what dya all think of this?

[FROSTY]

Just wondering what the general concensus is of this bike here.
http://bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=500523&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
Looks kinda interesting methinks

[Paul in NZ]

Just wondering what the general concensus is of this bike here.
http://bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=500523&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
Looks kinda interesting methinks

Interesting like self flagellation with a rancid hedgehog while riding a unicycle and wearing a brass divers helmet or interesting like I think I will buy this bike?

I'm DEEPLY suspicious of the lack of detail of race mods and the proclaimation it is competitive. Racers don't sell competitive bikes to other competitors unless they are getting something more competitive.... I think...

Paul N

[FROSTY]

aparently the ex owner moved to F2 and traded it in on a new 600
wonder how it would look in yellow

[Motu]

I'd buy it coz it's black.

[ajturbo]

ok frosty... to me that looks sexyer than that rapter you pionted out last night!!!

i have a "thing " for the sv's...give me th emoney and i would get one.... 1000cc of course,,, :banana:

[Sensei]

$6800 top dollar for that & a SV650 in the right hands will be just as quick if not quicker than a 1000cc SV in the tight stuff .
SENSEI

[FROSTY]

black is good hu??--hmm ok and I was thinking kawasaki green

[gav]

Looks like one of those SV rent a racers

[ktulu]

For what its worth I like it, love V twins, imagine that racing with an aftermarket pipe, you'd at least be the coolest on the grid. And I'd favour the yellow

[FROSTY]

Looks like one of those SV rent a racers
funny u should say that gav--thats wot it is exactly

[ajturbo]

$6800 top dollar for that & a SV650 in the right hands will be just as quick if not quicker than a 1000cc SV in the tight stuff .
SENSEI


2 things...
1. i need all the power possible to keep up with todays 150cc
2. i ride 2 up mostly...and i need all the power possible to keep up with todays 150cc

[Sniper]

Still looks like fun to ride

[Kwaka-Kid]

I think its a great bike! Hell id love to be on one :)

But i still dont understand whats wrong with the ZXR400? I personally think its capable of winning races.. and you know what i mean - SV650's dont count.

So if you buy an SV650 and race it, you know how we talk about the people currently racing them (haha sorry svs!). At the end of the race all the 250/400 boys just curse and whatnot about them... I personally just wouldnt want to be the person that everybody is saying behind his back "its all the bike man! shit that bikes got like 10HP more then us how is that fair, see it stomp down the straight of Taupo so much faster then us, that doesnt take skill it takes $$$"

I dunno Tony, as much as id love to be on one, and ive said it before and will say it again, i reckon at the last Taupo meeting you or hoon or whatever put on an SV650 would have most probably come 2nd (to the fast guy on the SV650) But did we show any respect for the guy coming first on the SV650? No, because subconciously we dont class them as being in the same, fair, race.

I dont know if you get what im getting at, as im not sure how to say it, but at the track there is definatly a different tone used when talking to a rider on an SV650, not just because of jelousy, but because we know those bikes have more all round performance then ours stock! And who wants to be racing only 3 bikes on the track? as thats about how many SV650's there are in F3.

I dunno, nice bike, would be fun, i just cant justify the cost, for something that when you do ride hard and properly, everyone will be whispering "yeah but hes on an SV650!"

[TwoSeven]

My problem is that its a suzuki. And we all know that they gave it the moniker SV650 because they couldnt figure out how to spell Suberben Utility Vehicle :)

[Fluffy Cat]

Ya!.I think KK is onto something.When i race against the Duc 900 and SV650's they do not count.Me i 'am racing against the proddy 250's and the proddy 400's.Er whats the point to win when the bike you are on is plainly faster than the others due to cc's?.Why not just get rid of the groupings put a few slower F1 riders in F3 or some TZ250s in there as well!.Just look at some of the jokers in clubmans 150 vs R1 ha ha ha.Whats the point go on someone tell me for f@*& s#@%.They have no balls and should F#@& off and play with someone else.Ooh that feels better!.Back to the sand pit for me i think.Comon peeps really if you cant cut it ride faster,if you cant ride faster practice till you are, don't go buying a bigger bike it's not sporting. :angry2: :done:

[FROSTY]

Yea i hear what you guys are saying but MNZ has said the 650's are in for the next 5 years at least. Interestingly enough Ive done a shit load of research and the truth re HP is a heap different from reality
A good NZ new ZXR400 With a little bit of breathing work is putting out 69 HP -Thats dyno measured HP.
Despite all the bullshit being bandied around the LEGAL sv650 carbed are only putting out 67-70hp at the back wheel. (im not talking the new injected ones that put out truck loads more) Thats actuall Dyno tested HP figures on the SV series bkes that suzuki NZ had a couple of years ago.
Yep they grunt outa corners better than a multi -but thats what a v twin does best.
The Cagiva raptor funnily enough is more grunty yet has the same basic motor.
KK I hear what youre saying -- I cant afford to keep pouring the huge amount of time and money Im doing into mella yella. You could argue Im unlucky --or ya could argue Im a mechanical fuckwit but I just can't handle the head damage of not knowing if my bike is gonna run propperly or not.
Mella yella so far owes me the national debt. to make matters worse After a little frank and open discussion with Hoon I realised Mella yella aint fast -it was just geared better than Hoons bike for Pukie and maybee im a lil more stupid than Hoon on Jennian and the hairpin.So Ive wasted a bucket load of money when I can just hop on a production bike and have no more mechanical worries.
Imm seeing the future and I think the 400 multi is gonna be replaced by the 650 twins when the likes of Mt edens are gonna be able to bring second han ones in from japan dirt cheap soon.

[FROSTY]

Ya!.I think KK is onto something.When i race against the Duc 900 and SV650's they do not count.Me i 'am racing against the proddy 250's and the proddy 400's.Er whats the point to win when the bike you are on is plainly faster than the others due to cc's?.Why not just get rid of the groupings put a few slower F1 riders in F3 or some TZ250s in there as well!.Just look at some of the jokers in clubmans 150 vs R1 ha ha ha.Whats the point go on someone tell me for f@*& s#@%.They have no balls and should F#@& off and play with someone else.Ooh that feels better!.Back to the sand pit for me i think.Comon peeps really if you cant cut it ride faster,if you cant ride faster practice till you are, don't go buying a bigger bike it's not sporting. :angry2: :done:
fluffy --you are missing the whole point of Clubmans racing. Its not about winning races its a class specificly for learner or relearner racers.
Guys like Two smoker ,quazi ,6chris6 ,even MR on his first actual track experience. Its to find out if you want to go racing.
I guess its become a bit of a class for bikes that wont fit in any other class--(joe mead on his bandit1200) but thats not what its about.
First meeting--or even first season mixing it with the big boys in the propper race classes is a pretty daunting exersize to say the least.

Hell I was almost literally shitting my dacks my first race in F3

[Fluffy Cat]

Nah,i did'nt miss the point.I've been watching the races and i have not seen that many new F1 guys around.(nor F2 come to think of it).My first race ever was F3 this season and my first track time ever the year before that.I thought i would be taking the piss if i went for clubmans.As for NZ zxr 400 L models putting out 69 ponies with some breathing work.Well most zxr 400 L models put out around 59 to 63 hp as standard.63hp would be a good one you will get a small gain with an after market pipe but to get to 70hp you will need to do a bit more.Most of the racers in the UK go for a full system and some jetting work.A little bit of match porting and a blueprint will get you a pretty reliable 70hp.There is more to be had with some timing advance volume matched and ported heads(with race fuel).A little bit mor comp and a set of flat sides from an sp are agood idea.As is a larger airbox.Recut valves and blueprint head and you are heading towards 80hp.More if you need it from some crank work and big bore kit.Gets kind of expensive.As you said the 400's are a dying breed.Me i'am on a 250 and started out with 45hp i guess its putting out about 50 to 55hp at the moment.Its a pitty that the SV is such a dull bike to look at and ride as standard.There is no choice more is the pitty at this time.The top sv race bikes are not cheap either.I guess times change but its hard to swallow when its an SV650 :brick: At the end of the day most races are won with a good rider and cash.But we are racing in F3 not moto gp.I thought the idea of F3 was to get you into racing without busting the bank.Guess some people take it kind of seriously.Now if they would only put in a bend on the back straight at Puke that would be interesting.I think its a good idea to have evenly matched bikes in the groups makes it the rider not the bike that makes the difference and i think thats what KK and I were trying to say. :done:

[avgas]

Just look at some of the jokers in clubmans 150 vs R1 ha ha ha.Whats the point go on someone tell me for f@*& s#@%.They have no balls and should F#@& off and play with someone else.
I miss my 2 stroke :angry2: failed oil pump

[FROSTY]

Nah,i did'nt miss the point.I've been watching the races and i have not seen that many new F1 guys around.(nor F2 come to think of it).My first race ever was F3 this season and my first track time ever the year before that.I thought i would be taking the piss if i went for clubmans.As for NZ zxr 400 L models putting out 69 ponies with some breathing work.Well most zxr 400 L models put out around 59 to 63 hp as standard.63hp would be a good one you will get a small gain with an after market pipe but to get to 70hp you will need to do a bit more.Most of the racers in the UK go for a full system and some jetting work.A little bit of match porting and a blueprint will get you a pretty reliable 70hp.There is more to be had with some timing advance volume matched and ported heads(with race fuel).A little bit mor comp and a set of flat sides from an sp are agood idea.As is a larger airbox.Recut valves and blueprint head and you are heading towards 80hp.More if you need it from some crank work and big bore kit.Gets kind of expensive.As you said the 400's are a dying breed.Me i'am on a 250 and started out with 45hp i guess its putting out about 50 to 55hp at the moment.Its a pitty that the SV is such a dull bike to look at and ride as standard.There is no choice more is the pitty at this time.The top sv race bikes are not cheap either.I guess times change but its hard to swallow when its an SV650 :brick: At the end of the day most races are won with a good rider and cash.But we are racing in F3 not moto gp.I thought the idea of F3 was to get you into racing without busting the bank.Guess some people take it kind of seriously.Now if they would only put in a bend on the back straight at Puke that would be interesting.I think its a good idea to have evenly matched bikes in the groups makes it the rider not the bike that makes the difference and i think thats what KK and I were trying to say. :done:
mate I totally agree -The way race meetings are run at the base level is all wrong. Ive always thought that the idea of graded races would work better than the normal classes. A B C D even E grade -determined by lap times in practice for the first race. That way the racing would be well matched.

[gav]

It seems the future for F3 will be 650 twins, its just a shame their is not more to choose from. A grid full of SV650's will be disappointing. F3 was always so cool because you had a variety of bikes, maybe they could introduce pre 1990 600 4 cylinders say?

[FROSTY]

well anyhoo I bought the darn thing anyways.Ill probably finish this season on mella yella and just do a couple of track days on the new beastie.

[6Chris6]

Better start shakin in ya boots you lot because the mighty TZR went for it's first test run yesterday and is running mighty fine :banana:
Still taking it a little easy on the new p and r's but just started to feel the POWER VALVES ( :spudbooge ) kick in before buttoning off.
50 (alledged) ponies of pure power comin to a track near you :lol:

[FROSTY]

ok bruvver--well ya need to be doing 1.11s at pukie first time out then :wari:

[Kwaka-Kid]

you just never know.

We have seen the likes of TS do just that... not 1:11 exactly, but went out there on yah bike and showed us all how it can be done F3 virgin styles, damn he was broke in the hard and fast way.

Anywas from what i saw @ our local racetrack running in the TZR250 all i can say is he is certainly blending in well with the machine - however chris man take it easy, youre already crankin the beast and weaving it faster then its little forks and pogo up and down to keep up with that im afraid that you may find the limit real fast and real hard! :P Take it easy dude, youll be right.

[Two Smoker]

wonder how it would look in yellow

i think it would look like SVS's SV650 with a fairing....

[FROSTY]

guys theres a viffer 400 race bike on trade me real cheapv.

[svs]

just had to rise to the bait for this one...

Since when does the SV cost $$$? I bought mine because it was cheaper than a 400 and I haven't had to spend anything on it in a seasons racing (compare that with mella yella). And I used to race an RGV - The SV is much cheaper to run than that.

More ponies. Don't think you'll find they're that far out. Even Terry Fitzgeralds'. I was talking to him at wanganui and I was suprised how much it wasn't making. And HP isn't everything - In clubmans last year I was running similar lap times to some of the guys on the 600's - They had 30-40hp more than me, so it can't all be down to that.

How much are the 450's putting out these days? Do they count if you're on a proddy 400 or do they not count either.

I still reckon the fastest rider would win. Be it on a 650 twin or a 400 four. Saying that, the SV is a sweet handling bike and has the torque to pull out of corners. Makes it good at twisty tracks like taupo. I didn't have enough power to pass hoon down the back straight at pukekohoe.

Whatever happens, they're not making the 400's like they used to, the 250 2 strokes have dropped out of production too, so what do you suggest should be the future for F3? You can't have everyone running on 10-15 year old bikes, and there has to be some step before you hit F2/SuperSport.

[White trash]

just had to rise to the bait for this one...

Since when does the SV cost $$$? I bought mine because it was cheaper .....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ...... on 10-15 year old bikes, and there has to be some step before you hit F2/SuperSport.


Aggree with all of this. Well done.

[Kwaka-Kid]

cant say i dont agree with anything u say SVS.

And i was one of the first to stand up in another thread and say it had to be SV650's or else F3 will die as the 400's get crashed about.

It doesnt change the fact that the sv stock vs a 400 stock is a far better bike. fullstop.

And because of that there is tension in the air at the meets. and SVS hell dude i reckon ur all good in my books and yeah i raced yah at pukekohe and yeah it was fun :) i honestly aint saying that i dont want SV's in, they have to be allowed in otherwise they have no other class... all im trying to get across is that theres a difference, we are the lower-class race.

And was only really getting that across because i reckon Tony woulda been better off staying on mella yella. for sure.

I work heaps too, and work on everybody elses bikes before my own. and my VFR400 hasnt cost me a cent since i bought it, just about not even in tyres ;). And yeah she "needs" a valve grind, and yeah she "needs" to have the valves shimmed, and for sure while im at it she "needs" to have both heads skimmed. Infact hte simplist thing she "needs" is to be jetted correctly for the home made pipe, and then she "needs" to be balanced.

So i could go do all that and end up with a bill like tonys. But apart from being a little slower is it not still a racebike worth racing?... hell yes! and hell with work "needing" to be done i will still ride her and ride her to the best of my abilities to have fun! Sure as hell is alot more fun having only say 50hp against 60hp if that comes with a $6000 bill, i dont like them apples.

meh. I dunno :) everybody to their own but id rather be racing on a shitter as the underdog then be broke out of racing going for the HP.

[magnum]

shouldnt f3 be about having inexpensive fun and learning your racecraft?talent will always shine thru before$$$$$$

[6Chris6]

talent will always shine thru before$$$$$$

BUGGER!! :laugh:

[svs]

Fair enough KK. Can't argue with you there. I got the SV cos I wanted to race the SV. I did the vicclub winter series in clubmans as they weren't allowed in F3 . The first F3 race I did was you against you guys in akl. I learnt more in that race than 1/2 seacon in clubmans :)

I didn't buy the SV to win in F3 but I can understand the sentiment that if you do want to win in F3 then buy an SV. Its the bike of the moment - who knows what will be released in the next couple of years that'll clean up, and we can go through this whole argument again :)

[ManDownUnder]

Interesting like self flagellation with a rancid hedgehog while riding a unicycle and wearing a brass divers helmet or interesting like I think I will buy this bike?

Paul N

Remind me to never use the words suspicious or amasing around you...
MDU

[Coldkiwi]

umm, why would a 'very competitive bike' still be wearing road tyres? I can't identify the make etc but no self respecting track tyre has grip to the edges unless its a wet or intermediate... and that doesn't look like either to me given the spacing between treads. Makes me suspicious

[Wonko]

Good on you Tony for buying it. It should be more reliable in the short term, and any money that you were going to spend on Mella yella you can now spend on the SV650. You would have needed to upgrade at some time, better to do it now when you can, instead of later when you have to. Hope to see you passing Hoon sometime soon