Car vs Bike - 1098 vs GT-R

[bane]

by a car magazine...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=236474&CT=V

[ckai]

It's interesting really, that's the 3rd bike vs car vid I've seen recently and they all say the same thing...bike is good on straights, car better at braking and ultimately cornering. Which totally goes against what I thought.

It explains why I'll always be faster at cornering in a car then on the bike.

[MIXONE]

I'd like a garage with them both parked in it.

[jrandom]

That Skyline'd do a good job of towing a bike trailer.

Also, insert usual comment about the Ducati being a third of the price of the Nissan, etc.

[lostinflyz]

umm well these would be the supersport times from the cadwell park BSB supersport.

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/bsb/news/168025-0/bss_cadwell_park_-_qualifying_times.html

thats over 10 SECONDS faster than that car did. im assuming its the same track -they went over the hill and all.

[Cajun]

if you are coming race bikes you have to throw race cars in there

[lostinflyz]

if you are coming race bikes you have to throw race cars in there

its supersport. the bikes aren't that flash. fine make me look up superstock times

ok superstock times

1000 - 1.31
600 - 1.33
R1 cup - 1.31

add to that the guy coming 52nd in 600 superstock still did 1.40 which is still a fraction quicker than that car went.

source: http://www.tsl-timing.com/?loc=major&season=2008&series=BSB&event=races&source=bsb2006&eventid=83404

[racerhead]

if you are coming race bikes you have to throw race cars in there

They were only the supersport times which arent too far off everyday road bikes and road tyres more importantly so if they put a good rider on the bike it would be interesting to see if the result would be different

[racerhead]

its supersport. the bikes aren't that flash. fine make me look up superstock times

ok superstock times

1000 - 1.31
600 - 1.33
R1 cup - 1.31

add to that the guy coming 52nd in 600 superstock still did 1.40 which is still a fraction quicker than that car went.

source: http://www.tsl-timing.com/?loc=major&season=2008&series=BSB&event=races&source=bsb2006&eventid=83404

Thats spot on because its all down to grip and handling in them classes and anyone could go racing on a stock bike minus lights and road kit so its not like there pure bred race bikes.
Theres actually more fancy race derived equipment in the GT-R

[Cajun]

it could be said to put a good driver in the car, it would go faster,

did that gtr have the speed limiter removed? since limited via a gps.

[fatzx10r]

would of been interesting seeing the gtr up against a desmosedici. i think that they are around the same price tag??

it doesnt really matter anyway, the gtr is still just a car at the end of the day..... did ya see that duc destroy it on the straight's :crazy:

[racerhead]

did that gtr have the speed limiter removed? since limited via a gps.

AFAIK the speed limiters automatically know when on a race track so I presume it was de limited for the shootout

[Cajun]

AFAIK the speed limiters automatically know when on a race track so I presume it was de limited for the shootout

only if its entered in the system thats it a race track. I know when Aussie top gear tested it while ago, it was on there closed air field, but was still limited.

[dipshit]

It's interesting really, that's the 3rd bike vs car vid I've seen recently and they all say the same thing...bike is good on straights, car better at braking and ultimately cornering. Which totally goes against what I thought.

Bikes are shithouse when it comes to braking deep into corners compared to a good car. It isn't just important for who is faster than who... but a car is a lot more forgiving if you find yourself going too fast into a corner unexpectedly.

Was just reading in a magazine that Ducati are looking at developing an ABS system for the front wheel to help with braking in corners. This is one area where bikes can improve on a lot.

[racerhead]

only if its entered in the system thats it a race track. I know when Aussie top gear tested it while ago, it was on there closed air field, but was still limited.

Not totally sure on this but would an airfield count as a racetrack?
Cadwell park is definetly a race track so presume its logged as that on GPS

[lostinflyz]

one of the truly deceptive things in that test was the fact it was still damp. On top gear they say 4 seconds per car. on a bike id wager at least 10 seconds like that.

theres always argument in these comparisons. such is the nature of the testing really.

[vifferman]

Was just reading in a magazine that Ducati are looking at developing an ABS system for the front wheel to help with braking in corners.
Far out! Whatever will they think of next? :rolleyes:

[noobi]

I wonder if they tested a GTR with twice the hp and less weight whether it would be so destroyed on the straights? probably would be, but alot less I would think. Then also less weight means it could brake even deeper into the corners.
What is the point of comparing them again?

[davebullet]

The point being the faster something is around a track, the more enjoyable it must be.... By their logic, a commercial jet would be faster than both a bike and car, so the commercial jet must be the most enjoyable way to travel :lol:

[DELLORTO]

that guy wasnt the best rider anyhow.....

[Gremlin]

Cars always have bigger contact patches, always have, always will. Acceleration is also a given... sheer power to weight.

What is interesting tho, is braking. Tiff in a Honda vs some cbr, it was pointed out in that test that the bike was winning in braking and acceleration, but not mid corner. (iirc)

However, lean a bike over, and your contact patch just got a whole lot smaller.

Good fun to watch, but each to their own. Bike is still more fun, for less dollars.

[johan]

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Was just reading in a magazine that Ducati are looking at developing an ABS system for the front wheel to help with braking in corners. This is one area where bikes can improve on a lot.

I think the Ducati ST has ABS system already. But probably a lot different from what they might put on a superbike?

[roy.nz]

Thats all good that the car is a quicker round the whole track but what i love about biking is the exit on the last bit of clip where the bike totaled the car with ease. Bikes rule :2guns:

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

anyone know what the A1GP's were lapping at Taupo??? could be interesting to compare those times with fastest F1 club racers. Probabley not alot in it (maybe A1's by a nose).

I know superbikes go faster than V8 super tourers at Puke

[johan]

Here are a few results

http://www.mylaps.com/results/showevent.jsp?id=273913

[vtec]

one of the truly deceptive things in that test was the fact it was still damp. On top gear they say 4 seconds per car. on a bike id wager at least 10 seconds like that.

theres always argument in these comparisons. such is the nature of the testing really.


I totally agree, bikes are affected much more by the wet than cars. On a dry day, would be completely different.

[CHOPPA]

anyone know what the A1GP's were lapping at Taupo??? could be interesting to compare those times with fastest F1 club racers. Probabley not alot in it (maybe A1's by a nose).

I know superbikes go faster than V8 super tourers at Puke

The A1 gp cars are about 20 secs faster...

[Ocean1]

The A1 gp cars are about 20 secs faster...

Yup, seriously quick.

Similar power/mass ratio but far more rubber down and huge downforce.

[jrandom]

anyone know what the A1GP's were lapping at Taupo??? could be interesting to compare those times with fastest F1 club racers. Probabley not alot in it (maybe A1's by a nose).

a1gp.com says the A1GP lap record at Taupo is 1:14. Good luck getting anything on two wheels round Taupo that quick!

Another comparison: the A1GP lap record at Brno is 1:47. Casey Stoner set the MotoGP lap record there this year - 1.56.

Four wheels are faster than two.

Still way more boring though.

[BM-GS]

UK mag BiKE did a CBR6 v Lotus a year (or 2) ago. Full datalogging employed to see where the advantages actually lay. Both vehicles did about the same lap time, but made their time up at different places. Car into corners, bike on way out, as you'd expect. Bike could straightline a chicane too, which the car had to slow for.

Bike had a journo on, car had the Lotus test driver, which probably made it a bit easier for the car.

Downforce is a tricky thing for bikes to overcome, it caught out a certain V. Rossi when he took a spin in a Ferrari and he was slow in the corners til he got a few pointers on exactly how much faster he could go. More speed = more downforce = more grip = more speed, etc.

This argument is kinda academic, no argument which is more fun...

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

well thats just embarrassing! haha

[dipshit]

I think the Ducati ST has ABS system already. But probably a lot different from what they might put on a superbike?

Yeah, it's going to be quite different by the sound of it. Standard ABS on a bike doesn't really help with braking when going through a corner.

Ducati are more calling it "traction control for the front".

[dipshit]

Downforce is a tricky thing for bikes to overcome, it caught out a certain V. Rossi when he took a spin in a Ferrari and he was slow in the corners til he got a few pointers on exactly how much faster he could go. More speed = more downforce = more grip = more speed, etc.

It's quite a mind-fuck driving an open-seater when it will fall of a corner at 80mph yet make it through the same corner ok at 120mph.

Tyres getting up to proper temperature and downforce.

[fosham]

Whadya reckon....probably a road nutter, not a good competitive racer? Besides...see the water off the race line/ Good road rider on a damp track on a surface needing grip...yeh, not suprised the car one. Surface favours it, 4 contact points(large) versus 2 contact points (small). But, put a fully competitive race rider on it, a dry track, choice of tyres. Be very interesting. Hmmmmmmm?

[scumdog]

Put four 440ml 12-packs of Woodstock on each and see the difference then..

[LittleJohn]

Interesting to see. Depending on the track but some of the 600's are heaps better through the corners and other tight shit. Would be interesting to see the comparison done on a nice dry track.

Still bikes are so much more fun.

[bane]

did that gtr have the speed limiter removed? since limited via a gps.

just in case anyone was wondering, the commentator gave the answer when he noted the car was doing 125-130mph (autocar is very english, and they still work in mph) into the corner at the end of the straight - therefore no speed limiter.

I see the v-spec GT-R was released by Nissan today (est. 150kg lighter, with better brakes, suspension and turbo response).
Hopefully they will do "bike vs car: v3", v-spec vs 1098r, on a fully dry track.