03 Ktm200 exc 4 Sale

[Reckless]

Yep I've gone and done it bought the 08 Ktm200 so Ktm #1 is for sale!

Tag bars and pad.
Pipe protector snake
Bark busters
Front grab strap
Gripper seat
Bar risers

I don't know how many hours? These didn't have an hour meter.
Haven't had the engine apart but it goes just the same as my other 03 I've just done up cause I hit a tree and drained the water out. So I'd guess its pretty good. Rings, pin, bearing and C clips where about $100 for the 03 so not much to freshen up if you so desire.

Damn good bike for all levels. You'd be hard pressed to out run a well ridden 200 most places. Nearly as much power as my CR250 2T and only 125 size frame. Well delivered usable power. Whang it like a 125 or torque it like a 300!! Great bike. I'm so impressed I bought the 08 model.

Bike shop has offered me 3300 as a trade in.

So KB 4 day special $3800-00 as you see it!

After that I'll take the Barkbusters, pipe snake and the grab strap off (new bike doesn't have them) and T/me it for 4k (or near offer) on Sunday night for a week and if that's not successful I'll trade it, and keep the bits I took off, then you'll be paying shop price for it as I want the new one before Xmas!

So don't miss out if I didn't think it was a good bike I'd not try and sell it on KB!!

PM me.... or Email reckless@xnet.co.nz

btw: Its not tarted up for sale its in its usual condition after Sundays ride at the Sandpit then getting our normal clean.

[warewolf]

I don't know how many hours? These didn't have an hour meter. Standard the EXCs have a speedo/hour meter and a headlight...

[Danger]

Yeah but lots get taken off unless they are used for enduros. First things I took off mine.

Good move Reckless!

[Reckless]

Standard the EXCs have a speedo/hour meter and a headlight...

OK let me rephrase then "my bike" never had a headlight or hour meter during my ownwership.

[Hemex]

Geez!! Looks so different from when I last saw it..although that was after Rupe rode it.. :lol:

[warewolf]

OK let me rephrase then:niceone:

Would be interesting to hear what you think of the suspension of the old vs new.

[Rupe]

took the training wheels off then???

Also took the speedo thing off mine as the batteries ran out and it's one more thing to break when it's dropped.

Good luck with the sale, shes mint so I can't see you having a problem selling.


Any pics of the new one?

[Reckless]

Just a few after a quick wash where its at. I'll have to give it a bit of a tidy up but I never expected a retail sale prepared bike so give me a few days and I'll have it up to standard.

One attached.

[Reckless]

:niceone:

Would be interesting to hear what you think of the suspension of the old vs new.

The 08's been converted back to standard springs, so a bit to light for my body weight probably. The springs are interchangeable even between my 03 and the 08. Forged 6 day fork clamps though. But I imagine it will be to soft for my 98kg incl gear. So I probably won't be able to tell very well.

After I got Danger to do my Cr250 forks. The difference it made by tuning them to my type of riding and weight was huge. I reckon you should allow a few hundy to do it to every bike "old or new" when you buy it (not that I can at the moment). I'm keeping the 03 KTM200 with the dodgy fork seals because I want to swap the springs around as my son that rides it is 15kg lighter then me. So I'll get both sets revalved and fixed up for each of our body weights. My only concern is that I'm selling the bike has the fork springs I'll need, but not having had either 03 bikes forks apart I just have to guess. One of the main reasons to keep the 03 I chose, was because the rear spring is right for my weight so hopefully the standard 08 spring will be ok for my boy and we can get Danger to swap them over. Other than that it was a toss up as to which of the 03 bikes I have is better or worse as they ride the same and go the same??

[Danger]

Reckless the '08 will require a much lighter rear spring due to the differing leverage ratio of the later model bike due to the top shock mount having been moved forward (KTM looking for more rising rate, or progressiveness like a linkage bike). So if the rear spring was correct on your '03 for your weight then it will be way too heavy on the '08. If it was too light on the '03 it might work for you on the '08. And the lighter stock '08 rear spring will be way too light on the '03 bike for just about anyone.
Fork springs can be swapped though if they are the rates you need.

[Reckless]

oh Bugger someone appears that actually knows what they are talking about and blows my theories clean out of the water! LOL!
What weight rider is the stock 08 set up for?
But I do understand what your saying Danger! Now that you have said that, I do remember reading an article about Ktm moving the pivot points to gain a more progressiveness. But I didn't put two and two together and realise this meant different spring rates. They where also talking about rumours Ktm where going to a linkage but we haven't seen that yet I don't think. Oh well might just have to hope the 08 is close enough for me and Ben fills out quickly at 19 that'll happen quite quickly I think. He's way taller than me know. I asked him and he's only 10kg different than me know. Is the 88-250 on there miles out or close? He's about 90kg with gear, I'm 100kg. We set the sags for him roughly before last Sunday and they didn't seem to far our about 105mm rider sag and I forgot the static sag but the top adjustment clamp seems about right not way down or up. I better check it a bit more thoroughly.

[Danger]

The stock rear spring on the '08 200EXC is good for about a 77kg rider, the front would suit about a 70kg rider.
The 8.8 on the '03 would suit a 95kg rider (without gear) which is good for you but a bit heavy for the boy (about 85kg without gear I estimate). The bike needs .46 fork springs to match that 8.8 or .44 would be better with the correct rear spring for your boy but if he is growing into the 8.8 you need .46 fork springs. My preference is progressive springs if replacing the spring but if the straights are close they will do.
These bikes are pretty light and really need the valving adjusted if going up this much in spring rate. In fact the '03 fork rebound valving is ill built to begin with as is the compression valving in all the KTM years.

You need to run more than 105mm sag on the '03 due to the internal top out spring in that shock. You cannot set the sag on the 03 in the traditional manner because of the internal top-out spring.
Set the static sag at 40-45mm. Don't worry about rider sag. As long as you have the proper rate spring for your weight, it'll be fine. Or try this simple method for the '03 bike only. Put the bike on the stand, push the swingarm down to compress the internal top-out spring, screw the adjuster ring down on the spring with 0-1mm preload. Then release the swingarm, tighten the bolt on the adjuster and go ride. None of this applys to the '08 bike! Use this method from my website for the '08 or I can do it for you for free (both bikes actually).
http://proride.co.nz/24001.html

Now if you swapped the rear springs between the two bikes for a bit of fun the '03 with the '08 stock spring would only support a 55kg rider and the '08 with the 8.8 spring would support a 125kg rider (these are just quick calcs because both are off my charts).

The rumours have been around for years about the linkage appearing on the KTM's but for 2010 the rumours are stronger and I've heard from very good sources that they will have linkages on the SX models only, which would be a good move for MX, and a good move to run with the PDS on the off road bikes. I actually prefer the PDS to a linkage bike but I'm not racing serious MX. But I've heard from the horses mouth so to speak (directly from the engineer responsible for the EXC suspension at KTM in Austria) a couple of years ago that the shocks were going back to a 16mm shaft and that hasn't happened yet either so it doesn't seem to matter what the source of the rumours are, they don't always end up in production (actually a source of great frustration to my contact).

[Reckless]

The stock rear spring on the '08 200EXC is good for about a 77kg rider....................................

Looks like I'll end up with 3 bikes and none of the springs front or rear will be perfect for either us. At $250 a set it would have been nice to come out with something to swap and reuse. Oh well thats life bugger it!


You need to run more than 105mm sag on the '03 due to the internal top out spring ................ Use this method from my website for the '08 or I can do it for you for free (both bikes actually).
http://proride.co.nz/24001.html

I'll give that a go thanks for that. Would puting the bike up off the ground on the pit stand so the swing arm hangs be the same as on the side stand and pushing the swing arm down?? then backing the ring off, measure, then adjust back down so it compresses it 1mm be an ok method or have I misunderstood? Be interesting to see what sort of rider sag we end up with? Your web site way is our standard method I've been using.
Secondly thanks for the free offer but I won't waiste your time while I've got the wrong springs in. Once I've saved enough to get them done (keeping these bike now for a couple of years) I'll get you to have a go. Although I'm pretty sure I understand how to do it ok.


Now if you swapped the rear springs between the two bikes for a bit of fun the '03 with the '08 stock spring would only support a 55kg rider and the '08 with the 8.8 spring would support a 125kg rider (these are just quick calcs because both are off my charts).

Interesting? I see the effect of moving those shock mounting points have, completly different leverage on the spring.

Thanks for sharing Danger I'm sure our discussion will be well read by all!

[camchain]

Bike looks great from here Reckless. Enjoy.

A super good strip down, clean/inspection is always a good way to familiarise with a new machine anyway. My 'new' 07 bike, $1000 'get it up to par' budget is out the window already and haven't even taken the jug off yet. All the extra bits and pieces really add up fast. That's dirt bikes for you. You've either just spent money on them - or you're just about to.

Really like the sexy slimmed up rear number plates on newer ones. I compared the 07 and 08 Rear guard/number plate plastics in shop yesterday. Considering some new plastics anyway but a sneaky face-lift doesn't look like an option.

I'm finding my 2hunnerd a steep learning curve, both riding and working on it. Danger's comprehensive explanations and info always interesting. Good suspension set-up so important. I put all damping settings back to standard on mine as a start point but haven't experimented yet. Rebound on forks was 3 clicks different either side, so pays to check these things. Forks had jack-hammer inducing amount of air in them too.

Rough checked sag when I got it, 45 and 130 (and I'm only 80kg sans gear). I'm thinking that preloading the buggery out of a too-soft spring to get 'correct' sag probably a bad idea though. Mate has an Ohlins table that even gives front sag/s, but obviously not going to get an accurate measurement given seal friction, just a rough indication.

Those 6 day triple clamps will have the adjustable offset. So will be interesting to try that out.

Strikes me as very odd that KTM under-springs these things given the 'size' of 'huge' American market. Anyone have any idea why this is?

[warewolf]

After I got Danger to do my Cr250 forks. The difference it made by tuning them to my type of riding and weight was huge. I reckon you should allow a few hundy to do it to every bike "old or new" when you buy itDefinitely, was almost going to add to my question, "but I wouldn't change model years for different suspension as it would still need to be sprung & valved to suit me." :laugh: Youse fellahs ended up having the conversation I wanted to hear anyway. :laugh::laugh:

I've talked to Linton Dean at DAS (CHC), too. He seems to be pretty switched on about KTM/WP stuff. Saving my pennies... then the question is do I do the adventure bike or the race bike first??

I'm just 70kg so I'm pretty much on KTM's standard rider size once you add riding clobber. That doesn't mean KTM's got the springs & damping right though! The '03 fork is woefully stiff in cross-country terrain, my mate's '07 525 works so much better - better valving and more mass of bike to resist the front springs. The '03 shock is shocking but can be made to work. Talking to people like Danger & Linton has helped keep it under control until I can get it fixed. If you know what the trouble areas are, you can minimise them and/or avoid making it worse... so thank you gents!

[Reckless]

I'm thinking that preloading the buggery out of a too-soft spring to get 'correct' sag probably a bad idea though..

Yep bad Idea! Been there on the CR250 before I bought the correct rear spring. What happens is you compress the spring to get the correct sag which shortens the stroke taking any plushness out, making it harsh with little travel etc = a horrible bike. I think you can get the picture.

I'm no expert but you'd probably be better with the wrong sag than preloading the shit out of the rear spring. Especially if your not jumping it and need to stop it bottoming out. Danger will no doubt have the correct opinion but I'd be leaning towards riding a bike that was a but soft for my weight with wrong sag than something wound up like a clock spring. But at 80kg rider weight your not to far off. Looks like I'll have a worse problem than you when I can get down south a pick the 08 up.


Those 6 day triple clamps will have the adjustable offset. So will be interesting to try that out.

yeh just another thing to confuse me and blame!! LOL!!


Strikes me as very odd that KTM under-springs these things given the 'size' of 'huge' American market. Anyone have any idea why this is?

Who knows seems silly, even in their country the people aren't that small I don't think??
Rumour has it Danger pays them so he can keep his turnover up!

[Reckless]

If you know what the trouble areas are, you can minimise them and/or avoid making it worse... so thank you gents!

I think we must also say, that we are not bagging the standard stuff its still really good and ridable but tuning them for NZ conditions and your weight just makes them quite a bit better!

[warewolf]

Yep, true!

The more I know about it and the better I ride, the more I like the 200... and I loved it to start with! :first:

[Reckless]

Bump!!!Bump!!!

[cheese]

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[cheese]

Sorry I got a bit carried away there......

[warewolf]

What is this... a knock-shop? :rolleyes: