Who just watched Campbell Live? (15 December)

[Starky307]

Just a quick rant about something that pisses me off.

The people who ride around on beaches near others who are fishing or swimming need to have their heads checked. I get pissed seeing people riding without helmets let alone in such a public area.

P.s if you know that guy on the yzf who was not wearing a helmet, slap him on the back of the head for me.

[Meanie]

Yep saw it and thought what fucwits, surely they can go be idiots where there is no one around to end up hurt, guess they like an audience

[Starky307]

I get pissed because there are ample areas around to go ride in a safe and controlled manor.
There was a couple of guys who looked to be switched on and were interviewed and came across like they knew right from wrong and more than likely would ride sensibly to an area that was not populated but the guy on the KTM 2 smoke, the guy on the YZF and the off-roader looked like fools hooning around like that.
It happens out at Karioitahia beech as well all the time and the life guards are put in danger as well.

AARRGGHHH
It pisses me off

[short-circuit]

Nah didn't watch Campbell Live so can't really comment

[Blackshear]

Didn't watch that dick.
I seriously hate him so much.

But I agree with what he presumably read off his teleprompter.
Some people seem to think dirtbikes + public beach = Audience.
The only beach I can really think of as suitable for using a motox bike on is Muriwai or 90 mile beach. There may be more, but you get the gist!

[Starky307]

Didn't watch that dick.
I seriously hate him so much.

But I agree with what he presumably read off his teleprompter.
Some people seem to think dirtbikes + public beach = Audience.
The only beach I can really think of as suitable for using a motox bike on is Muriwai or 90 mile beach. There may be more, but you get the gist!

They were at Muriwai and discussing the recently installed speed signs to try and prevent the accidents that happen. I hope the cops blitz it and confiscate all the unregistered and non warranted vehicles that will be there. Not ust the bikes but the off-roaders too.

[quickbuck]

Yep, They said they would be checking for them.... BUT not one of the vehicles that were in the film had a rego or wof... Very easy to tell when you have race numbers down the side..... Okay, there are exceptions, but you know what I mean.

[Elysium]

I'd rather watch Campbell get grilled in court, see how he likes continuesly being asked questions without time to reply and interupted.

[Starky307]

o.k. so now i am starting to see there are a few campbell haters around here.

[dipshit]

Yeah, it's always a case of a few wankers ruining things for everybody else.

Hardly surprising though considering how many wankers ride trail bikes.

[Blackshear]

o.k. so now i am starting to see there are a few campbell haters around here.

It's just his 'fresh' attitude.
And have you noticed.
He.
Does.
NOT.
BREATHE.
I srsly subconsciously breathe when he does, it's unfair.

Good topics, though.

Took my Bandito on the beach the other day, got a stiff chain link now :wari:

That's my input for the night.

[Swoop]

It was interesting that all of the bikes were doing exactly what the article was reporting on...
An easy day as a reporter, covering that story.

A few fishermen about setting longlines. I doubt they would have been impressed.

[noobi]

Yeah, it's always a case of a few wankers ruining things for everybody else.

Hardly surprising though considering how many wankers ride trail bikes.

You being an expert on trail bike riding culture and people obviously???

[jaymzw]

o.k. so now i am starting to see there are a few campbell haters around here.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarvelous!

Nah hes a prick.

[sinfull]

The people who ride around near others who are swimming need to have their heads checked. .
Tried that once ! Had a hell of a time getting the bike out of the pool !

[toycollector10]

AGREED. People go to the beach to surf, fish, skim-board, shag in the dunes, commune with nature, chill out and relax. The last thing they want is a whole lot of C*NTS on two strokes and 4 wheelers showing off and being noisy and inconsiderate. Such as rolling over people in the dunes and killing them, which has happened.

Take your bloody motor things way the f*ck away from the beach, FUCKTARDS!

[dipshit]

You being an expert on trail bike riding culture and people obviously???

I see them all the time with their 'FOX' stickers on the back of their pickup trucks and doing wheelies up and down the street.

The last time I went to the Moeraki boulders beach - a popular tourist spot - there was some wanker on a single cylinder piece of shit riding up and down the beach through all the tourists making as much noise as he could.

Do they think they sound cool or something...???

[McJim]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarvelous!

Nah hes a prick.

Worse than that - he's a smug prick.

[noobi]

I see them all the time with their 'FOX' stickers on the back of their pickup trucks and doing wheelies up and down the street.

The last time I went to the Moeraki boulders beach - a popular tourist spot - there was some wanker on a single cylinder piece of shit riding up and down the beach through all the tourists making as much noise as he could.

Do they think they sound cool or something...???

Sounds like there are some wankers around, huh?
Seems that it is indifferent to road bikes and dirt bikes
Its not like we can just take out bikes and go for a ride, not like you extremely sensible road bike types
It sounds like there have never been any annoying and intolerant people riding road bikes?
Now who you calling black

[homer]

sorry fella , saw it to .
open road speed limits apply

[Elysium]

Worse than that - he's a smug prick.

And throw in some over the top "powerpoint presentation" hand and arm gestures as he talks. :no:

[jaymzw]

And throw in some over the top "powerpoint presentation" hand and arm gestures as he talks. :no:

I say we turn this into a hate John Campbell thread.

He can burn!:2guns::2guns::2guns:!!

[cs363]

Fuckwits! Shoot the lot of them and raise New Zealand's collective IQ.

Didn't see this particular programme but there have been a couple of similar ones on recently (Close Up I think?) focusing on the same issue at Muriwai (and of course the wider picture for all the smug bastards thinking that its only Auckland). What makes that particular venue and these hoons look so ridiculous is that Woodhill Bike Park is only up the friggin road!

Excessively noisy bikes and the fuckwits on them are a danger to everyone but us bikers in particular because it's them that will close our riding areas (for the offroaders) and bring tighter laws and more scrutiny for the road bikers.
Make no mistake, these people are the enemy.

[dipshit]

It sounds like there have never been any annoying and intolerant people riding road bikes?

Plenty of those 'FOX' stickers over everything, wheelies up and down the street/beach types graduate to CBR600's I'm sure.

[cs363]

Oh, and yes John Campbell is a fuckwit too - just a different breed. :)

[quickbuck]

Oh, and yes John Campbell is a fuckwit too - just a different breed. :)

But, But, But, But........
Come on now.... Surely....

[wbks]

I see them all the time with their 'FOX' stickers on the back of their pickup trucks and doing wheelies up and down the street.

The last time I went to the Moeraki boulders beach - a popular tourist spot - there was some wanker on a single cylinder piece of shit riding up and down the beach through all the tourists making as much noise as he could.

Do they think they sound cool or something...???These people are what actual MX/trail riders call "goober"/"goon". Comparable to what you would know as a squid out on the road. I think the ratio of dirt to road wanker % is about equal. But its easy to criticize where dirtbikers ride when you have access to every road in New Zealand and are allowed to ride there without first arranging permition of residents on said road and its owner.

[cs363]

But, But, But, But........
Come on now.... Surely....


Ooops....yes sorry. John Campbell is a maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarvelous fuckwit! :laugh:

[dipshit]

http://www.3news.co.nz/Auckland-places-speed-limits-on-beaches/tabid/309/articleID/84399/cat/84/Default.aspx#video

[cs363]

These people are what actual MX/trail riders call "goober"/"goon". Comparable to what you would know as a squid out on the road. I think the ratio of dirt to road wanker % is about equal. But its easy to criticize where dirtbikers ride when you have access to every road in New Zealand and are allowed to ride there without first arranging permition of residents on said road and its owner.

I don't think anyone is criticising dirt bike riders in general (but I might have missed that!) and your point has some (dubious) validity in the instance where there is nowhere available to ride - BUT as I said in my previous post, these clowns are doing this on the backdoor of a readily available bike park. Not only that, there are a bunch of other places to ride legally well within an hours drive.

[wbks]

Glad to hear I'm not the only cambell hater here. His way of trying to put the heat on the people he's interviewing is as someone else said: ask a fuckload of questions as fast as you can with no break in between and then call them out for not answering. No idea how he got his own show.

[wbks]

I don't think anyone is criticising dirt bike riders in general (but I might have missed that!) and your point has some (dubious) validity in the instance where there is nowhere available to ride - BUT as I said in my previous post, these clowns are doing this on the backdoor of a readily available bike park. Not only that, there are a bunch of other places to ride legally well within an hours drive.
I know you aren't critizng offroaders in general but I was just saying its different having to arrange a trip to go to a ride rather than roll out of the shed like we can on road bikes. But sure, doing it when you are 5 mins from a big track is stupid. Personally I think its nice some times to go off a beaten MX track with a few mates and just pop wheelies and screw around doing what you want.

[Blackshear]

Glad to hear I'm not the only cambell hater here. His way of trying to put the heat on the people he's interviewing is as someone else said: ask a fuckload of questions as fast as you can with no break in between and then call them out for not answering. No idea how he got his own show.

Apologies to the OP on the changed subject, as of late.

YUS I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!
I don't even watch him. Watched him once.
-Smug
-No real talent, bar overenthusiastic
-Covers relevant topics
-Twists to what the majority of viewers want to hear

Idk. I'm tired, gotta be on site at 6am tomorrow.

Enjoy tomorrow, ride safe.

[cs363]

I know you aren't critizng offroaders in general but I was just saying its different having to arrange a trip to go to a ride rather than roll out of the shed like we can on road bikes. But sure, doing it when you are 5 mins from a big track is stupid. Personally I think its nice some times to go off a beaten MX track with a few mates and just pop wheelies and screw around doing what you want.

Hey, don't get me wrong I have dirt bikes as well as road bikes and I don't have an issue with people riding anywhere they like - as long as it's legal/with the landowners permission etc. We have it so good in NZ compared to most other countries, but we have to remember that in the blink of an eye we could lose access to places we now take for granted, just because of the thoughtless actions of a few numbskulls - and that really pisses me off!

Excessively noisy bikes and clowns that do go to events/bike parks etc but choose to race around the car park or up and down the road are equally as bad too FWIW. :angry2:


rant ends... :)

[wbks]

Yea I see what you're saying and its all fair enough.

[Mystic13]

- Clearly there are some folk on here who haven't got over the loss of Paul Holmes and John Hawkesby.....:weep:

- the 3 story was pretty poor reporting. To say the ladies husband was hit by a motorcyclist. Then state he was riding a quad bike was a low shot. Then to let the whole story go on about his injuries and she goes on to say riders need to be aware of other users when they put on their helmets. And the big sub note. Turns out said husband wasn't wearing a helmet. Some one should complain to the broadcasting standards people.

- a friend has been issued a notice down there to his personal vehicle. Him and two kids on off road bikes. He parks the trailer at the end of the metal road and they unload and ride off. The notice points out they cannot ride unregistered and unwarranted vehicles on the beach. Ping! his kids are now effectively banned and he's been put on notice that next time it's a fine. They normally ride north of the estuary, trhough the dunes and into the forest. Bit of a bugger really.

- Many of the shots taken by camera were optical illusions making the bikes seem closer than they were.

- When the girl got killed at Dargaville, which was tragic, by a rider with no light in the evening in poor light the ARC announced the next day that they had been concerned for sometime about bikes at Muriwai. My recollection is that the fatalaties at Muriwai over the years had all bee vehicles. Talk about knee jerk response. I have to wonder if the guy at ARC is just someone who has that "bikes are dangerous mindset".

Oh and to those slagging off John etc. You need to realise he is a voice that you can communicate through. To sit there and slag him off doesn't get the bike story told. I am aware that the media can distort stories and the wording in that story was sensationalised.

It's a real shame that you can't ride up that beach with your kids. So if a kid rides, say my 9 year old on a KLX110 does he get a ticket? for riding an unlicenced and unregistered bike, and for not haivng a licence. Beaches and dunes are made for off road bikes.

I wonder how far up the police will patrol over summer.

Personally I think it's a bit over the top and unwarranted. The beach has been used by vehicles for what 80+ years. They'd be better posting the speed limits and getting people to pull their heads in.

What about a higher speed limit even further up the beach for recreational vehicles. The 30/60 limit seems a bit slow.

[Starky307]

- Clearly there are some folk on here who haven't got over the loss of Paul Holmes and John Hawkesby.....:weep:

- the 3 story was pretty poor reporting. To say the ladies husband was hit by a motorcyclist. Then state he was riding a quad bike was a low shot. Then to let the whole story go on about his injuries and she goes on to say riders need to be aware of other users when they put on their helmets. And the big sub note. Turns out said husband wasn't wearing a helmet. Some one should complain to the broadcasting standards people.

- a friend has been issued a notice down there to his personal vehicle. Him and two kids on off road bikes. He parks the trailer at the end of the metal road and they unload and ride off. The notice points out they cannot ride unregistered and unwarranted vehicles on the beach. Ping! his kids are now effectively banned and he's been put on notice that next time it's a fine. They normally ride north of the estuary, trhough the dunes and into the forest. Bit of a bugger really.

- Many of the shots taken by camera were optical illusions making the bikes seem closer than they were.

- When the girl got killed at Dargaville, which was tragic, by a rider with no light in the evening in poor light the ARC announced the next day that they had been concerned for sometime about bikes at Muriwai. My recollection is that the fatalaties at Muriwai over the years had all bee vehicles. Talk about knee jerk response. I have to wonder if the guy at ARC is just someone who has that "bikes are dangerous mindset".

Oh and to those slagging off John etc. You need to realise he is a voice that you can communicate through. To sit there and slag him off doesn't get the bike story told. I am aware that the media can distort stories and the wording in that story was sensationalised.

It's a real shame that you can't ride up that beach with your kids. So if a kid rides, say my 9 year old on a KLX110 does he get a ticket? for riding an unlicenced and unregistered bike, and for not haivng a licence. Beaches and dunes are made for off road bikes.

I wonder how far up the police will patrol over summer.

Personally I think it's a bit over the top and unwarranted. The beach has been used by vehicles for what 80+ years. They'd be better posting the speed limits and getting people to pull their heads in.

What about a higher speed limit even further up the beach for recreational vehicles. The 30/60 limit seems a bit slow.

What you need to realise is that beaches are public roads, therefore all the vehicles on them require a wof and to be registered and the person using the vehicle needs to be licensed to do so.

If people want to use their dirt bikes, off-road vehicles or any such device that does not or can not be used on a road in a legal manor they need to do it out of site of the law abiding citizens who are at the beach to enjoy it for the purpose of the water and land coming together.

Why not go to your local rugby ground and pull wheelies and hoon around, its a larger open flat area that would be suitable for such an activity... but then it would just make the people who ride responsibly look even worse again.

It only takes one idiot to ruin it for everyone.

The use of beaches are of a big concern to councils and it is a slap in the face when there is the "sandpit" just up the road for motorcycles to use and people are still riding around the beach.

[Swoop]

Clearly there are some folk on here who haven't got over the loss of Paul Holmes....
Nope. Complete fuckwit who showed his true colours on the very first night. Remember his "interview" with Dennis Connor? He only went downhill from there.

To say the ladies husband was hit by a motorcyclist. Then state he was riding a quad bike was a low shot.
Unfortunately the public do, in fact, class them as "a motorbike". It is something that you sit on, so therefore must be a motorbike...

[dipshit]

To say the ladies husband was hit by a motorcyclist. Then state he was riding a quad bike was a low shot.

How do you figure that..?? From what I remember - he was riding a quad and he had an accident with a guy on a dirt bike.





Then to let the whole story go on about his injuries and she goes on to say riders need to be aware of other users when they put on their helmets. And the big sub note. Turns out said husband wasn't wearing a helmet. Some one should complain to the broadcasting standards people.


Again, how do you figure that..?? Now the lady probably has to change her husband's nappies and spoon feed him... so she is in a better position than anybody to remind people to use their helmets all the time.

[Naki Rat]

Glad to hear I'm not the only cambell hater here. His way of trying to put the heat on the people he's interviewing is as someone else said: ask a fuckload of questions as fast as you can with no break in between and then call them out for not answering. No idea how he got his own show.

Wasn't he thrown into the chair when Hawkesby got arsed? I do remember he was stunned mullet material until he found his feet - not like the little upstart he has morphed into nowdays:puke:

[vifferman]

Excessively noisy bikes and the fuckwits on them are a danger to everyone but us bikers in particular because it's them that will close our riding areas (for the offroaders) and bring tighter laws and more scrutiny for the road bikers.
Make no mistake, these people are the enemy.
That's it.
Personally, I don't see any big deal with people using vehicles (even unregistered/unwarranted ones) on beaches, provided they are responsible and considerate about it. It's been a kiwi tradition almost, that people use old tractors to tow boats down to the sea, or have a quad to tootle down for a fish or whatever, and it didn't become an issue until you got fuckwits rolling their SUVs on beaches, or speeding on their bikes, or running people over. I'm sure the cops would've been happy to be able to leave it was it was, and not have to police this.
I'm also sure the bureaucrats are delighted: another opportunity to make more laws, rules'n'regulations.
And the few wankers that spoil it for everyone else will keep doing so, but the rest of us will lose a bit more freedom.

[noobi]

I don't think anyone is criticising dirt bike riders in general (but I might have missed that!) and your point has some (dubious) validity in the instance where there is nowhere available to ride - BUT as I said in my previous post, these clowns are doing this on the backdoor of a readily available bike park. Not only that, there are a bunch of other places to ride legally well within an hours drive.

Sounded like you were when you said
Fuckwits! Shoot the lot of them and raise New Zealand's collective IQ.

Maybe thats something else?
BTW if you shot me im sure the collective IQ would go down not up ffs
Oh yea, and those places within an hours drive of Muriwai are...?

[Finn]

Great. Now the beach is littered with speed signs with COUNCIL pricks checking speed. When with all this shit end?

Fun police fuck off.

[dipshit]

Fun police fuck off.

You really don't get it.

It's the wankers that need to fuck off.

[nodrog]

Great. Now the beach is littered with speed signs with COUNCIL pricks checking speed. When with all this shit end?

Fun police fuck off.

just do your wheelies on the road bro, theres no smelly fishermen or kiddies there to complain.

what i dont get is that they have basically turned the beach into a patrolled road with parking wardens and speed cameras. should you hippes really be letting your fuckin kids play in the middle of the road? whats next a fuckin sandcastle compitition in the middle of spagetti junction?

[Drogen Omen]

Cambell is a fuckin homo :mad:

[Finn]

just do your wheelies on the road bro, theres no smelly fishermen or kiddies there to complain.

what i dont get is that they have basically turned the beach into a patrolled road with parking wardens and speed cameras. should you hippes really be letting your fuckin kids play in the middle of the road? whats next a fuckin sandcastle compitition in the middle of spagetti junction?

Exactly. Dipshit is being a dipshit.

[cs363]

That's it.
Personally, I don't see any big deal with people using vehicles (even unregistered/unwarranted ones) on beaches, provided they are responsible and considerate about it. It's been a kiwi tradition almost, that people use old tractors to tow boats down to the sea, or have a quad to tootle down for a fish or whatever, and it didn't become an issue until you got fuckwits rolling their SUVs on beaches, or speeding on their bikes, or running people over. I'm sure the cops would've been happy to be able to leave it was it was, and not have to police this.
I'm also sure the bureaucrats are delighted: another opportunity to make more laws, rules'n'regulations.
And the few wankers that spoil it for everyone else will keep doing so, but the rest of us will lose a bit more freedom.


yep, can't argue with that! :)

[davebullet]

Close your eyes and Helen Clark and John Campbell sound remarkably similar...

[prettybillie]

Just a quick rant about something that pisses me off.

The people who ride around on beaches near others who are fishing or swimming need to have their heads checked. I get pissed seeing people riding without helmets let alone in such a public area.

P.s if you know that guy on the yzf who was not wearing a helmet, slap him on the back of the head for me.

I didn't watch it - but it's media that's been described here that gives sensible riders a bad name!!!!

[cs363]

Sounded like you were when you said
Maybe thats something else?
BTW if you shot me im sure the collective IQ would go down not up ffs
Oh yea, and those places within an hours drive of Muriwai are...?

I meant shoot the fuckwits, not dirt riders!

Places to ride? Woodhill Bike Park (aka The Sandpit), Ardmore, Thunder Valley, Mercer MX track - OK some might be a bit more than an hour, so drive faster!
These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head (and I live 4 1/2 hours away!) plus there are the organised trail rides of which there are heaps in Auckland/Waikato, Kimmys Farm near Huntly, Power Adventures rides, Riverhead, Maramarua....

[noobi]

I meant shoot the fuckwits, not dirt riders!

Places to ride? Woodhill Bike Park (aka The Sandpit), Ardmore, Thunder Valley, Mercer MX track - OK some might be a bit more than an hour, so drive faster!
These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head (and I live 4 1/2 hours away!) plus there are the organised trail rides of which there are heaps in Auckland/Waikato, Kimmys Farm near Huntly, Power Adventures rides, Riverhead, Maramarua....

ok some poeple should be shot for stupidity fair enough
ATM there are no trail rides organised for this weekend, and none of the places that you listed or I know of are similar to a beach, Yes the Sandpit is sand, but its not fast, doesnt have dunes and has lots of trees to hit
As for the drive faster thing, isnt it 30k?:Oops:

:calm:

[cs363]

ATM there are no trail rides organised for this weekend, and none of the places that you listed or I know of are similar to a beach, Yes the Sandpit is sand, but its not fast, doesnt have dunes and has lots of trees to hit
As for the drive faster thing, isnt it 30k?

Yes, the Sandpit is not fast - but then it's an inanimate object.... :lol:

But you can ride fast there, it all depends on your skill level and seeing as you have expressed concerns about hitting trees perhaps you need to spend more time riding in that type of environment to overcome those worries and raise your skill levels accordingly?
If you just want to hoon it up in the dunes, then what about the bombing range at Kaipara? Locals will know, but I'm assuming you can still ride there? You certainly shouldn't be riding in the dunes on most beaches due to the erosion issues, can't remember what the deal is with that at Muriwai but most beaches have signs up expressly forbidding it for that reason.
No sure what you mean about 30k unless you're talking about the beach, I was talking about driving on the road to get to riding areas.

Anyhoo...heres a link to riding areas: http://www.drd.co.nz/WhereToRide.aspx

Power Adventures are having a ride on 23/12 at Woodhill too.

[noobi]

etc...etc...

Right...?
The thing about sand is that to ride it well, you have to ride it fast, thus the tree issue. I suppose your right about the skill thing but when i did go there i didnt enjoy it at all, ah well
I just find the beach is a good place to ride, and at Kariotahi, my local, when we go there in the winter, no one is crazy enough to be on west coast beaches in winter, there are only the odd fisherman and they normally wave.

[Mystic13]

That's it.
Personally, I don't see any big deal with people using vehicles (even unregistered/unwarranted ones) on beaches, provided they are responsible and considerate about it. It's been a kiwi tradition almost, that people use old tractors to tow boats down to the sea, or have a quad to tootle down for a fish or whatever, and it didn't become an issue until you got fuckwits rolling their SUVs on beaches, or speeding on their bikes, or running people over. I'm sure the cops would've been happy to be able to leave it was it was, and not have to police this.
I'm also sure the bureaucrats are delighted: another opportunity to make more laws, rules'n'regulations.
And the few wankers that spoil it for everyone else will keep doing so, but the rest of us will lose a bit more freedom.

That's what I wanted to say.

Someone on here said leave the beach users in peace. The beach is 40km's long. The beach users are down the South end. I agree leave em in peace.

Hooning on the Southern end or close should be banned. Speed limits are fine. But stopping kids on bikes is a bit tough.

To pull out the "it's a road thing" to ban bikes and unregistered vehicles is unfair.

- So are all the tractors that launch on beaches now going to be ticketed?
- Are the unreg'd quads going fishing up Muriwai going to be ticketed?
- Stop the hooning fine but don't kill everything else and the vast majority of riders and beach buggies etc that will be responsible.

So we get caught with the "It's a legal road" to ping bikes. To take that to the extreme, do we allow sunbathers on the road now? do we allow fisherman to setup camp on the road?

- I bet a blind eye is turned when the quads go fishing.

I agree something has to be done to;
- stop hooning and dangerous driving
- to keep vehicles away from the Southern end. In reality vehicles can access the beach further up.

As a biking community we need to figure out what is important and fight for that. To roll over and die because of the hoon factor or "it's a legal road" is ridiculous.

I notice when the police had a probelm with cars down Queen Street they didn't ban them. They put in a speed limit to enable them to deal with the problem. The problem here is this is a ban on a specific section of the community.

Yes the sandpit is close but it's a track. What if you don't want to ride a track.

For 80 years we could use the beach but now apparently sunbathers and fisherman need quiet enjoyment of 40kms. Oddly the fisherman who go North all use vehicles or quads. So much for quiet enjoyment.

Sunbathers aren't protected. Big 4WD's will still run up the beach. All of the arguments for the ban are just red herrings to jsutify what they're doing.

What they're doing is wrong. Why can't I and my kids quietly ride up the beach. Why are sunbathers down the Southern end in need of protection from me km's away.

Heck even a large section of beach can be allocated to nudists in Kapiti but riders get banned on the whole beach at Muriwai unless they have a road legal bike. Sadly I can still ride there i jsut can't take my kids. But I can drive a car and trailer with their bikes on up the ebach. Walk the bikes off and into the dunes and we're good to go.

If riders accept this then it'll just be another space lost.

We all agree get rid of the hooning etc. Bathers need space.

Oddly enough, thousands of us can legally protest by riding all over the beach and all around the bathers at 30kmph. It seems like a pretty ridiculous outcome.

So do we now call the police everytime we see an unlicenced tractor. How do the surf life saving club launch their inflatable. Do they have a road legal quad? (I don't want them stopped...ever)

This law is selective against bikes and beach buggies. And I expect there will be a blind eye turned toward anything that they feel is okay.

On a ligher note
- will they now park a speed camera van on the beach.
- if it's a road do we have to keep as far left as possible?
- so riders riding in from rimmers road will have to stop at the bottom of the dune and turn the bike around to ride back up because they can't ride onto the beach. Will police draw a line in the sand and ticket ever bike that crosses it?


In this case the law is an ass and there must be a way that we all can co-exist on the beach safely and respecting others. I personally think they should ban vehicle access onto the beach at the Southern most end and make them all use the dirt road by the golf course and ban all vehicles on the Southern end full stop.

Why should road legal 4WD's, road legal cars, road legal bikes, road legal quads and road legal beach buggies be allowed to ride on the wide open beach but quads and bikes that are not registered be banned because they are not made for road use? Let's get real this is really an off road environement. Why can't my 9 year old ride with me but be forced to ride through the dunes? That is so wrong on many levels.

[laserracer]

That's it.
Personally, I don't see any big deal with people using vehicles (even unregistered/unwarranted ones) on beaches, provided they are responsible and considerate about it. It's been a kiwi tradition almost, that people use old tractors to tow boats down to the sea, or have a quad to tootle down for a fish or whatever, and it didn't become an issue until you got fuckwits rolling their SUVs on beaches, or speeding on their bikes, or running people over. I'm sure the cops would've been happy to be able to leave it was it was, and not have to police this.
I'm also sure the bureaucrats are delighted: another opportunity to make more laws, rules'n'regulations.
And the few wankers that spoil it for everyone else will keep doing so, but the rest of us will lose a bit more freedom.

Just a carry on from viffermans post.. are the police now going to check all tractors at beachs that launch boats for w,o,f and rego's what about surf casters that get to there favourite spot with a quad, i think if they are going to enforce this, do it fairly or dont do it at all,i would think our police have better things to do than patrol beaches..whats next.. fined for removing sand thats stuck between your toes.where will it stop:confused:
ps if beaches are classed as roads how come you are able to walk down the middle of it, if you were to go for a walk down the middle of your local street im sure in no time flat someone would call the police, and report that some mad wanker is walking down the middle of the road

[davereid]

To pull out the "it's a road thing" to ban bikes and unregistered vehicles is unfair.

- So are all the tractors that launch on beaches now going to be ticketed?
- Are the unreg'd quads going fishing up Muriwai going to be ticketed?
- Stop the hooning fine but don't kill everything else and the vast majority of riders and beach buggies etc that will be responsible.

So we get caught with the "It's a legal road" to ping bikes.

Yep. Here in Kapiti-Horowhenua the council has warranted a lot of busy-bodies to patrol the beach and issue tickets.

So if you have an unregistered quad you will get a ticket.

But it gets better.

Kapiti Coast DC have proposed a bylaw banning 2-wheel motorcycles from the beach full stop. Even those with rego and WOF, and even though its a legal road.

[laserracer]

Why not make it a ..MAF.. thing.. if you are caught hooning on the beach endangering the public ...fine.. confiscate there bikes.. and sell them.. but leave. the resposable riders alone ..if they aren't causing trouble.
And if you are on a lonely stretch of beach with no one around whats wrong with a bit of a hoon... SHIT I HATE THIS PC WORLD:mad:

[dipshit]

Why can't I and my kids quietly ride up the beach.

No one minds that.

But if the wankers out there can't grow up... then it will ruin things for everybody.

[Mystic13]

No one minds that.

But if the wankers out there can't grow up... then it will ruin things for everybody.

Well it looks like we're all in agreement about what is and isn't appropriate on the beach.

Sadly, someone does mind. The rules now prohibit it and the police will be asked to enforce.

[laserracer]

hmmm maybe mass protest rides .. on beaches protecting riders rights

[noobi]

No one minds that.

But if the wankers out there can't grow up... then it will ruin things for everybody.

Where can you sensibly draw the line at what is being a wanker and what is being not a wanker:crazy:
I bet that people would consider my riding of a 2 stroke to be inappropriate because of the nature of the bike, its makes noise, even if i was just riding in a straight line, without the whellies and stoppies:whistle:
Maybe we should get some 7 year olds on their little bikes to do the "inappropriate" type of riding that these pc freaks consider us to be doing?

[cs363]

*Edited* See Post #55


All quite reasonable points and nothing I can disagree with, unfortunately though the horse has bolted.
Because of a thoughtless few, those in power will now use whatever available laws/by laws etc to control the perceived problem. No point complaining about the actions of the police/councils as they are reacting to a problem caused by others and as the saying goes 'just doing their job'.

It's like the boy racer issue - when we were young we did skids, had drag races and all that other carry on. Difference was we did it in remote areas, cleaned up our mess (bottles etc) and had some respect for the police.
Usually the worst thing that would happen if you did get caught was have your booze confiscated and sent home, or made to leave the car overnight.

Now we have young idiots dropping diesel all over the roads, breaking glass everywhere and racing on main streets and motorways. End result - everybody pays for the slightest infraction whether you're a boy racer or not.
Same idiots doing dodgy modifications and not getting WOFs or rego and now everyone has to jump through hoops and get basic mods such as suspension/wider wheels and so on certified.

Sure, theres nothing wrong with riding on the beach - but anyone with some common sense would have headed up to a quieter part of the beach where people weren't fishing, playing etc. It's common sense and respect for others - two things that seem to be rapidly dissapearing from our world.

[dipshit]

Where can you sensibly draw the line at what is being a wanker and what is being not a wanker

Here's another example of a few wankers ruining things for everyone else.

For several years Doc had been pleading with recreational 4WD and dirt bike users to stay on the tracks in the Macetown reserve near Arrowtown.

I have seen four-wheel drivers for myself in public reserves going off tracks to find a bit of fresh ground/mud and have their wheels spinning at full noise just to see how much mud they can throw into the air and how big a rut they can make. Wankers.

Yet Doc pleadings and warnings have largely fallen on deaf ears and a few wankers continued on having their "fun" as if the world revolves around them and the rules didn't apply to them.

Now the track is closed to all recreational vehicle users. Hardly surprising considering the damage they do.

Yet this hasn't even stopped some still going into the area...

http://www.odt.co.nz/the-regions/otago/11363/trail-bike-riders-warned

[dipshit]

but anyone with some common sense would have headed up to a quieter part of the beach where people weren't fishing, playing etc.

Not the wankers though. They need an audience to admire how cool they are that they can ride a motorbike and make lots of noise and pull wheelies.

Without an audience on a quiet part of the beach - it would be kind of pointless for them and their egos.

[noobi]

Not the wankers though. They need an audience to admire how cool they are that they can ride a motorbike and make lots of noise and pull wheelies.

Without an audience on a quiet part of the beach - it would be kind of pointless for them and their egos.

Without the people telling them to fuck off for being annoying and disruptive, it then wouldn't cater to their egos
Attention seeking 101

[dipshit]

Without the people telling them to fuck off for being annoying and disruptive, it then wouldn't cater to their egos
Attention seeking 101

That's why I think a big piece of driftwood thrown at them would be more effective.

[MarkH]

Why not make it a ..MAF.. thing.. if you are caught hooning on the beach endangering the public ...fine.. confiscate there bikes.. and sell them.. but leave. the resposable riders alone ..if they aren't causing trouble.
And if you are on a lonely stretch of beach with no one around whats wrong with a bit of a hoon... SHIT I HATE THIS PC WORLD:mad:

I agree 100% - if the fuckwits played on a bit of beach further away - no problem. It's the riding around where the bathers are that is going to bring heat on bikers and cause new laws to come in.

I really don't know why they don't ban all vehicles from certain stretches of beach frequented by bathers + 30km limit where people fish & launch boats + ignore (mostly) what bikers/4WDers/Offroaders do on the beaches not generally used by swimmers/sunbathers/fishers/etc. Then these noisy fuckwits causing problems can be told to fuck off up the beach a km or 2 to enjoy themselves away from the bathers. I suppose the problem with common sense is that it is pretty damn rare!

[MarkH]

Close your eyes and Helen Clark and John Campbell sound remarkably similar...

Except Helen Clark's voice is a little deeper and more manly.

[Starky307]

When I startred this thread the point i was trying to raise is that the fools they reported on were just that, fools.

The reason people using tractors and farm quads aren't picked on is because they aren't making everyone around them panic and run for their lives.

The guy on the KTM was riding around in circles doing donuts near other beach users, the guy on the YZF with no protective clothing let alone a helmet is just a massive bilboard of trouble.

It was no different for the person driving the off-roader trying to put it into a drift by twisting the steering wheel back and forward while screaming along the beach.

If i was there i would of packed up and left as i don't want to put myself in harms way with idiots like that around.

And here in lies the big issue, people shouldn't feel unsafe when taking a family to the beach to enjoys what it can offer.

The problem comes in trying to get these reckless beach goers to be responsible for their actions, a blanket rule is used ( beaches being a road, vehicles must be registered etc ) to catch them out. The problem with this is that others who act in a sensible way can then also be punished.

This country lacks BALLS when it comes to sorting out issues like this. Punish the people that are endagnering others and leave the rest alone.

The two bike riders that were interviewed and spoke were more than likely (from the impression i got) the type of people that would ride quietly up the beach out of peoles way and then go have some fun. This is all that is required to make everyone use the beach and enjoy what it can offer.

[chaos rider]

Didn't watch that dick.
I seriously hate him so much.

But I agree with what he presumably read off his teleprompter.
Some people seem to think dirtbikes + public beach = Audience.
The only beach I can really think of as suitable for using a motox bike on is Muriwai or 90 mile beach. There may be more, but you get the gist!

90 mile is a ntional hwy and it is illegal to ride on a national road without a helmet or speed *cough*

[MarkH]

The two bike riders that were interviewed and spoke were more than likely (from the impression i got) the type of people that would ride quietly up the beach out of peoles way and then go have some fun. This is all that is required to make everyone use the beach and enjoy what it can offer.

If this is correct then :2thumbsup to them - if everyone acted sensibly then we wouldn't need the police to step in and enforce the law.