Spelling nazis

[mister.koz]

I just found i got a negative rep because i criticized someone for correcting my spelling, it wasn't the criticized who repped me by the way.

I'll admit my message might have been snappy but i see pointless posts in threads all the time and allot of them are to do with spelling.

Its quite annoying when you are waiting for some help/advice from knowledgeable people who are in abundance here and you click the "new post to thread ..." link in your email and get a pointless comment.

Do people really are so much about spelling? Are people really that bored?

I don't know how people find the time!

[Mikkel]

You ought to capitalise "i"s when they refer to yourself.

[mister.koz]

You ought to capitalise "i"s when they refer to yourself.

Thought so, another one. I am sure you got a gold star at school well done.

[slofox]

I'll admit my message might have been snappy but i see pointless posts in threads all the time and allot of them are to do with spelling.

ALLOT - to share out....

A LOT - an abundance of.....



Sorry mister.koz - the ex-teacher in me couldn't resist that one...hehehe :innocent:

[noobi]

i think its just people going over the top and posting for the point of posting, whether it be helpful or not
i find if a post is easily understandable then why do you need to comment about syntax and punctuation if they miss out a coma or apostrophy
and if you get an email about this and you find it pointless, very sorry

[slofox]

i think its just people going over the top and posting for the point of posting, whether it be helpful or not
i find if a post is easily understandable then why do you need to comment about syntax and punctuation if they miss out a coma or apostrophy
and if you get an email about this and you find it pointless, very sorry

errrrr is that APOSTROPHE...perchance...?


S'ok - just another pisstake on my part - I am bored today....and putting off doing the real work awaiting me......

[MisterD]

Spelling nazi's what?

Another red mark for cruelty to the common apostrophe.:done:

Starting a thread like this is the KB equivalent of wearing a sign saying "Kick me"....

[noobi]

no, its an apostles' trophy
honest

[Choco]

ALLOT - to share out....

A LOT - an abundance of.....

Yup, was going to mention that.
I'm crap with spelling/grammar, if KB didn't have spell check I think we would all be suffering...

[mister.koz]

ALLOT - to share out....

A LOT - an abundance of.....



Sorry mister.koz - the ex-teacher in me couldn't resist that one...hehehe :innocent:

Dude... :bleh: :bleh: :bleh:


i think its just people going over the top and posting for the point of posting, whether it be helpful or not
i find if a post is easily understandable then why do you need to comment about syntax and punctuation if they miss out a coma or apostrophy
and if you get an email about this and you find it pointless, very sorry

Yeah its a pain in the arse! waiting for some good advice and getting a pointless retort.

Its like at Christmas when some distant relative gives you a keyring thats wrapped in a box big enough for a microwave.

[mister.koz]

Spelling nazi's what?

Another red mark for cruelty to the common apostrophe.:done:

Starting a thread like this is the KB equivalent of wearing a sign saying "Kick me"....

hehe, yeah its a bit of a messy one.

For the most part its just annoying :P

[Assasin]

Check this out

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=87222

First Post :lol:

[mister.koz]

Check this out

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=87222

First Post :lol:

:shit: yeah that was really hard to read. I can see the need for a bit of "guidence" for that one.

[sunhuntin]

kb has spellcheck??

im a spelling nut, but i dont bother pointing it out online. however, i do correct spelling mistakes on newsletters at work etc. as far as capital letters and all that guff, i dont bother using it on the computer cos i cant be arsed. however, my writing is perfect.

[slofox]

Well I've had a good laugh over this thread - now I'd better go and do some real work........ngngngngrrrrrrrr

[MotoGirl]

I wish poor spelling and grammar was easy to ignore, but it's not. In fact, I find that it distracts me from the message the writer is trying to get across.

I'm not being anal and looking for poor writing, but I do notice it because I have spent years writing and reviewing documentation.

[Mikkel]

I am sure you got a gold star at school well done.

Yet another thing about which you are wrong. :laugh:

I sucked at spelling, incidentally that taught me how to use a dictionary (www.dictionary.com). <_<

[James Deuce]

I am now prostate with laughter.

[Mikkel]

I am now prostate with laughter.

In that case I hope the toilet isn't far away.

[vifferman]

kb has spellcheck??
Yeah - here it goes; marvel as it does its thing:



Yeah it's a pain in the arse! Waiting for some good advice and getting a pointless retort.

It's like at Christmas when some distant relative gives you a keyring that's wrapped in a box big enough for a microwave.


Hehe, yeah, it's a bit of a messy one.

For the most part it's just annoying :P


:shit: Yeah, that was really hard to read.

[sunhuntin]

wow. amazing.

i think theres more need for paragraph and punctuation check. i find that harder to read than misspelled words.

[mister.koz]

Yeah - here it goes; marvel as it does its thing:

LOL ok, that was great :)

[pzkpfw]

Should there be a captial "N" (and "S") in the title?

[MSTRS]

i think theres more need for paragraph and punctuation check. i find that harder to read than misspelled words.

No. No. No.
There's a need for all of it. And not only spelling etc. The incorrect use of words gets me all upset, too.
For example...how often does one see the term 'quiet annoying'? When what is (probably) meant is 'quite annoying'. :nono: It is.
And I nearly entered such a state when I espied the term 'coma' - when what was meant was 'comma'. :argue: One may ask what's an 'm' between friends...but there is a gulf of meaning between 'riming' and 'rimming'. :devil2:
For example.
:cool:

[sunhuntin]

thats in every second thread on tardme, lol. the spelling there is horrific.

[MSTRS]

thats in every second thread on tardme, lol. the spelling there is horrific.

Don't you mean 'their spelling...' ?
*snigger*

[vifferman]

No. No. No.
Defiantely.

I was looking on TardMe the other day :rolleyes: and I was amazed - nay, my gast was nigh on flabbered! - at how many fucktards couldn't list things in the right category. And it never ceases to confound me how many eeejits can't spell the name of the thing that they're listing for sale. Like "Susuki".
How farkn hard is it (as the actress said to the bishop) to have a look at the label if you're not sure?

[sunhuntin]

Don't you mean 'their spelling...' ?
*snigger*

no i dont actually. :eek:

[MSTRS]

It's the fault of the loony left...infiltrating what was once the finest education system in the world, and then dicking incessantly with it, until it was fucked.
EDIT...there is a saying that the pen is mightier than the sword. I'm not sure that still applies. Afterall, when one is left to work out what was/is meant from a badly spelt and constructed piece of writing...well, one is tempted to take a sword to the ignoramus who wasted all that ink.

[mister.koz]

:clap: :lol: This thread is just getting hilarious, if only i could have spelled everything wrong from my first post.

Bloody good point with the tardme idiots and their bad categorization of things.

Speaking of spelling, does anyone know whether 'z' in words like "categorization" are from an American dictionary or an English/GB dictionary?

[MSTRS]

American....

[Badjelly]

Do people really [c]are so much about spelling? Are people really that bored?

On an average day there are approximately 93,422 errors of spelling, punctuation, usage and grammar on KB, of which 3 get commented on. Which do you think is the bigger problem, the errors or the comments?

[mister.koz]

American....

So the English/GB would use an 's' instead?


On an average day there are approximately 93,422 errors of spelling, punctuation, usage and grammar on KB, of which 3 get commented on. Which do you think is the bigger problem, the errors or the comments?

Fact for useful conversation or unfounded fiction?

[MSTRS]

i just found i got a negitive rep becose i criticizced some1 four corecting mi speiling, it was'nt the criticiszed who repped me by the way.

ill admit my messige mite of been snappy but i see pointless posts in threds all the time and allot of them are to do with speiling.

its quiet annoying when you are waiting for some help/advise from nowlidgable peeple who are in abundance here and you click the "new post to thred ..." link in yore email and get a pointless coment.

do peeple reely are so much about speiling? are peple reely that board?

i dont now how peple find the time!


:clap: :lol: This thread is just getting hilarious, if only i could have spelled everything wrong from my first post.


Fixed. And I agree with you...finding the time/effort to translate and extrapolate the meaning behind some posts can be more than it's worth in terms of what that poster may have to say.
;)

[MSTRS]

So the English/GB would use an 's' instead?



Fact for useful conversation or unfounded fiction?

Yes <gjhfgjhfguyg>

[Badjelly]

On an average day there are approximately 93,422 errors of spelling, punctuation, usage and grammar on KB, of which 3 get commented on...


Fact for useful conversation or unfounded fiction?

Somewhere in between, tending to the latter. I think everyone will agree there are a lot of errors, in some cases enough to make it hard to understand WTF is being sad, more often just rather irritating.

[slimjim]

Yup, was going to mention that.
I'm crap with spelling/grammar, if KB didn't have spell check I think we would all be suffering...



fuck it. has spell check.:gob:..aarr shit..where do you find that.:sweatdrop.

[AllanB]

Speaking of spelling, does anyone know whether 'z' in words like "categorization" are from an American dictionary or an English/GB dictionary?

Iwastaughtmanydecadesagotouse's'inthesecases,asint heEnglishspellingnottheAmerican.

[Hoon]

Spelling is important. First impressions are based on how well you portray yourself and if your post is full of spelling and grammatic errors, people may write you off as a dumbass and treat you as such.
The intelligent people whose advice you are desperately seeking may be put off and dismiss your post after the first sentence.

If someone corrects your spelling don't take it negatively. They are just trying to help. If you take offence at having your flaws pointed out then that is a "you" problem.

[mister.koz]

Fixed. And I agree with you...finding the time/effort to translate and extrapolate the meaning behind some posts can be more than it's worth in terms of what that poster may have to say.
;)

I can't find a graphic that more expressive than combining :eek: and :lol:

I will set all of my auto-dictionaries to English/GB on my computers.


Somewhere in between, tending to the latter. I think everyone will agree there are a lot of errors, in some cases enough to make it hard to understand WTF is being sad, more often just rather irritating.

There are an abundance of errors but surprisingly some of them go unnoticed, although i am guessing than any spelling, punctuation or grammatical errors in this thread will be pointed out quite quickly :cool:

[MSTRS]

Iwastaughtmanydecadesagotouse's'inthesecases,asint heEnglishspellingnottheAmerican.

Fuck me. You remembered some of those lessons...capitals, commas and apostrophes. Pity about the unecessary space...

[Badjelly]

fuck it. has spell check.:gob:..aarr shit..where do you find that.:sweatdrop.

It underlines misspelled words in red as you type. It always works for me (though since I seldom mispell anything I seldom see the red line). Does it depend on the "Message Editor Interface" setting in your User Control Panel? I have "Standard Message Editor with Extra Formatting Controls".

[mister.koz]

Spelling is important. First impressions are based on how well you portray yourself and if your post is full of spelling and grammatic errors, people may write you off as a dumbass and treat you as such.
The intelligent people whose advice you are desperately seeking may be put off and dismiss your post after the first sentence.

If someone corrects your spelling don't take it negatively. They are just trying to help. If you take offence at having your flaws pointed out then that is a "you" problem.

Its pretty short-sighted to judge someone based on their spelling or grammar. Some of the smartest people i know failed English terribly at school, but their mathematics or physics results were in the high 90s.

[mister.koz]

It underlines misspelled words in red as you type. It always works for me (though since I seldom mispell anything I seldom see the red line). Does it depend on the "Message Editor Interface" setting in your User Control Panel? I have "Standard Message Editor with Extra Formatting Controls".

I thought that was Firefox rather than KB?

[MSTRS]

Firefox also has a spellchecker inbuilt

[MSTRS]

Its pretty short-sighted to judge someone based on their spelling or grammar. Some of the smartest people i know failed English terribly at school, but their mathematics or physics results were in the high 90s.

Therein lies the problem. If you want to be taken seriously, you have to 'follow the rules'.
Unfortunately, as you say, some highly intelligent people are dyslexic too. They have to work extra hard to be taken for something more than an illiterate slob. If they don't think the effort of doing so is worth it, then why should the reader?

[mstriumph]

You ought to capitalise "i"s when they refer to yourself.

hmmmmmmm
actually fella, i don't either ... perhaps he has the same slant on it as moi?

my feeling is, i know the rules and choose to break them, for effect, when and wheresoever i feel inclined

after all, it's MY mother tongue just as much as anyone else's and, as long as i'm intelligible, who should care if i add my own slant to the thing?

But i digress ...
insofar as my choosing NOT to capitalise the perpendicular pronoun is concerned, it is an expression of my view of my place within the universe in relation to my fellow man [or woman]

i could just as easily have chosen to always capitalise 'you', 'them', 'he', 'she' etc ......... but i found NOT capitalising the 'i' both less fatiguing and more impactive.

:sunny:

[MSTRS]

I just think it is belittling yourself...

[Badjelly]

I thought that was Firefox rather than KB?

Oh. Good point. I have no idea what I'm talking about, then. SNAFU. :(

[Oscar]

Check this out

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=87222

First Post :lol:

I loved the first reply.
Some idjut having a go at your punctuation and spelling:




nice punctuation and spelling. that barely made any sence at all.

i got this from your post:

hyosung's are crap
the people that own them cant ride
none of them or hummers made it out alive

tm's are crap also?

No capitals, bad grammar and missing apostrophes, but the best bit was where he said you didn't make "sence"...:lol:

[Oscar]

Its pretty short-sighted to judge someone based on their spelling or grammar. Some of the smartest people i know failed English terribly at school, but their mathematics or physics results were in the high 90s.

You are probably correct.
However first impressions count and spell checkers are easy to come by.

[Badjelly]

my feeling is, i know the rules and choose to break them, for effect, when and wheresoever i feel inclined

Personally, I find that prose that follows the usual capitalisation rules is easier to read than prose that doesn't. I assume that people who don't follow those rules are too fucking lazy to bother. Is that the effect you are aiming for?

Edit: Sorry, I have quoted you a bit selectively. You did explain why you don't normally capitalise the personal pronoun. I see your point though I'm not persuaded by it. However a quick search through your recent posts suggests you seldom capitalise the first letter of sentences. That's what comes across as laziness.

[mister.koz]

Therein lies the problem. If you want to be taken seriously, you have to 'follow the rules'.
Unfortunately, as you say, some highly intelligent people are dyslexic too. They have to work extra hard to be taken for something more than an illiterate slob. If they don't think the effort of doing so is worth it, then why should the reader?

I know what you are saying and i agree with you in some cases but there's a fairly thick and obvious line between those that are just nit-picking for simple errors and those who actually have something to add.

Also to note dyslexia is not laziness and its often not even a case of trying harder, there's actually a limited ability to comprehend the mistake.

[mister.koz]

You are probably correct.
However first impressions count and spell checkers are easy to come by.

Shh! you're effecting the stirring!


Personally, I find that prose that follows the usual capitalisation rules is easier to read than prose that doesn't. I assume that people who don't follow those rules are too fucking lazy to bother. Is that the effect you are aiming for?

When it comes to the "i"'s and the "I"'s, i am just lazy :bleh:

[Choco]

Firefox also has a spellchecker inbuilt

:D
Yay for Firefox!

[mstriumph]

Personally, I find that prose that follows the usual capitalisation rules is easier to read than prose that doesn't. I assume that people who don't follow those rules are too fucking lazy to bother. Is that the effect you are aiming for?

ohhhh THAT's a bit harsh :( fucking lazy doesn't enter into it?

i'm aiming for a degree of personalisation to my writings - hopefully drawing the reader into my train of thought rather than just presenting him [or her] with the finished and finite product ......

a few sparse and suggestive brushstrokes on the clean canvas .... indicative rather than explicite ....

...in much the same way as an oriental drawing, i am trying to INVOLVE the observer rather than dictate to him [or her]

"Rules are there for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools"
- my grandad said that [but i think he was talking about speed limits at the time .... :rolleyes:]

[Oscar]

Shh! you're effecting the stirring!





Opps, sorry....









































...er...I think that should be affecting, rather than effecting...

[Badjelly]

Shh! you're effecting the stirring!

Edit: Oscar beat me to it!

[mister.koz]

ohhhh THAT's a bit harsh :( fucking lazy doesn't enter into it?

i'm aiming for a degree of personalisation to my writings - hopefully drawing the reader into my train of thought rather than just presenting him [or her] with the finished and finite product ......

a few sparse and suggestive brushstrokes on the clean canvas .... indicative rather than explicite ....

...in much the same way as an oriental drawing, i am trying to INVOLVE the observer rather than dictate to him [or her]

"Rules are there for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools"
- my grandad said that [but i think he was talking about speed limits at the time .... :rolleyes:]

Thats a very good point and a cool quote i will remember that :)


Opps, sorry....
...er...I think that should be affecting, rather than effecting...

Ok too much laughter, chest hurting.

[mister.koz]

Ps. It was unintentional - i would take credit if it was intended, but i can't.

[mstriumph]

...............

Edit: ............... You did explain why you don't normally capitalise the personal pronoun. I see your point though I'm not persuaded by it. that's the sheer beauty of it ... i'm not trying to persuade, i'm trying to SHARE :yes:


...............However a quick search through your recent posts suggests you seldom capitalise the first letter of sentences. That's what comes across as laziness.

I'm flattered that you should have bothered!

........ but it actually stems from my seeing thought as a flow rather than sound-bites [each of which would be complete in itself]; after all, initial capitalisation is just as easy to do as to not do, no?

Nevertheless, i CAN understand your irritation .... i find myself flinching when i see apostrophe-abuse.

i will try to do better :(

[Badjelly]

ohhhh THAT's a bit harsh :( fucking lazy doesn't enter into it?

"Fucking lazy" is my first impression when I see uncapitalised text. It may indeed be unjust, as first impressions often are.



i'm aiming for a degree of personalisation to my writings - hopefully drawing the reader into my train of thought rather than just presenting him [or her] with the finished and finite product ......


Fair enough. I will read your writings with that in mind.

I'll just reiterate that, for breaking the rules to have an effect, you have to follow some of the rules some of the time.


I'm flattered that you should have bothered!

I didn't spend that much time on it, really!

[Oscar]

Edit: Oscar beat me to it!



...and now, a word from our sponsors:

When I'm being a Spelling Nazi, Grammar Fascist or just a plain old Grumpy Cahnt, I rely on the Common Errors in English website.

No pedant (or pædant to be perfectly pedantic about it), should go on the Interweb without it...


http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html#errors

[vifferman]

No pedant (or pædant to be perfectly pedantic about it), should go on the Interweb without it...
Uhh... that's Interdweeb, Dude. :Pokey:
Just being a pedantrist, is all.... :whistle:

[Badjelly]

Common Errors in English

Thanks. That's the second most useful post I've ever seen on KB! After the one that told me to spray Inox Lanox on my bike to keep the rust at bay.

(Sad, eh? :weep:)

I went to that page and my attention fell on "backslash/slash". It reminded me of the time I heard someone tie herself in verbal knots trying to distinguish between the backslashes that slope forwards and the backslashes that slope backwards. LOL.

(God, that's even sadder! :weep::weep:)

[mstriumph]

...... you have to follow some of the rules some of the time. ahhhh - that's what my grandMOTHER always used to tell me!!

[selectivity can be FUN sometimes ...?!]




...... I didn't spend that much time on it, really!

oh
*retires, hurt*

[alanzs]

Written communication is a way to communicate. If you can't spell or write properly, then it's harder to be understood. Pretty fucking simple really...

[mister.koz]

Thats quite allot of common mistakes :crazy: .

Ever read the book of pi? Easily one of the most boring books ever printed.
http://www.lulu.com/content/311159

Let's not forget this one though:
http://www.engrish.com/

[Oscar]

Uhh... that's Interdweeb, Dude. :Pokey:
Just being a pedantrist, is all.... :whistle:

It really depends on what bit of it yer on.
In order to appear less dweeby, I hang out at the less geeky end of the show, near the popular kids (so people might think I'm "in with the in crowd").

[mstriumph]

Written communication is a way to communicate. If you can't spell or write properly, then it's harder to be understood. Pretty fucking simple really...

--- you only got here at the END of the thread, didn't you ..... it's been FAR too much fun for simple pronouncements - really :sunny:

[Oscar]

Thanks. That's the second most useful post I've ever seen on KB! After the one that told me to spray Inox Lanox on my bike to keep the rust at bay.

(Sad, eh? :weep:)

I went to that page and my attention fell on "backslash/slash". It reminded me of the time I heard someone tie herself in verbal knots trying to distinguish between the backslashes that slope forwards and the backslashes that slope backwards. LOL.

(God, that's even sadder! :weep::weep:)

[hijack mode] Tell me about Inox Lanox...

[Badjelly]

--- you only got here at the END of the thread, didn't you

You mean, this is the end? We could keep this going for pages more.

Those bloody Harley riders, they never wave.

I saw this idiot on a scooter wearing a T shirt. I don't know where you can buy a T shirt that'll fit your scooter, but I saw it, I swear!

[Badjelly]

[hijack mode] Tell me about Inox Lanox...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1735371#post1735371

A spray like WD40 or CRC 5-56, but leaves a more persistent film. Lanolin-based, or so they say.

[mister.koz]

You mean, this is the end? We could keep this going for pages more.

Those bloody Harley riders, they never wave.

I saw this idiot on a scooter wearing a T shirt. I don't know where you can buy a T shirt that'll fit your scooter, but I saw it, I swear!

I was told they don't wave because harley's are so unstable that they need both hands on the bars.

saw a guy on a chopper on sunday, stubbies, jandals, shades, t-shirt and one of those scull-cap helmets. now thats what i call safety.

[naphazoline]

I just found i got a negative rep because i criticized someone for correcting my spelling, it wasn't the criticized who repped me by the way.

I'll admit my message might have been snappy but i see pointless posts in threads all the time and allot of them are to do with spelling.

Its quite annoying when you are waiting for some help/advice from knowledgeable people who are in abundance here and you click the "new post to thread ..." link in your email and get a pointless comment.

Do people really are so much about spelling? Are people really that bored?

I don't know how people find the time!

goes to show the MENTALity of some people.
seems to me like some have nothing better to do then be a :crybaby:

[Badjelly]

I don't know how people find the time!

[mister.koz]

I don't know how people find the time!

I guess people gotta have a hobby eh?

[vifferman]

It really depends on what bit of it yer on.
In order to appear less dweeby, I hang out at the less geeky end of the show, near the popular kids (so people might think I'm "in with the in crowd").
The term "Interdweeb" is all encompassing: it includes the internets, interwebs, intranets, and any other things connecting dweeboids (which presumably could include sexual organs, but let's not go there :blink:)

[vifferman]

I don't know how people find the time!


I guess people gotta have a hobby eh?
Multitasking.
Or more probably/correctly, multitimewasting.

[MSTRS]

i'm aiming for a degree of personalisation to my writings - hopefully drawing the reader into my train of thought rather than just presenting him [or her] with the finished and finite product ......

a few sparse and suggestive brushstrokes on the clean canvas .... indicative rather than explicite ....

...in much the same way as an oriental drawing, i am trying to INVOLVE the observer rather than dictate to him [or her]


Ou la la. Get you, mspretentious...



*retires, hurt*
Mend your ways and we'll say no more about it.
:chase:

[Hitcher]

The BDOTGNZA is wryly amused. It accepts that it is in a minority, but will continue to fight the good fight.

Tip of the day: There is no such word as Im.

[vifferman]

The BDOTGNZA is wryly amused. It accepts that it is in a minority, but will continue to fight the good fight.

Tip of the day: There is no such word as Im.
Are you sure? :confused:
Must be a proper noun then - there's a lot of 'em im's around, like Im the Potent, Im the Portant (or is that "portent"?), Im the Possible, etc etc.

[Mikkel]

hmmmmmmm
actually fella, i don't either ... perhaps he has the same slant on it as moi?

my feeling is, i know the rules and choose to break them, for effect, when and wheresoever i feel inclined

after all, it's MY mother tongue just as much as anyone else's and, as long as i'm intelligible, who should care if i add my own slant to the thing?

Pardon, makes no sense to me... :scratch:


But i digress ...
insofar as my choosing NOT to capitalise the perpendicular pronoun is concerned, it is an expression of my view of my place within the universe in relation to my fellow man [or woman]

i could just as easily have chosen to always capitalise 'you', 'them', 'he', 'she' etc ......... but i found NOT capitalising the 'i' both less fatiguing and more impactive.

Now, let's agree that the literary convention is to capitalise the I, not you, them, he, she, etc. As such you make a conscious effort to make your self-references stand out from the norm. Hmmm, very interesting indeed...


When it comes to the "i"'s and the "I"'s, i am just lazy :bleh:

I doubt anyone were having doubts there. :)


Thats quite allot of common mistakes :crazy: .

And a few repetitive ones as well. :whistle:

[Sniper]

I just found i got a negative rep because i criticized someone for correcting my spelling, it wasn't the criticized who repped me by the way.

I'll admit my message might have been snappy but i see pointless posts in threads all the time and allot of them are to do with spelling.

Its quite annoying when you are waiting for some help/advice from knowledgeable people who are in abundance here and you click the "new post to thread ..." link in your email and get a pointless comment.

Do people really are so much about spelling? Are people really that bored?

I don't know how people find the time!


Put it this way....

You won't be the first and definitely won't be the last.

We have the Spanish Inquisition......

[Beemer]

The BDOTGNZA is wryly amused. It accepts that it is in a minority, but will continue to fight the good fight.

Tip of the day: There is no such word as Im.

I'm here! Present and correct!

I do get annoyed when people say spelling and grammar don't matter as long as the message gets across. I think it DOES matter, depending on who you are giving that message to. If you're emailing your mate and he/she can't spell and doesn't give a toss, you're right, it doesn't matter. If, however, you are applying for a job or asking for help, it does matter.

I do editing for a living so this subject is dear to my heart (and VERY dear to my bank balance!) and I do judge some people by their written communications. I don't come on here and point out all your mistakes unless I can't understand a word you're saying, nor do I send back emails to friends with corrections to their spelling. However, when I am looking at hiring a professional, their written material such as websites, advertisements and brochures, as well as any emails they send me, matters a great deal. If they can't be arsed spelling things correctly and paying attention to grammar, it indicates to me that they are likely to be just as slack in what I am hiring them to do. If YOU aren't any good at this kind of thing, that's what people like me are for - you pay us to ensure your message is clear and unambiguous.

The newspapers are great for errors, especially the ads. Recently Kirkcaldies were advertising naivety sets and today a storage company says if you don't have any cartoons, they can provide them for you!

Nobody wants to be thought of as thick but many people have no problems sending out poorly worded letters that make people think they ARE thick. One editor told me that if she gets any emails from people seeking work that have her distinctive name spelled incorrectly or any other errors, she just throws them in the bin.

As for not using capital letters, that IS lazy and it's just as naff as spelling your name all in lower case.

A letter was read out loud at a meeting I was at last night and the reader had to stop and start several times as well as re-read sections as there was no punctuation. That aptly illustrated just how important grammar is to ensuring your message is understood.

Another pet hate of mine is any business that spells its name in a 'trendy' way - Bladez Barber Shop, Scizzors Hair Design - it's usually hair salons, clothes shops or cafes. I refuse to shop there on principle!

[Badjelly]

As for not using capital letters, that IS lazy and it's just as naff as spelling your name all in lower case.

No it's not. It's quirky and inventive. Mstriumph set us straight on that.

[vifferman]

i could just as easily have chosen to always capitalise 'you', 'them', 'he', 'she' etc .........
PLEASE don't do that. :nono:
I took over from a guy who had a brain fart and decided that a whole bunch of nouns were proper nouns, and therefore capitalised the first letter of each, After nearly 28 months, I'm still finding examples in our documentation that I have to change back to lowercase. While I can use the search function with "Match case" turned on, I can't use the "Search and destroy" option, as it also turns up every sentence starting with a noun, so I have to do the replacement manually.

[Ixion]

..

As for not using capital letters, that IS lazy and it's just as naff as spelling your name all in lower case.



But what if one is a cockroach? Must not an allowance be made for size and poetic greatness ?

[vifferman]

I do get annoyed when people say spelling and grammar don't matter as long as the message gets across. I think it DOES matter, depending on who you are giving that message to.
Yes. No. Depends.
I agree with you, but I'm quite prepared to ignore mistakes on a forum like this, unless they're an obvious sign of fuckwittery, or they're so bad that they make the post unreadable or confusing. But usually I only pick on errors if it amuses me to do so, or they're an amusing faux pas that needs to be highlighted.
Some are eminently forgivable, like when Cajun posts something in a hurry. We know he's dyslexic, so it's actually a huge pain to fix. And I know how he feels, because my brain is rooted and sometimes I get keyboard dyslexia and everything comes out garbled and needs correcting multitudinous times.
Plus (also!), having to do all the writing and editing all day, it's nice to come on here and deliberately mangulate stuff. If I can do that, then I'm not going to pick on someone who has mistakes unless they're obviously due to laziness or fuckwittery. Not that I know how you can tell - I mean, I'm a fuckwit, and it's not always apparent, only when I put my size 45 boot in my mouth. (So... only every other post then...)

[vifferman]

But what if one is a cockroach? Must not an allowance be made for size and poetic greatness ?
Sounds fare.
But only if cockroaches are your usual dinner, and they squeak, sing or otherwise punctuate your meal.

[mstriumph]

Ou la la. Get you, mspretentious...

................
:chase:

pretentious? MOI????

lol ... i give up
- people get narky when i DON'T communicate and narky when i DO :bleh: there's just no pleasing some folk!

[mstriumph]

Pardon, makes no sense to me... :scratch: i don't see why everything should have to make SENSE :rolleyes:




Now, let's agree that the literary convention is to capitalise the I, not you, them, he, she, etc. As such you make a conscious effort to make your self-references stand out from the norm. Hmmm, very interesting indeed...

mmmm interesting indeed - so from your point of view i'm self-agrandising and from mine i'm self-effacing .........

[alanzs]

--- you only got here at the END of the thread, didn't you ..... it's been FAR too much fun for simple pronouncements - really :sunny:

End, beginning, are just words, nothing more. :msn-wink:

Just thinking of all the letters dressed up like little nazis makes me laugh. Can't ya just imagine them goosestepping around, kicking letters that don't get in the proper place? :niceone:

[MSTRS]

... from your point of view I'm self-agrandising and from mine I'm self-effacing ...

You see, it's a matter of interpretation.
If you want 'us' to interpret your writings as you intended, then you need to do all you can to ensure there is no other way to interpret. Tall order? Yes. Impossible? Probably.

[Owl]

I don't like spelling mistakes, but only when I make them. I couldn't give a rat's arse how other people spell, as long as I can understand what they're trying to say!:yes:

[Ixion]

Sounds fare.
But only if cockroaches are your usual dinner, and they squeak, sing or otherwise punctuate your meal.

Well, there is a VERY well respected precedent, y'know.

[Pedrostt500]

i rite guud englanderish.

[Mikkel]

i don't see why everything should have to make SENSE :rolleyes:

Well, that goes with the territory of being intelligible I'm afraid, otherwise you don't make any sense.


mmmm interesting indeed - so from your point of view i'm self-agrandising and from mine i'm self-effacing .........

I'm neither saying it is self-agrandising nor self-effacing - because I wouldn't interpret it either way. If you're consistently refraining from using capitalisation of "I"s and names, I would just assume you were a lazy typist (not nearly as bad as a capslocked fuckwit even by a long shot). If it was just the "I"s, I probably wouldn't pick it up as being any different.
You've explained your reasoning, all I find it, is peculiar and slightly preoccupied with portraying a different-from-the-norm self-image.

[naphazoline]

maybe there should be one of two marks labelling every thread, to determine whether or not it's a correctly spelt,pronounced,capitals, blah blah blah....thread,so that all you perfect people wont have to get annoyed with us non perfects, and our postings.:violin:

frankly,what a load of bollocks!!!
you must be much more superior then i,if you can judge somebody's character that you haven't met,by the way they write a post.:bleh:

lazy???:laugh: maybe in your office jobs criteria.there's no punctuation marks in manual work.:rolleyes:
takes more time sitting on your bum,trying to get it all perfect,while some people have less time on their hands,and are obviously still understood.:msn-wink:

[MSTRS]

...as long as I can understand what they're trying to say!

The reality is that some people's spelling is so bad that, coupled with a total disregard for correct punctuation and grammar, their intent and your interpretation are poles apart. How do you know that you've understood, when guessing is sometimes the only way through?

[mstriumph]

You see, it's a matter of interpretation.
If you want 'us' to interpret your writings as you intended, then you need to do all you can to ensure there is no other way to interpret. Tall order? Yes. Impossible? Probably.

..... ah
but most of what i intend is that people should become involved...
to me, communication in this forum is a collaborative process

i merely suggest my thought - you bring to it your own understanding and interpret it in the light of your own experience and respond accordingly

thoughts are not property, nor are they static ......... in my personal experience there have been many times that someone's RESPONSE to a post of mine has sent me in an entirely new [to me]and interesting direction concerning the subject

KB is an excellent place for such cross-pollination
- and you are a fascinating lot! :hug:

[bear with me - i do know i'm non-standard]

[Oscar]

maybe there should be one of two marks labelling every thread, to determine whether or not it's a correctly spelt,pronounced,capitals, blah blah blah....thread,so that all you perfect people wont have to get annoyed with us non perfects, and our postings.:violin:

frankly,what a load of bollocks!!!
you must be much more superior then i,if you can judge somebody's character that you haven't met,by the way they write a post.:bleh:

lazy???:laugh: maybe in your office jobs criteria.there's no punctuation marks in manual work.:rolleyes:
takes more time sitting on your bum,trying to get it all perfect,while some people have less time on their hands,and are obviously still understood.:msn-wink:


I can't help noticing that you now have plenty of time (presumably after work) to post in a thread on a subject that you say you have no interest in...








...no friends?

[naphazoline]

I can't help noticing that you now have plenty of time (presumably after work) to post in a thread on a subject that you say you have no interest in...








...no friends?

none like you at least:baby:

[Oscar]

none like you at least:baby:

You can't afford me, Big Boy...

[naphazoline]

You can't afford me, Big Boy...

yeah that's right.i'm not into the rich yuppie types

[MSTRS]

you must be much more superior then i...

Nobody is trying to be 'superior'...we are all good at something. Perhaps you can build a better fence than I can? In which case I could learn something from you. What's the difference?
The thing is, I would make an attempt to build a better fence.
But the word-challenged amongst us don't bother, saying it is 'our' problem if we don't understand, therefore absolving themselves of any need to do better.


....you can judge somebody's character that you haven't met,by the way they write a post
It is human nature to judge others on what we see of them. Until or unless we get to know them better, our impression is our reality.

[Oscar]

yeah that's right.i'm not into the rich yuppie types

Jeez, you think I'm a yuppie because I can spell and use correct grammar?

So what part of West Auckland do you live in...?

[Oscar]

yeah that's right.i'm not into the rich yuppie types

Seriously though - didn't you just post this:


frankly,what a load of bollocks!!!
you must be much more superior then i,if you can judge somebody's character that you haven't met,by the way they write a post

Aren't you being just a wee bit hypocritical?

[mstriumph]

Well, that goes with the territory of being intelligible I'm afraid, otherwise you don't make any sense.

Oscar Wilde said "Nowadays to be intelligible is to be found out."
I'm still trying to fathom whether or not i agree with him ... how about you?





...........peculiar and slightly preoccupied with portraying a different-from-the-norm self-image.
i don't mind that as it's quite possibly true -
i find implied arrogance in the fact that the personal pronoun is capitalized when others are not ...... underlining, in every sentence, that I am more important than you.

Truth is that i, personally, don't subscribe to that - and prefer my pronouns to reflect my reality.

[naphazoline]

Seriously though - didn't you just post this:



Aren't you being just a wee bit hypocritical?

yep i did.

but in your case i'm willing to make a exception.:bleh:

after all,isn't this what you wanted?
seems to me you've been waiting for your chance to toss a bit of shit my way.and who am i to deny ya?

[Mikkel]

Oscar Wilde said "Nowadays to be intelligible is to be found out."
I'm still trying to fathom whether or not i agree with him ... how about you?

No, I'm not paranoid. Besides my integrity is 100% rocksolid - there is nothing to be "found out" about. That is not to say I have never behaved in a nasty or underhand manner - but I have always faced the fact, made my peace and moved on.


i don't mind that as it's quite possibly true -
i find implied arrogance in the fact that the personal pronoun is capitalized when others are not ...... underlining, in every sentence, that I am more important than you.

Truth is that i, personally, don't subscribe to that - and prefer my pronouns to reflect my reality.

"I" is specific - "you" is used to directly address one or several people. I don't assume you spell your own name without capitalisation as well. I realise that he and she are bastards in this regards since they are specific - but could perhaps have something to do with being a reference in third person or so.

Whether you subscribe to the thought one way or the other is insignificant. Communication is, at the fundamental level, about conveying information in an efficient and inambigious manner. Certain sets of rules have been developed to further that goal, as such if you want to convey your reality to a reader, in a clear and concise manner, you both need to observe the same rules. Be it proper english, text-speak, french or barking.

[Oscar]

yep i did.

but in your case i'm willing to make a exception.:bleh:

after all,isn't this what you wanted?
seems to me you've been waiting for your chance to toss a bit of shit my way.and who am i to deny ya?

Are you coming on to me?!


I'll have you know I don't swing that way...and if I did, I'd want someone with better grammar than you...:lol:..

[Hitcher]

Are we there yet?

[Winston001]

.......

"I" is specific - "you" is used to directly address one or several people. I don't assume you spell your own name without capitalisation as well. I realise that he and she are bastards in this regards since they are specific - but could perhaps have something to do with being a reference in third person or so.

Whether you subscribe to the thought one way or the other is insignificant. Communication is, at the fundamental level, about conveying information in an efficient and inambigious manner........

Oh dear, and you were doing so well with that epistemological exposition too. :D

It is spelled "unambiguous"........:hug:

Oh, and please also note self-agrandising is self-aggrandising.....

The BDOTGNZA rides again.

Our two chief weapons are fear and surprise. Suprise and fear. Our three chief weapons are fear, surprise, and a fanatical devotio- WHHUUT??! aaaarrrgggghhhhh.......................:bash:

[Oscar]

Are we there yet?

Are we there?

We've been there, back and around the block three times and picked up this big tough tradesman who thinks we're all pussies 'cause we can spell and use deodorant and stuff...

Where have you been..?

[mister.koz]

:corn: this is gettin interesting :corn:

[naphazoline]

Are you coming on to me?!


I'll have you know I don't swing that way...and if I did, I'd want someone with better grammar than you...:lol:..

with statements like you taking the gay out of honda riders:clap:

you should find your type in ya office:buggerd:

[MIXONE]

Are we there?

We've been there, back and around the block three times and picked up this big tough tradesman who thinks we're all pussies 'cause we can spell and use deodorant and stuff...

Where have you been..?

Deodorant hahahahaha.Anyone that knows you Oscar knows that just ain't true.

[James Deuce]

Oh dear, and you were doing so well with that epistemological exposition too. :D

It is spelled "unambiguous"........:hug:

Oh, and please also note self-agrandising is self-aggrandising.....

The BDOTGNZA rides again.

Our two chief weapons are fear and surprise. Suprise and fear. Our three chief weapons are fear, surprise, and a fanatical devotio- WHHUUT??! aaaarrrgggghhhhh.......................:bash:

Hey! English is his 3rd language. I think he's doing pretty well. For a Dane.

[naphazoline]

Aren't you being just a wee bit hypocritical?


i seem to recall someone calling me a "fucktard".
now there's some good gramma for ya.
reason enough to be hypocritcal????

[Oscar]

with statements like you taking the gay out of handa riders:clap:

you should find your type in ya office:buggerd:



I don't work in an office, but I think I'm getting your drift here:


People who can spell are gay.
Handa riders are gay (whatever the fuck a "Handa" is).
Office workers are gay.

[Oscar]

i seem to recall someone calling me a "fucktard".
now there's some good gramma for ya.
reason enough to be hypocritcal????

That would have been after you told me so graciously where the on/off switch was?

No, I'd be a hypocrite if I told you not to call people names.
I haven't.

You may have a case in respect of me calling you a "fucktard" is a wee bit superfluous...anyone reading your posts can make up their own mind on that:laugh:

[naphazoline]

..... and picked up this big tough tradesman who thinks we're all pussies 'cause we can spell and use deodorant and stuff...



they are you words not mine.i didn't call anyone else a pussy,and what you wanna do with your deodorant is entirely your business:laugh:

[Winston001]

Hey! English is his 3rd language. I think he's doing pretty well. For a Dane.

Whooaaa! I'm impressed. Think I'll give him a green. Ta. :Punk:

[Winston001]

they are you words not mine.i didn't call anyone else a pussy,and what you wanna do with your deodorant is entirely your business:laugh:

Excuse me? Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour.....?

[Mikkel]

Oh dear, and you were doing so well with that epistemological exposition too. :D

The what? :scratch:


It is spelled "unambiguous"........:hug:

Bugger me, I actually thought that "in" was a go. Relearned something today I have.


Oh, and please also note self-agrandising is self-aggrandising.....

Yes, I should have been more paranoid. I trusted the grammar and spelling of the person who I was criticising for lacking grammar and spelling. How ironic! :blink:


Our two chief weapons are fear and surprise. Suprise and fear. Our three chief weapons are fear, surprise, and a fanatical devotio- WHHUUT??! aaaarrrgggghhhhh.......................:bash:

...but at least your Monty Python reference is flawed. It seems I win after all Mr. Winston. :yes:

I'll just be lazy and link the transcript (http://orangecow.org/pythonet/the-spanish-inquisition.html) - but you misrepresented the essence.


Hey! English is his 3rd language. I think he's doing pretty well. For a Dane.

3rd? 2nd being body language? You're not too bad for a Kiwi yourself you know :D

[SARGE]

yeah its a pain in the arse!


ass!!.........

[naphazoline]

Excuse me? Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour.....?

fair enough.
if oscar wants to carry this on,he can p.m. me.
otherwise i've had my say.i like him a bit less then he likes me.:whocares:

[Oscar]

fair enough.
if oscar wants to carry this on,he can p.m. me.
otherwise i've had my say.i like him a bit less then he likes me.:whocares:

Unrequited again.
How will I cope...?





















:msn-wink:

[Oscar]

Excuse me? Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour.....?

It was filling in the time between posting over at the terrorism thread, but it's no fun when people take a piss-take seriously.


You got summat you wanna argue about?:shifty:

[Mikkel]

You got summat you wanna argue about?:shifty:

I already told you once.

[James Deuce]

3rd? 2nd being body language? You're not too bad for a Kiwi yourself you know :D

Danish, Kawasaki, and English.

Cheers!

One day your Queen will be Australian. Then you'll have to learn 'strine.

[Mikkel]

Danish, Kawasaki, and English.

I have to admit I've been practicing Kawasaki for a shorter time than I have English. I don't speak it very well yet, but I think I'm beginning to get a fair grasp of understanding it. :yes:


One day your Queen will be Australian. Then you'll have to learn 'strine.

I'd wish. 'strine is ok in my book... but bloody glad they didn't reintroduce French as an official language when we bought in the current Prince Regent.
Time will show if I'm still a Danish citizen when she ascends the throne though.

[Hitcher]

ass!!

It's a disease, I tell you.

[SARGE]

It's a disease, I tell you.

yea..i was wondering where you were Chuckles

[mister.koz]

The what? :scratch:
.....

Epistemological now that's a cool word, so cool I had to Google it.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/epistemological


ass!!.........

:clap: :clap: A perfect retort excellent, I have absolutely no comeback.



Spell check please.

[mister.koz]

yea..i was wondering where you were Chuckles

:laugh::laugh: stop, my ribs.. my ribs... :lol:

[Beemer]

Sounds fare.
But only if cockroaches are your usual dinner, and they squeak, sing or otherwise punctuate your meal.

He could also have meant it as in 'tickets please':whistle:

It's only fair to be fair - or is that whiter than white? I feel a wee touch of paronomasia coming on.

[Winston001]

I already told you once.

I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid. :angry:

[Mikkel]

I'm sorry but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid. :angry:

But I must have paid you since you are already arguing... and don't come tell me that you argue in your spare time. :nono:

[MSTRS]

But I must have paid you since you are already arguing... and don't come tell me that you argue in your spare time. :nono:

Oi you...follow the script or get out.
:innocent:

[Mikkel]

Oi you...follow the script or get out.
:innocent:

What a nazi!

There, back on topic :done:

:D

[Badjelly]

ass!!.........

Thank you, Father Jack. But in NewZild an ass is a four-legged animal and an arse is an arse.

[Winston001]

But I must have paid you since you are already arguing... and don't come tell me that you argue in your spare time. :nono:

huuuummmmm.......doot de do......twiddles thumbs......whistles tunelessly.......eyes ceiling...........checks watch........dum de do.......

[SARGE]

Thank you, Father Jack. But in NewZild an ass is a four-legged animal and an arse is an arse.

heres the thing that really chaps my ASS..you guys cant spell.. seriously

using the NZ rules..

a car smash should be called a WREQUE


a thing that burns should be a FYRE

an exclamation should be a WOUGH!!

the sign showing you how to get in should read ENTRE

dont even get me started on AL-U-MIN-UM or the æ in ENCYCLPæDIA..(where the FUCK is the æ key?????)

[HEADACHE]

English is a bastard language - you a merry cans just say it funny :laugh:


The Maori's twist it to suit them brown selves - rather funny being there are no Maori's left, the rest are of Maori decent which does not make them Maori.


The rest are just lazy or too dumb to know!


Pickup any current novel, magazine and it does not take long to find plenty of spelling and grammatical errors.

[mister.koz]

:corn: this is still interesting :corn:

[MSTRS]

Pickup any current novel, magazine and it does not take long to find plenty of spelling and grammatical errors.

The daily newspapers are full of examples of the failure in our education system. Anyone would think that the janitor does their proofreading, but no...done by those with a degree in English. Probably purchased over the net from the University of Nigeria.

[Winston001]

heres the thing that really chaps my ASS..you guys cant spell.. seriously

using the NZ rules..

a car smash should be called a WREQUE


a thing that burns should be a FYRE

an exclamation should be a WOUGH!!

the sign showing you how to get in should read ENTRE

dont even get me started on AL-U-MIN-UM or the æ in ENCYCLPæDIA..(where the FUCK is the æ key?????)

Read Bill Bryson's "Mother Tongue" which is a very enlightening history of the English language. He points out that some American usages are more correct to the original word than what we consider to be the Queens English. For example, herb, pronounced erb by our American cousins comes from l'erb and we have loaded an "h" onto it.

[Oscar]

heres the thing that really chaps my ASS..you guys cant spell.. seriously

using the NZ rules..

a car smash should be called a WREQUE


a thing that burns should be a FYRE

an exclamation should be a WOUGH!!

the sign showing you how to get in should read ENTRE

dont even get me started on AL-U-MIN-UM or the æ in ENCYCLPæDIA..(where the FUCK is the æ key?????)

This is a whole other can of worms.

Your spelling of "fire" as "fyre" is closer to the Old English original.

As for 'Merican English - it is accepted as being closer to Old English (particularly in places like West Virgina). This is from http://www.englishclub.com/english-language-history.htm


From around 1600, the English colonization of North America resulted in the creation of a distinct American variety of English. Some English pronunciations and words "froze" when they reached America. In some ways, American English is more like the English of Shakespeare than modern British English is. Some expressions that the British call "Americanisms" are in fact original British expressions that were preserved in the colonies while lost for a time in Britain (for example trash for rubbish, loan as a verb instead of lend, and fall for autumn; another example, frame-up, was re-imported into Britain through Hollywood gangster movies).

Edit - That bastid Winston beat me to it...

[MisterD]

heres the thing that really chaps my ASS..you guys cant spell.. seriously

using the NZ rules..

a car smash should be called a WREQUE


a thing that burns should be a FYRE

an exclamation should be a WOUGH!!

the sign showing you how to get in should read ENTRE

dont even get me started on AL-U-MIN-UM or the æ in ENCYCLPæDIA..(where the FUCK is the æ key?????)

Just because we didn't feel it neccessary to have an offical dumbing down of the language like you Septics, there's no reason to wave your inferiority compex around for all to see...

Checks are what I have on my favourite shirt, meter and metre do not have the same meaning and yes, an ass is more properly known as Equus Asinus or better known as a donkey.

If you need help, BDOTGNZA are here for you :niceone:

[MSTRS]

Read Bill Bryson's "Mother Tongue" which is a very enlightening history of the English language. He points out that some American usages are more correct to the original word than what we consider to be the Queens English. For example, herb, pronounced erb by our American cousins comes from l'erb and we have loaded an "h" onto it.

For a poeple that generally have 'more sensible' spellings, why then do the Americanos use an H in writing 'herb'?
I blame the cockneys, myself. After all, it was they what gave us 'ay is for 'orses...

[MisterD]

For example, herb, pronounced erb by our American cousins comes from l'erb and we have loaded an "h" onto it.

Nearly right. Herb is a word with a French origin (herbe) - they don't pronounce the 'h' but we do. Same situation with 'hotel'

[Hitcher]

dont even get me started on AL-U-MIN-UM

On the contrary, I'd love for you to provide a rational explanation for that particular piece of nonsense.

And nuculer, rather than nuclear, while you're at it.

And why Merkins pronounce "second" with a T on the end instead of a D, and all of that faux French nonsense with Herb, but not with Hotel...

[MSTRS]

Youse fullas do realize that Sarge is gunna go postal on your asses, if you keep dissing the 'Can's way of doing things....
:eek:

[HEADACHE]

if you keep dissing the 'Can's way of doing things....
:eek:
no better or worse than those bloody English rapists.


If he is true to his ancestral form, he'll bomb his own village when he attempts to bomb ours. :beer:

[vifferman]

On the contrary, I'd love for you to provide a rational explanation for that particular piece nonsense.

And nuculer, rather than nuclear, while you're at it.
Hmmmm... it's not nonsense to the Mrkns, as they are almost singularly unable to pronounce adjacent vowels, like the "iu" in "aluminium" and the "ea" as in "nuclear". Or even too many adjacent consonants, as in "Antarctic".
Poor things...
And (also) aluminium (http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/aluminium.htm) was originally "alumium", then "aluminum" and "aluminium" was a distinct third choice.

But the dropping of "arse" in favour of "ass" is nonsensical, and has caused them many problems. The Mrknization of Noo Zilund also seems problematic, with people double-confusing the whole issue, saying stuff like, "The Law is an arse".
Some Mrknization is almost sensible, but most is just inane.

[vifferman]

Youse fullas do realize that Sarge is gunna go postal on your asses, if you keep dissing the 'Can's way of doing things....
:eek:
:yawn:

When in Rome?
Adapt or fuck off?

[Mikkel]

(where the FUCK is the æ key?????)

Two keys left of the "Enter" key, right next to ø... on my Keyboard at least. But that's a Danish one so it comes with extra buttons to press! (Actually it doesn't, it just means you have to use [ALT GR]+[random key] for some characters (such as [ ] { } \ etc) which incidentally is fucking annoying if you're writing in LaTeX.

On the other hand the English keyboard sucks whenever I try to write my surname since there is no "ø"-key. (And in quite a few online forms the [ALT]+0248 doesn't work.)

[MSTRS]

When in Rome?
Adapt or fuck off?

True. But does he know that? Friendly fire is still nasty, donchano?

[TOTO]

Yup, was going to mention that.
I'm crap with spelling/grammar, if KB didn't have spell check I think we would all be suffering...

were is tha spill chec ?

[MisterD]

Friendly fire is still nasty, donchano?

Very true, and the Seppos are so good at it too - just ask the British Army :shutup:

[Badjelly]

an exclamation should be a wough!!


wough! Wough!

[Badjelly]

wough! Wough!

Well bugger me. I wrote that "WOUGH! WOUGH!" and some virtual bloody Spelling Nazi somewhere in the system decided that all caps is only for the ignorant (which I'm not obviously) and "corrected" it.

[mstriumph]

No, I'm not paranoid. Besides my integrity is 100% rocksolid - there is nothing to be "found out" about. That is not to say I have never behaved in a nasty or underhand manner - but I have always faced the fact, made my peace and moved on. erm :confused: it was a funny? ... our Oscar made a funny??



"I" is specific - "you" is used to directly address one or several people. I don't assume you spell your own name without capitalisation as well. I realise that he and she are bastards in this regards since they are specific - but could perhaps have something to do with being a reference in third person or so. ..... i really DO feel you need to lighten up a little you know ......


Whether you subscribe to the thought one way or the other is insignificant. if we are being picky, i think 'immaterial' or 'irrelevant' might be more appropriate here ...

Communication is, at the fundamental level, about conveying information in an efficient and inambigious manner. if you are writing a 'how to' manual, yes .... if you are painting the mona lisa, no
.... by the way, the word is 'unambiguous' ..... [don't blame me - you started it .... ]

Certain sets of rules have been developed to further that goal, erm :confused: ... could agree if you'd said 'conventions have evolved to assist that process' mebbe ...?

as such if you want to convey your reality to a reader, in a clear and concise manner, ... 'fess up - you haven't actually read my posts, have you :rolleyes:
you both need to observe the same rules. Be it proper english, text-speak, french or barking. or speed limits?
*she asked with interest*

oh - and of COURSE i spell my own name without capitalisation ... :cool:

[mstriumph]

I already told you once. ohhhhhhhh no you didn't?

[mister.koz]

Well bugger me. I wrote that "WOUGH! WOUGH!" and some virtual bloody Spelling Nazi somewhere in the system decided that all caps is only for the ignorant (which I'm not obviously) and "corrected" it.

I must say this thread has gone on a lot longer than I thought.

(please note the careful capitalisation and the correct use of 's' involved)

:laugh:

[mstriumph]

Bugger me, I actually thought that "in" was a go. Relearned something today I have. .... well actually - no
you can't 'relearn' something you admit to not having learned previously?



Yes, I should have been more paranoid. I trusted the grammar and spelling of the person who I was criticising for lacking grammar and spelling. How ironic! :blink: ... erm - actually the 'who' is superfluous?
... but on the whole i thought his criticism of you was, perhaps, a little harsh - in the interests of communication and establishing common ground, when replying to a quote i quite often repeat the poster's misspellings ... you could have been doing the same?




...but at least your Monty Python reference is flawed. It seems I win after all Mr. Winston. :yes: yes ... sometimes winning is inevitable


I'll just be lazy and link the transcript (http://orangecow.org/pythonet/the-spanish-inquisition.html) - but you misrepresented the essence. .... back to the mona lisa analogy :laugh:

[Winston001]

I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!

[Winston001]

But i digress ...
insofar as my choosing NOT to capitalise the perpendicular pronoun is concerned, it is an expression of my view of my place within the universe in relation to my fellow man [or woman]

:sunny:

Nice, I like it. Nothing wrong with deliberately choosing an idiosyncrasy so long as you are consistent, which you are. Its careless spelling which makes a post incomprehensible that irritates a few of us.

As for Mikkel's postulation of Rules (of grammar) - I'm afraid I have to agree with him. These are not a Convention - if they were we'd have no comprehensible common language at all. Mind you, this is a losing battle if the spelling and grammar displayed in newspapers and on websites is any indication. :devil2:

My work requires the reading, understanding and construction of letters and documents. Three paragraphs can take half an hour on a sensitive or complicated issue. Getting not only the spelling but the very best words to convey an unambiguous meaning takes concentration - but it's almost impossible to explain that to anyone not doing the same. :clap:

[Brooke]

I just found i got a negative rep because i criticized someone for correcting my spelling, it wasn't the criticized who repped me by the way.

I'll admit my message might have been snappy but i see pointless posts in threads all the time and allot of them are to do with spelling.

Its quite annoying when you are waiting for some help/advice from knowledgeable people who are in abundance here and you click the "new post to thread ..." link in your email and get a pointless comment.

Do people really are so much about spelling? Are people really that bored?

I don't know how people find the time!

Oh the crappy PC world we live in these days! I say bring the 60's back!

[Beemer]

Oh the crappy PC world we live in these days! I say bring the 60's back!

Yes PLEASE - back in those days nearly everyone could spell or at least they knew how to use a dictionary if they didn't! There was no text language or gangsta rap. By the way, there is no apostrophe in 60s either...

[MSTRS]

By the way, there is no apostrophe in 60s either...

So ... you are trying to tell us that the apostrophe is a fairly new invention?
:innocent:

[Badjelly]

By the way, there is no apostrophe in 60s either...


So ... you are trying to tell us that the apostrophe is a fairly new invention?

No, he meant there is no apostrophe in "60s". ... Though there is one in "60's".

[MSTRS]

You's correct.
(since I refer to the single 'you' ie Badjelly, not all the other yous that are here, I believe the contraction in the above to be correct)

[vifferman]

Actual, there is an apostrophe in "sixties" if you are talking about the 1960s, as in '60s.

[Badjelly]

You's correct.

I's grateful for your support.

[MSTRS]

Actual, there is an apostrophe in "sixties" if you are talking about the 1960s, as in '60s.

True, dat.
To be correct in the apostrophe use when talking decades, the below should help...
1. The 60s were a time of peace, love and mungg beans. (refers to a number of years greater than 1)
2. The preceding sentence is about the 60's peace, love and mungg beans. (refers to something belonging to the said decade - although some BDOTGNZA members will have us believe that non-human items cannot be said to have the ability to be possessive)
3. 60's the year the decade started. (contraction of '60 is')

[Badjelly]

The 60s were a time of peace, love and mungg beans. (refers to a number of years greater than 1). The preceding sentence is about the peace, love and mungg beans of the 60's.

Kiwibiker members are a disputatious bunch. The preceding sentence is about the disputatiousness of Kiwibiker member's. I think not.

[MSTRS]

Kiwibiker members are a disputatious bunch. The preceding sentence is about the disputatiousness of Kiwibiker member's. I think not.

Should that not read "Kiwibiker's members" ?

[Badjelly]

This business of adding "apostrophe s" to irregular words, like numerals, letters and acronyms, to form the plural is problematic. (It doubtless encourages people to add "apostrophe s" to form plurals willy nilly. I mean, "Barry's Bus's" for heaven's sake!) I don't know exactly how or why it (meaning "apostrophe s" on irregular words) arose, but it is common and arguably correct in some situations. Perhaps the apostrophe is supposed to stand for the missing words in an abbreviation, eg. "You should be careful how you pluralise TLA's". Here the apostrophe might be said to stand for the missing part of "acronym".

I follow the slippery-slope principle and never use apostrophes in forming plurals.

[Hitcher]

I follow the slippery-slope principle and never use apostrophes in forming plurals.

Apart from incorrectly using one in buses...

With few exceptions, apostrophe usage is pretty straightforward. In those exceptional cases the trick is consistency of usage. Some people may consistently do something different, but that does not make it "wrong".

Enough! We have done this to death before.

[slofox]

I must say this thread has gone on a lot longer than I thought.

(please note the careful capitalisation and the correct use of 's' involved)

:laugh:


Well maybe this was written specially for you mister.koz........

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=87464

[MSTRS]

Enough! We have done this to death before.

Do I sense a ploderator's warning?

[Winston001]

'ang about - Barrys Bus's what? Back seat? I'm all aquiver here.......:Pokey:

And whut about that 250mph military pig? Does it ride in the bus? :lol:

[Badjelly]

Barrys Bus's what?

There's a company in the northern South Island that has "Barry's Bus's" written on all its vehicles. (They're more vans than bus's .. I mean buses.)

And that, I fear, will be all I have to say on this subject for the time being. I do not wish to further provoke the Balrog.

[PrincessBandit]

errrrr is that APOSTROPHE...perchance...?



Isn't it what Smee had (from the movie Hook) instead of an epiphany? I have apostrophes all the time.......