x x
6 83 Eamon Timms 139 0 x x 0 15 12 13 40 14 16 x 30 14 13 15 42 12 15 27
7 196 Braden Tate 125 x x x x x x x x 13 14 x 27 22 18 20 60 18 20 38
8 40 Bruce Sutton 122 13 11 13 37 14 11 12 37 12 15 x 27 x x x x 10 11 21
9 131 John Carter 107 15 16 15 46 x x x x 15 18 x 33 x x x x 15 13 28
10 19. Gavin McKay 98 20 x x 20 x x x x x x x x 18 20 14 52 14 12 26
11 97 Peter Ivanoff 86 4 5 8 17 9 6 7 22 6 0 x 6 11 11 12 34 7 x 7
12 105 Phil Chandler 80 8 8 0 16 8 8 8 24 7 10 x 17 0 10 0 10 5 8 13
13 42 Peter Ellis 73 12 10 11 33 0 x x 0 9 13 x 22 0 x x 0 8 10 18
14 117 Brandon Edgar 72 11 13 14 38 x x x x x x x x 13 12 x 25 9 x 9
15 18 Barry New 66 10 12 x 22 13 15 16 44 0 x x 0 x x x x x x x
16 135 Warren Marsh 57 x x x x 16 16 25 57 x x x x x x x x x x x
17 44g Robert Grover 51 3 7 10 20 10 10 11 31 x x x x 0 x x 0 x x x
18 144. Abby Mes 44 x x x x x x x x x x x x 10 9 10 29 6 9 15
19 141 Bill James 44 6 6 7 19 6 9 10 25 x x x x x x x x x x x
20 64 Tim Baker 39 0 15 0 15 11 13 0 24 0 x x 0 x x x x x x x
21 64b John Baker 39 x x x x x x x x x x x x 12 14 13 39 x x x
22 277 Lyndon Perry 36 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x 20 16 36
23 176 Neil Chappell 36 x x x x x x x x 11 0 x 11 x x x x 11 14 25
24 63 Paul Billington 30 9 9 12 30 0 x x 0 x x x x x x x x x x x
25 201 Shawn Edge 29 7 3 0 10 x x x x 8 11 x 19 0 x x 0 x x x
26 96 Johnathon Wagener 23 x x x x 7 7 9 23 x x x x x x x x x x x
27 44o John Ooink 23 2 1 6 9 4 4 6 14 x x x x x x x x x x x
28 64h John Humphrey 22 x x x x x x x x 10 12 x 22 x x x x x x x
29 102 Keith Chandler 18 5 4 9 18 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
30 64r Matt Rennie 16 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x 16 0 16
31 99k Nicholas Keenan 15 0 x x 0 5 5 5 15 x x x x x x x x x x x
32 12 Mike Cudby 11 x x x x x x x x x x x x 0 x 11 11 x x x
33 99 Geoff Long 8 1 2 5 8 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
34 381 Jimmy Weafer 4 0 0 4 4 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
35 111 Ray Hayward 0 0 0 x 0 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
36 75 Dave Cole 0 x x x x x x x x x x x x 0 x x 0 x x x
EPIC FAIL
:laugh::clap::banana::lol::yes:

[roogazza]

Thanks for the lesson. The Roberts brothers had nc30's that were as fast as Mcmurdo's zxr400 i.e. faster than all but a couple of sv's around at the moment.
* but really you need a wider frame of reference than just looking at what's going around today.
That last sentence says it all svr ! depends who's there !!!!!! Gaz.

[scracha]

:laugh::clap::banana::lol::yes:

Ain't ya never heard of tables...sheesh.


I thought Dean rides in pro twins?

Anyway...the best F3 bike is far more interesting.

[worm13]

Hmm well I thought Matt Rennie this year was well and truely on the pace in the wet for F3 I belive he set the fastest lap in 1 of the races at round 3 so id say he would be up there (I wished I could say myself lol)
To be honest about the bike id have to say from what ive raced and riden the ZXR is a better choice over the NC30 but over in oz the RVF400 looks like the bike to be on and then followed by the FZR however to bikes we dont see much of at the track in NZ.
The reason for why I say the ZXR is a better choice is inital setup cost which has you on the pace before to much development work has to be done.
Better front end up side downs are the best choice... hello look at most f3 SV's, Then followed by the fact that your running on 17's front and rear opens up a better choice of tyres being slicks and wets.
Power seems to found with out to many Huge Ridiculous Cost aka HRC parts.
By no means am I a Honda basher when I looked at getting back to racing I looked long and hard at both the NC30 and ZXR, the ZXR just seemed to be the better package to work with.

[eelracing]

A well ridden proddy 250 two stroke would eat the lot of ya overweight tarts.And dont even get me started about those handbag SV's :headbang:

[roadracingoldfart]

A well ridden proddy 250 two stroke would eat the lot of ya overweight tarts.And dont even get me started about those handbag SV's :headbang:

Yer mate Drew can vouch to that ....... ohh no he cant :crybaby::scooter:

[roadracingoldfart]

I think there are a bunch of guys and girls out there that are fast on thier day.
Matt Rennie and Braden Tate and Chris Fry are fast for sure but they are also new to the game and will develop further as can be seen from thier progress so far.
As the skill level raises the closer they will become and with the likes of Nicksta's ability to go fast in the rain etc the level of that skill is just in need of a fine hone to make all the diferance.
Gavin McKay was a very fast consistant runner a few years ago but a garage fire that totalled his entire bike collection saw that progress stopped. He was on line to do very well.

I call on any experianced riders to mentor someone as i have this previous 2 years and give the knowledge back to the sport. Its just a matter of helping with fine tuning and a bit of guidance to help the next generation of rider. Any riders wanting help get hold of me and ill try to find someone to help out where possible. Anyone wanting to help out get hold of me as well and maybe , just maybe we can make an impact to a sport we all love and want to see develop.

Cheers Paul.

[Deano]

I thought Dean rides in pro twins?



Not at Wangas or Paeroa bro.

[svr]

I think there are a bunch of guys and girls out there that are fast on thier day.
Matt Rennie and Braden Tate and Chris Fry are fast for sure but they are also new to the game and will develop further as can be seen from thier progress so far.

I call on any experianced riders to mentor someone as i have this previous 2 years and give the knowledge back to the sport. Its just a matter of helping with fine tuning and a bit of guidance to help the next generation of rider. Any riders wanting help get hold of me and ill try to find someone to help out where possible. Anyone wanting to help out get hold of me as well and maybe , just maybe we can make an impact to a sport we all love and want to see develop.

Cheers Paul.

Actually, one of the good things about NZ road racing is that older riders like being asked for advice - it's a flattering / respectful thing to do. It's also a free and painless way to learn.
Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.

[codgyoleracer]

Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.[/QUOTE]

I would tend to agree with that, the only exception that springs to mind was the Hiscock boys. In their early days Neville was quick straight out of the box - whilst Dave took longer to learn his trade - but was just as quick at the end.
Maybe old fart could comment - if i got that right , as i was a tender wee thing when all that was going on & maybe talking bollocks. :-)

[Deano]

i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.

Under that criteria, the fastest VMCC F3 racer would be Bryce Meads ?

[roogazza]

Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.

I would tend to agree with that, the only exception that springs to mind was the Hiscock boys. In their early days Neville was quick straight out of the box - whilst Dave took longer to learn his trade - but was just as quick at the end.
Maybe old fart could comment - if i got that right , as i was a tender wee thing when all that was going on & maybe talking bollocks. :-)[/QUOTE]
By old fart you mean me ?
Dave was the thinker and Nev the balls. Both fast in their own way, but Dave was better, well we always agreed he was.
Dave had a big off on a TR500 I think ? Broke a femur badly. But once he decided to be "the best", as he put it . He trained and planned and never looked back. Gaz

[roogazza]

Actually, one of the good things about NZ road racing is that older riders like being asked for advice - it's a flattering / respectful thing to do. It's also a free and painless way to learn.
Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.

Agree again svr. If you are in that half to one second off the front guys or pole, you are competitive .
Further back and you are just there for the ride !
Well, thats the way we used to think. Gaz. :2thumbsup

[lostinflyz]

cant really apply that logic to f3. theres guys on really worked all sorts and bog stock other things and everything in between. its a fair comment when the playing field is all fair. maybe pro twins???

[feral1]

I think there is some talented riders. Williams, Woods, Fitzy, Easton, Nairn and co are the obvious fast ones, they train hard, build up the kit and are very good at what they do. But as far as battlers go on mainly lil'ol 400's I think a guy called Oran Mizarahni from the canterbury club (left back to Israel a year or two ago) was a very fast and SMOOTH rider. Glen Agate from Oamaru is very very smooth and quick on a 400 as well.

I haven't been racing for very long, but it surpises me how some people are just very very talented. My friend, Brendan Gare, rode my ZXR for a bit of fun last year at the Ruapuna endurance event (i was injured) and within 10 laps on my bike was laying down lap times i could only dream of. He kept this pace up for 58 minutes and creamed the feild... wicked

Eric

[svr]

Under that criteria, the fastest VMCC F3 racer would be Bryce Meads ?

Yeah, if mentioning names Bryce Meads and Sam Love are both going fast enough, soon enough.

[svr]

cant really apply that logic to f3. theres guys on really worked all sorts and bog stock other things and everything in between. its a fair comment when the playing field is all fair. maybe pro twins???

Nearly 20 yrs ago bog stock zxr400s used to do flat 16s at manfield (on yokohama 003s...). Who does that now?

[roadracingoldfart]

Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.

I would tend to agree with that, the only exception that springs to mind was the Hiscock boys. In their early days Neville was quick straight out of the box - whilst Dave took longer to learn his trade - but was just as quick at the end.
Maybe old fart could comment - if i got that right , as i was a tender wee thing when all that was going on & maybe talking bollocks. :-)[/QUOTE]

I do agree about the famous hizzy brothers lol. Another to spring to mind was Crafer kicking a certain Super Angel team mate 90 % of the time . It didnt matter in the end as Stroud is the great thinker he is and fast as well. Just like Freeth was .
fast wont always win a tritle but it may win a race , 3 yrs ago i won the P/C junior and i think my best place was 2nd but 3rds and 2nds got me the silverware.
The best apprentice to have in a trade is one that has never had a chance to develop bad habits , if you can get a newby into the groove and teach then it can be done. What age did some of the world champs start at ??? not all young.

[roadracingoldfart]

Nearly 20 yrs ago bog stock zxr400s used to do flat 16s at manfield (on yokohama 003s...). Who does that now?

I used to do 1m 17s on an NS 400 R in the late 80s but thats when the track was in good nick , whats your point ??
I did 1m 22s on a CB400/4 and a half so there cant be a comparasin at Manfield now days.

[driftn]

Ain't ya never heard of tables...sheesh.


No. Im not much of a computer geek.

But if I were in this class I would make one hell of an F3 racer:no:.

[Rob Taylor]

No. Im not much of a computer geek.

But if I were in this class I would make one hell of an F3 racer:no:.

Now there is an idea,Huh driftn:whistle:Good class to get a title in;)

[racefactory]

Right I see yes the ZXR would probably be the better choice. However are they that reliable? I hear bad things about head gaskets in those... Anyone racing here with a ZXR how has reliability been?


Nothing is as bomb proof as the nc30 Honda V4!

What are the top F3 riders doing around Pukekohe on NC30s/ZXR/FZR? I'd be really interested to know! Cheers...

[lostinflyz]

Right I see yes the ZXR would probably be the better choice. However are they that reliable? I hear bad things about head gaskets in those... Anyone racing here with a ZXR how has reliability been?


Nothing is as bomb proof as the nc30 Honda V4!

What are the top F3 riders doing around Pukekohe on NC30s/ZXR/FZR? I'd be really interested to know! Cheers...

tune up any 20ish year odl 400 and shell be unreliable - unless u spend the dosh. ive had about 4 people ask for vfr400 motors on here that blew them up racing.

check mylaps.com for laps times from last year for the times that f3 guys are doing round puke at nats. a reasonable rider on a 400 will be mid packish.

[Shaun]

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Having seen many riders over the years there is one constant in spotting talent - Fast riders are almost always fast from the start. Normally they crash a bit but the speed is there i.e. no more than a second off the pace on a 250 / F3 behind a proven national-level rider after say 6 months of racing.
Just a thought.[/quote]




Gixxer boy crashed his arse out and Did go fast:bleh: " I did moons before him" Sam Love:niceone: Sam Smith- Bla Bla Bugger eh, but true.

Each to there own I guess

[Chrislost]

who's the best rider in the country not riding at the nationals ?


Hmm well I thought Matt Rennie this year was well and truely on the pace.

Hell yes.

he smoked us all at every round, then highsided. in the last race of the season.

[CHET]

Matt Rennie Neil Chapple and myself if i raced in f3 but i only race in posties.
Sorry if this sounds big haeded but its what i think. People to watch in the future Nicksta Chris Fry and Andrew Mcdonald on the fast tzr 250:2thumbsup

[xr-rider]

#176 Neil Chappell.
Hes the man


i'd agree with you on that. nice guy he is to

[Deano]

Matt Rennie Neil Chapple and myself if i raced in f3 but i only race in posties.
Sorry if this sounds big haeded but its what i think. People to watch in the future Nicksta Chris Fry and Andrew Mcdonald on the fast tzr 250:2thumbsup

The challenge has been thrown.

See you at Wangas and Paeroa peeps !! :2guns:

[Ivan]

The challenge has been thrown.

See you at Wangas and Paeroa peeps !! :2guns:

Go hard Dean

[svr]

The challenge has been thrown.

See you at Wangas and Paeroa peeps !! :2guns:

Deano, according to this thread the only fast F3 riders ride 400s, do 20s ++ @ manfield and get about 12-15th in winter club races. SV's are cheating, or something.
So really you're not going to beat that sort of logic.

[lostinflyz]

all these fast 400 riders need come south. we have hardly any. but a couple of fast boys of 450's. and they're really nice guys too.

[Deano]

Deano, according to this thread the only fast F3 riders ride 400s, do 20s ++ @ manfield and get about 12-15th in winter club races. SV's are cheating, or something.
So really you're not going to beat that sort of logic.

But but but, I smoked most of em last year on an 89 CBR400RR as well. :laugh:

The SV has just made the margin bigger.

:jerry::jerry:

[Deano]

all these fast 400 riders need come south. we have hardly any. but a couple of fast boys of 450's. and they're really nice guys too.

Jones on his SV was pretty quick off the bat at Manfeild.

Seems like this thread is only about VMCC 400cc riders.....;)

[Chrislost]

Deano, according to this thread the only fast F3 riders ride 400s, do 20s ++ @ manfield and get about 12-15th in winter club races. SV's are cheating, or something.
So really you're not going to beat that sort of logic.

Owen Brunton Superlite
1. Glen Williams
2. Paul Buckley
3. Matt Rennie

[Deano]

Owen Brunton Superlite
1. Glen Williams
2. Paul Buckley
3. Matt Rennie

That's only the VMCC Winter Series bro. I'd say Bryce Meads was quicker than Matt but didn't do every round. Then again he is on a worked SV.......

I say let's take it to the streets. :woohoo:

[worm13]

[QUOTE=Deano;1846866]That's only the VMCC Winter Series bro. I'd say Bryce Meads was quicker than Matt but didn't do every round. Then again he is on a worked SV.......

Ahh yes but you have to be into win, thats nearly the same as Stroud would have won it if he was a 400.

To answer the issue on ZXR head gaskets, Huh? between me WarrenW we raced the same ZXR for just over 7 years thats including complete winter series for the 7 years, sharing the bike at a few rounds god knows how many test days and about that again with open days 3 rounds of nats including friday practice and have only blew the engine twice and both times head gasket was not at fault, there biggest issue is bending valves due to the collet ring becoming sloppy and clearances changing and i dont need to say anymore lol.
The bike was dynod at 62.8hp before air ram system was fitted and unsure of wat extra that has given plus mods to carbs to get cvs to open faster so it wasnt a standard setup.
you take em to 450 you might aswell sit on some timed C4 she will blow and you will never know when lol.

[scracha]

But but but, I smoked most of em last year on an 89 CBR400RR as well. :laugh:

The SV has just made the margin bigger.

:jerry::jerry:

89 did you say Deano? .....cough......

Street racing is more suited to the point and squit style of the gsxrsv650's :jerry:

[koba]

This is a great thread.

I think I will have to sort a wildcard entry next year on the standard roadgoing NC21, just to see.. dunno about the yokohama fancy tyres of back in the day tho, i will just have to use whatever I can get for my wee 16 incher!

As for the on-topic stuff, I'm not sure - I know Matt rennie, Chet and Deano are all quite damn fast.

Oh and YES NC30 = slow(er)
NC21 = SLOW (EST!)

[scracha]

tho, i will just have to use whatever I can get for my wee 16 incher!
)

Don't believe all the stories Str8Jacket tells ya.



No wonder she's always smiling.

[Deano]

Ahh yes but you have to be into win, thats nearly the same as Stroud would have won it if he was a 400.



Not quite the same thing - we are talking about the fastest, not the winningest.


89 did you say Deano? .....cough......


Ok, the forks were 91 or something or other. The preload made all the difference eh.......:rolleyes:

[scracha]

Ok, the forks were 91 or something or other. The preload made all the difference eh.......:rolleyes:

U cheatin barsteward. I heard about the magnesium wheels, 120 RON leaded fuel an supercharger as well. I'd have made an official complaint 'cept I was Clubmans. Everyone else plays by the rules :whistle:

[codgyoleracer]

A guy i know off in Aussie racing in the 400 cup class has a Greame France CBR400RR with a reliable 90 R/W HP. :shit::blink:
It seems to be a matter of , you bring the money and ill build you a winner.
Thats for a 400 by the way , not a 450.
And i wonder why my 400 only has 59 HP. :bye:

Thats a pretty big number, have heard of similar from the pommie SV's + a little more. But not very robust (I.E two meetings........ ouch!)
Glen

[FROSTY]

robust shmobust--doncha know you need 5 engines for the nationals ?

[GSVR]

Thats a pretty big number, have heard of similar from the pommie SV's + a little more. But not very robust (I.E two meetings........ ouch!)
Glen

Should be able to get a reliable 117HP from an SV!

[codgyoleracer]

Should be able to get a reliable 117HP from an SV!

Yeah ?, last figure i was quoted was 125............. How doooo these rumours start ?. Fastest four I've raced against was Andy Bolwells - & it dissapeared into the distance at a great rate of knots (+90hp from that beastie). Bill Van derHovens FZR was/is also very quick, as is Mr De Boers green meanie ZXR
Jason Eastons Tiggy - wins the hp versus weight war hands down and corner exit speed is the impressive result.
Not sure the ponies of Chris Osbournes triple now - but on the track the ram air effect & modern design certainly keeps it at the pointy end.
Glen

[Whitebait]

Neil Chappell gets half my vote.....Can I vote for myself????

He's fast....real fast! I can't comment on his riding style cause I only see him for a few seconds at the start of the race!

Nicksta gets my other half vote.....

She is smooth as butter on a bike....... Followed her for two days at the last meeting and didn't see many mistakes.

Our bikes are very evenly match so it comes down to the rider.

Racing against her for a whole weekend I did learn a lot even if she told Paul "He got too fast too quick"

Trying to compare the whole of F3 is like comparing WSB's to Moto GP.

How the fuck am I meant to keep up with the F3 front runners on a proody bike??

Thankfully there are still a few people flying the 2-STROKE flag for people that appreciate real race bikes rather than sport tourers....:sick:

[Ivan]

Neil Chappell gets half my vote.....Can I vote for myself????

He's fast....real fast! I can't comment on his riding style cause I only see him for a few seconds at the start of the race!

Nicksta gets my other half vote.....

She is smooth as butter on a bike....... Followed her for two days at the last meeting and didn't see many mistakes.

Our bikes are very evenly match so it comes down to the rider.

Racing against her for a whole weekend I did learn a lot even if she told Paul "He got too fast too quick"

Trying to compare the whole of F3 is like comparing WSB's to Moto GP.

How the fuck am I meant to keep up with the F3 front runners on a proody bike??

Thankfully there are still a few people flying the 2-STROKE flag for people that appreciate real race bikes rather than sport tourers....:sick:


Hey are you on the 555? bike?

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

Nearly 20 yrs ago bog stock zxr400s used to do flat 16s at manfield (on yokohama 003s...). Who does that now?

thats absolutley flying for a stock zxr400!! Stating the obvious that no-one is doing those times today.

Why do you think that is? is it differences in the track or exceptionally fast batch of riders?

Sure the bikes are now 20 years older but that doesnt really explain the large deviation in times. Today a 1.19 on a STOCK 400 would be a 'good' time, let alone on 1990's tyres.

[Ivan]

Should be able to get a reliable 117HP from an SV!

Sheez thats heaps Id love it if myne put out that much power thats when you would really be wanting the 180 profile rear and the GSXR600 frotn end with much better brakes!!

Reliable 117? what do they make standered 70?

[neil_cb125t]

Hey peoples - i agree with the whole fast bike, fast rider dig.

but all those that say 400 bored out to 450's arent reliable are wrong.

Dont run low clearances!! piston to head of no less than .7mm and give the rods i tickle up and DONT OVER REV THE THING!!!:Offtopic:

If anyone wants a hand ( tips etc ) with getting a 450 together let me know. ITs easier than changing a head gasket!!

the Sounth island boys on the ZXRs - im sorry but any ZXR that does a
1:13 at manny is awesome i will never do that!!

or anyone who rides a road bike to the track then comes first must be pretty good.... yeah im talking bout you cookie

MY 2cs.... Dont penalise Nats riders - I want to be one of those!! we should trying to get people to that level!!:Punk:

[quallman1234]

Sheez thats heaps Id love it if myne put out that much power thats when you would really be wanting the 180 profile rear and the GSXR600 frotn end with much better brakes!!

Reliable 117? what do they make standered 70?

If that, ive heard stock your probabaly getting 55-60 too the ground.

[roadracingoldfart]

Thats a pretty big number, have heard of similar from the pommie SV's + a little more. But not very robust (I.E two meetings........ ouch!)
Glen



Nice crank , lots of cups , good looking , very fast bike . :Punk:

[roadracingoldfart]

thats absolutley flying for a stock zxr400!! Stating the obvious that no-one is doing those times today.

Why do you think that is? is it differences in the track or exceptionally fast batch of riders?

Sure the bikes are now 20 years older but that doesnt really explain the large deviation in times. Today a 1.19 on a STOCK 400 would be a 'good' time, let alone on 1990's tyres.

It was all to do with the track condition , it was a steeper banking and a much better condition surface. Plus we all had huge balls and no brains.

[Deano]

How the fuck am I meant to keep up with the F3 front runners on a proody bike??

Thankfully there are still a few people flying the 2-STROKE flag for people that appreciate real race bikes rather than sport tourers....:sick:

Or gurls commuter bikes like the SV's ?

Welcome to the pro twin world........which seems to be at the front of the VMCC F3 pack :shutup:

[codgyoleracer]

Sheez thats heaps Id love it if myne put out that much power thats when you would really be wanting the 180 profile rear and the GSXR600 frotn end with much better brakes!!

Reliable 117? what do they make standered 70?

Stock - your usually between 68 - 72, dependant on the dyno & how Mr Suzuki put it together.

[codgyoleracer]

Nice crank , lots of cups , good looking , very fast bike . :Punk:

Both cups n cranks are nicely polished, - something for you to be doing in front of the telly at night RROF ?

[Ivan]

Stock - your usually between 68 - 72, dependant on the dyno & how Mr Suzuki put it together.

yeah I thought it was around 70 A exhaust change must be worth a horsepower at least?


Wait till that Tigcraft hits the track that's gonna be insanly fast I reckon what I saw of it at Manfield its got the speed for sure

[Whitebait]

Hey are you on the 555? bike?

Yes Ivan, I'm #555

Took you a while to put 2 and 2 together.......:shit:

By round 4 the NSR is gonna be turning a few heads with some fresh paint and some new goodies......:gob:

[mossy1200]

Neils only a strict diet and some dedicated cardio away from being truly great or maybe the best.Gotta beat him just once before this happens.Thats something I could tell kids about when im old.

[evol mas]

Yeah ?, last figure i was quoted was 125............. How doooo these rumours start ?. Fastest four I've raced against was Andy Bolwells - & it dissapeared into the distance at a great rate of knots (+90hp from that beastie). Bill Van derHovens FZR was/is also very quick, as is Mr De Boers green meanie ZXR
Jason Eastons Tiggy - wins the hp versus weight war hands down and corner exit speed is the impressive result.
Not sure the ponies of Chris Osbournes triple now - but on the track the ram air effect & modern design certainly keeps it at the pointy end.
Glen

i heard 130hp at nationals

[roadracingoldfart]

Both cups n cranks are nicely polished, - something for you to be doing in front of the telly at night RROF ?


Hell Codgy , they arnt mine i hope you know . I only got a handfull of trophys lol.
Its the Aussie guy i know , Scot Travers. This is what it looked like after the 5th gear crash at Philip Island last year lol. He broke a nail and got a sore finger :bash:

[svr]

or anyone who rides a road bike to the track then comes first must be pretty good.... yeah im talking bout you cookie


Now that the `being 40+' excuse for going slow doesn't cut it anymore (thanx to Codgey, Terry et al.) I find it's important to have an auxiliary excuse that `I would have gone faster but gotta ride home...'

The whole `fastest F3 rider not doin the nats' question is a bit moot - bit like asking `who's the fastest rider not really trying very hard?' i.e. a bit of a waste of time.

The fastest F3 bike in the country is the Tigcraft - hands down :gob: Seems reliable now too. Bit of a `straight-liner' though - maybe needs a wider rear tire? Also would be great to see a serious `Super Single' out there! Something based around the new KTM Duke maybe? Off to buy a Lotto ticket now :bye:

[koba]

The fastest F3 bike in the country is the Tigcraft

I wet myself a wee bit watching it accelerate off the line at last years Manfeild Tri-series round.

[codgyoleracer]

Now that the `being 40+' excuse for going slow doesn't cut it anymore (thanx to Codgey, Terry et al.) I find it's important to have an auxiliary excuse that `I would have gone faster but gotta ride home...'

The whole `fastest F3 rider not doin the nats' question is a bit moot - bit like asking `who's the fastest rider not really trying very hard?' i.e. a bit of a waste of time.

The fastest F3 bike in the country is the Tigcraft - hands down :gob: Seems reliable now too. Bit of a `straight-liner' though - maybe needs a wider rear tire? Also would be great to see a serious `Super Single' out there! Something based around the new KTM Duke maybe? Off to buy a Lotto ticket now :bye:

Was told the other day of a 690ktm single in tigraft frame , 79hp / 100kg

[roogazza]

Was told the other day of a 690ktm single in tigraft frame , 79hp / 100kg

Not a worry for you Codge, there still has to be someone on the bars and I don't see too many getting near that level. (in spite of you being middle aged ) G.

[Ivan]

Was told the other day of a 690ktm single in tigraft frame , 79hp / 100kg

In New Zealand?

A Tig Craft SV engine would be insanely good. I think its going to be a good Nationals this Season with you on your Dominating bike Jason on the TigCraft them Screaming 400's from down South

[codgyoleracer]

Hi Ivan - how is your series going ?
No Jason easton was telling me that Tigraft have made one of those 690 versions. I think it was destined for the states.
There will be a bike test on Jasons Tigraft & himself in Bike Rider magazine within the next couple of issues, so keep a look out.
Glen

[johnsv650]

the interesting thing is you never know who will turn up on what ?

[Ivan]

Series isnt going anywere near as good as what I was hoping Im running alot further down the field than I should be but I just have to work on it I think.

Thatd be awsome and Yeah will keep and eye out for it for sure.

[codgyoleracer]

the interesting thing is you never know who will turn up on what ?

Exactly - my de-sleeved Ducati 749 is coming along nicely

[neil_cb125t]

hmmmmm all i need is a new 600 that i can glue my motor into and ill be in business. yeah right!!


:crybaby:


Exactly - my de-sleeved Ducati 749 is coming along nicely

very interesting idea.....

[codgyoleracer]

hmmmmm all i need is a new 600 that i can glue my motor into and ill be in business. yeah right!!


:crybaby:



very interesting idea.....

Or was it my 1000cc single ?, or 4cyl "cranked" 600/450 ?, Or 09 R6 triple or ..........

[Benk]

Or was it my 1000cc single ?

Oh god. Motards sound bad enough! :laugh::laugh:

[lostinflyz]

Or was it my 1000cc single ?, or 4cyl "cranked" 600/450 ?, Or 09 R6 triple or ..........

first one with a 3 cylinder or sleeved moto2 bike wins.

[scroter]

who's the fastest is the question, what bike your on dont matter, theres plenty of people out there doing quite well with bugger all and also some doing not much with all the bells and whistles, which proves to me that whatever you got you still gotta ride it. I dont really know who the best is, it would be hard to deny cookie though. buckle's is good in all conditions. its probably easier to list who's not the fastest.

[quickbuck]

first one with a 3 cylinder or sleeved moto2 bike wins.

Still comes back to... "Who the heck is the rider".

Sorry, but unlike F1, it is 80% rider, 20% motorcycle.... Just to quote the MotoGP commentator on "Faster", who's name has escaped me at the moment...

Truly, I can have 100 factory HP and ride the wheels off my (Yes, almost stock) road bike, BUT Chappy will beat me around Manfeild by over ten seconds.....

Incidentally I think Chappy (#176, Neil CB125T) is one of the most improved riders over the Summer, and his results in the winter series support my theory.....

I may be biased though.............

[Wingnut]

Just to quote the MotoGP commentator on "Faster", who's name has escaped me at the moment...

.

Ewan McGregor perhaps????

[quickbuck]

Ewan McGregor perhaps????

No, he doesn't commentate MotoGP... But, he did narrate Faster....

Is it Julian Somebody??
Rider even? or is that Ryder????

[Wingnut]

Sorry thought you were meaning the narrator. Your right, Julian Ryder is the comentator you are on about.:Offtopic: