SH 22 is a disgrace.

[Big Dave]

Puddles of slick black melted road everywhere this afternoon.
Worst I have ever seen any road in NZ - and I've seen some I'm tellin' ya's.
Next BRONZ meeting we have to take some sort of issue guys.

[PirateJafa]

Ride to the conditions?

SH16 is usually in good nick.

[R6_kid]

Ride to the conditions?

SH16 is usually in good nick.

You're taxpayer dollars pay for it to be maintained, and when the work isn't done properly then they're effectively wasting your money.

[Big Dave]

Ride to the conditions?

SH16 is usually in good nick.

I got home huh.

If someone said - 'lay some traps for motorcycles' - this is what an efficiency expert would design.

[PirateJafa]

You're taxpayer dollars pay for it to be maintained, and when the work isn't done properly then they're effectively wasting your money.

Nah, thanks to ACC the Government would be lucky to break even with me.

Besides, they need to get the money for the WRBs from somewhere.

[Elysium]

SH1 between Taihape and Taupo is just as bad. So much work is needed to be done and I mean a fresh new layer on the entire stretch around Waiouru and Desert Rd, none of this cheap patch crap that causes more problems then solve.

[stify]

I got home huh.

I someone said - 'lay some traps for motorcycles' - this is what an efficiency expert would design.

but that's part of the hwy 22 joy:niceone: an it helps to keep the biker numbers down for us locals to enjoy..

[Swoop]

SH1 between Taihape and Taupo is just as bad.
SH1 dosen't count.

[gijoe1313]

Ahh SH22, my spidey-sense was tingling when I was pootling home on Daisy from chez Quasi's. I was tossing whether to divert onto SH22 for twisty fun time home (along with the bad road effects), but for some reason, just did the easy run home on the SH direct back to Dorkland.

Funny thing happened too ... was on the overtaking bit near Rangiriri and there was a Mitsi who pulled out to overtake in front of me ... he waited till there was a minimum length and then gapped it to get to the front. Leaving me with no room to do my run. Bastard :angry2: deliberate and I could see him chortling in his rear vision mirror as he looked for me.

Meh, it was a good day and I wasn't so fussed.

Then we got to the Hampton Downs straight and I could see he was ahead, I wound Daisy up a bit more, her two stroke motor purring away and then becoming a feline roar. Oh, this the Mitsi did not like - like a scalded cat he put pedal to the medal and booked it. I backed right off as the overbridge was coming up.

You guessed it.

The disco lights display their disarming detonation of a driving error! I could see the lights zipping down the onramp in hot pursuit of the caged convict of carelessness to be :Police: Now by this stage, the Mitsi was really moving so I chortled along and eventually came across the stage and the scene was set. Two stationary vehicles. One with lights, the other ... the Mistsi, I moved over into the right hand lane, flicked my gaze across the driver ... making eye contact and I gave Daisy a typical two stroke tickle. And pootled merrily on my way!

The Biker Gods have measured him. They have weighed him. And they have found him wanting! :Punk: Very dejected he was ... now I am not one for schadenfreude, but it is ironic that I had been the model of courtesy today, allowing cagers to move in and making room for others to turn out/into the busy roads this arvo! Karma? Coincidence? Random Chance? Synchronicity? Whatever floats your boat ... it was working its magic today! :sweatdrop

And yes SH22 needs some sorting out ... but then again I love riding it for those very reasons, it has just about every condition that you could come across in New Zild, great training ground and practise for it I say! :yes:

[slofox]

Puddles of slick black melted road everywhere this afternoon.
Worst I have ever seen any road in NZ - and I've seen some I'm tellin' ya's.
Next BRONZ meeting we have to take some sort of issue guys.

Not just SH22 either BD. SH31 has patches the same and many more roads besides - everywhere there have been patch-ups in recent weeks, the tar is melting right on out again......
The road from Kawhia to Waitomo today was covered in sheets of gravel with signs everywhere stating "ICE - GRIT"....couldn't see any ice though....funny... "Tis the season to be wary....."

[Ixion]

We never had these problems until they sealed it. So, obvious answer, we ask Transit to revert it back to gravel. No more tar bleed Sorted.

And the beauty is, it will work for ANY road with tar bleed problems.

[jrandom]

We never had these problems until they sealed it. So, obvious answer, we ask Transit to revert it back to gravel.

I'd be happy with that.

[scumdog]

No problem from my point of view - it's not even on the SarfEyeland issit??

[Reckless]

Puddles of slick black melted road everywhere this afternoon.
Worst I have ever seen any road in NZ - and I've seen some I'm tellin' ya's.
Next BRONZ meeting we have to take some sort of issue guys.


SH1 between Taihape and Taupo is just as bad. So much work is needed to be done and I mean a fresh new layer on the entire stretch around Waiouru and Desert Rd, none of this cheap patch crap that causes more problems then solve.

Now it will rain and those tar patches will turn to ice like slippery tar stretches. A recipe for disaster that needs addressing in this country. Maybe one day the shocking road condition will be blamed for a death or two. Yeh Right TUI!!!


Ride to the conditions?

I'm not saying you shouldn't but I reckon this is a cop out the authorities use. Slick to good back to slick etc. If a road has 100K speed limit it should be maintained so you can travel safely at that limit. Its transits duty of care isn't it?? So at what point do you say the road condition is so unpredictable or below standard that it becomes a major contributing factor?? Especially for the 4 wheel drive taxi where the driver has no appreciation of what we have learnt due to our biking experience.
They build piss poor roads, Maintain them terribly so you can slide off easily then line them with WRB's to keep you on your side!

I know a lot of you will disagree and maintain the "drive to the conditions" line in any condition presented, but at what point do the conditions become simply to unpredictable for training and experience of Mr Joe blow?

Rant over! :whistle: :beer:

[PirateJafa]

I'm not saying you shouldn't but I reckon this is a cop out the authorities use. Slick to good back to slick etc. If a road has 100K speed limit it should be maintained so you can travel safely at that limit.

I can think of a dozen corners in good nick which I'd love to see you take at the 100km/h speed limit.


Dadadeedo...

I know a lot of you will disagree and maintain the "drive to the conditions" line in any condition presented, but at what point do the conditions become simply undrivable for training and experience of Mr Joe blow?

Generally the minute they hit Auckland. :slap:

But more seriously. The road is not a racetrack and all the rubbish. You should always have something left in reserve just in case.

The worst thing I can think of is unmarked roadworks, but on the whole NZ's roads aren't too bad.If you're having trouble with these roads, you probably need to rethink you riding style.

[nosebleed]

I concur BD, shot down there today as I didnt want to get stopped on R16 (again) and wasn't in the headspace for Coromandel.

But man that was a shocker! made me take R1 home, that did



...signs everywhere stating "ICE - GRIT"....

Same signs are out on R22 slowfox

[Reckless]

I can think of a dozen corners in good nick which I'd love to see you take at the 100km/h speed limit.

Hey I'm not saying you should be able to take every corner at the speed limit Pirate. Not quite sure how you got that impression?




But more seriously. The road is not a racetrack and all the rubbish. You should always have something left in reserve just in case.

The worst thing I can think of is unmarked roadworks, but on the whole NZ's roads aren't too bad.If you're having trouble with these roads, you probably need to rethink you riding style.

Secondly I was giving my opinion on the general poor state of the roads. I don't quite see where I commented that I couldn't handle them, didn't leave anything in reserve or need to change my old farts large safety margin riding style.

BTW not trying to get into a hassle with you mate but I have to disagree I do think our roads are getting to the point (as stated in the first few posts) that they are getting really bad! It was a general over all observation not specific to myself!
The written word seems so harsh sometimes!! LOL!!

[Big Dave]

I was on three wheels today and glad of it.
Used the Can-Am spyder as a conveyance for weekend.
In the prevailing conditions it was quite ideal for 22 too, to be true.

[PirateJafa]

Hey I'm not saying you should be able to take every corner at the speed limit Pirate. Not quite sure how you got that impression?


If a road has 100K speed limit it should be maintained so you can travel safely at that limit.

Might just be me. Besides, I hate all this "road-straightening" bullshit.


Secondly I was giving my opinion on the general poor state of the roads. I don't quite see where I commented that I couldn't handle them, didn't leave anything in reserve or need to change my old farts large safety margin riding style.

BTW not trying to get into a hassle with you mate but I have to disagree I do think our roads are getting to the point (as stated in the first few posts) that they are getting really bad! It was a general over all observation not specific to myself!

My point still stands. The roads aren't that bad. The calibre of many of the drivers in the country is a whole 'nother question however. Although having learnt to drive in a Lada in Russia, I generally consider most NZ roads as silky smooth. :slap:

[Ragingrob]

I agree, did it after not riding for a while and didn't think much of it... Did SH16 then to Waipu yesterday and holy shit sh22 is shite!

[nosebleed]

You weren't at Motomail this morning was ya? There was a guy there on a CanAm setting off with his wife as pillion/passenger/cargo (whatever they call the other person a 3 wheeler) Funky looking thing they are, sharing in the Rotax brotherhood and all.

[Reckless]

If a road has 100K speed limit it should be maintained so you can travel safely at that limit.QUOTE]

Oh I get it badly written by me!

[QUOTE=PirateJafa;1841081]
My point still stands. The roads aren't that bad. The calibre of many of the drivers in the country is a whole 'nother question however. Although having learnt to drive in a Lada in Russia, I generally consider most NZ roads as silky smooth. :slap:

Ok cool, we'll have to agree to disagree. I reckon those slick stretches where the tar is exposed cause alot of grief in the wet. Very hard to read for cagers and some bikers.

[Big Dave]

not guilty. headed straight south

[Goblin]

It's not just SH22. Every road out of Rotorua is in the same state. Seems like every peice of road they have resealed has this problem. I think all the old school road makers have all died off and taken their skills and knowlege with them. Now we have a bunch of young up-starts who have bluffed their way into jobs but have no clue how to make roads that last.

[Elysium]

It's not just SH22. Every road out of Rotorua is in the same state. Seems like every peice of road they have resealed has this problem. I think all the old school road makers have all died off and taken their skills and knowlege with them. Now we have a bunch of young up-starts who have bluffed their way into jobs but have no clue how to make roads that last.

So true. Not like those old 60 year old, pipe smoking road workers we used to have.

[Motu]

Last weekend Rotowaro Rd had the worse case of bleeding I've ever seen,it was a pool of liquid tar from one side of the road to the other....I have tar on my bike and boots (lucky I don't worry about such things).Later I was on SH22 and Hetherington road.....both were pretty good really.This weekend I was on the east side of SH1,and the roads were good,just a few glistening spots that gave me plenty of warning.

[Rodney007]

dont be fooled guys.. that sticky black stuff u can hit at mega speeds, its like hot rubber sticking to your tyres !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XDXD

[Marmoot]

The road is not a racetrack and all the rubbish. You should always have something left in reserve just in case.

When a road dictates that the only way to have something left in reserve is to move at mobility-scooter pace, then the road does have some problem.

[PirateJafa]

When a road dictates that the only way to have something left in reserve is to move at mobility-scooter pace, then the road does have some problem.
No, it's just trying to say you should have invested in some knobblies.

Or chosen your route more wisely.

[Marmoot]

No, it's just trying to say you should have invested in some knobblies.

Or chosen your route more wisely.

1. I am not sure if knobblies are intended for proper road use. Check again, might contravene with your principle of safe riding if it is indeed not fit-for-purpose on normal tar-sealed road.

2. The argument for "chosen your route more wisely" is irrelevant. Roads are meant to be driven on, and if they cannot accommodate this then they are not fit-for-purpose and hence a problem that needs addressing.

[PirateJafa]

1. I am not sure if knobblies are intended for proper road use. Check again, might contravene with your principle of safe riding if it is indeed not fit-for-purpose on normal tar-sealed road.

2. The argument for "chosen your route more wisely" is irrelevant. Roads are meant to be driven on, and if they cannot accommodate this then they are not fit-for-purpose and hence a problem that needs addressing.
Sounds like you need to broaden your horizons (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/content/catalogueViewEntry.aspx?profilePK=all&entryPK=1536).

And since when has the word "road" been synonymous with "racetrack-smooth asphalt with perfect camber and nay a bump in sight"?

As I understand it a road is a vaguely identifiable route from A to B that will keep you from paddock-bashing.


an open way (generally public) for travel or transportation
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

A road is an identifiable route, way or path between two or more places. Roads are typically smoothed, paved, or otherwise prepared to allow easy travel; though they need not be, and historically many roads were simply recognizable routes without any formal construction or maintenance.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road

Bloody pansies need to take some Hard Pills or some Anti-Wusstamines.

[Ocean1]

1. I am not sure if knobblies are intended for proper road use. Check again, might contravene with your principle of safe riding if it is indeed not fit-for-purpose on normal tar-sealed road.

Some of 'em are road legal. Not their intended purpose, to be sure, but they are perfectly safe. Certainly don't have the sheer grip of a modern road tyre, (nor probably even an ancient petrified nylon road item) but they give way more feedback, so arguably safer, at the appropriate speed.


2. The argument for "chosen your route more wisely" is irrelevant. Roads are meant to be driven on, and if they cannot accommodate this then they are not fit-for-purpose and hence a problem that needs addressing.

Guess there's two things that might make a particular piece of road unacceptably dangerous. Either some bits of it are dodgy out of proportion to most of the rest of it, (and therefore effective boobytraps), or your expectations of the road are unrealistic.

[Big Dave]

Hair splitting & semantics don't change the fact that there were parts of the road where the bleed was unavoidable.

[tri boy]

NZ roads are going to the shithouse. Plain and simple. It's not from a shortfall in our taxes, just dopey fuckers in charge of the management and planning.

[Ixion]

Gravel is fine. Potholes, lumps and bumps, I don't mind. Off camber is no big issue. But tar bleed I draw the line at. It's a hidden menace that can't be easily avoided, especially at night or in the rain. Find the ikey contractor who laid it down with cheap shit material and burn him.

[Marmoot]

Guess there's two things that might make a particular piece of road unacceptably dangerous. Either some bits of it are dodgy out of proportion to most of the rest of it, (and therefore effective boobytraps), or your expectations of the road are unrealistic.

I think you've hit the nail right on the head, here.

The melt tar seal can happen without any sign, sometimes right in the middle of the corner, and at times not even noticeable (some melt tar seal spots aren't actually the shiny variety, but rather just simply softer and give way when stepped on).

When they occur, they are definitely out of proportion to the rest of the road, and at times do become boobytraps.

[Elysium]

And lets not forget that SH1 is the main highway of this country so you're going to get tourists who going to be using this road so you'd expect to be at least decent by international standards.

[Big Dave]

Marmoot said booby!

[Ixion]

Mm. Boobies. This thread is no good without pics

[Marmoot]

Marmoot said booby!

when I grow up I wanna be a boobytrap

[PirateJafa]

The melt tar seal can happen without any sign, sometimes right in the middle of the corner, and at times not even noticeable (some melt tar seal spots aren't actually the shiny variety, but rather just simply softer and give way when stepped on).

When they occur, they are definitely out of proportion to the rest of the road, and at times do become boobytraps.

So take that possibility into account before you hit the highways. :rolleyes:


NZ roads are going to the shithouse. Plain and simple. It's not from a shortfall in our taxes, just dopey fuckers in charge of the management and planning.

Problem solved:
<img src="http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4291/r1trailbikehv7.jpg">

[Big Dave]

when I grow up I wanna be a boobytrap

Sucker's game.

[Choco]

So take that possibility into account before you hit the highways. :rolleyes:



Problem solved:


Cheap knock-off imitation of my bike!
The bastards! :mad:

[Madness]

I did 22 in it's entirety for the first time yesterday.

The ride down was fine, left Autobahn at around 10.45 so the sun hadn't had time to do it's thing. Went to Raglan for a spot o' lunch & a natter, first time to Raglan too (very noice).

The ride back up 22 was a shocker. The first patch of wet tar took me by suprise, the rear was boogeying like it was a 70's revival disco. I was now aware of the issue and tried to avoid them best I could. The problem is they're on almost every bend, right on the "line".

My riding companions for the day know the road pretty well. We slowed right down at one point, I wasn't sure why. Then I saw it, the biggest pool of molten tar I've ever seen. It was like a pool of liquid mercury, quicksand, or even a black-hole, ready to swallow my bike like a fat chick on a Donut.

Freaking disgrace alright. Someone is going to get hurt, if not already.

It hasn't put me off 22 though. I'll just pick the days, cloudy is good.

[Mr Merde]

Tell me about it !!!!!!

I live not far from 22, in a place called Onewhero.

The roads on a hot day are trechorus. Especiall the road past the Tuakau bridge going up the hill. I have been living that way for about 1 1/2 years now and have seen at least 10 instances of repair work on this hill.

The last major one was when they removed the surface of the road just before we had that massive storm last winter. The rain washed the road away and to get out of the area we either had to go towards Port Waikato or Pukekawa.

I'm tired of pulling stones off my bike that have been stuck there wirth wet tar. I've had headlights smashed from the gravel kicked up on these roads by other vehicles. Going around corners to find either liquid tar or very loose gravel in exactly the lines that suit a motorbike is a common occurance.

Even my partner dislikes these roads when they are hot as she finds her car covered in stones stuck to the bodywork and the wheels slide in the molten tar.

Whats with the roads in this area. 10 attempts to fix the road by pouring fresh tar down and covering it with gravel. They then rely on they traffic to crush it into the tar. The number of times you look at the raod and swear that it seems to be flowing down the hill is ridiclous. Surely just on proper job would fix it all.

Chris

[prettybillie]

NZ roads are going to the shithouse. Plain and simple. It's not from a shortfall in our taxes, just dopey fuckers in charge of the management and planning.

Here here - this dude knows what he's talking about!

[Oscar]

1. I am not sure if knobblies are intended for proper road use. Check again, might contravene with your principle of safe riding if it is indeed not fit-for-purpose on normal tar-sealed road.



There are a bunch of knobbly tyres approved for road use.
Examples include the Pirelli Scorpion range and the Continental TKC80.
I use the Conti's which are speed rated R or S (170 or 180 kph).

[Big Dave]

There are a bunch of knobbly tyres approved for road use.
Examples include the Pirelli Scorpion range and the Continental TKC80.
I use the Conti's which are speed rated R or S (170 or 180 kph).

And they are are real good road tyre. Noisy - but they hang on like they have soooktion cups ont' knobs sometimes

[Oscar]

And they are are real good road tyre. Noisy - but they hang on like they have soooktion cups ont' knobs sometimes

Basically a soft road compound in a knobbly mould, consequently they last about five minutes....

[Motu]

The stock R65 was shocker on SH22 - but a change of bars and tyres and it's a shit load of fun again.I'm still convinced it's the bikes more than the road.... you are a shit rider when your bike doesn't do what it orta.

Last week turning from SH22 into Hetherington Rd the intersection was cut up and liquid tar - I followed the tandem tyre marks of a truck all the way along Hetherington Rd,it ripped the road up on every corner,and there were black marks right to the next corner.

[DUCATI*HARD]

I did 22 in it's entirety for the first time yesterday.

The ride down was fine, left Autobahn at around 10.45 so the sun hadn't had time to do it's thing. Went to Raglan for a spot o' lunch & a natter, first time to Raglan too (very noice).

The ride back up 22 was a shocker. The first patch of wet tar took me by suprise, the rear was boogeying like it was a 70's revival disco. I was now aware of the issue and tried to avoid them best I could. The problem is they're on almost every bend, right on the "line".

My riding companions for the day know the road pretty well. We slowed right down at one point, I wasn't sure why. Then I saw it, the biggest pool of molten tar I've ever seen. It was like a pool of liquid mercury, quicksand, or even a black-hole, ready to swallow my bike like a fat chick on a Donut.

Freaking disgrace alright. Someone is going to get hurt, if not already.

It hasn't put me off 22 though. I'll just pick the days, cloudy is good.

Yeh,,,abit ugly out there ,,,thanks for the company:niceone:

[Mr Merde]

Just to add to my previous post.

They once again have c overed the road with stone chippings and this time they had a small roller to try and crush the chips into the molten tar.

This was last night going home.

Comming to work this morning the road is a slippery mess of loose gravel for about 4 km.

When the temp goes up and the tar slides down they just cover with stones and hope it goes away

This has to be the 10th attempt at repairing this road in the past 18 months.

[Eddieb]

I rode SH22 yesterday for the first time and couldn't see what all the fuss was about. It was no more interesting than most of the other local roads I have ridden recently. Heatherington Road however was fantastic, far more engaging to ride, smoother, better scenery, less traffic.

I did almost 300km yesterday and in that heat SH22 was no worse than most of the other tar roads I was on, mind you pretty much all of them were in worse condition than the ~140km's of gravel I also covered.

[Big Dave]

Less traffic????

I saw you - old duc with the bodywork windscreen thing? - I was on a Harley.
There were more bikes on that road than cars yesterday

and the road bleed was still filth in places - though not as bad as the day that prompted the first post.

[TerminalAddict]

I went round the south end through waingaro to raglan after work last night.

My arse was tired from puckering when I got to raglan :(

[Ragingrob]

Anyone been down this way lately? What kinda condition is it in at the moment? Planning a bit of a Port Waikato to Raglan and beyond ride this sunday but only really if the road is at least half decent.