Learner rules

[wbks]

Saw in another thread that the new rules for learner (or proposed changes), and presumably restricted riders are that anything between 250 and 650 with less than a 150kw per kilotonne power-weight ratio is eligable to legally ride. So for anyone who may know : Does this mean a zx6 for example, tuned down to the regulations, will be legal? Or does the bike need to come from the factory with that limit??

[Gremlin]

If it ain't on the list, no go.

The zx6 doesn't come close to meeting regs stock, and often wasn't permitted under exemptions either.

[FastBikeGear]

Saw in another thread that the new rules for learner (or proposed changes), and presumably restricted riders are that anything between 250 and 650 with less than a 150kw per kilotonne power-weight ratio is eligable to legally ride. So for anyone who may know : Does this mean a zx6 for example, tuned down to the regulations, will be legal? Or does the bike need to come from the factory with that limit??

Interestingly a Honda VTR 250 isn't on the list and even allowing for a 60K rider a 139Kg bike is only allowed 29.8hp so it also fails the 150Kw per tonne limit.

Yet teh VTR 250 is almost universally recommended as one of the best learner friendly learner bikes by expecerienced motorcyclists and motorbike shops.

[MSTRS]

Interestingly a Honda VTR 250 isn't on the list ....

The 'list' is an Australian one, so one can expect some anomolies as to certain models.
Good point tho, as a law/rule is only as good as the way it is written.
I believe the intent is that all 250s (and under) EXCEPT for named 2 stroke models are allowed PLUS the named larger capacity bikes.

[gixxer-king]

any news on when this law is appearing?

[Tony]

any news on when this law is appearing?

They have some pressure to meet July 1st 2009 schedule.

[gixxer-king]

oh shit, time to move bum and start getting exemptions then. any news reference? link?

[Tony]

oh shit, time to move bum and start getting exemptions then. any news reference? link?


Yes reference is page 19 of Bill No. 5. (ref http://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/all...t_BIM%20_0.pdf)

Exerpt from this quoted below.



BRIEFING
TO
INCOMING MINISTER OF TRANSPORT
PREPARED BY
THE MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT
November 2008

"Land Transport Amendment Bill (No 5)
This Bill is being drafted. It will include a range of changes aimed at improving road safety, including the final package of measures to implement the Road Safety Strategy to 2010.

(The provisions of this Bill complement the changes to the Graduated Driver Licence System under the Land Transport Amendment Bill (No. 5), as part of the Road Safety Strategy to 2010.)

...The Bill also deals with all remaining provisions in the Transport Act 1962, such as parking warden powers and bylaw-making powers. The provisions of the Transport Act are currently subject to a 1 July 2009 sunset clause, that is, they will expire on 1 July 2009.

The Bill was referred to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee but public submissions were not called for."

So they need to get this thru by 1st of July 2009.

[prettybillie]

The Bill was referred to the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee but public submissions were not called for."



Hmmmm I wonder if we can get this changed. Public submissions are needed for a bill like this!!!!

[firefighter]

any news on when this law is appearing?

three years ago, two years ago, last year...........:sleep: ie. don't even think about it, it will happen one day, but I don't see it being in anyway soon.

[C_A]

was just thinking about this actually.....
does the learner expiry thing take effect at the same time? I've been on my learners for like 3 years and need to get around to doing my restricted/works too busy to do it during the week. HAs the bill been passed to drop people like me off the edge of the spectrum yet?

[McWild]

Interestingly a Honda VTR 250 isn't on the list and even allowing for a 60K rider a 139Kg bike is only allowed 29.8hp so it also fails the 150Kw per tonne limit.

Yet teh VTR 250 is almost universally recommended as one of the best learner friendly learner bikes by expecerienced motorcyclists and motorbike shops.

A 90kg rider is factored into the weight of the bike, hence ZXRs, CBRs, RGs etc are still legally under the limit whilst the RGVs and NSRs are over.

[firefighter]

A 90kg rider is factored into the weight of the bike, hence ZXRs, CBRs, RGs etc are still legally under the limit whilst the RGVs and NSRs are over.

So how in the fuck do they work this out? are the cops going to carry around a set of scales in their cars now? lol

[MSTRS]

So how in the fuck do they work this out? are the cops going to carry around a set of scales in their cars now? lol

Nope. The laws of averageness say that a guy is 90kg and a girl is 70kg. Your actual weight matters not a whit. Same as when you fly.

[firefighter]

Nope. The laws of averageness say that a guy is 90kg and a girl is 70kg. Your actual weight matters not a whit. Same as when you fly.

So your saying that i'm above "average"? lol :laugh: I think that average weight should be raised.......I mean, i'm sure now that the average weight would be clser to 100?

[Tony]

three years ago, two years ago, last year...........:sleep: ie. don't even think about it, it will happen one day, but I don't see it being in anyway soon.

I made a quick phone call to the office of the Hon steven Joyce (then Misinster for Transport). Very friendly and helpful staff.

I learned that some parts of the bill require primary changes to legislation and some parts don't. (I am guessing this means there could be different time frames for different parts of the bill. It could mean that there is opportunity for more submissions on some parts of the bill - I understand that there has been some consultation with different industry groups and BRONZ on this issue already and I think that most people who are familar with the proposed changes are very keen on them being introduced as soon as possible.

They understandably couldn't advise me of the progress off hand and suggested that I send and email so that they can get back to me with the info.

I will post when I have a response.

[FastBikeGear]

Interestingly a Honda VTR 250 isn't on the list and even allowing for a 60K rider a 139Kg bike is only allowed 29.8hp so it also fails the 150Kw per tonne limit.

Yet the VTR 250 is almost universally recommended as one of the best learner friendly learner bikes by experienced motorcyclists and motorbike shops.

Correction: I see that they allow for an 80kg rider not a 60kg rider so the VTR 250 does comply.

[FJRider]

Does this mean, we might see a few Harleys with L plates on... ??? :chase:

[nallac]

Does this mean, we might see a few Harleys with L plates on... ??? :chase:


most likely not, as its easy to bore an 883 out to 1200 and still have 883 written on the barrels....

even tho they would still make a good learners bike...for some.