MNZ Super Sport 600 rules?

[Shaun]

Re Super Sport 600 class

Can some one show me where it says in the rules for this class, that a RACE wiring loom is allowed?

Thanks

[Maido]

Re Super Sport 600 class

Can some one show me where it says in the rules for this class, that a RACE wiring loom is allowed?

Thanks

I don't have my copy of the rules beside me, but I am about 90% sure that in 05 the rules were you could alter the loom to allow a/m ECU's. Then in 06 ( i think??) they changed it to the actual loom could be changed. I just tried getting onto the MNZ site to quote it but the rules aren't up??
Have they changed this again? lol wouldn't suprise me seeing as how national season is on us again!

[Shaun]

I don't have my copy of the rules beside me, but I am about 90% sure that in 05 the rules were you could alter the loom to allow a/m ECU's. Then in 06 ( i think??) they changed it to the actual loom could be changed. I just tried getting onto the MNZ site to quote it but the rules aren't up??
Have they changed this again? lol wouldn't suprise me seeing as how national season is on us again!



The MNZ site is having trouble at the moment, and is being worked on, hense my question.

As i was not really around last year, I cannot remember the rules totally, and have noticed a few 600 bikes out and about with the full loom on them, so was wondering the fact in it

[Shaun]

Here is a quote re the rules Maido! Taken from www.nzsbk.co.nz How do you read and understand this mate?

1) Only spark plugs may be replaced. Igniter unit (Blackbox) maybe changed providing wiring loom is not altered.

2) 3-25 Ignition/Engine Control System

Only spark plugs may be replaced. Igniter unit (Blackbox) maybe changed providing wiring loom is not altered.

I know I am a bit thick, but I am sure this is saying in "quote no1- that you can change the ECU, but NOT the wire loom? and then ("Quote2")
it is clarifying that NO alterations are to be done to the loom at all?

[Maido]

Here is a quote re the rules Maido! Taken from www.nzsbk.co.nz How do you read and understand this mate?

1) Only spark plugs may be replaced. Igniter unit (Blackbox) maybe changed providing wiring loom is not altered.

2) 3-25 Ignition/Engine Control System

Only spark plugs may be replaced. Igniter unit (Blackbox) maybe changed providing wiring loom is not altered.

I know I am a bit thick, but I am sure this is saying in "quote no1- that you can change the ECU, but NOT the wire loom? and then ("Quote2")
it is clarifying that NO alterations are to be done to the loom at all?


Yeah Shaun, that is exactly how I read it as well! Only it is different from the rules I have had at home, I will scan and post them tonight. They must have changed them again, excellent communication! How do people without the interweb get on I wonder?

jeremy

PS I think they usually have the new rules in bold on the MNZ website. I will wait till I read the rules on the MNZ site. Also As you cannot change the loom, does this mean that you cannot add to the loom, ie power commanders? That would be interesting.......

[Shaun]

Yeah Shaun, that is exactly how I read it as well! Only it is different from the rules I have had at home, I will scan and post them tonight. They must have changed them again, excellent communication! How do people without the interweb get on I wonder?

jeremy

PS I think they usually have the new rules in bold on the MNZ website. I will wait till I read the rules on the MNZ site. Also As you cannot change the loom, does this mean that you cannot add to the loom, ie power commanders? That would be interesting.......



NO MATE, Power commanders are ok! You can plug into Standard Loom for a power commander only, CANNOT modify Std loom for any thing else or use a race loom.

[Maido]

NO MATE, Power commanders are ok! You can plug into Standard Loom for a power commander only, CANNOT modify Std loom for any thing else or use a race loom.

Shaun, I just looked up the NZSBk site, the loom rule is under fuel injection.

-16 Fuel Injection System

The fuel injection management computer chip (EPROM) may be changed, alternatively an adjustable EPROM devise / wiring loom may be fitted. A heat shield may be installed between the engine and throttle bodies, provided the airbox is not altered.

This clears up the whole PC with its extra loom business.

[Shaun]

So Rule Number 3-25 Ignition/Engine Control System

Only spark plugs may be replaced. Igniter unit (Blackbox) maybe changed providing wiring loom is not altered.

IS WRONG or Rule number -16 is wrong

What a crock of shit, to not be able to put english together so any one can read it and understand:Pokey:

[Maido]

lol, a contridiction in the rules? naaaa!

[codgyoleracer]

Quote : [B]adjustable EPROM devise / wiring loom may be fitted

By this i assume they are covering the wiring & plugs that come with the commander only ?

[Shaun]

Quote : [B]adjustable EPROM devise / wiring loom may be fitted

By this i assume they are covering the wiring & plugs that come with the commander only ?



assssa sumption is great eh G, EEEngrish is better though

[Shaun]

lol, a contridiction in the rules? naaaa!



obviously what is need, is an independent person to prove read the rules before they are published.


And some one who is mechanical ( Totally)

[codgyoleracer]

assssa sumption is great eh G, EEEngrish is better though

I see your point - but ........ummm eerrrrr............the powers to be will make their point if your assumption does not match their intention....... :-)
I mean that in the best possible taste (to quote Kenny Everett)

[suzuki21]

Yes you can change the looms. The rules have allways been odd, needing a lawyer to decipher them, but you will also need a lawyer to try to conflict them.
MNZ website last time I looked still had the old rules from a couple of years ago, eg parts of same manufacturer for superbike class etc - (hi Robert!)
MNZ send out ammendments through mail I believe?

I cant help myself Shaun but I have to give you some stick, do Triumph not make a race ECU and loom for a Triumph Trident? All hail the Jappas!

[Shaun]

Yes you can change the looms. The rules have allways been odd, needing a lawyer to decipher them, but you will also need a lawyer to try to conflict them.
MNZ website last time I looked still had the old rules from a couple of years ago, eg parts of same manufacturer for superbike class etc - (hi Robert!)
MNZ send out ammendments through mail I believe?

I cant help myself Shaun but I have to give you some stick, do Triumph not make a race ECU and loom for a Triumph Trident? All hail the Jappas!



Triumph Trident NO mate, 675 for sure haha an Hail to the Triumph 75 for winning the British Super Sport champs against the VERY best of the Jappas- bahaha, could not help myself either :Punk:

[SlideMoto]

Re Super Sport 600 class

Can some one show me where it says in the rules for this class, that a RACE wiring loom is allowed?

Thanks
sez it in the same section as where it sats "no ohlins top caps on your CBR forks, but its ok to hide them under dummy fork tubes"....

Rules schmulz.

[Shaun]

sez it in the same section as where it sats "no ohlins top caps on your CBR forks, but its ok to hide them under dummy fork tubes"....

Rules schmulz.



Can you explain in better detail than just a dribble

[suzuki21]

Dont quote me on this but Im pretty sure that the rule that says you can have an add on black box and loom covers having a kit loom, as changing to a kit ECU wont work with a standard loom.
There is one very easy way of finding info, ring MNZ. When I have wanted clarification on a rule queery they have e-mailed me back the answer so it is officialy on paper.
Believe me, there is a lot of top riders/teams that would rather run a stock harness.

[Robert Taylor]

Can you explain in better detail than just a dribble

Exactly and in this country Ohlins top caps have never been hidden.

[SlideMoto]

Can you explain in better detail than just a dribble


Exactly and in this country Ohlins top caps have never been hidden.

Who the hell mentioned you two? Bit defensive there chaps.

And mr taylor that's not exactly saying the weren't used before the rules aloud it, is it?

Great ad actually. "Ohlins! Used well before their time..."

[Robert Taylor]

Who the hell mentioned you two? Bit defensive there chaps.

And mr taylor that's not exactly saying the weren't used before the rules aloud it, is it?

Great ad actually. "Ohlins! Used well before their time..."

Ohlins top caps were absolutely not used before they were allowed and you may care to retract your inference. WP caps were used by Ray before they were allowed but as they in themselves added no performance advantage we accepted it and had the rules changed accordingly. That saved a lot of pointless time and machining to adapt standard top caps.
And why single Ohlins out, given that there are several brands......

[Shaun]

Who the hell mentioned you two? Bit defensive there chaps.

And mr taylor that's not exactly saying the weren't used before the rules aloud it, is it?

Great ad actually. "Ohlins! Used well before their time..."



Not defensisve at all, just curious as to where you come up with this stuff?

And to bring a known brand into it, suggestion that it was involved in bending the rules, is not a very nice thing to do

Come tell me the whole story next time we are at a trackday together:lol:

[Maido]

Anyways, Shaun are you talking to Paul about the whole loom thing?
Also Just out of curiosity, do the Triumphs run an A/M loom for their ECU? Pretty much all the jap stuff can, I know for fact that honda can't run the race ECU without at least altering the std loom.

[Teambwr47]

When the new Moto 2 championship is in place will we see the return of equivalent classes in countries around the world I wonder....?

All the talk of after market this and that will be long gone if the class does emerge.....

I quite fancy a prototype 150BHP+ 600cc bike with the best that Ohlins/WP or Showa can produce bolted in place.

[k14]

I quite fancy a prototype 150BHP+ 600cc bike with the best that Ohlins/WP or Showa can produce bolted in place.
Reading the various reports on the web it looks like they are going to be less powerful than the current supersport 600's (the are reported at 140hp) but be roughly 30kg lighter. Yes, wonder if honda may produce something analogous to the rs125/250.