Wellie - Palmy

[mashman]

Hey all, off up to Palmy North next week from Wellie, yes, just like the title says... loosely. Is it worth getting off before Levin and following SH56 - 57 through Shannon into Palmy or just stay on SH1 and come off at Himatangi? Is it worth the ride? Concerned with road conditions, :Police: etc???

cheers Mash

[Murray]

Hey all, off up to Palmy North next week from Wellie, yes, just like the title says... loosely. Is it worth getting off before Levin and following SH56 - 57 through Shannon into Palmy or just stay on SH1 and come off at Himatangi? Is it worth the ride? Concerned with road conditions, :Police: etc???

cheers Mash

Yes go that way!!!

[Horse]

There's ongoing roadworks about halfway between Shannon & Palmy if you stay on 57, but they're just north of the turnoff to 56 and Opiki so you'll avoid them if you go that way.

IMO even with those roadworks, SH57 all the way to PN is a much more interesting route from a biker's perspective than either 56, or going via SH1 and turning off at Himitangi.

[Her_C4]

Is it worth getting off before Levin and following SH56 - 57 through Shannon into Palmy or just stay on SH1 and come off at Himatangi? Is it worth the ride? ....???

cheers Mash

Hell yes its worth it - compared to SH1. Worth noting perhaps though, that route is getting busier and busier and therefore the chances of coming across a :Police: or two are getting higher. That said - my last four trips through there (and back) were all incident free :niceone::eek:

[Fatjim]

My wife lived up there before we got remarried so I went up there a lot. The drive bores me silly. But the best ride I had on the 998 was in rush hour, Palmy central to Welly central, in 90 minutes. I still remember fondly doing 160 under the Waikanae bridge.

[Colapop]

90 minutes?? What were you buggering around for?

[Murray]

But the best ride I had on the 998 was in rush hour, Palmy central to Welly central, in 90 minutes.

Lundy did wgtn, palmy, killed his wife and child, cleaned up all the blood, then back to wgtn (all in peak hour traffic in a cage) in 3 hours

[mashman]

Lundy did wgtn, palmy, killed his wife and child, cleaned up all the blood, then back to wgtn (all in peak hour traffic in a cage) in 3 hours

So take the family and enjoy riding a bike for the rest on my life without inssesant nagging...

thanks for the feedback... if I get away early enough I might follow the 57 all the way as i'll likely still have some tyre scrubbing to do...

[DrewBroadley]

Go through to Shannon on SH56, then turn left just before you leave shannon over the train tracks.. follow that, until you cross the flood gates, then turn right. Nice windy bit through there with little traffic.

Then take it all the way til you end onto Himitangi road, right to Palmerston North..

Link here on googlemaps: http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=d&saddr=shannon&daddr=-40.470196,175.367889+to:palmerston+north&hl=en&geocode=&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=12&via=1&sll=-40.450755,175.488405&sspn=0.202996,0.30899&ie=UTF8&z=12

[banditrider]

There's ongoing roadworks about halfway between Shannon & Palmy if you stay on 57, but they're just north of the turnoff to 56 and Opiki so you'll avoid them if you go that way.

IMO even with those roadworks, SH57 all the way to PN is a much more interesting route from a biker's perspective than either 56, or going via SH1 and turning off at Himitangi.

Went through there today and the road works are there but not really a problem.

A much better ride through here than the dreaded SH1.

[Wannabiker]

Go over rimutakas, wairarapa and then you have either..
1. Pahiatua track direct to Palmy
2. Woodville and then a. Manawatu Gorge, or b. Saddle Road to Palmy
3. Pahiatua Track, Ballance Road and any combination of number 2 above to get to Palmy.
4. Woodville, Napier, Taupo then to Palmy down SH1.:laugh:

[banditrider]

I like #4. Plenty of other options too...

[Moki]

Go the Shannon way

[mashman]

I thought about heading over the takas, but i thought better of it... just had the snip on friday there, so am looking for gentle sweepies and not taka tighties... and no mammouth rides either (Heh, I'll hit #4 another day)...

I did #1 the day I picked the Prila up... nice bit of road, just had farmers crap all over the place and the odd patch of gravel too, so might give that a miss...

Think the across the rail tracks and over the flood gates looks about right at the moment... cheers Drew... and if i'm ok after that and it's not pissin down i'll loop back down through Opiki to the 56 and do the 57... then on to Manfeild and my first crack at a track...

[korimako1]

Lundy did wgtn, palmy, killed his wife and child, cleaned up all the blood, then back to wgtn (all in peak hour traffic in a cage) in 3 hours

Not saying that you do but, anyone who believes that that drive was done is only fooling themselves. And serious doubts that a bike could do it as well. Petone to Kelvin grove through peak hour traffic and return in 2hours 50 minutes. not rounding it up to 3 hours like the cops and media keep doing. sh*t I have even done it myself.
Actually if you take the call that went to answer phone that the Crown never disputed at 8.13pm its even less time. 2hours 35 minutes. all able to be backed up by evidence by the way.

[haydes55]

Not saying that you do but, anyone who believes that that drive was done is only fooling themselves. And serious doubts that a bike could do it as well. Petone to Kelvin grove through peak hour traffic and return in 2hours 50 minutes. not rounding it up to 3 hours like the cops and media keep doing. sh*t I have even done it myself.
Actually if you take the call that went to answer phone that the Crown never disputed at 8.13pm its even less time. 2hours 35 minutes. all able to be backed up by evidence by the way.


Holy thread dredge batman!

[korimako1]

Holy thread dredge batman!

why not, only crap on telly

[Dangsta]

Go the Shannon way. More interesting than the straights after Levin.....fuck that's a boring ride. :facepalm: I don't think I've ever seen a cop on the Shannon detour either.

[Dangsta]

......actually, your best bet is to take the Shannon detour, go straight through Palmy and carry on to Wanganui....that's a much better ride and a much awesom..er place to visit. GO WANGA'S!!!!!! :woohoo:

[st00ji]

pretty sure the OP has already made the trip, oh about 5 years, 6 months, 3 days and 14 hours ago :P

[Dschubba]

My wife lived up there before we got remarried so I went up there a lot. The drive bores me silly. But the best ride I had on the 998 was in rush hour, Palmy central to Welly central, in 90 minutes. I still remember fondly doing 160 under the Waikanae bridge.

Ok Mark Lundy, the game is up!

[Trade_nancy]

When I was with Telescum - we had a monthly IT mgmt meeting at Herd Street Welly. Left our office in Rangitikei St Palmy about 8am (now is the REBEL Sport store) and it took us 1 hour 30-35 mins. Record was 1 hour 20 mins - by a MORE reckless manager. It is only 130km...so on a good day..mmm maybe.
That was in 1988...in a 2 litre Ford Sierra wagon. Could Lundy have done it 12 years later..? Maybe. Certainly possible. Petone slightly quicker maybe..offsetting the time to get to Kelvin Grove. I'd say he didn't go to Welly at all and made up the story as a very clever alibi.

[korimako1]

When I was with Telescum - we had a monthly IT mgmt meeting at Herd Street Welly. Left our office in Rangitikei St Palmy about 8am (now is the REBEL Sport store) and it took us 1 hour 30-35 mins. Record was 1 hour 20 mins - by a MORE reckless manager. It is only 130km...so on a good day..mmm maybe.
That was in 1988...in a 2 litre Ford Sierra wagon. Could Lundy have done it 12 years later..? Maybe. Certainly possible. Petone slightly quicker maybe..offsetting the time to get to Kelvin Grove. I'd say he didn't go to Welly at all and made up the story as a very clever alibi.

He was in wellington and petone, nothing clever, fact. And all these people who come up with times that they can travel between wellington and pnth. The Police couldn't replicate it, private investigators couldn't replicate it, all FACT and court evidence yet people still insist its possible. Oh and the time frame is 2 hours 50 minutes not 3 hours.

[jellywrestler]

He was in wellington and petone, nothing clever, fact. And all these people who come up with times that they can travel between wellington and pnth. The Police couldn't replicate it, private investigators couldn't replicate it, all FACT and court evidence yet people still insist its possible. Oh and the time frame is 2 hours 50 minutes not 3 hours.

they didn't even try all the options like paekak hill and side roads before palmerston north either

[jasonu]

they didn't even try all the options like paekak hill and side roads before palmerston north either

But was he able to hold his breath over the Himatangi bridge? I never could but that was in the 1970's in a Ford Consul 315.

[korimako1]

they didn't even try all the options like paekak hill and side roads before palmerston north either

sorry to burst your bubble mate but they tried every combination possible to try and achieve the time frame they needed. every option/route failed.

[oneofsix]

But was he able to hold his breath over the Himatangi bridge? I never could but that was in the 1970's in a Ford Consul 315.

Think you mean the Whirokino Trestle Bridge just south of Foxton, must admit we typically call it the Foxton Bridge :facepalm: That's a family challenge whenever we go that way

[jellywrestler]

sorry to burst your bubble mate but they tried every combination possible to try and achieve the time frame they needed. every option/route failed.

not in the articles i read they didn't

[Ender EnZed]

sorry to burst your bubble mate but they tried every combination possible to try and achieve the time frame they needed. every option/route failed.

Were they sticking to the speed limit?

[jasonu]

Think you mean the Whirokino Trestle Bridge just south of Foxton, must admit we typically call it the Foxton Bridge :facepalm: That's a family challenge whenever we go that way

Sounds about right.

[korimako1]

not in the articles i read they didn't

My smartarse answer could be, you obviously didn't read everything. But it came out in court. And again selective reporting by media, it was brushed over except by some.

[korimako1]

Were they sticking to the speed limit?

Is this a wind up?

[jellywrestler]

My smartarse answer could be, you obviously didn't read everything. But it came out in court. And again selective reporting by media, it was brushed over except by some.

i followed it reasonably closely and from what i saw they tried a couple of options but not in depth, i've done this road for years and was very interested in both that aspect and the phone calls and how they could pin point them too.
There are a number of roads once you get to shannon that you can blast along, remmebering on the way up his biggest risk was a ticket, on the way back it would blow his cover, and he didn't have to get back in a certain time frame for an 'appointement' it was not until he returned that he then made a call

[Ender EnZed]

Is this a wind up?

If every route the police used to try to replicate his time failed, I'm wondering why they didn't try driving faster.

[korimako1]

i followed it reasonably closely and from what i saw they tried a couple of options but not in depth, i've done this road for years and was very interested in both that aspect and the phone calls and how they could pin point them too.
There are a number of roads once you get to shannon that you can blast along, remmebering on the way up his biggest risk was a ticket, on the way back it would blow his cover, and he didn't have to get back in a certain time frame for an 'appointement' it was not until he returned that he then made a call

I know this case extremely well, the police and private investigators tried to replicate the drive times using every, repeat every possible route. They even looked at going via the pahiatua track, also every side road or different way into Pnth. they also did it outside off peak hour traffic so they wouldn't be delayed. All attempts failed to achieve the times they needed. Several attempts I might add.
Using Telecom records Mark was in petone and received a call at 5.38 and his phone received a call at 8.13 both through the alicetown receiver, he then placed a call at 8.28pm all in petone. The 8.13pm call was never disputed by the crown so according to the crown he departed petone at 5.38pm drive to Pnth committed the crime and all associated with it. returned to petone 8.13pm. 2hours 35 minutes. IMPOSSIBLE. they use the later phone call at 8.28pm to stretch out the available time. smoke and mirrors throughout and red herrings. At the privy Council hearing the crown accused the defence of Red Herrings, talk about pot calling the kettle!!!!!!

[korimako1]

If every route the police used to try to replicate his time failed, I'm wondering why they didn't try driving faster.

you must be a policemans wife. (blond)

[jellywrestler]

both through the alicetown receiver, wasn't he with vodafone, seriously the telecom master unit is in alicetown, all the others in the hutt are satellites and feed through it

[korimako1]

wasn't he with vodafone, seriously the telecom master unit is in alicetown, all the others in the hutt are satellites and feed through it

No he was with telecom 025 number. was alicetown the master unit back in 2000? they spent hours on this during the trial. being careful to only talk about billing records. both calls through the alicetown receiver were the 5.38 and the 8.13 calls. the 8.28 went through the alicetown but switched to another site during the call.the motel was in an overlap area and the technicians testing the sites had the calls move sites while moving around the motel room.

[breakaway]

How are Mark's cellphone calls admissible? Isn't it possible he gave the phone to a friend/purposely left it there or similar?

[GDOBSSOR]

I know this case extremely well, the police and private investigators tried to replicate the drive times using every, repeat every possible route. They even looked at going via the pahiatua track, also every side road or different way into Pnth. they also did it outside off peak hour traffic so they wouldn't be delayed. All attempts failed to achieve the times they needed. Several attempts I might add.
Using Telecom records Mark was in petone and received a call at 5.38 and his phone received a call at 8.13 both through the alicetown receiver, he then placed a call at 8.28pm all in petone. The 8.13pm call was never disputed by the crown so according to the crown he departed petone at 5.38pm drive to Pnth committed the crime and all associated with it. returned to petone 8.13pm. 2hours 35 minutes. IMPOSSIBLE. they use the later phone call at 8.28pm to stretch out the available time. smoke and mirrors throughout and red herrings. At the privy Council hearing the crown accused the defence of Red Herrings, talk about pot calling the kettle!!!!!!

Is it possible he could have committed the crime unseen in the wee hours of the morning after seeing the hooker? Another thing I am very curious about is his behaviour at the funeral. Not just the supposed 'collapsing episode' that everyone knows about, but I also watched a programme about Lundy where a friend of Christine's said she saw Mark touch a young girl's thigh at the funeral. Not fitting behaviour for someone who's just lost their family.

[GDOBSSOR]

How are Mark's cellphone calls admissible? Isn't it possible he gave the phone to a friend/purposely left it there or similar?

There were lights on in the Lundy household at 11pm. These lights were off the next morning when the police came. This was seen by a neighbour who was talking to his father on his back porch. That means that either Christine was still awake at that time or an intruder had gotten in then and for some reason turned the light on. Since a prostitute testified in court that Mark was seeing her at approximately 11.30pm, his being there at that time would be impossible.

[korimako1]

Is it possible he could have committed the crime unseen in the wee hours of the morning after seeing the hooker? Another thing I am very curious about is his behaviour at the funeral. Not just the supposed 'collapsing episode' that everyone knows about, but I also watched a programme about Lundy where a friend of Christine's said she saw Mark touch a young girl's thigh at the funeral. Not fitting behaviour for someone who's just lost their family.

the wee hours scenario is ruled out by the pathologists. also don't you think if the Police had thought that a later time of death was correct why did they go to such extreme lengths to prove 7 pm deaths. My personal opinion is I think they have undisclosed evidence that proves Mark was in Petone in the early hours.
saying someone touched a person was not fitting behaviour when the circumstances of that touch is not known is a nonsense, indeed if it even happened at all.
everyone grieves differently,In India, wives throw themselves on their husbands funeral pyres, is that fitting behaviour?
I don't know how I would react in this situation. I have seen similar reactions to Marks before, but to have Tv cameras shoved in your face and then only the most emotive clip shown time and time again, is that fair.

[oneofsix]

the wee hours scenario is ruled out by the pathologists. also don't you think if the Police had thought that a later time of death was correct why did they go to such extreme lengths to prove 7 pm deaths. My personal opinion is I think they have undisclosed evidence that proves Mark was in Petone in the early hours.
saying someone touched a person was not fitting behaviour when the circumstances of that touch is not known is a nonsense, indeed if it even happened at all.
everyone grieves differently,In India, wives throw themselves on their husbands funeral pyres, is that fitting behaviour?
I don't know how I would react in this situation. I have seen similar reactions to Marks before, but to have Tv cameras shoved in your face and then only the most emotive clip shown time and time again, is that fair.

No, one of the major problems with the case is that the 7pm time is so suspect based on unproven stomach contents assumptions and all. Also a young child going to bed and hour earlier than usual and meant to stay their on the promise that he will come home from Welly for a bit of nooky when he had meetings in Welly the next day.
The journey would be more able to be done without rush hour traffic providing he stuck to a route he knew extremely well and took real risks. But what about the lack of speed related wear on the tyres and that the gas usage matched the trips he claimed but not the polices and there is no electronic or CTV coverage of him getting gas?
Saw that touching up bit mentioned on "The Darklands" (hope I got the name of the Nigel what's it programme right).
Agreed that reactions differ but not only between countries but also between people. Certain things might be prescribed by religion, law or expectations but every person has a slightly different twist on how they display grief and loss, especially when you add in shock and being accused of causing it.