Learning lines

[prettybillie]

Heya

I've not been riding long and have just learned that all the advice that has been given to me in the past has been incorrect :angry2:. I need to learn how to corner properly - lines, breaking points blah blah blah. Can anyone help????

[homer]

yep . go and do an advanced motorcycle course .
you will lear a lot , lots you already know but dont do, and lots of new learning as well .
and you can do in a safe enviroment , on a track.

[DUCATI*HARD]

[QUOTE=prettybillie;1868636]Heya

I've not been riding long and have just learned that all the advice that has been given to me in the past has been incorrect :angry2:.

What advice has been given?

[The Stranger]

If it's for the road, I suggest you check out the RRRS course on the 18th of Jan.

[Katman]

If it's for the road

As Noel suggests, there's a distinct difference between road lines and racetrack lines.

[ArcherWC]

I dont believe there really is "right" lines, it depends on the bike, track/road, rider and conditions.
Just follow as many people as possible, learn from ALL of them and take from each what feels right for you.

The RRRS course would be a VERY good stating point for you

[Mr Merde]

I have been riding now for 36 years. NEver had a car licence.

I'm still learning.

A lot of things I do now subconsiously. I dont actually remeber doing them.

After a couple of "offs" in the past two years I decided to try and consiously check what I was doing. Bad habits creep in without us ever knowing.

First thing I noticed was that I was very hard on the brakes. I would scream into corners and then apply the brakes quite heavily to enable me to scrub enough spped off so as to be able to corner smoothly. Fine line here. Started being a little more aware of when and where I was braking. Practised riding distances without using the brakes at all, just throttle and clutch contro. This is scary as after so long in the saddle it took a concerted effort to keep myself from using them. Personally I now feel a lot more confident going into corners and such. Also on straighter roads I find myself giving a lot more space betwwen the preceeding vehicles and myself.

Second thing I noticed was that actually in the corners I was having difficulties in that I was overstering and under steering. Things just didnt seem smooth. What I did was follow a lot of different vehicles into corners. I watched their lines as I did so and tried to emulate these.

It is a fact that a car will out corner a motorcycle. They have more rubber on the road and therefore more grip. I followed a few cars through the twisties going to my house and positioned myself in different place in relation to the rear of the car. What did I find?

This is only personal but I found that if I take a line similar to that of the drivers side wheels I seem to get around smoother with less effort.

As I have stated this is all personal experience and I am still attempting to make my riding safer and more enjoyable everytime I get into the saddle. After 36 years I have still so much to learn or relearn.

My advice to you would be to take things easy. Dont rush. Find out what feels safe and comfortable to yourself and build upon that. In our chosen method of transport errors of judgement and mistakes can at the least be bloody painful and at the worst be fatal.


Chris

[MyGSXF]

A RRRS course would be awesome for you to go to!!!! :Punk:

& here's a list of your Ak mentors, give one of them a bell & book in for some quality time! :scooter:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/mentors.php?do=list

[Rodney007]

i suggest you go to a trackday, follow people lines, watch there brake lights,

careful who you listen to here, %50 of them are useless

[ManDownUnder]

RRRS - learn the "right" way - then spend time on the road with people you like riding with. Their track records should speak for themselves (i.e. rule them out if they claim to be good but fall off every 6 months...).

I agree with Archer (God it hurts to say that)... everyone has their own style in the end - but I think that develops over time. The RRRS course will give you a good starting point - after that you refine it through time in the saddle.

A trackday will help get you familiar with your bike for sure - and it's highly recommended... but after that - time on the road... nothing beats experience and that doesn't come from a book.

[discotex]

What was the advice you were given that was wrong?

Best advice I ever got for *road* riding is:

a) Do your braking before the corner. If you've picked the right entry speed there is almost no need to trail the brakes on the road. Only thing I can think of is a downhill corner and you're in the wrong gear.

b) Slow in fast out - basically a combination of a above and b below.

c) Apex as late as possible for maximum visibility and more options if the corner tightens. You want the green line in this description of late apexing (http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3555).

d) Use the vanishing point - If it's moving closer the corner is tightening and vice versa.

e) And of course... Look where you want to be next.

[jrandom]

What they said.

Although I question whether it's really 'lines' that you need to learn. Being able to control your bike well enough to consistently ride the line that you consciously know to be ideal might be your sticking point.

Yes, you take different 'lines' on the track and the road, but once you are more or less at one with your motorcycle, you are free to use the huge amount of spare mental energy that gives you to pick whatever approach is safest and smoothest.

So I'd advise both attending RRRS to learn road riding techniques, and spending some time in the 'new riders' group at some trackdays to become attuned to the physics involved in riding your motorcycle in a safe and predictable environment.

Whole life balance!

:niceone:

[prettybillie]

i suggest you go to a trackday, follow people lines, watch there brake lights,

careful who you listen to here, %50 of them are useless

Check out my post about AMCC ART day - hmmmm need to try a different track organiser I think!!!!

[prettybillie]

[QUOTE=prettybillie;1868636]Heya

I've not been riding long and have just learned that all the advice that has been given to me in the past has been incorrect :angry2:.

What advice has been given?

Biggest crock of shit I've been told is never use the front break. WTF? I think my ex might have wanted to kill me!!!!!

[vifferman]

[quote=DUCATI*HARD;1868706]

Biggest crock of shit I've been told is never use the front break. WTF? I think my ex might have wanted to kill me!!!!!
Did he ride him a hawg?

He may have meant to "not use the front brake in the corner". But even this is misinformation. You can brake (with either brake) in a corner, as long as you don't brake hard enough to use up available grip or unsettle the bike.

[The Stranger]

[QUOTE=DUCATI*HARD;1868706]

Biggest crock of shit I've been told is never use the front break. WTF? I think my ex might have wanted to kill me!!!!!

As a matter of interest, did you leave him, or did he leave you?

[prettybillie]

[QUOTE=prettybillie;1897594]

As a matter of interest, did you leave him, or did he leave you?

The cunt dumped me.......I KNOW!!!! More fool me really!!!!!

[fizbin]

Road or track?
having never ridden on the track i can even begin to talk about that :Oops: but if you are after basic road advice then i might suggest the NASS. Depends on your skill level and what you want out of it but most people find that it offers very good advice and will answer almost all of your road (and sometimes track) questions.:scooter:
Give it ago it is free and if it not what you are after then all you have wasted is an evening of pleasant company :innocent:..... well most of us are pleasant:bash:

[Supermac Jr]

If it's for the road, I suggest you check out the RRRS course on the 18th of Jan.

I went to the RRRS course on Sunday - its an absolute MUST!

the guys pointed out some of the things I need to change (based on wrong advise..:spanking:.) so some of the things just feel different but I follow the reason(s) behind the change. its just annoying having to unlearn and re-learn.

[sosman]

Get a bucket & thrash the fuck out of it(ok take it easy to start) while learning lines & race craft & i'll bet ya yr mean GSXR6hundy will feel like a wollowing whale with grunt!.
Just go down on practice day,plenty of fella's will let ya have a go & its a good way to scrub in those leathers at low speed too! Muhaha

[McJim]

So you have ridden a 600 IL4 sprotbike without using the front brake and you can still type/walk/eat solid food?

Your skills must be impressive indeed.

As has been said before for roadcraft you can't beat RRRS - I used a few of the principles from that course when I sold my wife's RG150 to a fella down here. Wouldn't let him ride the open road until I had him doing passable emergency stops using both brakes (also made him do figure eights and taught him about late apex cornering) That was a year ago and I've still seen him riding around so I'd like to think I had some hand in that.

[sinfull]

Did he ride him a hawg?

He may have meant to "not use the front brake in the corner". But even this is misinformation. You can brake (with either brake) in a corner, as long as you don't brake hard enough to use up available grip or unsettle the bike.
One extreem to another V man !

So you have ridden a 600 IL4 sprotbike without using the front brake and you can still type/walk/eat solid food?

Your skills must be impressive indeed.

As has been said before for roadcraft you can't beat RRRS - I used a few of the principles from that course when I sold my wife's RG150 to a fella down here. Wouldn't let him ride the open road until I had him doing passable emergency stops using both brakes (also made him do figure eights and taught him about late apex cornering) That was a year ago and I've still seen him riding around so I'd like to think I had some hand in that.
+1 or was that a dozen posts saying the rrrs course ? Track days like youv'e just done will teach you what your bike is capable of (and get you addicted to them) but if ya wanna stay safe on the road do as many road safe courses as ya can find !
You might find your bike is set up very well (from a previous post lol) Wont say do it this way or do it that way, but i will say that a back brake is only any good for holding you on a hill ! And that touching a front brake in a corner could stand your bike upright (but you will know that by now)

[Winston001]

Best advice I ever got for *road* riding is:

a) Do your braking before the corner. If you've picked the right entry speed there is almost no need to trail the brakes on the road. Only thing I can think of is a downhill corner and you're in the wrong gear.

b) Slow in fast out -


This I don't get - if you go into a corner slowly, certainly that is safe. But you are unlikely to be leaning and carving a line.

I sincerely think that one person's "slow" might be damned fast to another. I can tell you that my idea of slow left me hundreds of meters behind other riders. :crazy:

So while respecting the advice, its not particularly meaningful.

[The Stranger]

This I don't get - if you go into a corner slowly, certainly that is safe. But you are unlikely to be leaning and carving a line.

I sincerely think that one person's "slow" might be damned fast to another. I can tell you that my idea of slow left me hundreds of meters behind other riders. :crazy:

So while respecting the advice, its not particularly meaningful.

I've always taken that to mean that you are better to err on the slow (for your ability) side on entry and accellerate through the corner.
Lets face it if you listen to dipshit the most common bike accident is leaving a RH bend. The majority of those accidents would not have happened had they adopted the slow in side of the equasion, so I would have thought it fairly sound advice.

It occurs to me the biggest issue you faced was determining what was slow or fast for you for a given corner prior to reaching it.

[jrandom]

So you have ridden a 600 IL4 sprotbike without using the front brake and you can still type/walk/eat solid food?

I make riding without touching the brakes a regular exercise on the road. Roll on, roll off, happiness and contentment shortly follow.

[Mully]

Roll on, roll off, happiness and contentment shortly follow.

Like the Karate Kid?

+whatever number for RRRS - did it on Sunday and it was eye-opening.

[discotex]

This I don't get - if you go into a corner slowly, certainly that is safe. But you are unlikely to be leaning and carving a line.

I sincerely think that one person's "slow" might be damned fast to another. I can tell you that my idea of slow left me hundreds of meters behind other riders. :crazy:

So while respecting the advice, its not particularly meaningful.

The Stranger hit the nail on the head.

It's all relative to your ability. A lot of people have a tendency to attack corners with lots of speed and find themselves doing the opposite. Fast in, slow out. Often that's combined with braking mid corner or running wide on exit. Not to mention the "oh shit" moments if the corner tightens.

[retro asian]

Road or track?
having never ridden on the track i can even begin to talk about that :Oops: but if you are after basic road advice then i might suggest the NASS. Depends on your skill level and what you want out of it but most people find that it offers very good advice and will answer almost all of your road (and sometimes track) questions.:scooter:
Give it ago it is free and if it not what you are after then all you have wasted is an evening of pleasant company :innocent:..... well most of us are pleasant:bash:

+1 for NASS

Best value for no money too :2thumbsup

[The Stranger]

+1 for NASS

Best value for no money too :2thumbsup


With all due respect to Dawn and the others that have given of their valuable time. Whilst it is possible to practise specific skills it is not possible in the short time available and with a transient class from week to week to bring those skills together and demonstrate how each piece fits in to the puzzle. There is no way to assess each individual and move them to a logical conclusion, it can't be done in the current format.

I think that like a trackday, the NASS is an excellent idea and allows you to tick off some boxes.

You already know my advice.

[quickbuck]

I make riding without touching the brakes a regular exercise on the road. Roll on, roll off, happiness and contentment shortly follow.

I have taken this approach in my middle age too.....
Saves a lot of wear and tear.... and makes a much smoother rider... not to mention improves corner speeds.

I'm organising an RRRS course for the boys and girls down this way for late May.
Haven't done one myself, so it will be interesting.
Done many courses myself... you can not be over-trained!

[Winston001]

The Stranger hit the nail on the head.

It's all relative to your ability. A lot of people have a tendency to attack corners with lots of speed and find themselves doing the opposite. Fast in, slow out. Often that's combined with braking mid corner or running wide on exit. Not to mention the "oh shit" moments if the corner tightens.

Believe me I'm not disagreeing or arguing, just struggling to understand it.

The following comments apply to roads where you can't see the whole corner until you are near the apex. Plenty of roads like that in NZ. On sweeping open roads I don't usually have a problem.

I have a mate who is vastly more experienced than myself. Even riding a Ducati I cannot keep up with him on a windy road, always end up braking just as I arrive at the corner. He isn't going slow into it, yet he gets around and zooms ahead - on a 650.

The reason I brake is that I don't know the corner, can't see around it and want to feel safe. No idea how sharp it is, whether a car/truck/tractor is coming etc. Does that make me a wimp? - cos that's the way I feel watching other riders and reading on KB about riding.

Its not possible to scrape sidestands etc going slow into corners yet on here we regularly read about scraping. Personally I've only ever scraped a boot, in North Canterbury at 150k which was rather exciting. But otherwise it doesn't happen.

My point is that always going slow into unknown corners and fast out works for safety, but other riders don't do it. So how do they know better that the road is clear or doesn't tighten?


In fact I asked my mate this exact question after we'd run through a tight country road south of Tauranga. His answer was that he and the other bike just expected the road to be clear......:eek5:

[mister.koz]

There's allot of good advice here, one thing i would add is that if you don't feel safe cornering at high speed then don't.... work your way up to it. The best way to put a bike down is to ride beyond your personal limits.

If you get a fright or go beyond your limits, you are ill-equipped to handle unexpected things. A pothole or a gravel patch means you have to adjust your line slightly, if you freak out then you have less chance of making that decision correctly.

I have a similar problem, my bike was designed, built and then re-engineered to be very fast. My ability is WELL behind my bike so i end up going through corners and thinking "i could have done that allot faster". As time goes on and advice is accepted from people in our group, my cornering speed has increased somewhat but only with my ability. Quite a few times people tell me i am corner too slow for them to follow, sweet as they can pass, meet them at the next stop.

Best advice i can suggest is to keep on learning, there's no easy answer. Figure out the dynamic's of cornering and practice cornering on familiar roads so you can carefully increase your speed. Also, ride to the vanishing point, if you can't stop in your visual range, you are riding too fast.

Quasi once said in a thread:

If you can't see around the corner then you need to go slow, what about the tractor parked out of view

[discotex]

Believe me I'm not disagreeing or arguing, just struggling to understand it.

I'd assumed that so no worries mate.



The reason I brake is that I don't know the corner, can't see around it and want to feel safe. No idea how sharp it is, whether a car/truck/tractor is coming etc. Does that make me a wimp? - cos that's the way I feel watching other riders and reading on KB about riding.


It's probably one of two possibilities.

a) your line isn't apexing late enough. If you apex later you can see better and will also have faster corner exit speed as you can open the throttle earlier. Knowing you have some room for error can help speed you up ironically.

b) you're being rightly cautious (which is up to you how you choose how to feel about it).




My point is that always going slow into unknown corners and fast out works for safety, but other riders don't do it. So how do they know better that the road is clear or doesn't tighten?

They don't... Riding assuming the corner is clear would have to be the leading cause of single vehicle crashes.

The track is where you ride like the road is always clear and the corners predicable.

Then again no-one said you have to go in slow. Just at a speed where you can deal with shit happening depending on your ability. Slow for a very experienced rider will be faster than slow for you for example.



In fact I asked my mate this exact question after we'd run through a tight country road south of Tauranga. His answer was that he and the other bike just expected the road to be clear......:eek5:

Personally I hope the road will be clear but I leave a margin of error in case it's not. But, I don't leave the massive margin I would if I assumed the way was blocked. It's about a balance of risk vs likelyhood. E.g. if I smell shit I expect cows around the bend. If it's a long weekend I expect cops to be out so speed is more closely watched etc etc etc.

I also save the big lean angle for corners I can see right through or know well.

[quickbuck]

So how do they know better that the road is clear or doesn't tighten?

You never know if the road is clear if you can't see around the corner.

As discotex said, you have a margin of error if it all goes to poo.
This can be a very small margin at times. At the end of the day, it is also a bit of confidence in your ability to either stand it up, or drop it in some more to avoid the obstacle.... Or, take the risk. After all that is what makes the twisty bits exciting.... A rush if you will.

As for, how do you know if it tightens?
Easy really.
You should be looking at the "Vanishing Point".
This is the point where the left side of the road "appears" to meet the right.
You should be looking at this point to make a smooth corner.
Now, if the vanishing point comes closer to you the corner is tightening up; Back off, and tip it in some more.
If the vanishing point gets further away, hit the gas, if you feel comfortable... and it is safe to do so.

I have posted this somewhere before.... not sure where.

But try it out, and see how you go.
If you really want to improve corner speed in a safe place, then get yourself to Taupo on the 2.2k track, and go around without touching the brakes.
Of course, use them if you have to, but you will be surprised how quick you can take those tighter corners at the end of the day.

[Winston001]

You never know if the road is clear if you can't see around the corner....

You should be looking at the "Vanishing Point".
This is the point where the left side of the road "appears" to meet the right.
You should be looking at this point to make a smooth corner.
Now, if the vanishing point comes closer to you the corner is tightening up; Back off, and tip it in some more.
If the vanishing point gets further away, hit the gas, if you feel comfortable... and it is safe to do so.



Cheers and understood. I've learned about apexes and the vanishing point from reading KB and apply those techniques. Still learning though and one mistake I make is to stand the bike up slightly when the corner sharpens, in order to slow. Need to trust the bike cos I know logically it will go over a lot further but my heart hasn't been convinced yet. :msn-wink:

I've ridden for years but only intermittently and never had a performance bike before. Commonsense says finding a curvy road and/or going to a track day to practise on known corners is the best way forward.

The other change I've just made is lifting the rear of the Duke which increases the front wheel responsiveness. The ST4 is a very stable bike out of the factory but it is set-up for touring with heavy steering in slow corners. Even one short ride has shown the bike going over much further than I expected on a roundabout so all good.

Finally, have to admit that cornering is great fun but dropping an $11,000 bike really bothers me. I notice people here referring to multiple bins. That's beyond my expectation of motorcycling.

[The Stranger]

going to a track day to practise on known corners is the best way forward.


This is one area where a trackday reeeaaalllly helps.

Do you kiss your inside mirror?
Even if you are not comfortable hanging off you can get your torso weight inside the corner.

[Winston001]

This is one area where a trackday reeeaaalllly helps.

Do you kiss your inside mirror?
Even if you are not comfortable hanging off you can get your torso weight inside the corner.

Actually I am comfortable hanging off, tend to do that more than lean the bike. I'm sure it looks silly from behind. :D Yep, I've been keeping an eye open for a track day at Teretonga.

[jrandom]

I notice people here referring to multiple bins. That's beyond my expectation of motorcycling.

It happens, but there's no rule saying it has to.

I haven't had a single bin that wasn't my own silly fault in one way or another; the extrapolation that it should be possible to never bin if one is not silly seems logical.

And you seem pretty sensible.

:sunny:

[fizbin]

With all due respect to Dawn and the others that have given of their valuable time. Whilst it is possible to practise specific skills it is not possible in the short time available and with a transient class from week to week to bring those skills together and demonstrate how each piece fits in to the puzzle. There is no way to assess each individual and move them to a logical conclusion, it can't be done in the current format.

I think that like a trackday, the NASS is an excellent idea and allows you to tick off some boxes.

You already know my advice.

I don't think anyone would take offense. i recommend it to all newer rider Sollie just so they can give it ago. it is not for everyone, but the one that do find that it works for them do get a hell of a lot out of it. meh everyone learns in different ways i found the NASS (or AWNR as it was when i started) really helped me com to grips with alot of the basics.

[The Stranger]

I don't think anyone would take offense. i recommend it to all newer rider Sollie just so they can give it ago. it is not for everyone, but the one that do find that it works for them do get a hell of a lot out of it. meh everyone learns in different ways i found the NASS (or AWNR as it was when i started) really helped me com to grips with alot of the basics.

Yeah, I already got all that.
As I noted, it certainly ticks some of the boxes.

Let me put it another way.
What is your frame of reference?

How many track days have you done?
How did you find RRRS?
Have you been through pass rite/cbta?
Have you had one on one instruction with a professional instructor (other than for BHS)?

How did you find these things - pros and cons?

[fizbin]

Yeah, I already got all that.
As I noted, it certainly ticks some of the boxes.

Let me put it another way.
What is your frame of reference?

How many track days have you done?
How did you find RRRS?
Have you been through pass rite/cbta?
Have you had one on one instruction with a professional instructor (other than for BHS)?

How did you find these things - pros and cons?

As i stated in my first post. I have never done a track day so i can't even begin to comment on the pros and cons of them.
The RRRS course i am looking into currently but am having issues with it clashing with famibly life. I am hoping once the school holidays are over and I get back to normal I will be able to get along to one of those.
No I have not been though the Pass Rite/Cbta course
No I have not had the benefit of one on one instruction. as I said above some people learn in different ways and I have found in the past that one on one instructions have not appealed to me and the way I learn.
I don't presume to tell people how they should ride as with my limited experance it would be wrong! there are far more qualified people out there who could do it far far far better than I can like your self for example. ( I have been there on nights were you have been to the NASS and you Knowledge far out does most peoples.)
All I was doing in my original post was to suggest a way in which Prettybillie might be able to answer some of her questions. Dawn, Richard and Mark are a fountain of knowledge and are all to happy to share this. anyways that is enough dribble from me.

[Winston001]

It happens, but there's no rule saying it has to.

I haven't had a single bin that wasn't my own silly fault in one way or another; the extrapolation that it should be possible to never bin if one is not silly seems logical.

And you seem pretty sensible.

:sunny:

Cheers but not so sensible that I'd give the bike up. :D


Now - whats all this talk on the thread about NASS, RRRS, Pass Rite, CBTA etc etc? Unfortunately these mean nothing to me - and maybe others.

[motodrummer]

The worst vice is advice, i would suggest riding with some one experienced, -not the supersonic type! I try not to use brakes to much, engine braking is pretty effective as long as you're in the correct gear. Front brake is ok to use in corners, just dont sqeeze to hard. Go easy, you will learn everything in time, ride to survive. Full time rider for 25years.:done:

[The Stranger]

I make riding without touching the brakes a regular exercise on the road. Roll on, roll off, happiness and contentment shortly follow.

Yeah, I notice a few people saying similar.
I tried it through Woodcocks the other evening based on this recommendation and waited for enlightenment.
I must be doing something wrong as I'm still waiting.

I found that I didn't twist the throttle as hard or for as long as I normally would have and was thus was slower than usual. On the way back in the dark I found it downright dangerous, and I must confess using the brake occasionally. Neither one did it for me really.

What am I missing here oh wise one?

[jrandom]

What am I missing here oh wise one?

It doesn't work in the tight stuff. Once you get to 45kph marked corners and below it's just awkward. Woodcocks is entirely the wrong place for the exercise.

And, of course it's slower than using the brakes, but the point isn't to go fast.

:doobey:

[Winston001]

Hmmmm call me oldfashioned but using an engine as a brake is a far more expensive option than wearing out a couple of brake pads.

Using a v-twin, engine braking is certainly effective and normal. Can't see a multi being quite so reliable though. In fact, I know of a guy who died, riding my mate's Bol D'Or: it is thought that being used to engine braking on his own bike, he got caught out when the Honda didn't slow on a corner.

I deliberately brake before a corner if I need to wash off speed so I can change down to a better gear. Been caught out once with the rear wheel locking and hopping on a quick change-down. Very startling. :buggerd:

[Racin Jason]

I suggest reading "A Twist of the Wrist" #1 Some of the topics are advanced but theirs only good advice to take on board. Riding a bike is 90% mental

[sinfull]

Riding a bike is 90% mental Wooohooo i'm 90% there !

[GrayWolf]

Heya

I've not been riding long and have just learned that all the advice that has been given to me in the past has been incorrect :angry2:. I need to learn how to corner properly - lines, breaking points blah blah blah. Can anyone help????

I think there are several factors to consider Billie
Road/track riding days. Both can have their merit however, a track has a predictable surface, no obstructions, like hedges and cliff walls on the inside of a corner you cant see round. The other CRITICAL difference is, you are all going the SAME DIRECTION. No sudden wally in a HolEVord SS/FPV Turbo Nutter Bastard halfway over the centre line at 100k plus in the opposite direction. You'll also take different lines to the road. It will teach you your 'limits of skill' and how your bike reacts in a 'safe-ish' environment.
Road courses will teach you survival skills and defensive/assertive (not Agressive) riding.
Riding style will account for a lot of how you corner. I prefer a smooth in and out line. others prefer to rush up to the corner, brake hard, drop down the box and scream through and out of the apex, full bore acceleration (oh Fuuuuuuuuck grin) to repeat the operation at the next corner.
. Faster? maybe, but a fucking lot of effort for it. Ride to your ability, not others. The reality is that, if everyone was so shit hot riders on 1000cc plus bikes? We'd all be called Mike (the bike) Hailwood. Or Mr Rossi, for you young 'uns.
Full bore into, through and out of a corner leaves NO tolerance for error and no tolerance of others stupidity on the road. Race tracks have Marshals to warn of oil spills, break downs, wreckage on the track. On the road on a blind corner at full tit? you'll hit it. If you watch the high level racers, they tend to be smooth through bends. You can 'go for it' enjoy the rush of really being cranked over and leaving everyone else in your exaust, or think about braking distance at a given speed, view roung the bend, vanishing points, camber etc and ride with a margin of 'safety' for an unforseen 'event' just out of sight. Try hitting a dead possum in the middle of you line on a corner. Not Nice!
I mention Mike Hailwood for two reasons.
1)Mr Rossi has never won the TT, this is the 'Bathurst of the motorcycle racing world'. It is a 60k plus per lap, road circuit that includes twisty narrow mountain roads and narrow village streets ridden at racing speeds and throws in differing temperatures, moisture and surface conditions all in one lap. The style of race riding will be very different to track riding.
2)Mike Hailwood is the only man to ever retire from bike riding, be temtped several years later by Ducati to ride a bike that year for the TT, and win it. Such was the mans ability and skill. It is worth watching a video of how Mr. Hailwood rode his bikes.