Electric Car 2.8 sec to 100kph

[Winston001]

According to an item on 60 Minutes a NZ guy has built an electric car which can accelerate through 100kph in 2.8 seconds. It's a sort of sports car and is one-off. Still, that is staggering. It's faster than Ferrari, McLaren, or Lamborghini. If - and I say if, it is true, then the only faster production car is the Bugatti Veyron. Farg!

Even among motorcycles there are only a few such as the Suzuki GSXR 1100 W which would beat it.

[scumdog]

Saw that, kinda seems wrong to have all that grunt and no noise!:eek5:

[wbks]

I thought he said it was in the 3 sec range. But the battery lasts about 160kms (or something really short,) and then it costs something like 70k for a new one. I would think you could make a lot of petrol powered bikes that would smoke it no prob if they built it to go fast as fcuk and only last 160ks. I thought its cool how there is full power all the time though, no waiting for the torque to peak, its all there from 5km/ph to 100

[EJK]

No petrol motorcycle in the future? That sucks.....

[Elysium]

Please....:rolleyes:

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[pete376403]

replace or recharge the battery after 160km?

The tesla battery doesn't need to be replaced for five years, but it needs recharging after about 220miles

http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/perf_specs.php

[slofox]

According to an item on 60 Minutes a NZ guy has built an electric car which can accelerate through 100kph in 2.8 seconds. It's a sort of sports car and is one-off. Still, that is staggering. It's faster than Ferrari, McLaren, or Lamborghini. If - and I say if, it is true, then the only faster production car is the Bugatti Veyron. Farg!

Even among motorcycles there are only a few such as the Suzuki GSXR 1100 W which would beat it.

If you are talking about the "Tesla Roadster" it is true enough - I have heard interviews with the maker......but the Tesla has a slower 0-100 time in commercial production...maybe a different car?
All the same the Tesla sounds pretty far out....

"How powerful is the acceleration? A quick story to illustrate. A favorite trick here at Tesla Motors is to invite a passenger along and ask him to turn on the radio. At the precise moment we ask, we accelerate. Our passenger simply can't sit forward enough to reach the dials. But who needs music when you're experiencing such a symphony of motion. "

Go to www.teslamotors.com for more....

[No FX]

According to an item on 60 Minutes a NZ guy has built an electric car which can accelerate through 100kph in 2.8 seconds. It's a sort of sports car and is one-off.


I only half watched it and it looked to me like an Ariel Atom but with an elec motor, and 2.0L petrol powred Ariel Atoms will do 0-100kph in 2.9sec with gear changes.

Maybe if I ask Santa nicely.......:woohoo:

[wbks]

I should obviously lay off the vodka jellies then, cause I herd replace the battery every ___ kms but yea i think it was recharge every 220 or something

[Winston001]

I only half watched it and it looked to me like an Ariel Atom but with an elec motor, and 2.0L petrol powred Ariel Atoms will do 0-100kph in 2.9sec with gear changes.

Maybe if I ask Santa nicely.......:woohoo:

Yeah you are right. Its not on the TV3 website yet.......but AHA...Google is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed_X1

[slofox]

For Christmas I have asked Santa for an Ariel Atom, and a Tesla.......

[madbikeboy]

I only half watched it and it looked to me like an Ariel Atom but with an elec motor, and 2.0L petrol powred Ariel Atoms will do 0-100kph in 2.9sec with gear changes.

Maybe if I ask Santa nicely.......:woohoo:

Yeah, it was.

Just out of interest, the litre sports bikes would still beat it. The Atom goes well to 60mph, and then sort of runs out, bike keeps accelerating much harder to top speed.

Electric cars are really interesting, they have huge torque. Latest battery technology is about increasing life, but it's also about reducing internal resistance (a capacitor can deliver huge power very quickly, an old lead acid battery (think deep cycle marine battery) can provide power for longer). The best of both worlds would be, err, both worlds.

Electric cars will become more mainstream, but the dilemma is the load that they incur on the electricity grid - in the US, even with coal and nuclear power, most power companies are paying local businesses (with rebates) for reducing their demand - the cost of new power stations is just huge. Coal and nuclear power are about the worst and ungreenest sources of power you could imagine. In NZ, most of our power comes from renewable resources, this increases as each coal powered station is grandfathered.

Imagine however, a world where we had super efficient solar panels on our houses, and where we actually sold power back to the grid. Think one supercomputer versus the power of the internet (distributed model). If we could do that, and STORE the power (which is the real issue), then electric cars would work well. If you measure in kilowatt hours, the sun has more power each hour, than the entire planet would consume in about 18 months...

[nigel]

A guy at work is part of a team that's trying to build an electric racecar. Hundreds of kgs of batteries mounted on the outside for cooling. The coolest thing about the car is not the huge torque, but that it can apply max torque throughout the entire revrange. It's only got two gears and the gearchanges are done by computer, so you just put the pedal to the metal and scream :shit:

[madbikeboy]

A guy at work is part of a team that's trying to build an electric racecar. Hundreds of kgs of batteries mounted on the outside for cooling. The coolest thing about the car is not the huge torque, but that it can apply max torque throughout the entire revrange. It's only got two gears and the gearchanges are done by computer, so you just put the pedal to the metal and scream :shit:


That's pretty neat. I've always wanted to build a solar powered car for that trek across Australia...

[racefactory]

That car may be quick to 0-60mph like you say but after that it will be shit, they all have fuck all for speed beyond that.

To be honest the 0-60mp/100kph test is such bullshit, it tells you fuck all about the performance of the car. I get sick of hearing about it on top gear and the bullshit car programs. The proper test is 0-100mph/160kph... that test is actual useful performance info.

[Tank]

I had to laugh - yes it pushes a Atom (that weighs exactly the same as my left nut) to 100km very quickly.

But if it had to push the same weight as a Ferrari or a Lambo, or worse a family car it would still be trying to reach 100 kph now.

Fuck - I can put a sewing machine engine on a matchbox car and make it go fast as well - but its the real world applications that stuff it.

[wbks]

That car may be quick to 0-60mph like you say but after that it will be shit, they all have fuck all for speed beyond that.

To be honest the 0-60mp/100kph test is such bullshit, it tells you fuck all about the performance of the car. I get sick of hearing about it on top gear and the bullshit car programs. The proper test is 0-100mph/160kph... that test is actual useful performance info.

True. But you know how car drivers like to hear how the new car has a nice new carbon bonnet, or a bigger turbo. And then listen to Richard Hammond share his mass of knowledge about bikes and how we commit suicide by knee sliders:sunny:

[Finn]

Saw that, kinda seems wrong to have all that grunt and no noise!:eek5:

Just add 1 x wife. Problem solved.

I think that it will take a lot longer before electric cars are mainstream. Could you imagine what would happen to our grid if 50% of vehicles in NZ were electric and they were all put on charge at 5:30pm? Someone would have to be shoveling coal pretty fast to keep up.

Not to mention your first power bill... ouch.

New, smaller petrol cars are still cheaper and are less harmful to the environment.

[Ixion]

Because of the torque characteristics of electric motors it is quite easy to build an electric vehicle that has remarkable acceleration. Or a realistically high top speed. Or a acceptably decent range /recharge time. Choose one only.

And there is the nub. Effective electric vehicles are at least 3 technology breakthroughs away. And may never be cost effective over the IC engine. Assuming that not being attached to a grid wire is a requirement.

Why spend a shed load of money and effort trying to build a half way decent car (or bike) using an electric drive, when the IC engine already does the job quite well at far less cost.

[wbks]

If everyone rode zx6r's we could be going a shit load faster and still save the earth with 50 mp/g! :)

[Winston001]

Why spend a shed load of money and effort trying to build a half way decent car (or bike) using an electric drive, when the IC engine already does the job quite well at far less cost.

One reason - internal combustion engines produce hydrocarbon waste = pollution.

If we could have an engine and totally capture it's emissions for later conversion or burial, that might work - but its a bit messy. Better to have an engine with no harmful emissions at all. I have my doubts about the hydrogen fuel cell but there are other ideas being worked on.

[dipshit]

To be honest the 0-60mp/100kph test is such bullshit, it tells you fuck all about the performance of the car. I get sick of hearing about it on top gear and the bullshit car programs. The proper test is 0-100mph/160kph... that test is actual useful performance info.

It bet the paints off a CBR600
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA

[imdying]

Why spend a shed load of money and effort trying to build a half way decent car (or bike) using an electric drive, when the IC engine already does the job quite well at far less cost.Because for all the bullshit artists on the interdweeb, the closest they've come to a water powered car is an electric one charged from a hydro dam.

[Winston001]

To be honest the 0-60mp/100kph test is such bullshit.........the proper test is 0 -100mph/160kph... that test is actual useful performance info.

We'd probably all agree except that in the real world of cars, most of the time they travel at 20 - 80k if you take into account city traffic and clogged motorways. So what a car buyer needs to know is whether his car can get to the next gap in the traffic faster than the other guy.

[Badjelly]

If everyone rode zx6r's we could be going a shit load faster and still save the earth with 50 mp/g! :)

I'm trying to imagine a world in which the only vehicle on the road is the Kawasaki ZX6R. I'm not sure that it would be a good thing!

[slofox]

That car may be quick to 0-60mph like you say but after that it will be shit, they all have fuck all for speed beyond that.

The Tesla is good for 125mph - and is electronically limited to this speed - capable of plenty more if unrestricted.......

[davereid]

Its a great concept car, but you onl have to scratch the surface to see that all it really does is show how far electric cars have to go before they will be useful.

Its the best we have got, yet its not really any faster or quicker than the 2L petrol version.

Its doesn't have lower emissions. The exhaust pipe has just been relocated to Huntly Power Station.

You can't claim it runs on renewable energy, as our renewable energy supplies are already running at capacity.

Any extra network load for new electric cars will be met by coal or oil.

And we can safely assume that the rare metals the battery were made of were dug up with a diesel digger, transported to the smelter on diesel trucks, smelted with coal or gas, before being shipped to the user in an oil powered ship.

It may produce 185 kW, but its 500kg of batteries has only a 25 kW/hr capacity.

So it would be out of fuel in 10 minutes in any real world race.

Fuel cells may be useful, but the hydrogen that powers them mostly comes from natural gas.

And using electricity to make hydrogen from water is terribly inefficient. Especially of you use the natural gas to make the electricity, to make the hydrogen, to make the electricity to charge the battery

Burning Hydrogen is a no-no by the way, as H2O is the by product. And as you know, weight for weight, water vapour is the worst green-house gas.

[racefactory]

It bet the paints off a CBR600
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA

Off topic: You seriously believed that lol? Most people know how rediculously staged top gear is. Add in Jeremy's very strange hatred towards 2 wheels and the bike was never going to win :) . The atom is quick off of the line, granted, but a CBR600?? It would have absolutely destroyed the atom after they'd got some speed up. Given both vehicles using street tyres, a bike like that has incredible turning and braking too, in the right hands. You can also even see from the footage the rider was hardly giving it his all... this is not the first time top gear has done such a thing, believe me.

[Ixion]

Because for all the bullshit artists on the interdweeb, the closest they've come to a water powered car is an electric one charged from a hydro dam.

Y' going to tow a dam behind y'bike?


One reason - internal combustion engines produce hydrocarbon waste = pollution.

If we could have an engine and totally capture it's emissions for later conversion or burial, that might work - but its a bit messy. Better to have an engine with no harmful emissions at all. I have my doubts about the hydrogen fuel cell but there are other ideas being worked on.

Pshww. Pollution, schmollution. Dude, I have two strokes that produce more pollution in 30 seconds than a modern bike in a year. I think I'll go fire Petal up and totally blow away the Greenies calculations for the year. And, luvin' it.

[imdying]

Off topic: You seriously believed that lol? Most people know how rediculously staged top gear is. Add in Jeremy's very strange hatred towards 2 wheels and the bike was never going to win :) . The atom is quick off of the line, granted, but a CBR600?? It would have absolutely destroyed the atom after they'd got some speed up. Given both vehicles using street tyres, a bike like that has incredible turning and braking too, in the right hands. You can also even see from the footage the rider was hardly giving it his all... this is not the first time top gear has done such a thing, believe me.The 2.3L supercharged Atom is faster from 0mph-100-0 than a GSXR1000 isn't it? (for comparison)

/edit: Nope, second, behind the Veyron, the Atom is 3rd

http://www.gizmag.com/go/5805/

Oh, btw, you're deluded if you think that a CBR600 wouldn't get laid to waste by an Atom round a track like that. Hell, even the 1.6L NA version would probably whup it quite badly

[k14]

Electric cars will become more mainstream, but the dilemma is the load that they incur on the electricity grid - in the US, even with coal and nuclear power, most power companies are paying local businesses (with rebates) for reducing their demand - the cost of new power stations is just huge. Coal and nuclear power are about the worst and ungreenest sources of power you could imagine. In NZ, most of our power comes from renewable resources, this increases as each coal powered station is grandfathered.
Grandfathered?? And replaced with what? A wind farm that generates power 30% of the time and take 5 years to get a resource consent. Yes currently we do make 55% (give or take) of power from renewable but if every second person buys an electric car where is the extra going to come from??

The guy in the story said in 10 years they will be everywhere. I'd love to see that happen but it is just way too optimistic. Maybe 30. For a start how many cars now are on the road that are less than 10 years old???

[dipshit]

The atom is quick off of the line, granted, but a CBR600?? It would have absolutely destroyed the atom after they'd got some speed up. Given both vehicles using street tyres, a bike like that has incredible turning and braking too,


You obviously have no idea what a good handling lightweight open-seater is capable of. Such a car will have no problem out-braking a bike into corners and also carry higher apex speeds at the same time.



this is not the first time top gear has done such a thing, believe me.

Other times they have had bike vs car (1098 vs Lamborghini for example) the bike won. Do you think that was staged as well?

[EJK]

I wonder how future will run the F1 or any endurance races. Pit stop for a recharge? Cool!

[racefactory]

You obviously have no idea what a good handling lightweight open-seater is capable of. Such a car will have no problem out-braking a bike into corners and also carry higher apex speeds at the same time.




Other times they have had bike vs car (1098 vs Lamborghini for example) the bike won. Do you think that was staged as well?

Yes the atom would brake better and turn better but for the straight line speed of a CBR? To lose by 4 seconds on a small track like that- lol there is certainly something going on! I've seen it all before on top gear. It's rediculous.

The lambo one was so staged it's not funny, they all are of course- they're only out to make money... Go read some performance magazines if you want to see some real tests of this kind. Not even a modded caterham super 7 can beat a stock gsxr1000 on bruntingthorpe.

[Badjelly]

Burning Hydrogen is a no-no by the way, as H2O is the by product. And as you know, weight for weight, water vapour is the worst green-house gas.

Nope. Water vapour does account for most of the greenhouse effect, but, unlike CO2, it is cycled quickly in the atmosphere. So any extra water vapour you add will be rained out in a short time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#Role_of_water_vapor
http://mustelid.blogspot.com/2005/01/water-vapour-is-not-dominant.html

[dipshit]

Yes the atom would brake better and turn better but for the straight line speed of a CBR? To lose by 4 seconds on a small track like that- lol there is certainly something going on!

Ummm... did you notice how slowly the CBR pulled away compared to how quickly the atom shot by going into a corner? Because it was a small track the CBR had little chance to use its speed advantage.





The lambo one was so staged it's not funny, they all are of course- they're only out to make money...

But the 1098 won with its acceleration and speed advantage. Where a good car will have it all over a bike is braking deep into corners. Bikes are shit at this in comparison.

[Pixie]

Imagine however, a world where we had super efficient solar panels on our houses, and where we actually sold power back to the grid. Think one supercomputer versus the power of the internet (distributed model). If we could do that, and STORE the power (which is the real issue), then electric cars would work well. If you measure in kilowatt hours, the sun has more power each hour, than the entire planet would consume in about 18 months...

Imagine however, a world where we generate power by sticking cables up leprechaun's bums....

Unfortunately, like "super efficient solar panels" they don't exist outside of science fiction

[Pixie]

You obviously have no idea what a good handling lightweight open-seater is capable of. Such a car will have no problem out-braking a bike into corners and also carry higher apex speeds at the same time.




Other times they have had bike vs car (1098 vs Lamborghini for example) the bike won. Do you think that was staged as well?

The Ariel Atom is a great handling car.

That electric thing has 500 kg + of batteries to haul around corners