LOL at the Ninja 250r

[PhoenixNinja]

Have ended the thread here cheers for your responces

[mattian]

Thats not necessarily anything to do with the "ninja" than with the way he rode it. You have to rev the shit out of 4 stroke 250's before dropping the clutch to feel any kind of "get up and go"....... maybe your mate on the bandit just new how to get the most out of his engine.

[cowboyz]

depends what you are looking for. the 250r can get along at a nice pace when asked to. It is a parallel twin so not a lots o HP bike for sure but its also not a 20 yr old bike that has had the shit rung out of it. Resale value on the 250r is very good.

[PhoenixNinja]

Yea like i said the ninja was revin hard and my mate on the Bandit has had his learners for bout 2 weeks now I think and the bike for a week.

but yea just an observation nothing personal to ninja riders

personly love em myself

[Slyer]

It's a sexy bike, but it's no racer, it's a commuter bike really.
The parallel twins really have nothing on an inline 4 in terms of performance.
They make up for it with cheaper purchase price, cheaper maintenance and less petrol though.
Look how small the engine of the Ninja 250 is compared to the bandit...

Handling on the other hand the Ninja would come on top, lighter bike too.

I'll be getting an '09 one once I have the cash.
(Keeping the '88 for people to learn on and other things :))

Also, was the bike properly broken in?

[davebullet]

Get 'em to swap bikes and do it again

[PhoenixNinja]

I suggested that but they werent to keen. But yea good point aye twin vs Four just buzzed me out how much the Bandit Cained

[Slyer]

I added to my post^^

[PhoenixNinja]

Yup had 1700 or so on the clock

[Seraph]

could have called that race for the bandit before it even started....
The earlier model 250 sport's were made for performance over economy...Something that isn't so easily done now.
Not that i have anything over the new ninja 250's...there nice, perfect for a learner :)

[PhoenixNinja]

Cant agree more Mint for a learner, all I'm saying is if ya buying the Ninja for speed with-out really researching it first and knowin what to expect then if you hand over hard earnt cash and expect to have your eyes sucked into your sockets, It aint gonna happen, much anyway.

[Slyer]

You don't buy a 250 for performance. :bleh:
So are you still considering buying one?

[CHOPPA]

I reckon id still beat your mate around taupo on one....

[ital916]

in 4 250 vs parallel twin 250. In four will hit a higher top end. The ninja is the better learner bike though. Not rev heavy, nice amount of torque, forgiving enough, looks the biz and is built well with good support. Which would I choose if i was a learner, the ninja. Which would I choose in the twisties...the ninja.

Always this obsession with straight line speed.

[Ragingrob]

in 4 250 vs parallel twin 250. In four will hit a higher top end. The ninja is the better learner bike though. Not rev heavy, nice amount of torque, forgiving enough, looks the biz and is built well with good support. Which would I choose if i was a learner, the ninja. Which would I choose in the twisties...the ninja.

Always this obsession with straight line speed.

Pretty sure the ZXR would nail the 250r in the twisties too!:Punk:

But as people have already said, it's all about age these days in terms of choosing between the new low-powered 250s and the old screamers.

[Usarka]

I passed a zx14, so my 7fiddy is faster.

[Reido]

leaner bikes arent drag bikes, nuff said...

twistys are more fun anyway :woohoo:

[PhoenixNinja]

Since me posting this thread have had a ride of the 250r and my final verdict...In the words of Borat.. VERY NIICCE!!!!! Ninja 250r are great bikes.... If I had a choice I would be going CBR250RR but thats just me,
for a twin cylinder Nice work Kawa, oh and cant get the sexy arse of the ninja out of my head lol so If you are learning I would say Ninja 250R no doubts. Good price good bike

[discotex]

My 250 was a ZXR but I was very tempted by the old GPX. The retro styling put me off though. The 250R fixes that one major issue - style.

Yes a CBR or ZXR is faster but they're ALL slow as shit compared to what you'll upgrade to.

If you ask me people should be thinking of resale and hopefully doing bugger all to it bar sticky tyres and basic servicing. The IL4's aren't getting any younger or cheaper (because they keep getting crashed).

[samgab]

My $00.02: I reckon it's a shame they didn't just dump the carby and go to the fuel injection everywhere, instead of just for certain markets due to emissions regulations...
They state that increased cost is the reason for this. I don't know though, when Honda has fuel injection on their CBR125, and it's retailing for a smidge under 5 Grand new. If Honda did a 250 equivalent of the CBR125 for the NZ market right now for a similar price to the Ninja, I'd go out and buy it tomorrow. Honda's choices for a brand new 250cc are pretty limited right now, and I don't want to get a 125.

[motorbyclist]

new ninja = modern gpx

would a gpx outrun a bandit? no

as such it's not really surprising that the new ninja isn't a race machine (as far as the 250 class goes)

get the mc22 or a vtr250 if you want something newer

[Insanity_rules]

Actually Bandits are pretty quick and have good top end (OMG I just praised a suzuki). My Mates one only really walks away from me over 100 ks, under it I still own him.

[CHOPPA]

Whats the story with the new learner rules that are supposed to be coming?

[motorbyclist]

anything under 250cc plus anything under 650cc with a power to weight ratio of less than 150KW per tonne

so an nc30 is almost on the list and the nc35 IS on the list, as is the sv650


basically negates the whole purpose of having a learner on a low power, low torque, reasonably light bike that won't bite them, all because people are whinging that the market for the IL4 250 is ridiculously bloated and there are a few older model bikes that have poor enough performance to be comparable to a 250

all it will acheive is bloating the cost of the 400 and 650 while putting IL4 owners out of pocket. as it is if you DID decide to rip yourself off on an IL4 250 you don't need to save up (and may actually make money) when you upgrade to a 400 or older 600, OR will already be half way to buying a newer 600

mind you, i own an NC35 so might be in luck come the time to upgrade, however unlikely that is.


edit: and i think they're ditching the 2-stroke 250, which isn't an entirely bad idea

[phiretrojan]

Just a we note to thos out there wanting a 08-09 Ninja 250r.

Well a mate bought one the other day and was talking it up to hell, which I
personaly think good on him as its him riding and loving it not me, and in some ways fair enough its a F***in sexy bike...BUT!

If you want a 250 sports bike with a decent get up and go look else where!

When he came round the other day my other mate folowed him to on his 95 250 Bandit, we sat around talking about the bikes etc etc as ya do, then
mate on Ninja said to mate on Bandit, lets have a Drag to the end of the street and back as it's quiet as no cars etc (note Street about 500m long straight), so they did and I watched thinkin to myself yea sweet Ninja bout to K.O a Bandit..BUT NO!!!!:wacko:

As they took off with the Ninja screaming its tits off and the Bandit humming away the Bandit completely and utterly Ate the Ninja for tea and the bandit really didnt seen to be trying very hard.... so yea just a we observation I thought I would share with ya'll

so yea even i was thinkin of the ninja 08 but after that might just go get ZXR or MC22 for that fact lol:lol:

But for the new price cant complain really, I guess , ummm cough cough

Cher ;)

i test rode those bikes a few month ago as i was in the market of a 250 - tested a hyosung 250r and that ninja 250r fitting with a yoshi pipe - the sound of it is a head turning the look is sexy, but the power is shit! i didnt like it at all, i guess its ok for learners who like to take it easy........

so instead i got my self a 1989 CBR250R - loving it! 27k for $3,500

just cant justify spending 7/ 8k on a new bike......

[NOMIS]

Cant agree more Mint for a learner, all I'm saying is if ya buying the Ninja for speed with-out really researching it first and knowin what to expect then if you hand over hard earnt cash and expect to have your eyes sucked into your sockets, It aint gonna happen, much anyway.

at least the look fast lol.. except for the gay exhaust system..


I could of called that race to.. lol tell bandit to start off in 2nd and it will be a more fair(ish) race bandit will prob still win

Nice bike though ( the ninja , looks wise )

[kunoichi]

I just got my 08 zxr 250 about 2 months ago and am loving it. I'v got some mates that ride the same model as me too, and between us we found that the rider holds great sway in getting the most out of your engine. But agreed, that when it comes down to it, the 4 250 would have more go than the ninja. But ninja's are a great learners bike (being my 1st bike) and would recommend it to newbies anyday.

[chaos rider]

I just got my 08 zxr 250 about 2 months ago and am loving it. I'v got some mates that ride the same model as me too, and between us we found that the rider holds great sway in getting the most out of your engine. But agreed, that when it comes down to it, the 4 250 would have more go than the ninja. But ninja's are a great learners bike (being my 1st bike) and would recommend it to newbies anyday.

till you give my hyo a go.. but yeah nice bike the ninja im sure my sister would love one

*overtakes you and waves politely*

[Quailboy]

till you give my hyo a go...
*overtakes you and waves politely*

Are you serious?

[Slyer]

Sorry but there's no such thing as a 2008 ZXR mate!
They are called Ninja 250r.

chaos rider, nobody likes you or your ugly hyosung.

[Morcs]

Id have another Bandit over a new ninja anyday.

I had a bandit as a loaner the other day, and although it feels painfully slow, it still has a top end, and sounds beaufitul. whereas the power delivery on the ninja is utterly boring and sounds poo.

[slopster]

I reckon the new ninja looks pretty similar to the old 80's gpx's and gpz's dressed up in cool new fairings for the posers out there

[Slyer]

That's what it is...
Same as any other bike it's just updated.
Their 250 parallel twin line has been long overdue for a style update so it's quite a jump.

[Qkchk]

I wouldnt laugh about the Ninja 250r - One pulled a wheelie on the ATNR last night :rolleyes:

However after talking to someone regarding the replacement costs of a fairing, I was suprised that you would be forking out for $3000 and thats only for one side!

[Reido]

lowsided mine awhile ago.. pics in my ablum..

was about $5000 to fix, majority cosmetic damage..

fairings = bloody expensive

[zeocen]

till you give my hyo a go.. but yeah nice bike the ninja im sure my sister would love one

*overtakes you and waves politely*

ROFL

10char

[quickbuck]

lowsided mine awhile ago.. pics in my ablum..

was about $5000 to fix, majority cosmetic damage..

fairings = bloody expensive

Just a note, fairings may well be expensive, but dropping a naked (road) bike isn't any cheaper.
Seriously.

[discotex]

Just a note, fairings may well be expensive, but dropping a naked (road) bike isn't any cheaper.
Seriously.

Really? How do you figure that one?

[Reido]

dropping it off a cliff?

[motorbyclist]

Really? How do you figure that one?

engine covers and motor parts are expensive and can ean you can't ride it home.... dents/scuffs on chassis are pretty expensive too


atleast fairings protect the bike and are somewhat more optional to repair



then again, those ninja fairings are ridiculously expensive - had insurance considered giving them to a panel beater, the bill would be a shitload cheaper.... heck i got a good condition used set of original full fairings and tank for my old nc30 for all up 650 bucks, and that was a tank from a wrecker and fairings from a dealer! no mates rates involved

[discotex]

engine covers and motor parts are expensive and can ean you can't ride it home.... dents/scuffs on chassis are pretty expensive too


atleast fairings protect the bike and are somewhat more optional to repair


Fair point I guess. Apparently Buell's can be a real pain because they end up sliding on the frame. Ouch.

My fairings don't protect my covers at all so I get the worst of both worlds. The same applies to most newer bikes. Funny how the fairings don't get cheaper as they get smaller.

Problem with fairings (for learners) is that you can totally stuff them (cracks etc) by dropping the bike at the lights or other slow speed midhaps. Nakeds should survive that sort of incident unscathed.

[ducatilover]

ninja 250r has 31ps.....my pile of poo makes more at the wheel :argh:

[Slyer]

I'm interested to know what people have found the top speed.
I got to 170kph on my old fucked '88 model.

[ducatilover]

I'm interested to know what people have found the top speed.
I got to 170kph on my old fucked '88 model.

i doubt the new one would get there. the old gpx had more power than that new 250r...:blink:

[Ripperjon]

The new one gets to an indicated 170. The speedo is accurate up to about 110-120. I dunno after that. Its probably not that accurate.

Again though, if you want top speed on an L-plate, don't buy a ninja. Save up and get an Aprilia. Or, ( shock, horror ) get a car.

For a learner-friendly, good-handling bike that's great fun to ride on twisty roads i highly recommend the Kawasaki.

It does the job it was built for. It wasn't built for the motogp.

[ducatilover]

im suprised it will do an indicated 170 with 31ps on tap

[Hiflyer]

same! I have taken my hyo to (an indicated) 169 admittedly that was on a bit of a downhill with my chest on the tank haha.

Cant see the ninja going faster. . although it is alot lighter!

i think my hyo goes 150 on the flat


how much out are the speedos on hyos anyone know?

[Slyer]

170 on a flat, took a long time with my head in the tank though.

[ducatilover]

the spada crap toy does an indicated 170 on the limiter but its a dyno proven 163

[Hiflyer]

hmmm yea i guess it could be done.

my mate bought a bandit with variable valve timing from holeshots and that destroys my hyo (obviously) and my other mates cbr. even in the twistes. I reckon i shoulda got a bandit,

[ducatilover]

hmmm yea i guess it could be done.

my mate bought a bandit with variable valve timing from holeshots and that destroys my hyo (obviously) and my other mates cbr. even in the twistes. I reckon i shoulda got a bandit,

those bandits are ok, but still better off on a zxr/mc22 because they handle and stop better. a mate in palmy got a bandit and it wasnt too great at all. but at the end of the day they are all slow..so get the one that stops better and learn to ride the fuck out of it;)

[Hiflyer]

get the one that stops better and learn to ride the fuck out of it;)

haha yea and you can do that with most 250's but not a hyo, cause theyr so damn unreliable, i dont trust mine 100%
at least both the ninja and the bandit are reliable

[ducatilover]

haha yea and you can do that with most 250's but not a hyo, cause theyr so damn unreliable, i dont trust mine 100%
at least both the ninja and the bandit are reliable

that is true haha. the spada has been very unreliable for me but it still makes me laugh when im giving it a good rape. it gets an odd "flex" in the front end under hard cornering, id say its the pathetic amount of support between the fork legs:shutup:

[Hiflyer]

that is true haha. the spada has been very unreliable for me but it still makes me laugh when im giving it a good rape. it gets an odd "flex" in the front end under hard cornering, id say its the pathetic amount of support between the fork legs:shutup:

is it expensive to fix when something craps out?

[ducatilover]

is it expensive to fix when something craps out?

very. it was never an nz new model so parts are extremely hard to get. i cant get new cam chains. and fuel tap cost $380! the list goes on. but ive squeezed 34rwhp from it now so atleast ive got the most powerful 250 twin ive seen that also breaks like an italian. whats the hyosung like on parts price and availability?

[Hiflyer]

very. it was never an nz new model so parts are extremely hard to get. i cant get new cam chains. and fuel tap cost $380! the list goes on. but ive squeezed 34rwhp from it now so atleast ive got the most powerful 250 twin ive seen that also breaks like an italian. whats the hyosung like on parts price and availability?

they arent tooo bad, they are becoming cheaper cos the popularity is going up. i'm just about to put it in for servicing and i need a new clutch cable as well, which they will probably have to order in.

if there were hyosung dealerships in auckland then it'd be cheaper.

[Gubb]

if there were hyosung dealerships in auckland then it'd be cheaper.
Red Baron and Spectrum both deal in Hyosungs.

[Hiflyer]

Red Baron and Spectrum both deal in Hyosungs.

are you for serious. . maybe i had better go there from now on. . haha

my bad.

Should i even bother with hyosung part? or just get equivalent parts from an established brand??

[Monie]

i was on a flat road and i did 160 on my ninja i did run out of road and she still had more to give ...

[Reido]

i've done an indicated just under 180 down a hill... on a private closed road.. obviously

160 is easy(ish) on the flat.. 4th will get to 140+ before it hits the rev limiter. (if im remembering correctly)

[Hiflyer]

Damn you ninjas and your lack of weight! I dont know what they make hyos out of!! (lead?)

how much do they weigh?

[Reido]

152kg dry weight.
though mine will be a little less. i ditched the chunky muffler/exhaust
for a lighter / smaller one.. oh and it sounds better too XD

[vindy500]

160 on the flat today made my ninja go bang

[NOMIS]

haha yea and you can do that with most 250's but not a hyo, cause theyr so damn unreliable, i dont trust mine 100%
at least both the ninja and the bandit are reliable
*cough* and the Hornet's :D

[Reido]

i was really keen on a hornet when i first started.. but dad wouldnt let me..
so i ended up with a CBF250...

but now i have my ninja so all is well.. though i still want to try a hornet out

[Slyer]

Why wouldn't he let you get a hornet?

[Reido]

"why get a X year old bike for $XXXX when u can get a brand new one for... " etc..

my original want was a VTR250..

i think he wanted me to have a single cylinder bike first aswell..

[NOMIS]

"why get a X year old bike for $XXXX when u can get a brand new one for... " etc..

my original want was a VTR250..

i think he wanted me to have a single cylinder bike first aswell..

they hold there price for a reason lol
a x year bike running like a brand new one.. or if u get one in niice/perfect condition ( like mine:love: ) lol.. try a hornet man they go great, mines for sale atm tho I already know how much i will miss it

[vindy500]

can someone post a picture of the left hand cylinder of a older gpx, i need to compare

[Slyer]

http://talorgen.smugmug.com/gallery/2849686#152773053_eEWhB
Enjoy

[motorbyclist]

Again though, if you want top speed on an L-plate, don't buy a ninja. Save up and get an Aprilia. Or, ( shock, horror ) get a car.

BLASPHEMY!

now wonder you got a new ninja:bleh:


"why get a X year old bike for $XXXX when u can get a brand new one for... " etc..

my original want was a VTR250..

i think he wanted me to have a single cylinder bike first aswell..

all three are very good learner bikes, but i think you were spot on with your first want for a vtr250

(ps i'm looking to test ride (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1713395#post1713395)a cbf230 to better qualify my opinions, so if you want a crack at a hornet my little brother has one....)

[R1madness]

Its true that the older 250cc bikes are faster than the new ones but there is always a trade off. The older ones are a little harder to ride due to needing to be thrashed a bit more to get the best performance out of them. So if you want a fast 250 buy an older one.
The NINJA looks cool tho....

[Reido]

BLASPHEMY!

now wonder you got a new ninja:bleh:



all three are very good learner bikes, but i think you were spot on with your first want for a vtr250

(ps i'm looking to test ride (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1713395#post1713395)a cbf230 to better qualify my opinions, so if you want a crack at a hornet my little brother has one....)

i think we were going to do that awhile ago, but we never got round to it. My CBF250 is long gone

[Vixen]

i love the ninja 250R, i have a 2008 one and have learnt to ride on it.....its light, good riding position, easy to handle, great kms out of a tank, looks awesome even with an L plate on, great price, fast enough for a learner, great resale and of course....SEXY AS!!! what more could a learner biker chick want! :)
lol

[Slyer]

Sexy as indeed!

[vindy500]

http://talorgen.smugmug.com/gallery/2849686#152773053_eEWhB
Enjoy

the second photo is almost what i want but from the wrong angle, is there meant to be a hole in the fins on the side of the engine?

[Slyer]

I don't know what you mean... Draw it or something?

[Slyer]

If anyone wants anything specific, I have purchased this:
http://www.cyclepedia.com/kawasaki-ex250-ninja-250-online-service-guide/
Loads and loads of photos.

[revlikeshit]

So have to add my two cents in here....

As alot of people have already said, their a good learner bike yeah, but there slow..fullstop... well compared to IL4cyl 250's....

have an fzr250r exup myself,have ridden a 05'vtr250,zxr250(at the drags ran 14.3sec first time ever riding a 4cyl 250) could be down to 14.0-14.1 easy.
And a mate of mine has just bought an 08' ninja 250r.

Fastest 1/4 mile have seen a new ninja 250r do is a mid 15.... usually they run round high 15's low 16's tho @130-135 kmh...... the older gpx's would run high 14's-low 15's.....

Oh and the zxr250's highest trap speed was 149kmh(on a hot day) if it was nightspeed would be low to mid 150's, thats a big difference in trap speed.... and my fzr250 is quicker than the zxr.....

Have a look at these... good couple of vids...

Ninja 250r vs wr250x 1/4 mile......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuJXm5fLTcM&feature=related

Second is me on the zxr250 running 14.3..then me on my rgv150 running 15.9 against the owner of the zxr250.

http://www.bebo.com/FlashBox.jsp?FlashBoxId=6808414283&

[vindy500]

a zoom in of this

[Slyer]

I just looked at mine, there is a 1.5ish cm section of the fin missing in the middle fin. And a small hole in the middle.

[vindy500]

I just looked at mine, there is a 1.5ish cm section of the fin missing in the middle fin. And a small hole in the middle.

sweet thanks heaps :)

[Slyer]

Here are some photos of the '08s being built if anyone is interested:
http://www.ninja250thailand.com/board/index.php?topic=114.0

[Monie]

i love the ninja 250R, i have a 2008 one and have learnt to ride on it.....its light, good riding position, easy to handle, great kms out of a tank, looks awesome even with an L plate on, great price, fast enough for a learner, great resale and of course....SEXY AS!!! what more could a learner biker chick want! :)
lol
i agree great bike
and to everone else who cares what you ride as long as you like it its your bike. .. lol
ah

[quickbuck]

So have to add my two cents in here....

As alot of people have already said, their a good learner bike yeah, but there slow..fullstop... well compared to IL4cyl 250's....

have an fzr250r exup myself,have ridden a 05'vtr250,zxr250(at the drags ran 14.3sec first time ever riding a 4cyl 250) could be down to 14.0-14.1 easy.
And a mate of mine has just bought an 08' ninja 250r.

Fastest 1/4 mile have seen a new ninja 250r do is a mid 15.... usually they run round high 15's low 16's tho @130-135 kmh...... the older gpx's would run high 14's-low 15's.....

Oh and the zxr250's highest trap speed was 149kmh(on a hot day) if it was nightspeed would be low to mid 150's, thats a big difference in trap speed.... and my fzr250 is quicker than the zxr.....

Have a look at these... good couple of vids...

Ninja 250r vs wr250x 1/4 mile......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuJXm5fLTcM&feature=related

Second is me on the zxr250 running 14.3..then me on my rgv150 running 15.9 against the owner of the zxr250.

http://www.bebo.com/FlashBox.jsp?FlashBoxId=6808414283&


Yep, all good if you want to ride your bike in straight lines quickly......
You know how much you need to spend on a cage to get into the 15's over a 1/4?

But one thing I have found after quite a long time riding bikes is they are actually more fun to corner.
Any monkey can be trained to twist a throttle.... In fact half a century ago they sent one to space... Now imagine the 1/4 mile time of an Apollo rocket!

I digress.

Thing is I took my missus 2003 GSX 250 out for a ride with the boys a few years ago, as my 600 was U/S at the time.
I could keep up with the leader on his ZX7R over the Pahiatua track no worries.
I think the GSX was lucky to have 23 RWHP, and it in no way handled like my 600, but I wasn't left behind at all.

As said earlier, by Ducatilover, buy a bike and learn how to ride it!
I think he said it in jest, but has a very good point.
It (1/4 mile times, top speed, HP, handling) really doesn't matter when it comes down to it, so long as the owner likes it and enjoys it.

Remember the straight bits of road are only there to link the corners together.

My 10c worth.

[ducatilover]

i have had the spada for over two and a half years and i still enjoy riding it. sure its slow as hell but it loves to be thrashed hard and loves to be bent over more than boy george and for some strange reason is extremely fun to ride. pointless rant. any 250 four stroke is going to be slower than nanas knitting.:bleh:

[Cosmo]

I've got to agree that it might not be the quickest bike around but it's plenty fast enough when you are starting out and learning the rights lines and to take corners at reasonable/quick speeds. I don't plan to have this bike forever but it looks great and will give me confidence when I move to something bigger/faster.

[Reido]

I've got to agree that it might not be the quickest bike around but it's plenty fast enough when you are starting out and learning the rights lines and to take corners at reasonable/quick speeds. I don't plan to have this bike forever but it looks great and will give me confidence when I move to something bigger/faster.

this is exactly why i got a ninja..

i'll wait till i get my full before i get anything "fast"

[revlikeshit]

Not trying to hate on anyones bike,just telling the facts......

Speaking of corners.... any of the decentish 250 4cyl's will out corner a 'ninja' (b.s marketing)250r... so i dont really know why its needed for people to bag on straight line racing...
Just because i mentioned straightline performance doesnt mean thats all i as a rider am capable of.... have schooled plenty in the twisties, and will most probably school anyone who wants to try it.

[Tank]

Sadly there seem to be a lot of people here that believe their abilities are far greater than the little Ninja 250.

Im guessing that most (prob not all - but most) are learners that are over estimating how good you are and couldn't ride a faster / bigger bike without setting yourself up for a ton of trouble. (a healthy learners attitude is a great safety mechanism)

Its a great learners bike - and does exactly what it is setup to do, and it does it well.

[quickbuck]

Sadly there seem to be a lot of people here that believe their abilities are far greater than the little Ninja 250.

Im guessing that most (prob not all - but most) are learners that are over estimating how good you are and couldn't ride a faster / bigger bike without setting yourself up for a ton of trouble. (a healthy learners attitude is a great safety mechanism)

Its a great learners bike - and does exactly what it is setup to do, and it does it well.

Very fine words those.....
It is the point I was trying to make with the GSX250 scenario.
I'll just add:

Many riders starting out think after a short time the 250 is not very fast any more.... The truth is, it is plenty fast enough.
If one goes and buys "More Power" with out the skill or respect, then they will only end up at the accident faster.... Sadly.

As my other half pointed out last night, getting on my 600 without the skills obtained on a 250 would be like learning how to drive in a Ferrari.
She is so right. I have a picture of a 308GTS on my wall as it was a dream car as a kid. The last time I went around Manfeild it was actually faster on my 600 than the Chapmans 308 in race trim.... when I saw it in the early 90's.

[Howsie]

The truth is, it is plenty fast enough.


After only having done just over 800kms myself on my Ninja, i believe there is more than enough power in the bike to do anything that is asked of it, its all down to the rider. Straight line speed doesnt mean diddly squat, anything can go fast in a straight line.:whistle:

As for me, I look forward to the day that my abilities outperform the bike and i can get a bigger one, but for the next 2 years or so i believe that my 250r will be able to handle anything i throw at it and then some. I might even keep it after that cos it is damn sexy and fun in the twisties!

Its like driving cars (quick story) i could outdrive my mates 2L GTS Skyline in my little Suzuki Swift which is a 1.3L carby, the only place he would beat me is over 110kmph.:bash:

Try to learn as much as you can on your 250 as im sure you would be surprised what some of them can do ;)

[Tank]

Its like driving cars (quick story) i could outdrive my mates 2L GTS Skyline in my little Suzuki Swift which is a 1.3L carby, the only place he would beat me is over 110kmph.:bash:


no offense - but your mate must be a totally shit driver.

[motorbyclist]

no offense - but your mate must be a totally shit driver.

probably his point


i've outridden many litrebikes on a 20 year old 400 - absolutey thrashed the nc30 to do it but just goes to show the rider is just as if not more important than the machine - and straight line speed is nothing when the limit is 100kph anyway

[Howsie]

no offense - but your mate must be a totally shit driver.

He was pretty good, i was just better :bleh:

mind you it was a standard 2L inline6 manual pulling a 1.5T vehicle vs a SOHC 1.3L 800kg swift lol :chase:

he has much improved since those days :clap:

[ducatilover]

He was pretty good, i was just better :bleh:

mind you it was a standard 2L inline6 manual pulling a 1.5T vehicle vs a SOHC 1.3L 800kg swift lol :chase:

he has much improved since those days :clap:

either way that would have been fun to see. we all know the swifts handle like a wheel barrow with a flat tyre...the gts isnt exactly a marvelous beast to be honest. but alot better than the [un] swift:clap: thats like me, if i could out race anybody that is:baby:

[Howsie]

either way that would have been fun to see. we all know the swifts handle like a wheel barrow with a flat tyre...the gts isnt exactly a marvelous beast to be honest. but alot better than the [un] swift:clap: thats like me, if i could out race anybody that is:baby:

yea those were the days of us poor kiddies driving what we could afford, he envied my gas bill though, never more than $30 and his $60-70 for similar kms! :Offtopic:

Bottom line, i still like my 250R:jerry:

[Vixen]

Well, this debate has really caused a stir....having read through the posts i can see that its the more expereinced riders of faster bikes (but not all of you!) who feel the ninja 250r isnt fast enough, but noted all the learners and novices think its fabulous!
Im sure kawasaki thought about this bike before manufacturing it and have aimed its use at the people who LOVE IT! Im sure their bottom line will prove it was worth it too! Its not meant for being the fastest bike in its catagory im sure, but will give its riders a confident, fun, economical, easy and sexy start....then we can move onto the MEAT!!
haha..lol
:woohoo:

[Howsie]

....then we can move onto the MEAT!!
:woohoo:

Im looking forward to that day with great anticipation! At that time im sure i will think the old faithful 250R was slow as well. But hey, it is only a 250 :Punk:

[Vixen]

yeah...the meat is where i want to be!!! tell me more.........lol....:Offtopic:

[quickbuck]

yeah...the meat is where i want to be!!! tell me more.........lol....:Offtopic:

Quite often you will find it's an inverse proportion thing...... Hence I have a 600 ;)

[flaxmereboy]

the 08 ninja 250 is a great learner bike. and alot of fun for experienced riders to. i noticed comments on speed on straight lines bla bla. corners are where bikes are fun. there is no better feeling than picking some winding road. pullng out of a corner then having to setup for another one no soner than you have managed to get out of the last. i have had a number of bikes in my time. a fxr 150 a 03 gsxr 600 an 05 yamaha r6. and reciently a 2008 ninja 250. the ninja is a load of fun. it is completly different to a 600 cc sports bike. i love the knowledge that on the way out of a corner i can rip that throtle back and use every ounce of power the little bugger has on tap. alot of fun and a great bike.

[ducatilover]

why have a 600cc il4 then get a ninja 250r? :blink:

[motorbyclist]

why have a 600cc il4 then get a ninja 250r? :blink:


...the ninja is a load of fun. it is completly different to a 600 cc sports bike. i love the knowledge that on the way out of a corner i can rip that throtle back and use every ounce of power the little bugger has on tap. alot of fun and a great bike.


exact same reason i turned down an r6 and got an rvf400

[ducatilover]

exact same reason i turned down an r6 and got an rvf400

i would do the same. but i dont see why you would have the ninja 250r after a gixxer 6 or a r6. the rvf is ridiculous fun and is retardedly brilliant handling. the 250r is slow and not the best in the bends, i would be suprised if it pulled higher corner speeds than a newer 600 :mellow:
i can understand not liking wheelspin though...
and theres not many things i would buy before an rvf

[quickbuck]

i can understand not liking wheelspin though...
and theres not many things i would buy before an rvf
The savings in rubber on the Ninja (compared to the R6) would be about $750 per year alone....

[ducatilover]

The savings in rubber on the Ninja (compared to the R6) would be about $750 per year alone....

yes that is true. each to their own i suppose :yes:

[motorbyclist]

yep, there sure is nothing like keeping close behind your mates on 600 and upwards capacity machines over the whole of the coromandel and only losing a few mm off your $200 rear tyre while they have completely destroyed a $500 rear that has been fitted for all of a week:D

yet a 400 still offers 250 economy with enough power to safely pass traffic and isn't overpriced by the learner demand for a 250 (thinking more the cbr/zxr here)

it just seems like the natural step up from a 45hp 'slow' bike is to a 59hp reasonable bike that still keeps up where it counts without costing a 120hp fortune to run or being unwieldy and cumbersome in traffic and too fast to be properly used legally/safely on a road


(ok, what i set out to say was that the running costs of a 400 are only marginally higher than that of a 250 while still being significantly lower than running a 600. the 400 is cheaper cheaper if you factor the depreciation on buying a new/newish ninja vs a 2nd hand vfr400... in fact the vfr is often cheaper to buy too.... the only advantage of the ninja is it is new and not a hyosung, but a good vfr is not hard to find especially if you look to import from the japanese market)

[SixPackBack]

I was given a ninja 250 loaner yesterday while my bike was being serviced.

What. A. Piece. Of. Junk.

Cheap, vibrating, GUTLESS, uncomfortable, pseudo sportsbike shit box and expensive to boot..................Honda VTR's are in a completely different league [apart from the lack of power]

[ducatilover]

vfr/rvf would do me. not quick, but get along ok and fruit me sideways they handle

[Slyer]

First bad review I've heard about it.
Is everyone else stupid or just you?

[ducatilover]

we are all stupid

[SixPackBack]

First bad review I've heard about it.
Is everyone else stupid or just you?

I presume your derogatory opinion is aimed at me?

When you're a big boy and have ridden something other than a shit box 250 come back and we can talk............your so called 'ninja' could not pull a rapist of yer mum!

[Slyer]

Your points completely contradict what better people have said.

[Dean]

First bad review I've heard about it.
Is everyone else stupid or just you?


I presume your derogatory opinion is aimed at me?

When you're a big boy and have ridden something other than a shit box 250 come back and we can talk............your so called 'ninja' could not pull a rapist of yer mum!

Damm :girlfight: im with sixpackback on this one hes got a point slyer

[SixPackBack]

Your points completely contradict what better people have said.

Grow up. Its a shit box 250, anybody who has owned or ridden anything over 600cc would'nt piss on your shitter.

It exists for no other reason but to get you a REAL licence so you buy a REAL bike......as a commuter it is expensive and would soon become tiresome.

Squids such as yourself need to get real [that fuckwit with the 'modified shit box hyobag is measurably worse], pretend you're fucking a fat chick. buy the shitbox 250, get a licence AND TELL NO ONE:bye:

[hayd3n]

After only having done just over 800kms myself on my Ninja, i believe there is more than enough power in the bike to do anything that is asked of it, its all down to the rider. Straight line speed doesnt mean diddly squat, anything can go fast in a straight line.:whistle:

As for me, I look forward to the day that my abilities outperform the bike and i can get a bigger one, but for the next 2 years or so i believe that my 250r will be able to handle anything i throw at it and then some. I might even keep it after that cos it is damn sexy and fun in the twisties!

Its like driving cars (quick story) i could outdrive my mates 2L GTS Skyline in my little Suzuki Swift which is a 1.3L carby, the only place he would beat me is over 110kmph.:bash:

Try to learn as much as you can on your 250 as im sure you would be surprised what some of them can do ;)

i was watching a guy i know who comes out on thursday nights rides struggle to pass a truck up a hill, he really was revving it out to get past, hes decided he need more grunt, poor wee 08 ninja almost became ninja soup:oi-grr:

[ducatilover]

i was watching a guy i know who comes out on thursday nights rides struggle to pass a truck up a hill, he really was revving it out to get past, hes decided he need more grunt, poor wee 08 ninja almost became ninja soup:oi-grr:

i got followed by one today. i was out running it on my slower than wet week spada, he also almost went splat passing a truck, i did it safely and he followed. i stoped passing people after that, i wasnt going to lead him into trouble by "making him try race me"
what a crotch stain. and fuck they are slow:girlfight:

[Howsie]

Grow up. Its a shit box 250, anybody who has owned or ridden anything over 600cc would'nt piss on your shitter.

It exists for no other reason but to get you a REAL licence so you buy a REAL bike......as a commuter it is expensive and would soon become tiresome.

Squids such as yourself need to get real [that fuckwit with the 'modified shit box hyobag is measurably worse], pretend you're fucking a fat chick. buy the shitbox 250, get a licence AND TELL NO ONE:bye:

SPB, compared to your K6, yeap they are bloody slow, even compared to the older 250s like ZXR etc, bloody japan and their power restriciton laws. But for those of us that have them and are new to bikes, they are certainly fast enough for the time being. If i could afford it i would get a 600 but im not there yet. Just like everybody else on here we are all entitled to our own opinion. You dont like the new Ninjas, i do:done: :whocares:


i was watching a guy i know who comes out on thursday nights rides struggle to pass a truck up a hill, he really was revving it out to get past, hes decided he need more grunt, poor wee 08 ninja almost became ninja soup:oi-grr:

Depends what speed he was doing, they can be gutless if u arent riding them right as i found. They lack in the 120kmph-150kmph zone due to it being a 250. They gotta be in 5th for hills at over 100kmph. Its a real happy machine at 9-12500rpm. You cant just twist the throttle and go, it takes a bit of work to ride properly.:Punk:

If i could afford to keep the Ninja after 2 years and get a 600cc i would, they are great for zipping round the central city and the running costs are much lower. However that probably wont happen and it will end up going to another newbie.

[SixPackBack]

SPB, compared to your K6, yeap they are bloody slow, even compared to the older 250s like ZXR etc, bloody japan and their power restriciton laws. But for those of us that have them and are new to bikes, they are certainly fast enough for the time being. If i could afford it i would get a 600 but im not there yet. Just like everybody else on here we are all entitled to our own opinion. You dont like the new Ninjas, i do:done: :whocares:

.

Well said Howsie....kinda hard for my excessively dry humour to come out on the Internet [I was of course taking the piss and waiting for a bite!]. For a first bike you guys will collectively be in heaven:Punk:

[Howsie]

Well said Howsie....kinda hard for my excessively dry humour to come out on the Internet [I was of course taking the piss and waiting for a bite!]. For a first bike you guys will collectively be in heaven:Punk:

Dry humour is all the rage round here, it gets plenty of bites! My apologies for putting out your fire:wari:

In heaven? Sure am:love:

[Vixen]

hmmmmmm just thinking hehehe

[Vixen]

i have no idea how much my ninja weighs...sorry guys...sucks to be chic and not know these stats..all i know is the 1st time i came off i struggles to lift it back up on my own...hahahaha...anyway...does anyone want to be my friend?? :2thumbsup

[Slyer]

Around 150ish kilo's, and sure?

[ducatilover]

Yeah I'd say around 145-150kg dry weight. Can look it up though, for extra brownie points:laugh:

[ducatilover]

Make Model
Kawasaki Ninja 250R

Year
2008

Engine
Liquid cooled, four stroke . parallel twin, DOHC

Capacity
248
Bore x Stroke 62 х 41.2mm
Compression Ratio 11.6:1

Induction
2x Keihin CVK30

Ignition / Starting
TCBI with Digital Advance / electric

Max Power


Max Torque
21.7 Nm 2.21 Kg-m 16.0 lb-ft @ 10000 rpm

Transmission / Drive
6 Speed / chain
Frame / Rake/Trail Semi-double cradle, high-tensile steel, / 26 degrees / 3.3 in.

Front Suspension
37mm hydraulic telescopic fork

Rear Suspension
Uni-Trak® with aluminum linkage

Front Brakes
Single 260mm hydraulic petal disc 2 piston caliper

Rear Brakes
Single 220mm petal disc 2 piston caliper

Front Tyre
110/70-17

Rear Tyre
130/70-17
Seat Height 780 mm

Dry-Weight
151 kg

Fuel Capacity
18.2 Litres

I think they have irc rx01f/r as standard 'rubber' too. Nylon shit...:sick::shutup:

[Rych]

Max power is missing? Pretty sure its 27bhp.

[Reido]

Max power is missing? Pretty sure its 27bhp.

31 hp.. apparently

[kunoichi]

i have no idea how much my ninja weighs...sorry guys...sucks to be chic and not know these stats..all i know is the 1st time i came off i struggles to lift it back up on my own...hahahaha...anyway...does anyone want to be my friend?? :2thumbsup

i think with the tank full etc it'll sit around 170 or so. As for lifting it back, i havn't been able to lift my bike by myself just yet. I found out that there are pivot points on the bike that even out the weight wen u'r trying to lift it...or to something of that effect. Fortunatly i havn't dropped my bike since getting that advice so not sure if i can lift it, full stop.
P.S. u can add me as a friend if u want...where did u get ur leathers? i'm out leather searching atm! :p

[discotex]

i think with the tank full etc it'll sit around 170 or so.

Prolly need to add another 10kg to that as dry weight doesn't include suspension oil, engine oil or coolant either.

[Howsie]

Also note that the tank only holds 15L of the go-go juice, i found this out after emptying my tank right outside a petrol station fortunately! The poor gurl died and i had to push her to the pump!

[ducatilover]

31 hp.. apparently

31ps.........:sick:

[Reido]

31ps.........:sick:

it is aimed at "learner" riders

[ducatilover]

it is aimed at "learner" riders

True, yes, but why not 40? can kind of pass people and not likely to kill you

[Reido]

True, yes, but why not 40? can kind of pass people and not likely to kill you

true that.

still, its purrrdy.

oh, can i sit on ur bike once its turbo'd?? =]

[ducatilover]

true that.

still, its purrrdy.

oh, can i sit on ur bike once its turbo'd?? =]

I must say the new 250r has the best rear end I have seen in dam ages:rockon:
Yeah sure, try not to laugh at it though:scooter:

[Rych]

I must say the new 250r has the best rear end I have seen in dam ages:rockon:
Yeah sure, try not to laugh at it though:scooter:
Except for the skinny tyre!

[Reido]

Except for the skinny tyre!

and the long mud guard reflector thingy..
but *shrug* w/e

[ducatilover]

Except for the skinny tyre!

:wacko: Don't remind me....

[dblancer]

Ive been quietly following and reading this thread for a while, its amazing how much fervor is going into ripping apart this bike in almost every facet.

Noone would speak ill of a GN250 of Scorpio 225 since they are essentially fit for the purpose. ie learning!

I don't honestly the Ninja sets out to be anything more than an entry level sports bike / commuter. Sure the parallel twin is not the most powerful thing out there, you do have to learn how to drive it... as you would say learning how to drive in a 1.3 litre car.

I did a good 800km ride on my bike up the Waitaki Valley at the start of the week, and it was just magic, slamming thru the corners and getting my cornering lines nice and tight. Sure on some of the steeper hills I had to give it a damn good rev, but it still picks up alright and is good enough for my leaner state. Also it was actually alot of fun.

I was amazed at a petrol station as a girls eyes rolled into the back of her head at my Ninja, since she owned a CBR and it was clearly a better bike in her mind. Hey I even know its a faster more powerful, more rep, but hey it certainly wasn't as cheap or available. And hey she was selling it...

My Ninja/GPX met the requirements of a forgiving nature, it was cheap, quite good looking and comfortable but still has enough get up and go.

id be a little dubious about spending 7K on a new one... but Im a cheap student boy :2thumbsup

Im a fan of the wee Ninja. Shes just great

[avgas]

new ninja = modern gpx

would a gpx outrun a bandit? no

as such it's not really surprising that the new ninja isn't a race machine (as far as the 250 class goes)

get the mc22 or a vtr250 if you want something newer
Actually the Ninja name has been abused by Kawasaki for some time. You may or may not remember a horrible add campaign in the 80's staring young, neon armour wearing, kids astride their crap electric and gutless >50cc quads and minibikes chanting:
"Kawasaki Ninjas Rule, Kawasaki Ninjas Rule"
All it needed was gang signs for it to be a music video, or swastika's for it to be a political rally.
In reality all of the bikes in that advert were as fast as walking. But the ad had so much excitement - must have been the same guy who did the super-soaker adverts.
I remember it was always in the adbreak for Captain Planet

[Slyer]

You get out as much as you put into them. :)

[avgas]

What a bunch of tossers.
Wank wank wank..... 600cc bike is better than a 250 learners bike.
Shit did you go to school or drop out of Te Awamutu high?
I'm sorry, but after riding A LOT of little bikes as well as big ones i can happily say very few bikes made me think they were horrible (however there are a few).
The GPX Ninja is a fine machine. It has a motor, gears, goes over 100kph (which is as fast as a green learner needs to go) and looks pretty enough.
If you don't like it - don't buy it.
Truth be told i disliked the ZZR250, CBR250 and VT250 more than the GPX. The ZZR felt like a bloated fish, the CBR sounded like a powerdrill (and is built for a japanese midget), the VT felt like sex with the energizer bunny. But those are my opinions - i know very well in my mind that they are good bikes. And they still felt good.
As for the GPX not being fast enough - go fuck yourself. Or try riding a REAL gutless bike for a change. Shit i could even get a GN125 to 130kph passing cars.
As for it not being the best tech.....what is the most sophisticated 250 out the - Aprilla RS250? Well not bad but it is still based on a 1991 Suzuki RGV.....
Price isn't terrible either - in fact i wouldn't be surprised if its close to the same price its always been. CBR250 was over 10K brand new. You want economical - buy a chinese/malay bike like the RG150/fxr150.....

[Dean]

. Shit i could even get a GN125 to 130kph passing cars.

BULLSHIT!! I owned the gn250 and the most maxxed out on a straight passing cars was 130kph, it was bouncing of the rev limiter ticking over its little single cylinder. Gn125 are even worse in power, dont even lie avgas you already made your little whiney rant.

[ducatilover]

ZZR250 are the same genre as the gpx250 avgas. both are il2.
Horses for courses etc:2thumbsup
Ride happy :calm:

[Slyer]

ZZR250 are the same genre as the gpx250 avgas. both are il2.
Horses for courses etc:2thumbsup
Ride happy :calm:
Same bike with bit different frame and fairings. :P
Engine is a complete swap.

[ducatilover]

Same bike with bit different frame and fairings. :P
Engine is a complete swap.

Also ugly. :wacko: It amazes me how such a small bike can look flabby ;)

[Slyer]

I'll have you know that the Bride rides a ZZR250 in Kill Bill. :bleh:

[SPman]

The New Ninja - best selling bike in Aussie this year so far - even outsold the Postie Bike (Honda CT110)

[avgas]

BULLSHIT!! I owned the gn250 and the most maxxed out on a straight passing cars was 130kph, it was bouncing of the rev limiter ticking over its little single cylinder. Gn125 are even worse in power, dont even lie avgas you already made your little whiney rant.
http://www.doingitwrong.com/
Got 135 on the GN250. Actually same gearing so that is kinda irrelevant. Fact of the matter was both did over 100kph quite easily. Getting the Kawasaki 90 (K1) up to 100kph - now that was a challenge. Ended up getting it to just over 100 - and about 100rpm into valve bounce territory.

That old 79' kawasaki has to be one of the worse i've ridden. A street magic could have beaten it.

I've never topped out a magic - anyone know what they'll do? I got to 70, but im sure it had more in it.

[avgas]

I'll have you know that the Bride rides a ZZR250 in Kill Bill. :bleh:
So thats why it was a 3 part movie ;)

[Dean]

Got 135 on the GN250. Actually same gearing so that is kinda irrelevant. Fact of the matter was both did over 100kph quite easily. Getting the Kawasaki 90 (K1) up to 100kph - now that was a challenge. Ended up getting it to just over 100 - and about 100rpm into valve bounce territory.

That old 79' kawasaki has to be one of the worse i've ridden. A street magic could have beaten it.

I've never topped out a magic - anyone know what they'll do? I got to 70, but im sure it had more in it.
The gn250 maybe could do 135 i guess but not a gn125 bro,this kawasaki 90 sounds slow, when i was first into scooters starting of i was going to buy a street magic 50. I was told maxxed out they have done 115kph, but they are small aye, get one of those watercooled pocket bikes they can go like 125kph they look like fun in a go cart track.

[motorbyclist]

Noone would speak ill of a GN250 of Scorpio 225 since they are essentially fit for the purpose. ie learning!

I hate the GN250 with a passion

[avgas]

I hate the GN250 with a passion
You must be quite the honda lover then

[ducatilover]

I hate the GN250 with a passion
So do I

You must be quite the honda lover then

No. the newer ones are just over priced piles of puss. Yes for learning the basics an older gn will do, But I think there is many more options than an uncomfy pile of crap like that:yes:

[FROSTY]

I read this thread and go WTF. These are LEARNER bikes. Never intended to explore the performance limits.
Learner means on L or restricted licence.

[madbikeboy]

Worlds tallest pygmie.

The biggest fish in a small pond.

Being proud that you've got a hard on, and when waving it around, your new missus scoffs...

:)

[motorbyclist]

No. the newer ones are just over priced piles of puss. Yes for learning the basics an older gn will do, But I think there is many more options than an uncomfy pile of crap like that:yes:

pretty much sums it up

wouldn't be so bad if they were still made in japan, or atleast had some sort of quality control - they practically come rusted from new!

[ducatilover]

pretty much sums it up

wouldn't be so bad if they were still made in japan

Mine was a chinese assembled one. Had it for 3 months and 10000km :crazy::angry2::wacko:

[motorbyclist]

imho they're horrible bikes to ride too - everything is just wrong; from the handling to the motor right down to the retarded indicator switch

[Slyer]

imho they're horrible bikes to ride too - everything is just wrong; from the handling to the motor right down to the retarded indicator switch
There's been a lot of reviews by people that have been riding a lot longer than you have that disagree. ;)

[SixPackBack]

There's been a lot of reviews by people that have been riding a lot longer than you have that disagree. ;)

'93 I started riding. For the most part on the bike every single day since........
The Ninja 250R is a very expensive bike [for what it is] let down with cheap suspension/brakes and the cheapest tyres available.
As previously mentioned, save your money and buy a road based enduro type bike.

[CookMySock]

I read this thread and go WTF. You read the thread? WHY?

Steve

[motorbyclist]

There's been a lot of reviews by people that have been riding a lot longer than you have that disagree. ;)

well it's a good thing i put "imho" at the start of my honest opinion first then:niceone:

mind linking me to a good review btw? i'm open to a fresh perspective (and pass me a tui while you're at it)

[avgas]

http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/kawasaki-ninja-250-review

http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/kawasaki/sport/2009/ninja/250r.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/kawasaki/sport/2009/ninja/250r.html)

googles $0.02 worth - don't think you can shout him a beer. but you can buy me one.
FYI i used to be arrogant like you and thing the FXR was a box of crap - many years later i can't help but recommend one for a new rider.
Hell i wouldn't mind riding one now

[motorbyclist]

http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/kawasaki-ninja-250-review

http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/kawasaki/sport/2009/ninja/250r.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/kawasaki/sport/2009/ninja/250r.html)

googles $0.02 worth - don't think you can shout him a beer. but you can buy me one.
FYI i used to be arrogant like you and thing the FXR was a box of crap - many years later i can't help but recommend one for a new rider.
Hell i wouldn't mind riding one now

I was referring to teh GN250, not the ninja

and yes, the FXR is a brilliant bike! why suzuki continues the chinese GN125 instead of the singaporean FXR150 defies sense and logic