Scott Watson

[Skyryder]

I'm not wanting to get into further debate on this as I believe I have made my view widely know in other threads on Watson's innocence but due to a query on Watson I discovered this link.

http://www.hunterproductions.co.nz/newstxt.htm#Power01


There's heap of stuff on here for those who have the interest and have not read Hunter Book TRIAL BY TRICKERY.


Skyryder

[Patrick]

That's not yet another author in it for a few $$$ with some dreamt up ideas like the Arthur Allan THOMAS matter, is it? :Pokey:

[JimO]

scott watson is innocent so is tamahere and david bain

[short-circuit]

scott watson is innocent so is tamahere and david bain

So was Peter Ellis

[Virago]

...and Bill Posters.

[short-circuit]

Mark Lundy is pretty dubious as well

[riffer]

Mark Lundy is pretty dubious as well

Anyone who can drive a Falcon from Welly to Palmy and back that quickly and still hatchet a family deserves a V8 Supercar drive.

[short-circuit]

Anyone who can drive a Falcon from Welly to Palmy and back that quickly and still hatchet a family deserves a V8 Supercar drive.

Faster than Carver on a GSX-R1000

[riffer]

Faster than Carver on a GSX-R1000

Yes well, nude day was 6 months ago so no points for that feller.

[Pussy]

Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it

[Sully60]

Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it

What about Jack Ruby?:shutup:

[Hitcher]

Anyone who can drive a Falcon from Welly to Palmy and back that quickly and still hatchet a family deserves a V8 Supercar drive.

Ahem... I have validated Mr Lundy's drive.

[Big Dave]

I was only just saying that to Jimmy Hoffa the other day.

[sinned]

Ahem... I have validated Mr Lundy's drive.
Bike or car?

[Pussy]

What about Jack Ruby?:shutup:

Definitely got Oswald!
Oswald was a patsy in the asassination of JFK.... he was in the neighbourhood, and that's about it

[riffer]

Ahem... I have validated Mr Lundy's drive.

Yes but did you still have the time to hack your family to death?

[Jez]

Definitely got Oswald!
Oswald was a patsy in the asassination of JFK.... he was in the neighbourhood, and that's about it

And if Oswald was the patsy there are alot of people out there who have managed to keep it quiet for a long long time ...

[Pussy]

And if Oswald was the patsy there are alot of people out there who have managed to keep it quiet for a long long time ...

And a HUGE amount of evidence is classified until about 2032.
Watch the Zapruder footage sometime... the penultimate fatal shot came from the front/right of Kennedy

[Jez]

all im saying is that all those people who have kept it secret for so long must be extremely trustworthy people ... so what if they killed a president, if they can keep there mouth shut im gonna find them and tell them some stuff to get it off my chest, i know it would be safe with them :whistle:

[ElCoyote]

Ahem... I have validated Mr Lundy's drive.

What family did you off?

[Hitcher]

Yes but did you still have the time to hack your family to death?

Now my Dark Secret is finally revealed.

[jrandom]

Watch the Zapruder footage sometime... the penultimate fatal shot came from the front/right of Kennedy

Rubbish. JFK's head flopped backwards as half of its contents sprayed out of the exit wound in the front of it.

Try shooting something in the head sometime and watching what happens.

[Hitcher]

Bike or car?

Car. A Ford Telstar TX5 XRI. The legal limit was surpassed, but not outrageously so. Lundy would have been fucked if he'd encountered the law, but they weren't so plentiful or vigilant in those days.

This whole thing was the result of a conversation over dinner, as you do.

No prostitutes were mistreated during the re-enactment.

[Maha]

Rubbish. JFK's head flopped backwards as half of its contents sprayed out of the exit wound in the front of it.

Try shooting something in the head sometime and watching what happens.

JFK had already been hit before the fatal head shot, as this footage shows, he slumps forward first then the head shot.


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[98tls]

JFK had already been hit before the fatal head shot, as this footage shows, he slumps forward first then the head shot.
Watched a doco yonks ago and they came to the conclusion the first shot went through his neck.....dunno,fwiw.

[Maha]

Watched a doco yonks ago and they came to the conclusion the first shot went through his neck.....dunno,fwiw.


Yeah I remember watching a two hour doco on it years ago, there was a shooter on the grassy knoll to the right on the Limo, that, I beleive.

[98tls]

Yeah I remember watching a two hour doco on it years ago, there was a shooter on the grassy knoll to the right on the Limo, that, I beleive. Yea probably the same one mate,so long ago i cant rightly remember the ins/outs but yes they had no doubts there was more than one shooter.Given who/what where etc for my money once they had one guy for it no real attempt was made to find another.

[Maha]

Yea probably the same one mate,so long ago i cant rightly remember the ins/outs but yes they had no doubts there was more than one shooter.Given who/what where etc for my money once they had one guy for it no real attempt was made to find another.

The film clip I posted (I am pretty sure that) it was taken by a guy who worked for the railraod at the time, he was filming from behind the wall on grassy knoll and heard a shot come from his right/left? cant remember exactly, but looked in the direction of the sound and saw a guy in a policeman uniform (dressed that way so it looked like he was ment to be there) running from the scene.


Edit: found the clip..watch this!!


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[98tls]

In the Doco i remember a couple of people they talked to were standing on the knoll and said a shot came from behind them,pretty hard to confuse that with a shot from a building far to there left eh.

[jrandom]

In the Doco i remember a couple of people they talked to were standing on the knoll and said a shot came from behind them,pretty hard to confuse that with a shot from a building far to there left eh.

Man, that's bollocks too; supersonic cracks are impossible to locate aurally.

So much bollocks... ah well, if madly theorising about wildly unlikely conspiracies keeps a bunch of bored Murkns happy, I suppose it does no harm.

:doobey:

[98tls]

Man, that's bollocks too; supersonic cracks are impossible to locate aurally.

So much bollocks... ah well, if madly theorising about wildly unlikely conspiracies keeps a bunch of bored Murkns happy, I suppose it does no harm.

:doobey: Mate ive no idea really on the ins/outs of it just relating what i watched in the doco.Been shooting pigs for most of my life and would have to say i believe i would notice the difference if some prick shot from directly behind me as opposed to away and high up to my left,fwiw.

[jrandom]

just relating what i watched in the doco.

Far too many TV 'documentaries' are complete rubbish, just thrown together to get ratings. Wasn't there a 'documentary' about the moon landings being faked?


i believe i would notice the difference if some prick shot from directly behind me as opposed to away and high up to my left,fwiw.

Course you would. But, try listening to some shots sometime at a similar distance and elevation but different directions. A supersonic bullet cracking along really fucks up your ears' direction finding.

Ho hum, it all depends I guess. Honestly, it beats me why so many people around the world are so interested in the topic. Seems like there's so many other more important and/or fascinating things to worry about.

[SARGE]

Course you would. But, try listening to some shots sometime at a similar distance and elevation but different directions. A supersonic bullet cracking along really fucks up your ears' direction finding.

.

successive shots however allows you to get a bearing..

shoot and move.. shoot and move

[jrandom]

successive shots however allows you to get a bearing..

Mm true true.

But, given the situation, passage of time, various motivations and whatnot, I really have very little faith in any reports of people hearing JFK's assassination shots from 'different directions'.

Beats me why people feel compelled to complicate everything.

[SARGE]

Mm true true.

But, given the situation, passage of time, various motivations and whatnot, I really have very little faith in any reports of people hearing JFK's assassination shots from 'different directions'.

Beats me why people feel compelled to complicate everything.

it was the Freemasons....


seriously though.. in Lebanon.. we were under constant sniper fire.. ..you tend to get a bearing very fast when they buzz past your ear..

[Pussy]

Rubbish. JFK's head flopped backwards as half of its contents sprayed out of the exit wound in the front of it.

Try shooting something in the head sometime and watching what happens.
I've probably shot more deer/pigs/goats than you've had hot dinners.
Kennedy's head clearly goes back and left

[jrandom]

I've probably shot more deer/pigs/goats than you've had hot dinners.

Well then!


Kennedy's head clearly goes back and left

Yes... but not necessarily from a bullet hitting it from the front, au.

[Skyryder]

Talking of conspiracy theories mine is that the Justice system made such amonumental cockup that too many reputations would be sullied if Watson conviction was successfuly appealed.

My bold insertions.

Court of Appeal
The following letter was sent to the three judges of the Court of Appeal, copied to the Chief Justice, on 26 August. There has been neither acknowledgment or response of any sort. A followup letter will be sent to the Chief Justice and the President of the Court of Appeal on Monday 29 October and posted here the following day, 30 October .
26 August 2007
Sir Ivor Richardson
Court of Appeal
PO Box 1606
Wellington
cc Dame Sian Elias, Chief Justice
Dear Sir Ivor
Re: The Appeal in R v Watson, 1999.
I am the author and publisher of Trial By Trickery, a book on the justice system and its treatment of Scott Watson. I enclose a copy. I also enclose a DVD copy of the television documentary Murder On The Blade?, which was broadcast on Television One on 7 November 2003.
I write in respect of your part in declining Watson’s appeal in 1999.
While there are many matters I would draw your attention to, I refer you in particular to chapters Six and Eight of the book and to Part Three of the Film. The book chapters relate to ‘The Two Trip Theory’ and to Watson’s appeal, and the film segment to identification issues.
I remind you first that in your judgment you stated:
In summing up, the trial Judge clearly treated the Wallace evidence as visual identifications of the appellant not only on the water taxi but also on earlier occasions at the Lodge. It therefore becomes apparent that the Crown, defence, and the trial Judge all regarded (Guy) Wallace as having made a visual identification of the appellant. It is beyond question that the case against him depended substantially on the correctness of those identifications, because if they were incorrect the Crown case was seriously undermined .
I ask that you then consider the following passage in Part Three of the film, where eyewitness Guy Wallace makes the following answers, in person, to questions posed by the film:
NARRATOR: If someone had pointed, not at the photograph in Montage B but at Watson himself in court and then asked Guy Wallace if this was the mystery man what would he have said?
WALLACE “I would have said obviously not”
NARRATOR Why?
WALLACE “Because he is not the mystery man..”
NARRATOR Was Scott Watson the man in the water taxi that night or not?
WALLACE “Definitely not.”
You will find elsewhere, in both film and book, a discussion of identification issues and the retraction by Wallace and other key eyewitness of their testimony at trial on the grounds that they were misled by what is essentially a trick photograph.

Secondly, please note the following passage in your judgment:

The two trip theory must have been a possible Crown contention from the outset, and certainly became so as matters developed in the way the defence anticipated they might. Mr Antunovic submitted that the so-called late acknowledgement by the Crown on this point impacted adversely on the defence. It was suggested that more extensive cross-examination of the witnesses who were on board the "Mina Cornelia" and the "Bianco" as to the timing of the appellant’s return with Mr Anderson would have been undertaken. Similarly as regards the witnesses to the Perkins incident ashore, and the absence of evidence as to how the appellant may have returned to the shore. But an examination of the transcript shows that there was extensive cross-examination on those issues.

Your final statement above, ‘… an examination of the transcript shows that there was extensive cross-examination on those issues..’ is incorrect. There is no such cross examination at all. In particular, the question of a return by Watson to shore is entirely absent from the transcript of the trial. It is to be found only in the final address to the jury by the Crown Prosecutor, and there only in the words the prosecutor spoke on the second and final day of that address. An examination of the transcript shows in fact that Watson was convicted on a murder scenario of which neither he nor the jury had been aware until that moment.
Scott Watson’s conviction, by your own judgment, has been ‘seriously undermined’ by Guy Wallace on nationwide television. Even more importantly, he was convicted after being kept unaware, throughout his whole trial, of what he was alleged to have done. For that reason only, he had not mounted a defence against it. The book shows that in fact evidence was available which readily absolves him. Instead, he was tried and convicted on a secret charge. I’m sure you will agree that there can be no greater evil in any justice system than this.
I’m also sure you will find Watson’s continued imprisonment unacceptable in view of these and other issues raised in book and film, and that you will take immediate steps to have Scott Watson treated with the justice he has so far been denied.
I look forward to your response to this letter and its information to you. The letter has also been sent to your colleagues who sat with you in R v Watson, Gault J and Henry J, and has also been copied along with the book and film to the Chief Justice, Dame Sian Elias. It will be posted on the website trialbytrickery.com along with any response you care to make.
Yours Faithfully,

Keith Hunter


I'll let you guys figure out if there was a conspiracy or not. This one is closer to home.


Skyryder

[98tls]

I've probably shot more deer/pigs/goats than you've had hot dinners.
Kennedy's head clearly goes back and left Maybe he just fessed up to shagging Marilyn and Jackie gave him a slappin.

[Big Dave]

it was the Freemasons....





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[pete376403]

I've probably shot more deer/pigs/goats than you've had hot dinners.
Kennedy's head clearly goes back and left
Jackie Kennedy climbs up out of the seat and retrieves head matter off the boot of the car - *something* caused his brains to end up there and a shot from the front seems a likely contender.
(disclaimer - have never shot anything, let alone a president)

[Boob Johnson]

I've probably shot more deer/pigs/goats than you've had hot dinners.
Oh brother, here he goes again :rolleyes:

[Boob Johnson]

One theory of why he was shot was due to his opposition to the Vietnam war. Well known the US has to have a war every so often to keep its economy going. US & UK are the top arms dealers in the world I believe.


Don't believe you need much if any shooting experience to know the general direction the head shot came from, common sense should prevail.

[sels1]

Anyone who can drive a Falcon from Welly to Palmy and back that quickly and still hatchet a family deserves a V8 Supercar drive.

But isnt it funny that his cellphone was clicked at several cellphone sites along the way while he was supposed to be at a motel????

[Pixie]

Course you would. But, try listening to some shots sometime at a similar distance and elevation but different directions. A supersonic bullet cracking along really fucks up your ears' direction finding.

You are absolutely right.The "crack" is what each individual observer hears as the shock wave (sonic boom) sweeps past his ears.
So, effectively,the origin is at the observer's location.

[Patrick]

Far too many TV 'documentaries' are complete rubbish, just thrown together to get ratings. Wasn't there a 'documentary' about the moon landings being faked?

It is true. Fakes. I saw it on telly....:niceone:

But I do wonder why the Hubble doesn't zoom in on the left over bits just to shut up the consiracy theorists.....


I've probably shot more deer/pigs/goats than you've had hot dinners.
Kennedy's head clearly goes back and left

That's it... I'm unsure about that offer for coffee and cake now....:eek:

[carver]

Faster than Carver on a GSX-R1000

yeah, way faster, everyone knows that

[Swoop]

But I do wonder why the Hubble doesn't zoom in on the left over bits just to shut up the consiracy theorists.....
I have wondered the same.
Perhaps it has to do with the amount of reflected light from the surface. The hubble is used for looking out into the darker regions of space, so might need a pair of Ray Ban's before looking at the moon?

[Hitcher]

The Hubble is overkill to look at Apollo residue on the Moon. There are plenty of other telescopes capable of the same result.

http://www.google.com/moon/

[Patrick]

The Hubble is overkill to look at Apollo residue on the Moon. There are plenty of other telescopes capable of the same result.

http://www.google.com/moon/

But... but... those are moon "charts" with draftsman type grids and lines showing a supposed place of interest, not the actual piece of space junk... The attached photos of these "places of interest are photo shopped...:innocent:

[Jantar]

Photo shop in 1969. :rofl:

[Patrick]

Feck.... Sprung....

But... but... google moon wasn't there in 1969 either...???

[wbks]

You guys think they landed on the moon in '69?

[Patrick]

Ummm... no?

[Lucy]

Photoshop is overrated. I used to do marvellous things with photocopiers, scissors and invisible sellotape in the early 80's. And I didn't work at NASA.

[Coldrider]

Rodney Hide wants answers from authorities including police and Crown Law to answer allegations about their conduct in the Scott Watson case, in particular to Hunters criticism in his book, Trial; by Trickey.
Now we know what Rodney has been reading lately, and what changes policy in the future.

[MisterD]

Oh shit, we're into uncharted territory here...Skyryder and Rodney on the same side of an argument...

[Coldrider]

Oh shit, we're into uncharted territory here...Skyryder and Rodney on the same side of an argument...

Rodney is not stating he is a Scott Watson supporter, yet.

[MisterD]

Huge holes rent in the fabric of space and time averted for now then...

[JimO]

holy thread dredge batman

[scissorhands]

all the chickens are coming home to roost.....

Why wont Watson meet Olivias dad?

If hes not guilty, he should look him in the eye and say so....

[korimako1]

all the chickens are coming home to roost.....

Why wont Watson meet Olivias dad?

If hes not guilty, he should look him in the eye and say so....

probably, because he's in jail, numbnuts. its not a Mcdonalds ad. no no no no no no no ,yes.

[oldrider]

holy thread dredge batman

Meanwhile (an "innocent" man?) Scott Watson waits! :wait:

[scissorhands]

probably, because he's in jail, numbnuts. its not a Mcdonalds ad. no no no no no no no ,yes.

hey fucknuckle, wakey wakey hands off snakey

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10896129

Gerald Hope says he is still willing to meet the man convicted of murdering his daughter so Scott Watson can try to convince him of his innocence.

Mr Hope has renewed his offer to meet Watson, 41, who is serving a life sentence for murdering Olivia Hope and friend Ben Smart in 1998.........

[Katman]

hey fucknuckle, wakey wakey hands off snakey

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10896129

Gerald Hope says he is still willing to meet the man convicted of murdering his daughter so Scott Watson can try to convince him of his innocence.

Mr Hope has renewed his offer to meet Watson, 41, who is serving a life sentence for murdering Olivia Hope and friend Ben Smart in 1998.........

This is an interesting comment from that article.

"A detective who worked on the inquiry, Michael Chappell, believes Watson is innocent and became the prime suspect too quickly."

[Katman]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10478198

[scissorhands]

I think Watson has trouble looking anyone in the eye, and may be fearful of Mr Hope reading his behaviour incorrectly?

Like a lot of people with communication disorders who get read incorrectly by authorities.....

IYKWIM

[Banditbandit]

So .. here are Olivia Hope before they went missing (never found)

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1373342011/955/8896955.jpg

Here is Olivia Palermo ...

http://www.oliviapalermo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Olivia-Palermo2-480x360.jpg

Go here for her website - based in

http://www.oliviapalermo.com/

See .. now maybe she is not dead after all ...

[korimako1]

hey fucknuckle, wakey wakey hands off snakey

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10896129

Gerald Hope says he is still willing to meet the man convicted of murdering his daughter so Scott Watson can try to convince him of his innocence.

Mr Hope has renewed his offer to meet Watson, 41, who is serving a life sentence for murdering Olivia Hope and friend Ben Smart in 1998.........

Sorry the point I was trying to make is that victims families cant just breeze up to a prison and say I want to talk to who ever. Like wise prisoners cant just make statements to victims families. And when he is released, paroled whatever he will have conditions imposed and you can bet one of them will be no contact with the Hopes and possibly media.

[Kickaha]

I think Watson has trouble looking anyone in the eye, and may be fearful of Mr Hope reading his behaviour incorrectly?

Like a lot of people with communication disorders who get read incorrectly by authorities.....

IYKWIM

Yeah he's probably Autistic, not as though you've ever said that about anyone else accused of a crime :facepalm:

Bring back Sir Francis Galton

[scissorhands]

Yeah he's probably Autistic, not as though you've ever said that about anyone else accused of a crime :facepalm:

Bring back Sir Francis Galton

I never said he was anything.

I was just trying to find responses from others, as to why he would not meet Mr Hope, as Gerald Hope wishes to meet him....

I insinuated poor eye contact, purely from internet photos and his past behaviours, but I know nothing about the man.

However, dollars for doughnuts, he has a mental condition, or difference, as he had antisocial behaviours, and a solitary existence before being convicted, solitary life being a strong marker for autisms
and schizoid/schizo typical conditions:dodge:

[neels]

Or alteratively, he's not that interested in meeting Mr Hope, given what he's said publicly about him.

Anyway what would be the point, if he says he didn't do it Mr Hope isn't going to believe him, any anything else he might say would probably be misinterpreted and then reported back to the media.

Still waiting for some bodies to turn up to prove that someone was actually murdered in the first place :wait:

[Kickaha]

However, dollars for doughnuts, he has a mental condition, or difference, as he had antisocial behaviours, and a solitary existence before being convicted, solitary life being a strong marker for autisms and schizoid/schizo typical conditions:dodge:

:yawn: never saw that coming:tugger:

[unstuck]

:yawn: never saw that coming:tugger:

I dont think that is what Sir Francis was meaning with " Regression towards the mean.":devil2::lol::lol::2thumbsup

[scissorhands]

Meanies are just your average
Fall outside the meanies at your peril
Whether below, or above the mean
mean cunts kick you when your down
mean cunts cut tall poppies down

Heil the mean

[Swoop]

However, dollars for doughnuts

Can we please keep the motto of the NZ Police Association out of this?