My bike is drifting!

[El Santos]

has any1 drifted in a corner ?? the other day this happend 2 me i kept the trottle on lucky i came out of it alive lol but i wanna know wat shud i do if this happens again and harder, shud i give it more throttle? or brake? any sugestions?

jashmiesh

[jrandom]

Snap the throttle shut as soon as you feel the back end step out.

[Hitcher]

Give it death.

[howdamnhard]

Don't give it so much gas so early in the corner,wait until you are straighteneing out.Don't chop the throttle as it may grip suddenly and high side you.Better to go in slow and fast out.Probably not a good idea to grab the brakes whilst leaned over mid corner.

[wbks]

Snap the throttle shut as soon as you feel the back end step out.
Ok you have more experience on the road then me but snapping the throttle closed after loosing grip just sounds like a catastrophic highside waiting to happen, to me:dodge: Unless you don't like jaffas and want him to die:lol: And no brakes either, I've only ever used it to stand the bike up a little in the corner but not anything like controlling a slide...

[Hitcher]

I suggest a proper scientific double-blind trial.

[jrandom]

Unless you... want him to die

Clever boy.

[jrandom]

I suggest a proper scientific double-blind trial.

That's where he takes the corner wearing two blindfolds, aye.

[wbks]

Clever boy.

Cheers!:2thumbsup
Such a bleak bastard you seem to be:hug:

[Gremlin]

It depends.

Mate had his bike step out on him leaving an intersection, kept the gas on, it went further sideways, and eventually highsided him.

Plenty have had the bike step sideways, shut the throttle, and been highsided. Therefore, it completely depends, and normally best not to try drifting it, unless a, you want to try, or b, you like writing bikes off, and normally injuring yourself in spectacular ways.

I've had one of my bikes go sideways on me at 140 around a corner, and while I consider it one of the best feelings I've experienced, it could have gone very wrong when you think about it :mellow:

[Subike]

sliding in a crn, stepping out at the rear, oh yeah! fun,
ride with it, use the momentum of the bike to keep it going, lean into it if nessessary, treat it as if you are on shingle and be ready for that snap when grip suddenly arrives again.
Dont back off the throttle if anything give it a bit more power till you have got around the corner and are headding in a straight line.Weeeeeeee
As much fun as taking a road bike across a wet grass paddock at speed.

In acual fact
I wouldnt have a clue what to do, I just rely on my instinct to survive.
It has happened to me, but cant remember what I did other than I did survive.
:devil2:

[TOTO]

Always make sure you have been riding for a while (10 - 15 min) before trying to push it on a corner - cold tyres have a tendancy to slip. Also, harden your back suspension if possible. Third, next time you buy tyres, get a quality tyre (dual compound) rather than the cheapest thing they have (Guys at Cycletreads give good advice on tyres and good prices too).

[BiK3RChiK]

Have you checked your tyre pressures lately? Also, at this time of year the tar is melting something chronic, so if you can smell it, you should be slowing down a bit - a hint I received from Mr JR recently (thanks, btw :) ) This is the time of year a lot of bikers die so be careful out there...

[wbks]

Hey ElSantos! Why don't you try backing it in a few times?

[vtec]

Haha, JRandom I love you, trying to kill noobs haha. If you are getting it drifting and you aren't riding very hard, you need some better tyres, or you can learn to play with a bit of slide. If you feel it moving out from under you a bit, control it by backing off the throttle, if your not fast enough you might have the back end overtake the front (a bad thing), and if you snap it off completely on a 250 you might highside, but you have to be stepped out quite far for that to happen. I've been lucky enough to never highside a 250 or lowside it from powersliding. All my crashes have been from losing the front end on the brakes or in a corner, or being taken out by muppets.

[YAMASAKI]

you could always do it like Xaus...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL9pV0TMa2Q

two choices:
1. Stay on the throttle and hold the drift (not advisable on the street).
2. Back off the throttle and let the rear regain grip.

Don't touch the rear brake... chances are you'll end up on your arse.

[slimjim]

Snap the throttle shut as soon as you feel the back end step out.


..:drool: :2thumbsup

[Hitcher]

two choices:
1. Stay on the throttle and hold the drift (not advisable on the street).
2. Back off the throttle and let the rear regain grip.

Don't touch the rear brake... chances are you'll end up on your arse.

Three choices:
3. Pray vociferously to one's chosen deity.

[wbks]

Or get your arse off the seat, the throttle on the stops and call yourself mitchell pierce

[El Santos]

ohh fukin great who do i believe now lol

[sinfull]

Yr bike must be over 250 if your power sliding it !
If yr tyres were warm and they aint cheap plastics it must be too soft in the back suspention !
And i quote,
Within given limits normal thinking is that if you want more grip you go softer springing and/or softer damping rates. This can be very far from the truth !!!
Under acceleration, torque imparted through the top of the chain tries to pull the wheel/tyre off the road . The more torque applied the greater the problem !
the rear suspension unit consisting of a spring and damper tries to counteract the effect of chain torque . the combination must be firm enough to keep the wheel pushed onto the road surface but also compliant enough to absorb surface irregularities !

[WuZards-Eugene]

??How far are you stepping it out by. Is it "I can feel the bike sliding, but its not stepped out too far" or "Hey, everything seems to be going sideways infront of me".

If you are in the first catagory, ease off untill you regain grip, then carry on.

If you are in the second catagory, give it some more balls, keep it there and wait for either the corner to end, or the resounding crunching noise of you falling on your ass, one of the two. Most people that try doing awesome drifts knows what it feels like to be raped by tarmac.

[Rodney007]

Haha, JRandom I love you, trying to kill noobs haha. If you are getting it drifting and you aren't riding very hard, you need some better tyres, or you can learn to play with a bit of slide. If you feel it moving out from under you a bit, control it by backing off the throttle, if your not fast enough you might have the back end overtake the front (a bad thing), and if you snap it off completely on a 250 you might highside, but you have to be stepped out quite far for that to happen. I've been lucky enough to never highside a 250 or lowside it from powersliding. All my crashes have been from losing the front end on the brakes or in a corner, or being taken out by muppets.

i agree... id take vtecs advice,.....

theres a sweet spot before your rear tyres slides..... thats where youl go fastest round a corner,

[Rodney007]

Yr bike must be over 250 if your power sliding it !



when you are at full bank i.e leaned right over....... doesnt take much to spin up the rear......250 or 1000


Yr bike must be over 250 if your power sliding it !
If yr tyres were warm and they aint cheap plastics it must be too soft in the back suspention !
And i quote,
Within given limits normal thinking is that if you want more grip you go softer springing and/or softer damping rates. This can be very far from the truth !!!
Under acceleration, torque imparted through the top of the chain tries to pull the wheel/tyre off the road . The more torque applied the greater the problem !
the rear suspension unit consisting of a spring and damper tries to counteract the effect of chain torque . the combination must be firm enough to keep the wheel pushed onto the road surface but also compliant enough to absorb surface irregularities !


sounds like a bunch of crap to me........

[sinfull]

when you are at full bank i.e leaned right over....... doesnt take much to spin up the rear......250 or 1000
This is very true Rodney !
be interesting to find out if he's at full bank ! If so he may have just reached the bikes limits !
But i'm willing to bet he is riding something somewhat torquey

[TOTO]

What is Kenda ?

[westie]

El santos estas loco.
When the rear slides I steer slightly into it, ie rear slides out right I steer to the right. But you must counteract the rear sliding out in the same manner. If it slides out violently then react violently, or slowly if it is slowly going. But beware of imminent high side or tank slapper(not your girlfriend).
Also getting low on the bike helped me out on a few times and gripping with your knees.
Go hard homes

Eldia el peco!

[El Santos]

El santos estas loco.
When the rear slides I steer slightly into it, ie rear slides out right I steer to the right. But you must counteract the rear sliding out in the same manner. If it slides out violently then react violently, or slowly if it is slowly going. But beware of imminent high side or tank slapper(not your girlfriend).
Also getting low on the bike helped me out on a few times and gripping with your knees.
Go hard homes

Eldia el peco!

best 1 so far makes sense, hey gringo kuliao lol

[racefactory]

yeah I don't know why people say you have to be really trying to highside or lose the rear on a 250... When you are fully cranked over with pegs scraping ground... the back end goes weavy and slippy even without power applied.

[El Santos]

yeah this trade me dude makes sense

[racefactory]

I experienced exactly this just the other day... at ''my roundabout'' ... nice sunny day, no cars at all come to this little off-cambered roundabout. Cranked it fully over pegs folding up 45 degrees, leaned over little more, little more and then there... back end just starts weaving and sliding on it's line... if i applied gas it would have just stepped straight out sideways. The difference is you must be having to ride the little bikes really hard to do it... (ground off a significant amount of peg that day) but these little bikes definately seem able to 'drift' as you put it.

This is how hard you need to go to 'drift' the 250's... as you can see i ground away and lost my peg feelers and also the end of the peg itself (note the now slanted peg ends) at this roundabout before it got to that point in traction.. I think it's safe to say that you need not worry about accidentally applying 'drifting' power in normal cicumstances.

before anyone starts pondering why on earth i'd do such a thing... I got a rough fairing set for free, especially for this purpose (car park practice) so i'm not really worried in this respect

[sugilite]

Had you thought about slowing down to avoid drifting in the 1st place?
It's like Russian roulette drifting road bikes, esp smaller ones. yeah sure, you can get away with it some of the time, but the inevitable high side is going to hurt you and your wallet.

Get a dirt bike, take it out on the trails and drift to your hearts content :yes:

[wbks]

yeah this trade me dude makes senseListen here son, just pop the clutch and keep her pinned when ever you feel it about to slide. Don't forget to sit up at the same time. Muchas gracias gringos

[normajeane]

Whoa sounds like fun and boy I would like to see your eyes when it happened just like the eyes of the guys at Wyndham when going through the chicane and ending up in the haybales or barricades. You could smell it.... Anyway don't try this again or your mum will kick your arse

[normajeane]

Ok well the boss is back so I better back off and shuffle off (but i have'nt finished the wine) but i hope you all ride safely and I will continue to ride like a nana on my sporty

[Rodney007]

I experienced exactly this just the other day... at ''my roundabout'' ... nice sunny day, no cars at all come to this little off-cambered roundabout. Cranked it fully over pegs folding up 45 degrees, leaned over little more, little more and then there... back end just starts weaving and sliding on it's line... if i applied gas it would have just stepped straight out sideways. The difference is you must be having to ride the little bikes really hard to do it... (ground off a significant amount of peg that day) but these little bikes definately seem able to 'drift' as you put it.

This is how hard you need to go to 'drift' the 250's... as you can see i ground away and lost my peg feelers and also the end of the peg itself at this roundabout before it got to that point in traction.. I think it's safe to think that you need not worry about accidentally applying 'drifting' power in normal cicumstances.

before anyone starts pondering why on earth i'd do such a thing... I got a rough fairing set for free, especially for this purpose (car park practice) so i'm not really worried in this respect

how does your rear become wavey?

[koba]

I got an old tyre free for my GSX250.
My mate gave it to me coz he put good ones on when he got his.
It was a 4+ year old IRC durotour, the OEM tyre.
I had a much stickier IRC RX01 on the front.
It would slide the rear off roundabouts, even without being anywhere near pegscraping lean but you had to be brutal on the throttle.
They weren't huge slides but it was letting go.

Risk of hurting oneself is quite high pissing about on the road tho.
MB 100 with bald tyres is much more fun and safer in a flat paddock.:scooter:

[racefactory]

how does your rear become wavey?

I don't know how else to describe it really... it just starts weaving about outwards of the turn, as if your front tyre is holding a steady line and the rear wheel is sliding out and back to that line. I'm guessing past there it steps out...

[wbks]

Did you get those pegs like that from the gymkhana thing?

[racefactory]

Did you get those pegs like that from the gymkhana thing?

Not really. I got them like that after going round a roundabout numerous times, gunning it obviously.

As for gymkhana, it is just far too 'flicky' for me to be able to concentrate on getting a smooth and high corner speeds/lean angles.. its more about putting the bike where you want it rather than just gunning it on a set radius curve where you can just lean until you start scraping all kinds of shit to kingdom come.

[wbks]

Your poor viffer!