First Races

[dpex]

As usual for me, the learning curve was very steep, especially that part concerned with being over-taken.

Getting bracketed by four, Supermotards, for almost the entire 50M of the Taupo, Track-3, hairpin was an experience I shan't forget anytime soon. And having them pass me, left and right on the short straight, with just enough space between us to slip a thin sheet of paper; was a similarly 'interesting' experience.

Apart from the broiling sun, it was a great experience. I managed a 9th, followed by a solid 9th, and then really opened up to score a magnificent 9th; albeit from a field of nine.

The bike felt the need to have one quick lie-down during round-two. Must've been feeling a bit tired. :--(( The hearse was not required, so at least I finished the race.

All-in-all, a memorable day. But woooo! Have I got a shit-load to learn about nearly aspect of track-riding.

[kiwifruit]

I think these are photos of you? :sunny:

[dpex]

Yup, that was the Yami having an unscheduled snooze. :--((

[wharfy]

good fun eh ?

[kiwifruit]

Heres one of you on the bike :) Not good shots i know but its proof you were there

[dpex]

Heres one of you on the bike :) Not good shots i know but its proof you were there

Was that pic taken just before the bike decided to take a rest?

[R6_kid]

Clubmans i presume?

[dpex]

I'd be interested to read any thoughts on the cause of the lay-down.

The guy next to me (a long time racer named Andy McDonald, from Palmy) suggested my pegs need lifting on account of when they start grinding they cause the rear wheel to lift. The theory sounded good to me. Anyone with knowledge got a comment?

Also, he adjusted the damper return on the rear spring. Prior to his intervention the return stroke was woefully slow. He asserted that would have also contributed to the low-side bin. Any comments?

Could such really slow damping also have contributed to getting the wobbles up the hill to the straight at Puke? Given the surface is fearfully uneven at that point.

Andy had also suggested that in the event I come into a corner too hot and have to pass through the event-horizon of tyre grip/lost grip, don't panic and try to ease up. "If you know you're going to go, then go down. Better a low-side than its high-siding brother." Any comments?

BTW: Having now binned three times, the fear of low-siding has gone, and has been replaced with a sense of annoyance that I keep doing it.

There's no way in the world can my bike keep up with the modern bikes, on the straights, but through the corners is a different matter, and so, as I see it I have to improve my cornering technique by about 500% to start getting mildly competitive. And staying on through the corners seems to be a top priority at the moment.

I figure that if I could have saved just one second at each of the 3 tighter corners, and maybe 2 in the sweeper on track-3 at Taupo, I would have at least been in the hunt.

Ho hum.

Another track-day on Sunday. More time to practice.

I'd also be keen to get some advice on the breaking point out of Jennian and into the first left hander prior to Castrol. I knew I was going way slow through the Jennian sweeper but held a strong fear of going into that first left-hander too hot.

Cheers
D

[dpex]

Clubmans i presume?

Yup.

Was supposed to be in Street Stock, but the piston on the KR was FUBAR, so I swapped to clubmans.

I will carry on in that class for the final six races.

[R6_kid]

How did it feel when you went down? Did the front slide out, or did the rear come around? On the brakes? On the gas? Turning in? Just starting to exit?

If you give us a detailed run through of what you felt and remember then some people might be able to let you know what might have happened.

[dpex]

good fun eh ?

Yeah man, it's the best! :--)) Expensive though. $200 for transport gas, plus $137 (race-day fee and transponder) for just over a total of 26 minutes track-time (inc the practice round).

But I guess serious fun comes at a price.

[dpex]

How did it feel when you went down? Did the front slide out, or did the rear come around? On the brakes? On the gas? Turning in? Just starting to exit?

If you give us a detailed run through of what you felt and remember then some people might be able to let you know what might have happened.


Cool!

Okay. I was doing nothing different from the times before or, in fact the times after, other than 'memory' (always a false prophet during such moments) suggests I just went down too low. Knowing me I probably would have been holding the throttle at slightly over equal. The arse went out, not the front. I didn't brake at all.

Oddly enough (once again from memory) I felt I was going too slow at the time.

I was just setting up to rise out of the turn for the exit.

It 'felt' like I'd just taken the bike beyond its sticky point and the arse simply let go.

Once again, from memory, I don't think the peg was scraping. It may have been, but I don't think so, although my left boot 'scaper' got half torn off, so maybe I was way down to far.

I need to add that after Andy adjusted the suspension recoil the bike felt a lot better.

[jrandom]

improve my cornering technique by about 500%

Brake later and harder, accelerate earlier and harder, and hang off the bike more to get better corner speed without having to lean it over so far.

:sunny:

Didn't realise you were there on Sunday or I would've found you and said hello.

Edit: Actually, don't necessarily brake later and harder. Keith Code puts it well with his idea of a 'corner product' - you should be riding to achieve a particular outcome in terms of what the bike does out of the corner. If you can find a better exit speed by going easier on the brakes and tipping in with more settled suspension, do so. It might give you faster lap times than late braking. You'll never know until you start practicing and timing.

[FROSTY]

A few more facts would be helpful. 1 Tyre pressures?
2)at what point in the race did it happen?
3) what did that side of the tyre look like after the race? -was it smooth n shiney -any sighn of oil residue? was it very chewed up?

My first thoought was its rough handling on your part
Followed by a concern with mixing a hot track with a nice road orientated tyre might have greased it up for you.
were you getting chattering in the rear wheel before this happened--pointing to over damping.

[jrandom]

My first thoought was its rough handling on your part

Swot struck me too, actually. It's not just speed that uses up traction hey, it's a lack of smoothness - you can go real fast round a corner if you're not changing anything midway, but an overly tense rider or any slightly choppy control inputs and it's all over rover!

Gotta go slow before you can go fast... I'm still working on the first bit.

:doobey:

[FROSTY]

In my opinion the 600 is a bike best ridden using the classic slow in fast out method.
I disagree that the peg digging in is an issue -Ive suggested several times shifting weight to the inside of the corner to keep the bke more upright. That in itself at this stage would be enough to create more ground clearance.
Raising the pegs in YOUR case I think may be detrimental in that it will make the riding position more cramped. -but then its only a matter of 2 chunks of ally I guess

[dpex]

A few more facts would be helpful. 1 Tyre pressures?
2)at what point in the race did it happen?
3) what did that side of the tyre look like after the race? -was it smooth n shiney -any sighn of oil residue? was it very chewed up?

My first thoought was its rough handling on your part
Followed by a concern with mixing a hot track with a nice road orientated tyre might have greased it up for you.
were you getting chattering in the rear wheel before this happened--pointing to over damping.

Answers in sequence.

Handling didn't feel rough. I felt my usual comfort level into a corner. As mentioned in another answer, I thought I was going quite slowly compared with previous runs through the corner.

Didn't look at the tyre. Was too busy looking for scratches on my lovely Yami.

According to sundry 'experts' my Pilot Powers as as good a track tyre as I'm likely to get (within my budget) so I don't really understand your posit.

No chattering. The bike just laid down like it had had enough of my Tom-Fool handling and was teaching me a lesson.

I do have to say that after Andy adjusted the recoil on the rear shock the bike felt waaaaay better. To the point that had I not completely screwed up my gear selection on the last left sweeper to the finish, I would have finished 8th.

Ho hum. So much to learn. And what a buzzy learning trip. :--))

BTW: Frosty. The only damage wasa slightly munted gear-shift (unmunted with a spanner) and a rather nasty looking scratch on 'Madame's' rear fairing. And, of course, the left crash bung is one-third shorter.

Damned clever things those crash-bungs.

[dpex]

In my opinion the 600 is a bike best ridden using the classic slow in fast out method.
I disagree that the peg digging in is an issue -Ive suggested several times shifting weight to the inside of the corner to keep the bke more upright. That in itself at this stage would be enough to create more ground clearance.
Raising the pegs in YOUR case I think may be detrimental in that it will make the riding position more cramped. -but then its only a matter of 2 chunks of ally I guess

I understand what you're on about, but I figure I can get a set of racing/track-day pegs. Andy's posit makes sense to me. If the peg is taking even 'some' of the weight, when you're right out there on the edge, then that 'could' contribute to lessening the weight on the rear tyre.

As for weight-shifting. Yeah. I figure I have to learn how to do that. I will. Just a matter of practice.

[dpex]

Brake later and harder, accelerate earlier and harder, and hang off the bike more to get better corner speed without having to lean it over so far.

:sunny:

Didn't realise you were there on Sunday or I would've found you and said hello.

Edit: Actually, don't necessarily brake later and harder. Keith Code puts it well with his idea of a 'corner product' - you should be riding to achieve a particular outcome in terms of what the bike does out of the corner. If you can find a better exit speed by going easier on the brakes and tipping in with more settled suspension, do so. It might give you faster lap times than late braking. You'll never know until you start practicing and timing.

Two things. Yeah, it would have been great to meet you.

I guess it's fair to assert that no amount of theory supplants action.

I just have to keep doing it, J. I think my greatest asset is, I'm a persistent little bastard.And i don't scare easily. :--)))

And i just have to keep reading Twist Of The Wrist.

BTW: For al those who would like a copy, I now have it as a PDF file.

Happy to post it to any and all requesters.

[jrandom]

With the weight shifting, don't worry too much about moving your arse about at first, just lead with your shoulder and kiss your mirrors. Like, really swing your upper body over. Your shoulder and/or elbow should be the first thing that goes round the corner, etc.

[dpex]

Heres one of you on the bike :) Not good shots i know but its proof you were there

I just noticed something in your photos. Do you see how two of the SM's haven't got their headlights taped?

I'm flabbergasted. In fact my flaber has never been so gasted. What about the rules!!!?

Yay. In 2008, some-two broke the RULES and got away with it. There's hope for mankind yet.

[dpex]

With the weight shifting, don't worry too much about moving your arse about at first, just lead with your shoulder and kiss your mirrors. Like, really swing your upper body over. Your shoulder and/or elbow should be the first thing that goes round the corner, etc.

Yeah J. I think you're right. That's what came out of a vid posted somewhere on this site. It was from one of those Californian super-bike training sessions. The guy made pure sense.

I sucked it in. Sadly, I have yet to do it properly. But I will. At least, I ''will" within my skill level, and get better as that improves.

Hell's teeth. But it just HAS to improve. :--(((

But man, there is so much going on is such a short period of time.

I guess that if we'd been just Clubmans, then I'd had some more time to think, but with these amazingly mad fucks (don't ya just love them) on their super motards, lapping me every 3rd minute, most of my time was spent thinking about the next bracket of SM's coming hoving by.

But shit it was good. :--))

What a buzz.

[FROSTY]

With the weight shifting, don't worry too much about moving your arse about at first, just lead with your shoulder and kiss your mirrors. Like, really swing your upper body over. Your shoulder and/or elbow should be the first thing that goes round the corner, etc.
I disagrre in THIS case. This man needs to shift his arse to the inside of the corner by about 150mm to start with

[jrandom]

I disagrre in THIS case. This man needs to shift his arse to the inside of the corner by about 150mm to start with

Well, I haven't actually watched him ride, so, y'know. Whatever you say.

:sunny:

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Oops, I couldn't help myself. At least I didn't capture you on 'the way down', so to speak.
You lost the rear end, possibly exacerbated (good word) by your LH peg touching down I think.
You were going fine mate apart from your little moment!

[CHOPPA]

From looking at the other picture body position could of helped... :niceone:

[dpex]

Having had more time to run the memory card in concert with the above comments...I remember thinking I was quite slow into the corner.

I'm wondering if what actually happened was; I was just too slow for the lean angle and ran out of centrifugal support.

Any comments?

[kiwifruit]

Just have fun, man. Try not to over analyse everything. Relax.

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[Sully60]

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One piece of advise I will give you based what I can see in this picture.

IF IT'S A SAFE PLACE TO PICK YOUR BIKE UP

Bend your knees and lift with your legs when picking up your bike. When you've had a minor off it's best just to slow down and take your time getting restarted, you already lost a heap of time so a few more seconds won't hurt your result any more.

If you're serious about this racing thing you may have to do this at least a few more times and racing with a fucked back isn't very enjoyable and does nothing to help with working on your body position.

[Sully60]

My first thought was its rough handling on your part



Swot struck me too, actually. It's not just speed that uses up traction hey, it's a lack of smoothness - you can go real fast round a corner if you're not changing anything midway, but an overly tense rider or any slightly choppy control inputs and it's all over rover!

Gotta go slow before you can go fast... I'm still working on the first bit.

:doobey:

DISCLAMER:As I wasn't there or have seen you ride this post is based entirely on what I've read in this thread and some personal experience, its; yours to take from what you will. It is also based on all factors being equal, I'm not going into tyre pressures, suspension ground clearance, track conditions etc.

Both of you may have a good point here, though 'rough handling' is a rather hard thing to pinpoint. If as you say you were leaned over carrying a neutral throttle setting you'd have to do something pretty rough to fall over(like let go of the bars, jump off or suddenly decide that John Hopkins can get to 62 degrees lean so why can't I!)
As Jrandom said you can actually go pretty fast just sitting relaxed on the bike being smooth.



Here's just something I've seen in the past that may help you.

I've seen it before when relatively quick road riders make it to the track for the first time they really attack the corners, brake late in and accelerate hard out blah, blah, but what most don't do is get the bike turned enough in between. The consequence from this, the rider arrives at the exit of the corner with the bike pointed at the outside of the turn with no way to make it around carrying their current throttle percentage/lean angle.

The rider now has two options, bottle out, chop the throttle and lose all the drive they got from being on the gas early or they bottle up and go for more lean angle to make the turn. The second option could work for you eight or nine times out of ten and you'd definitely get the impression that your rear tyre is working right up to the eighth or ninth time when you realise that you're now sliding on your arse following the bike down the track or you've just suddenly gained six feet in altitude and are watching you're bike disintegrate from up there and hoping for a soft landing yourself(fat chance)

So as Mr Random said the slow down to go fast thing is best way at the beginning. Accuracy is more important at this stage and speed comes from that. Getting the bike to the apex of the turn and heading in the right direction is the key here, corner exits will come a lot easier from a well sorted entry.

Just a little thing I've told people, it's a bit simplistic but please don't feel patronised.

If you are opening the throttle(accelerating) you must be picking the bike up, if you need more lean, hold constant throttle or roll off slightly. Like I said this is very simplistic but you should see a dramatic decrease rear end lowsides if you stick with this.

As I said this could all be wrong for you but I hope you can take something from it.

[dpex]

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I've seen it before when relatively quick road riders make it to the track for the first time they really attack the corners, brake late in and accelerate hard out blah, blah, but what most don't do is get the bike turned enough in between. The consequence from this, the rider arrives at the exit of the corner with the bike pointed at the outside of the turn with no way to make it around carrying their current throttle percentage/lean angle.

The rider now has two options, bottle out, chop the throttle and lose all the drive they got from being on the gas early or they bottle up and go for more lean angle to make the turn. The second option could work for you eight or nine times out of ten and you'd definitely get the impression that your rear tyre is working right up to the eighth or ninth time when you realise that you're now sliding on your arse following the bike down the track or you've just suddenly gained six feet in altitude and are watching you're bike disintegrate from up there and hoping for a soft landing yourself(fat chance)

So as Mr Random said the slow down to go fast thing is best way at the beginning. Accuracy is more important at this stage and speed comes from that. Getting the bike to the apex of the turn and heading in the right direction is the key here, corner exits will come a lot easier from a well sorted entry.

Just a little thing I've told people, it's a bit simplistic but please don't feel patronised.

If you are opening the throttle(accelerating) you must be picking the bike up, if you need more lean, hold constant throttle or roll off slightly. Like I said this is very simplistic but you should see a dramatic decrease rear end lowsides if you stick with this.

As I said this could all be wrong for you but I hope you can take something from it.[/QUOTE]
Hey man! That's really good advice. But when you say "roll out" do you mean stand the bike up a bit or lay it down further?

I've got a bunch of track days between now and the next PMCC round, and I intend to use them for my learning benefit, not my ego. :--))

[Sully60]

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Hey man! That's really good advice. But when you say "roll out" do you mean stand the bike up a bit or lay it down further?

I've got a bunch of track days between now and the next PMCC round, and I intend to use them for my learning benefit, not my ego. :--))

Roll out of the throttle, you should avoid just lettng the throttle snap shut whilst the bike is leaned over as this is definately rough handling.
So just like rolling on the throttle smoothly out of a turn, if you have to slow down to tighten the line just roll the throttle back to a lower setting.
You can hold the same lean angle around any given corner but end up in a completely different place on the track due to the speed you're carrying, play around next track day on some of the longer corners (more time to see recognise whats happening ), set your lean angle and see how much the throttle affects where you end up heading.

Edit: Just to clarify, if you need to lean over further to make your line then you should be rolling out of the throttle, again overly simplistic but I think you get the point.

[Biggles08]

Just to add my two cents worth in....sorry about the lowside in our race dpex...sucky man....as for how to not do it again, the thing I found useful in getting my initial confidence in cornering harder was trying to think of two corners as one...in other words, think ahead of where you want to be at the exit of the corner which in fact is the entry to the next corner. This "makes" you smoother by default as you are thinking of speed versus track position. As someone has mentioned earlier...the easier you are on changing anything rapidly as far as direction and speed goes, the 'smoother' you become. Try to turn in sets of corners rather than individual ones.....does that make any sense???? hehehe....but your right....what a buzz!

[HEADACHE]

Perhaps you should learn to listen and understand the advice given to you trackside by a fellow that was there. Why second guess him?? He was there.


No point asking the same question twice when you haven't even attempted to learn the advice already given.


Idiot.

[dpex]

Perhaps you should learn to listen and understand the advice given to you trackside by a fellow that was there. Why second guess him?? He was there.


No point asking the same question twice when you haven't even attempted to learn the advice already given.


Idiot.

Firstly, Headache, I never accept any one single opinion about anything. My habit is to keep asking the same type of question till I find I keep getting consistent answers.

As I'm sure you'll appreciate, every man has an opinion on every-thing. An opinion remains so until it is borne out by sundry support opinions.

Keith Code is arguably great, but many opinions I have heard, disagree with his posits.

Secondly,. I'm not an idiot. I'm a silly old cunt, (put the emphasis on either of those superlatives as you wish) and I'd appreciate you remembering that 'fact'.

[dpex]

Well, I haven't actually watched him ride, so, y'know. Whatever you say.

:sunny:


I see you are sitting in 5th position. And I see you haven't watched me ride.

Well, my good buddy, you will get a chance to watch me ride as you look forward during the next series, while sitting in 6th position. :--))))

The gauntlet is flung. Let the jousting begin!

BTW: Any chance Mrs J might act as my brolly-girl on the day, just to show she favours nobody? :--))

I almost talked Bruce Telford's wife into Brollying on the dummy grid, but I guess Bruce must have got huffy cos she didn't show up (twice).

[dpex]

Just to add my two cents worth in....sorry about the lowside in our race dpex...sucky man....as for how to not do it again, the thing I found useful in getting my initial confidence in cornering harder was trying to think of two corners as one...in other words, think ahead of where you want to be at the exit of the corner which in fact is the entry to the next corner. This "makes" you smoother by default as you are thinking of speed versus track position. As someone has mentioned earlier...the easier you are on changing anything rapidly as far as direction and speed goes, the 'smoother' you become. Try to turn in sets of corners rather than individual ones.....does that make any sense???? hehehe....but your right....what a buzz!

Having thought about the event almost constantly, and having read through again, more of Twist Of The Wrist, I now am fairly sure I went too wide, pussied out by 'snapping' off the throttle while being way low and too slow.

That seems like a fairly good formula for a low-side at that speed.

[dpex]

During the various track-days between now and the day I show JRandom a clean pair of heels, I intend to get very analytical about what I 'am' doing, not what I'm not doing.

I'm going to buy a voice recorder and comment on everything I do, then go back to the pits and play it back till I know what to do, better.

Code is very clear on this approach, and his opinion makes complete sense.

[jrandom]

... the day I show JRandom a clean pair of heels

You do know it's traditional to offer to place a bet when talking big talk about how you're going to beat someone in a race series, aye?

:msn-wink:

Are you a scotch drinker?

[dpex]

You do know it's traditional to offer to place a bet when talking big talk about how you're going to beat someone in a race series, aye?

:msn-wink:

Are you a scotch drinker?

Rich red wine is my tipple. One Wolf Blass Black Label-V-a bottle of that vile brew the heathen Scots piss into bottles, seems like a fair wager. :--))

[jrandom]

Rich red wine is my tipple. One Wolf Blass Black Label-V-a bottle of that vile brew the heathen Scots piss into bottles, seems like a fair wager. :--))

You're on! Payout to be after round 3 based on who's higher in the points table?

If you do happen to win, and feel like branching out beyond the Antipodes, I could pick you up a nice bottle from these folk (http://www.mvauron.co.nz/); they're usually very accommodating with explaining all the labels that I can't read...

You'll have to win first, though. Make mine a bottle of Glenlivet.

;)

[Biggles08]

oooohhhhh.....wagers....I want some of this action!!!! lol

[jrandom]

oooohhhhh.....wagers....I want some of this action!!!! lol

What, you want us to bet on whether you're going to win the series or, um, win the series?

:laugh:

(You'll be moving to F2 for the winter series, right?)

[Biggles08]

What, you want us to bet on whether you're going to win the series or, um, win the series?

:laugh:

(You'll be moving to F2 for the winter series, right?)


you trying to get rid of me D? I feel hurt now :( But yes...this will probably be the only clubmans series for me in PMCC. I will be entering the AMCC protecta club champs round 2 in clubmans though...missed the first meet but I'll see if I can be near the front in that series too :2thumbsup...be afraid...be very afraid! :whistle:

As for a wager...maybe a 'clean sweep' wager would be a goody!

[FROSTY]

OK I'm in on this smeck talk. Can I enter into your little group then??
Clubmans racing on whatever Ive got in stock at the time ?
Mind you at this stage the closest thing I've got is a FJR1300 but heck I'm game

[dpex]

OK I'm in on this smeck talk. Can I enter into your little group then??
Clubmans racing on whatever Ive got in stock at the time ?
Mind you at this stage the closest thing I've got is a FJR1300 but heck I'm game

Shall we let him 'in' J? It does seem a little unfair to take advantage of the wee dear, but the fact is he can't hold his liquor so his prize would be a can of coke against Scottish piss or red wine.

When I think about it, he'll have to front with both piss and wine, but you and I can share the cost of a can of coke should he, in the most unlikely event, beat us both.

And if he looks like he might be getting too close, one of us can run interference on him, for the other.:--))

[dpex]

You're on! Payout to be after round 3 based on who's higher in the points table?

If you do happen to win, and feel like branching out beyond the Antipodes, I could pick you up a nice bottle from these folk (http://www.mvauron.co.nz/); they're usually very accommodating with explaining all the labels that I can't read...

You'll have to win first, though. Make mine a bottle of Glenlivet.

;)

I would have thought that since the guantelt was tossed after the first round that we'd be starting on scratch for the last two rounds. But if you feel you need the few points of edge by including the first round's results, I'm man enough to suck it up. :rockon:

[dpex]

oooohhhhh.....wagers....I want some of this action!!!! lol

I don't have a problem with you joining in the wager, but with just one very minor condition. We will require you to leave your front wheel in the pits during the event.

[dpex]

J, during conversation today, I was given the distinct impression that Frosty thinks he'll be all over us.

We shall see, huh?

You pinch his chain and I'll put sugar in his tank. We'll get the little bastard by fair means or foul. :--))

[jrandom]

I would have thought that since the guantelt was tossed after the first round that we'd be starting on scratch for the last two rounds.

Oh, if you like. No worries. Total points over the second and third rounds, then.


... I was given the distinct impression that Frosty thinks he'll be all over us.

Will Frosty be racing Clubmans at round 2? The more the merrier! Edit: Oh, I see his post above, jolly good, jolly good...

:sunny:

[Biggles08]

I don't have a problem with you joining in the wager, but with just one very minor condition. We will require you to leave your front wheel in the pits during the event.


Damn!!!! I'll have to learn how to use the rear brake then!?!?! Whats that all about:wacko:

[jrandom]

Clubmans racing on whatever Ive got in stock at the time ?

Yeah rightio... why not.


Mind you at this stage the closest thing I've got is a FJR1300 but heck I'm game

An FJR1300 should be a fair bit faster than a GSX1400, right?

Right?

See you at Manfeild on 25 January.

:doobey:

[jrandom]

As for a wager...maybe a 'clean sweep' wager would be a goody!

I don't know if I'd be prepared to bet against that.

[FROSTY]

MCC stock anouncement--JUST IN STOCK--1 ex bernard racing R6
MELLA YELLA 2

[Biggles08]

MCC stock anouncement--JUST IN STOCK--1 ex bernard racing R6
MELLA YELLA 2

Ahhhh....but can it shizzle with my Chisel?

[jrandom]

MCC stock anouncement--JUST IN STOCK--1 ex bernard racing R6
MELLA YELLA 2

Bring it on.

:stoogie:

[dpex]

Bring it on.

:stoogie:

Don't worry J. Notice it's an ex-Bernard machine. No doubt a clapped out, tired old banger. Mind you, a really good rider could probably make it hop along. :--))