New speed cameras being tried in Lower Hutt?

[nico]

hey all can some one in the know shead some light on the subject , i heard this 2nd hand so might be a bull shit but....

apparently in lower hutt they are tryling a new speed camrea that knows when a bike is comming ie, speeding it then takes one front and a 2nd camrea takes a rear photo of number plate? is this for real????? this came from the guy at the new bike shop in upper hutt yarning to da mrs yesterday he got done 2wice i reken (slow lerner) he coulda just been spinning but dono
anyone else heard of these? of know the whole story about them ?

[naphazoline]

can't say i've heard about that,but i did find this on a google search,only to find i can't open the page


Computerworld > Police to spend $5 million on new speed cameras 3 Nov 2008 ... Australian company RedFlex wins hardware and software upgrade work.

computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/9B5FB2EC34E2A50DCC2574F5007F05C7 -

[Coyote]

New bike store in Upper Hutt?

[davereid]

Australian company RedFlex wins hardware and software upgrade work
By Computerworld staff Auckland | Monday, 3 November, 2008

Australian company RedFlex Traffic Systems has won a contract worth up to $5 million to replace New Zealand's fleet of mobile speed cameras.

NZ Police went in search of a device that could automatically detect speeding vehicles and capture an image of the vehicle with information included on the image to assist enforcement action. Police also required software to manage the technology to manage the transfer of captured data to its central processing centre.

ASX-listed RedFlex, based in Melbourne, claims to be the world’s largest speed and red light camera outsourcing provider. It has contracts with more than 200 US cities, and is the largest provider of digital red light and speed enforcement services in North America, with photo speed programmes in nine states and photo red light programmes in 21.

In May Redflex cameras were deployed in Auckland to boost red light enforcement.

Last month, RedFlex flagged it had been approached by several parties interested in acquiring the company.

New Zealand Police declined to comment on the project until RedFlex issues a press release, which is expected shortly.

[nico]

New bike store in Upper Hutt?

might be more a scooter shop havent been there my self but it has taken over teh bitshashity dealer ship next to court house

[candor]

New speed cameras to nab holiday drivers
By TOM FITZSIMONS - The Dominion Post | Saturday, 06 December 2008

Motorists face a blitz from 43 new speed cameras - with the first due to be introduced in time for Christmas holiday traffic. Police confirmed the cameras and conceded that more tickets would be issued. They would also be digital, meaning tickets were issued more quickly.

Police will pay almost $4 million for the cameras, one of which was being tested in Wellington's Ngauranga Gorge yesterday. They will replace 31 mobile cameras now in use - which catch a motorist every 10 minutes on average.

The cameras, either at fixed locations or mobile ones housed in a parked van, have been used to issue more than 4.4 million tickets in the past decade, netting at least $350 million.

The new cameras are expected to be introduced between the end of the year and March.

Superintendent Paula Rose, the national road policing manager, said speed cameras had been an essential tool in moving on from the "killing fields" on the roads a generation ago. "Today we've got faster cars, we've got young people accessing fast cars ... so what a success rate."

The decision to expand the speed camera programme was part of an attempt to lower the road toll to less than 300 by 2010.

"Initially we do expect there will be an increase in tickets ... any increase depends on what drivers choose to do." Most people respected the speed limit in camera areas, Ms Rose said.

Automobile Association spokesman Simon Lambourne believed motorists supported speed cameras and the organisation would back having more.

Police Association president Greg O'Connor said officers would support [B]an initiative to reduce the road toll. They preferred speed-camera use to having frontline staff issue tickets. "It's a good idea because obviously the relationship between police and the public is negatively impacted by the heavy ticketing campaign."

The new digital cameras are expected to process tickets about a day faster than existing ones, which take photos on film.

Police headquarters will not divulge the cost of the cameras and says the contract, provisionally awarded to Australian firm Redflex, is still being decided.

Hmm, my organisation acquired the cost / benefits Police pitched to Treasury and this big tax ramp up is expected to save about 1 life and 10 injuries from memory (don't have docs here to get direct quotes from).

The money given specified cost / road safety benefits would clearly be better spent on ignition interlocks, or almost anything else but this speed silliness.

Even more outrageous the silliness spawned here by LTSA and MoTs research RAM "Refining and developing a Resource Allocation Model for Road Safety" (computer program that attempts to draw a connection between speed, drink drive and belt quotas and reduced trauma and fails - yet still determines ? 6 mthly District Quotas) has spawn.

http://www.erso.eu/safetynet/fixed/WP3/sn_wp3_d3p8_spi_manual.pdf
On this website we see the "intermediate outcomes" of quotas, as piloted in the NZ RAM or "Greatest Enforced Risks" experiment of
1. reduced median speeds
2. reduced DUI alcohol offences and
3. reduced non belt worn offences
have now been rebranded.
Intermediate outcomes (NZ stylz) are now SPI's (Safety Performance Indicators) and being marketed for global use.

Drats. Analysis by the MoT of the parasitic pilot run we host shows achievement of outcome targets by means of adequate quotas for ticketing / infringement issue bear little to no relationship to reduced speed or alcohol caused crashes, and may directly increase them, or in the most positive assessment just be associated with increases.

Fewer speeders on roads don't produce fewer speed crashes.
Fewer drink drivers on roads don't produce fewer drink drive crashes.

NZ has a third of the drink driver prevalence of France but equivalent drink drive deaths proportionate to the toll ie round 28%.

The reason numbers of quota targeted offenders on the road is a poor measure of trauma potential is obvious. It is wrong to assume equal risk distribution from all over speed limit drivers / all over BAC limit drink drivers. It is only a portion (and a small one) of each group causing harm; the dangerous speeders especially youthful, young or drug combining or non law considering in general drink drivers. Most of the killerdrink drivers have other antisocial convictions. Unless that small portion is the prime focus & removed from the road we are simply wasting and abusing our ticket books and Officers time.

The renaming of "intermediate outcomes" (not direct harm indicators at all) as Safety Performance Indicators is quite misleading. Given these targets that the countermeasures (speed cams, booze buses) aim for have little or nought to do with crash, injury and death reduction (MoTs own analysis we acquired under the OIA). It could even be argued they increase the end product trauma, by distracting from finding solutions and initiating action on the real issues.

Kiwis don't seem to be as well hoodwinked by the biggest propaganda campaigns in living memory as could be expected. Half those registering views on Stuffs poll relating to above article said the increase in speed cam operations is just about revenue. Maybe there is still hope!

[nico]

ahhhh crap i knew it

[Pascal]

There is some more information here as well (http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2008/1208.shtml).

Apparently these ones measure your speed between two points, so even if you're below the speed limit at the second one it uses number plate recognition, etc. to calculate the speed difference versus time blah blah and so establish what speed you were travelling at. They're due, if Aardvark is correct, to go into service next year.

Sounds like it will be a complicated setup, but I'm sure they'll just about pay for themselves.

[Paladin]

There is some more information here as well (http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2008/1208.shtml).

Apparently these ones measure your speed between two points, so even if you're below the speed limit at the second one it uses number plate recognition, etc. to calculate the speed difference versus time blah blah and so establish what speed you were travelling at. They're due, if Aardvark is correct, to go into service next year.

Sounds like it will be a complicated setup, but I'm sure they'll just about pay for themselves.

They've been running these type of cameras in the UK for a few years now, mostly on certain stretches of motorway, thought I'd left the bastard things behind moving here, but seems NZ is keen to up revenue too now!

Of course the question is: will they allow a % over the limit???????

[Conquiztador]

And then you have this development...

[candor]

Where is it. everywhere? And what of the BMW parked with a motionless driver for long periods where my country road meets urban one? Hard to know if its burglars casing the street or the other kind. Hippocrits - if downing speed was the true agenda they'd just fit cars with a reporting system back to the Wanga comp. Like those monitors parents can put in novice drivers cars to spy.

[Paladin]

And then you have this development...

Now that's just taking the piss!!!

[Max Preload]

And then you have this development...

But that's in S.A. (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200406/s1131149.htm)

[Conquiztador]

Now that's just taking the piss!!!

OK, I admit, it was rubbish...

[gixxer-king]

oh and the jokes get worse. Well remeber lads theres always the pillions hand to cover the plate or an oversized jacket. plastic bag worked well for a while also, just say it must of got caught on the motorway (wrap it descretely though) cover it in mud/dirt or bend it so those kodak moments dont quite capture the whole picture. all ways to keep your personal tabs lower than mine.

ok Im just kidding but damn I want the old cameras ive paid for over the years, no good just throwing them out.

[Kinje]

:Police:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4818874a11.html

New speed cameras on roads today

Motorists will be under the scrutiny of new hi-tech digital speed cameras from today.


The new cameras mean motorists will receive tickets through the mail faster and images will be of better clarity.

Forty-three cameras are being introduced nationwide in the next month, with three earmarked for use in Wellington, Porirua and the Hutt Valley.

The cameras were due to be introduced before Christmas but were delayed while protective surrounds were fitted to computer equipment. Despite the delay the news remains all bad for speedsters.

This was demonstrated by Senior Sergeant Martin Barber putting one of the new Australian cameras through its paces on the motorway north of Johnsonville yesterday.

During the past week, Mr Barber has put the Wellington region's six non-sworn police camera operators through the final stages of technical training.

He, like the manager of police calibration services Inspector Ron Phillips, is enthusiastic about the new high-clarity digital camera system.

Mr Phillips said that under the previous wet film system the operator had no idea of the quality of the photographs until the images were processed days after being taken.

"Under the new system the operator will be able to see the photographs as they are being taken and change the exposure to the ambient light."

The system will enable non-sworn police camera operators sitting in camera vehicles to enhance pictures showing number plates on the spot before filing them on DVD and lodging the pictures with the Police Enforcement Bureau at the end of each shift.

Speed cameras were introduced in 1993, boosting government coffers by about $350 million in the past decade.

A police spokesman declined to comment on the prospect of more tickets being issued as a result of better-clarity pictures.

[Badjelly]

A police spokesman declined to comment on the prospect of more tickets being issued as a result of better-clarity pictures.

Whew, it's a good thing he didn't comment on that. It might really have let the cat out of the bag. As it is, no one suspects a thing.

[Anarkist]

Fond, fond memories of a speed camera van and a tray of eggs. :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

The system will enable non-sworn police camera operators sitting in camera vehicles to enhance pictures showing number plates on the spot before filing them on DVD and lodging the pictures with the Police Enforcement Bureau at the end of each shift.



So they will have the ability to 'play' with the photo's BEFORE filing them on DVD!

[pete376403]

At least with the old film cameras there was a negative that would be unquestionable - with digital and photoshop the pic can be anything the operator wants it to be.
Not suggesting the police lack integrity or anything like that, but suppose they wanted to "prove" a certain vehicle (and person) was in a particular place at a particular time? Obviously not worth the effort for a simple speeding ticket but if they really wanted to nail someone, eg - "...the suspects car was cuaght by a speed camera speeding away from the crime scene..."
People have been stitched up on less.

I recall reading an article in an UK mag where they took a digital photo and changed the rego plate and bike colour without too much effort.

[Zippity]

The smart radar van operator has a pair of binoculars so that he can look through the front windscreen to get your number plate as you breeze smugly by :)

[Max Preload]

The smart radar van operator has a pair of binoculars so that he can look through the front windscreen to get your number plate as you breeze smugly by :)

If the operator was actually smart, he wouldn't be sitting in a van for a job. In any case, it's simply his word against yours which, as a non-sworn Police employee, doesn't mean a great deal.

[MaxB]

So they will have the ability to 'play' with the photo's BEFORE filing them on DVD!

In other places when the fine and demerits get big enough the number of contested tickets goes up. I can see defence lawyers zeroing in on the non-sworn operators and looking into every aspect of the operator's past life searching for anything that calls their honesty into question.

Our courts can barely cope as it is. Alowing non-sworn staff to tutu with the pictures is a dumb idea.

[Winston001]

The cameras, either at fixed locations or mobile ones housed in a parked van, have been used to issue more than 4.4 million tickets in the past decade, netting at least $350 million.


4.4 million tickets??!! Over ten years?? Sod all IMHO. I'm astonished there are so few considering the billions of kilometers travelled by NZ vehicles over ten years. Hell I've helped out with at least 5 myself. :crybaby:

[Zippity]

If the operator was actually smart, he wouldn't be sitting in a van for a job. In any case, it's simply his word against yours which, as a non-sworn Police employee, doesn't mean a great deal.

Actually, you are wrong on both counts :(

I have spoken to and watched one of the operators in action and he did have binoculars.

Suggest you go read the speed camera legislation.

Hopefully, you were one of the smug riders that got a ticket :)

[Max Preload]

Actually, you are wrong on both counts :(

I have spoken to and watched one of the operators in action and he did have binoculars.

So what? So you got hoodwinked by the company line he fed you - big fuck'n deal. The cretin in the van having binoculars doesn't mean his evidence is infallible should one choose to contest any alledged infringement. He likely wouldn't even turn up to give that testimony.


Suggest you go read the speed camera legislation.

How about instead of me wasting my time looking for something that doesn't exist, you waste your time and prove it does. Since I'm such a nice guy though, I'll give you a helping hand - click here (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/whole.html#DLM433613). I'd like to see where in the legislation it mentions the plebian operator recording the registration of any vehicle as being evidence of an infringement offence in the absence of proof to the contrary. Good luck with that! I don't see any mention of the van-dwelling oxygen thief themselves being approved vehicle surveillance equipment (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1994/0202/latest/whole.html) either. :finger:


Hopefully, you were one of the smug riders that got a ticket :)

Sorry to spoil your day, but nope. I've never had one on a bike and likely never will - I'm far too cunning. However in the event I did, you can be damned sure I'd contest it if the photo was from the front. I've had one in the car in '98 when they were running the hidden camera trial in the Waikato since that's the only way they can get observant drivers.

[Zippity]

One word best describes you m8 - "TOSSER" :(

[Max Preload]

It certainly takes more than one word to describe you - wanker who makes outlandish claims that he can't back up wih fact. :shake: