Round and round we go...

[MikeL]

Don't forget new tougher roundabout regulations coming into force in 10 days time. Just saw Mr Andyknackeredknickers or whatever from LTSA beaming with pleasure as he explained on TV1 news the latest measures designed to prevent 3 deaths a year.
We will have to indicate going into a roundabout and also exiting, regardless of whether we go straight through, take the first left or the last right (which is actually a left turn, don't forget). So start practising now... I'm sure it will all go very smoothly, and those 3 people each year will be ever so grateful.

[Monsterbishi]

Harden up already, that's been the law for years...

If it gets one more cage indicating whilst going round a roundabout so that they don't just randomly turn in front of me - it's worth it.

[Blakamin]

typical stupid idea even if it has been law for ages... so now people sit and wait coz they think someone is turning but are actually going straight...
this is sure to fix traffic congestion... specially on SH1 in plimmerton where they have just built another new roundabout (on a previously straight bit of sh1) to "improve" traffic flow... (after the 10 year bitch about the paremata roundabout)
morons

shame I dont watch anything but cable and dont buy the newspaper... never gunna know...
it's also impossible to indicate and change gear in a transit... so anyone waiting for me to do it will be waiting a while

[Waylander]

Wouldn't it just be so much more simpler to indicate in the direction you intend to go? Like if I want to right then I indicate to go right as im coming up to the roundabout. And if I were to go left then I indicate left, or for straight I use niether. Tell me is there anything wrong with simple common sense? (other than the fact that hardly any cage drivers actually use thier indicaters)

[StoneChucker]

I ALWAYS indicate going in, whilst in and upon exiting... It's not hard, sort it out morons :wari: ;)

Well, thats the way I was taught, and licenced.

Only, if you're planning on going straight through, you'd have to indicate right upon entering (if there was a left option in the roundabout) UNTIL you pass the first left, then indicate left to take the next exit. Hmm, I know what I mean, hope you do!

[Blakamin]

Wouldn't it just be so much more simpler to indicate in the direction you intend to go? Like if I want to right then I indicate to go right as im coming up to the roundabout. And if I were to go left then I indicate left, or for straight I use niether. Tell me is there anything wrong with simple common sense?
considering thats the way it is in most parts of the world, it would make sense... mind you, we're in a country that still has left turning vehicles giving way to right turning vehicles (which is absolutley farqin stupid considering the width of the road and the straight ahead traffic it fucks coz no-one uses mirrors)
One day we'll make it to the 21st century!

[Waylander]

I ALWAYS indicate going in, whilst in and upon exiting... It's not hard, sort it out morons :wari: ;)

Well, thats the way I was taught, and licenced.

Only, if you're planning on going straight through, you'd have to indicate right upon entering (if there was a left option in the roundabout) UNTIL you pass the first left, then indicate left to take the next exit. Hmm, I know what I mean, hope you do!
Makes some sense, but since you have to turn left when entering a roundabout anyway then whats the point? everyone knows that your gonna enter it. You should only need to indicate where you're gonna go after entering.

[Waylander]

considering thats the way it is in most parts of the world, it would make sense... mind you, we're in a country that still has left turning vehicles giving way to right turning vehicles (which is absolutley farqin stupid considering the width of the road and the straight ahead traffic it fucks coz no-one uses mirrors)
One day we'll make it to the 21st century!
Try having someone running your country that confuses you on some very basic stuff....... oh wait.....:niceone:

[Blakamin]

I ALWAYS indicate going in, whilst in and upon exiting... It's not hard, sort it out morons :wari: ;)

try doing that whilst changing gear when your indicator is on the left...


fuck em!


Makes some sense, but since you have to turn left when entering a roundabout anyway then whats the point? everyone knows that your gonna enter it.
exactly.. where the fuck else are you gunna go????
If people actually watched other people then we wouldn't need these "cotton wool" laws to keep people safe from the big bad world....

[Slim]

What the guy with the american accent actually said was that vehicles travelling straight through the roundabout don't indicate on entry, but have to indicate on exit.

[dveus]

There are no changes actually being made to the rule, you have always had to indicate left when exciting a roundabout, as for indicating right to go straight through, you aren't and wont be required to do that.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/new-road-rules/

[Slim]

And here's the Road Code link (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/roundabouts3.html) where it has pretty pictures to illustrate for you.

[Waylander]

What the guy with the american accent actually said was that vehicles travel (http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Travel)ling straight through the roundabout don't indicate on entry, but have to indicate on exit.
Hmm, I wonder who the guy with the american accent actually is.:confused:

[dveus]

Also according to the link above, motorcyclists are able to use bus lanes, im not sure if this has always been the case, but the officer that stopped me for it sure didn't think it was the done thing.

[Waylander]

And here's the Road Code link (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giving-way/roundabouts3.html) where it has pretty pictures to illustrate for you.
Now that would make sense aswell infact that would make more sense than my thought. (for the record I never said anything about indicating when exiting if one was going straight but I agree it would make sense.) Ofcourse all this still requires drivers to actually use that handle beside the stering wheel that activates those little lights on the sides of the head and tail lights that indicate direction of turning.

[MSTRS]

Hmm, I wonder who the guy with the american accent actually is.:confused:
Andy Knackersinasac - think he's Canadian. AND HE SHOULD FUKEN GO BACK THERE taking his peculiar ideas with him

[Wenier]

Only, if you're planning on going straight through, you'd have to indicate right upon entering (if there was a left option in the roundabout) UNTIL you pass the first left, then indicate left to take the next exit. Hmm, I know what I mean, hope you do!

No you shouldnt indicate right at all if going straight thru and this say u r goin to turn right, but the fact is ur going straight. If going straight thru u should only indicate left after u have crossed the halfway mark of the roundabout, as to not confuse the people on ur left.

[StoneChucker]

What the guy with the american accent actually said was that vehicles travelling straight through the roundabout don't indicate on entry, but have to indicate on exit.
Even better :niceone:

try doing that whilst changing gear when your indicator is on the left...
Yes, but I was taught not to change gears whilst in a corner (a roundabout for example). Hey, I'm just asking, I realise that at times you have to. Even so, wouldn't it just require the slightly fast moving of the hand? Although, add in a tailgater, rain, cellphone in the other hand and mapbook on the seat (yes I've seen you drive Blakamin, you psycho) it would get annoying.

I watched a program on Nat. Geo. last night, about the Autobahn in Germany. It's a pretty high tech road. Some may not know, but you can only "goop the slop" for 2/3 of the road. The remaining 1/3 had a speed limit. The police have rather nice cars there, to be able to hold their own against speedsters (they said a FEW cars have the restrictors removed, so they can exceed the previously limited 250km/h). They also have BMW 1200's (which they glorified up the kazoo, it's a BMW for crap sake) that do 250km/h.

One guy (not a cop) has spent over 1 million euros on building his own "autobahn car". I think he called it the "LoTek". The tyres limit it to 380km/h, but has the power to push over 400km/h! Thats pretty quick :banana: I'd love to take my bike over there and have a play. I do think though, that there would be many cars shooting past me pushing 300...

[dangerous]

As said above there is nothing new with these laws..... but we in NZ are very slack at using the indercators at the best of times.

NOW, when I 1st moved to Brissie I was pulled by a copper while pushing a 44 ton Kenworth out of a roundabout with out indercating..... well I never have, when I came back to Chch I was in the habbit of indercating out of rounabouts but I was having great diffaculties doing this..... it got me thinking why.
well we dont here cos the rounabouts are so fuking small that it is not possible half the time, but as we know "the rounabout" is the answer for everything as far as the roading engineers are concerned.... hey they must know whats right and wrong.
Well thats how it is in Chch anyway.

ps: bet ya SFA changes as far as indercating goes :brick:

[Mongoose]

hey they must know whats right and wrong.
Well thats how it is in Chch anyway.



Pheeeeew, fella, you big city kids get all the good toys!! Us country bumpkins had ONE round about and they took that out, so we are back to our ONE set of traffic lights
Maybe its summit to do with having driven in Pomgolia, but I have always indicated my intentions at round abouts.
btw, i think Nelson would be the capitol of round abouts for the SI :yeah: .

[jrandom]

Dunno how much this education stuff will help while the populace remains predominantly blind and half-stoned.

I got shunted from behind this morning while waiting to enter a roundabout. I was waiting because someone had just entered from my right without indicating. Of course, they turned left immediately without going past me... why bother indicating left, indeed?

So anyways, the young chap in the car behind me sees this other car's wheels start to rotate left and immediately warp-nines into the roundabout, running into the unfortunate difficulty that I'm still in front of him playing it safe. "But I thought you'd already gone!"

Result: one Corolla front bumper with a Pirelli Sport Demon-shaped wedge planted perfectly in the middle of it, one unmarked Zeal (ha ha) and one very upset kid who will have some explaining to do about the modifications to his boss's car.

I gave him a wee frown, commented that he would undoubtedly be paying a little more attention in roundabouts in the future, and rode off down Te Atatu Road, leaving him sitting forlornly in front of the Corolla, presumably doing his best to come up with an explanation for his boss that didn't make him sound like a COMPLETELY thick twat.

[Blakamin]

NOW, when I 1st moved to Brissie I ....
ahhh... queensland.. the home of the friggin roundabout... they know how to build them there.... 3 lanes wide and you can go from first to fourth even when going straight coz the bastards are about 300 metres across!!!

Yes, but I was taught not to change gears whilst in a corner (a roundabout for example). Hey, I'm just asking, I realise that at times you have to. Even so, wouldn't it just require the slightly fast moving of the hand?
might work in a little car but considering gears 1 and 2 in the transit are real quick, and you have between 2000 and 3000 rpm that makes any power (3200 tops, if you're lucky), you dont have time to take your hand off the gear shift... and I'm either changing down or up pretty much all the time thru a roundabout (or anywhere under 80k)

Although, add in a tailgater, rain, cellphone in the other hand and mapbook on the seat (yes I've seen you drive Blakamin, you psycho) it would get annoying.
How could you see the map book???
and I tell the person on the phone to wait when I have to change gear... my right ear is a bit deaf..... :2thumbsup

[campbellluke]

When you are going straight on a round about. I do not like to indicate left , when I am leaving it. Especially when I am in the right lane.

I think that it leads to confusion, with a potential driver on the left lane. Thinking that I am trying to move left.

Other than that, I am happy with these road rules being policed.

[Hitcher]

Hmm, I wonder who the guy with the american accent actually is.
From what I've read from other posts, he is Satan's Spawn sent to wreak angst and havoc amongst kiwi bikers. AND his name can be rewritten as Satan knack dyed...

[Waylander]

From what I've read from other posts, he is Satan's Spawn sent to wreak angst and havoc amongst kiwi bikers. AND his name can be rewritten as Satan knack dyed...
Oh good, thought it was me for a second.....:confused:

[Hitcher]

Oh good, thought it was me for a second...
No, you are Auckland darer.

[Waylander]

No, you are Auckland darer.
Um... ok what ever you say Hitcher.

[Mongoose]

Also according to the link above, motorcyclists are able to use bus lanes, im not sure if this has always been the case, but the officer that stopped me for it sure didn't think it was the done thing.

The Road Code is of no use legally though, I suspect because it only sheds light on the laws and is not the law in its self

[Hitcher]

Um... ok what ever you say Hitcher.
It's an anagram, you nong.

[Yokai]

It's an anagram, you nong.
You nong is not an anagram of Auckland Darer... it's a palindrome - Like Bolton and Ipswich.

[Hitcher]

You nong is not an anagram of Auckland Darer... it's a palindrome - Like Bolton and Ipswich.
Coffee snorted up nostrils and over screen and keyboard! I think you mean a pisstake, like Bolton and Ipswich...

Who put the cunt in Scunthorpe?

A man, a plan, a canal. Panama!

[jrandom]

You nong is not an anagram of Auckland Darer... it's a palindrome - Like Bolton and Ipswich.

Dude, I'm not sure what you're smoking, but can I have some anyway?

[erik]

Dunno how much this education stuff will help while the populace remains predominantly blind and half-stoned.

I got shunted from behind this morning while waiting to enter a roundabout....


Pleased to hear the Zeal came out of it ok :niceone:
(and yourself, of course)

[Hitcher]

I got shunted from behind this morning while waiting to enter a roundabout.
I understand that the technical term for such an act is a "Liberace".

[Yokai]

Dude, I'm not sure what you're smoking, but can I have some anyway?
Well - you can't blame British Rail for it - whatever it is.

[Aitch]

How the hell do you know where they're going if they don't indicate? And before anyone tries to tell me that you always see them enter the roundabout, think about the big bastard at the nothern end of panmure. or just about any of the roundabouts on Te Rapa straight.......

[dangerous]

How the hell do you know where they're going if they don't indicate?
mental telepathy man.... read their frigen mind, hell its not that hard to do ya know :apint:

[Aitch]

that the average auckland driver is in possession of a functioning mind.....

[Blakamin]

How the hell do you know where they're going if they don't indicate? And before anyone tries to tell me that you always see them enter the roundabout, think about the big bastard at the nothern end of panmure. or just about any of the roundabouts on Te Rapa straight.......
always presume they are gunna cross your path... not that farqin hard.... you should always presume they are gunna cross your path no matter what!!! until they turn off before they get to you, then away ya go!!! :niceone:
even if the dickheads DO indicate.. thats the way I do it anyway...

[TwoSeven]

ok, I know its license on cornflake packet here but there is nothing strange about the new law - you all should have been doing it anyhow - well you would have - if they had bothered to train you to do it :)

For a left hand turn - you do it just like a normal left hand turn - make sure you are in the left lane (or move to the left if one lane). Mirrors, signal, lifesaver, maneuver - really easy.

A straight ahead exit or one between 9pm and 12-oclock is treated as a left hand turn.

Right hand turn is just as easy, move to the right (or right lane) and make a right hand turn (mirrors, signal, lifesaver, maneuver). As you pass the exit previous to the one you want (normally the 12oclock exit), you indicate to turn left, mirrors, signal, lifesaver, manuever and off you go.

Any turn thats more than 12-oclock around the roundabout - is treated as a right hand turn.


For those worried about the lanes side of things. The only people in the left hand lane are the people going out the same exit as you (if its single laned exit) and you being in the center lane are on their right - so have right of way. I dont think there are any two lane single exit on single lane roundabouts in NZ.

For dual lane roundabouts with dual lane exits - the people in the left lane take the left lane on the exit and the people in the right (center) lane the right lane on the exit. Just like turning in to a dual carridge road - you are not allowed to swing into the far lane.

[Blakamin]

For those worried about the lanes side of things. The only people in the left hand lane are the people going out the same exit as you (if its single laned exit) and you being in the center lane are on their right - so have right of way. I dont think there are any two lane single exit on single lane roundabouts in NZ.

actually, on the hutt park roundabout, you need to actually change lanes in the middle if you have entered from 2 entrances and want to leave again..
and the paremata roundabout changes from 2 into 1 if coming from porrirua and going to whitby into 2 again if the next exit.... it has 4 2lane roads (2 entry, 2 exit) and 3 single lanes (both ways) coming off it....

[SPman]

One day we'll make it to the 21st century!

You reckon?

[Motu]

What's this crap about indicating on roundabouts? - I never do.I grew up on the Panmure roundabout,no one had indicators then,and if they did they never used them.If you can't tell what the car is doing by watching it's attitude and the driver you shouldn't be on the bloody road,you are an accident waiting to happen! Just last week I posted in a thread how I was beside a cop at a roundabout,he pulled out on a car that had to brake to miss him - I could see what the driver was doing even if it had no indicators on....true,the driver was looking straight ahead,at the left front corner of the car actualy,obviously not a good driver - but the front wheels were still on hard right lock,that car was coming right around...I saw that,a POLICEMAN didn't.Total fuckwits.

[Slim]

I reckon there's some virus or something that all vehicles catch when they arrive in NZ that kills the microns that activate the indicators. :yeah:

[Waylander]

I reckon there's some virus or something that all vehicles catch when they arrive in NZ that kills the microns that activate the indicators. :yeah:
Maybe it's just that upon getting thier licecnce (or arriving from another country) all the little connections in thier head that tell them to hit the indicator at any given point die off.:spudwhat:

[spudchucka]

and those 3 people each year will be ever so grateful.
Especially if its you or someone you love!

[StoneChucker]

Especially if its you or someone you love!
For some, thats one and the same :spudwhat:

[spudchucka]

Wouldn't it just be so much more simpler to indicate in the direction you intend to go? Like if I want to right then I indicate to go right as im coming up to the roundabout. And if I were to go left then I indicate left, or for straight I use niether. Tell me is there anything wrong with simple common sense? (other than the fact that hardly any cage drivers actually use thier indicaters)
The only issue realy is the people going straight. They should be indicating left as they intend exiting the roundabout. Andy Knackersack is saying they should indicate right as they enter and then left as they exit. Its better than what we have now with most people not indicating at all and just hoping that the intuition of other road users will see them right.

[Skyryder]

Don't have a problem with signalling when turning on roudabouts but this signalling when you are through (going ahead) is just plain silly.

I like a full hangrip on both handle bars in these situations. Some fuckwit decides to cut in on you while you are in the process of signalling...............just a dumb law thought up by some cage driver with not experiance of riding.

Skyryder

[Waylander]

The only issue realy is the people going straight. They should be indicating left as they intend exiting the roundabout. Andy Knackersack is saying they should indicate right as they enter and then left as they exit. Its better than what we have now with most people not indicating at all and just hoping that the intuition of other road users will see them right.
I'll agree with indicating left as they exit but indicating right when they enter is just silly. On most cars that have an auto-shutoff thingie (technical term that) if you were to turn the blinker (as the indicator shal hence forth be called by me) to show turning right, as soon as you turn the wheel left it will shut off. I think that would only cause more confusion. But then all this is still just assuming ( and yes i know what it means when you assume something you cheeky buggers) that drivers actually use the blinkers.

[bugjuice]

I was taught to ride/drive like that back in pomgolia.. there's lots there, that's different to driving here. Not everything is smelling of roses over there, I agree, and it definately relies on the drive actually switching their noggin on, but I think NZ needs to look at other countries and start pulling in the slack. I reckon the benefits would be less fender benders on roads, also, less congestion too.. Isn't going to solve everything, but it'd make it better. I reckon those who learnt to drive in the UK have got an edge over kiwi drivers (not pokin at kiwi's here :Pokey: ), but things like this 'new' round about law thing, in the UK, it's taught from the start to 'show' your intentions. Other things like keeping left unless overtaking - everywhere, not just where the signs say. You try undertaking in the UK!!!

I think this isn't a bad thing, just gotta get used to it.. Might even make cage drivers actually look harder before pulling out..

[Mongoose]

Don't have a problem with signalling when turning on roudabouts but this signalling when you are through (going ahead) is just plain silly.

I like a full hangrip on both handle bars in these situations. Some fuckwit decides to cut in on you while you are in the process of signalling...............just a dumb law thought up by some cage driver with not experiance of riding.

Skyryder


Where the phark is the indicator switch on your bike? Or do you have really really small hands? remember you indicate before you move, not as you move over.

[crashe]

Also according to the link above, motorcyclists are able to use bus lanes, im not sure if this has always been the case, but the officer that stopped me for it sure didn't think it was the done thing.

Ok I will read the rest of all the other posts after doing this... I have no idea if anyone else has covered this, but will soon find out when I go back and finish reading the rest.....lol.

Yes, you are allowed to travel on the BUS LANES in Auckland City where they are marked in green paint on the roads. To get proof of this contact Auckland City council and they will send you a letter of confirmation in the mail. Carry it with you at all times, in case you get stopped again by the police. You will not get a ticket. Do not hold up the buses thou... some bus drivers do get a bit snitchy, but you are allowed there.

BUT you cannot travel on the BUS LANES on the motorways. That is run by Land transport not Auckland city council. That is worth a $150 fine.

[bugjuice]

BUT you cannot travel on the BUS LANES on the motorways. That is run by Land transport not Auckland city council. That is worth a $150 fine.
huh.. didn't know that. I thought a bus lane is a bus lane.. I don't usually use the bus lanes on the highway, unless it's absolutely packed, then it's often safer and easier to use them.. Wouldn't otherwise..

And any cop giving anyone a ticket for using the bus lane really needs to use their manual! I thought that was common knowledge!

[Waylander]

All I know about vehicle designated lanes is that a motorcycle (no scooters or anything smaller than a 250cc) can ride in the HOV lane in the states even when not carying a pillion. HOV lanes for those that don't know are for cars carying 2 or more peaple when the highways and byways of the cities are so packed that traffic barley moves. And by traffic I mean nothing but a sea of cars, trucks, vans,busses and the occasional motrcycle filling up both sides of the road and all four lanes for miles and miles.

On another note I'm glad to be in New Zealand now where the road laws may be a bit more confusing but atleast there's no traffic.:2thumbsup

[crashe]

On another note I'm glad to be in New Zealand now where the road laws may be a bit more confusing but atleast there's no traffic.:2thumbsup

You need to come up to Auckland during peak traffic on the motorways.... and then say there is no traffic on the roads... its bumper to bumper....lol

[Waylander]

You need to come up to Auckland during peak traffic on the motorways.... and then say there is no traffic on the roads... its bumper to bumper....lol
Been there, done that and it's still nothin compared to back in Dallas, let alone LA. You want a town were you get off work at 5 but don't get home till 10 or 11, you just go for a nice ride through LA. But luckily it is legal for bikes to lane split through dead stopped traffic if they do not exceed 15mph.

[gav]

Theres a roundabout I go round every day coming home from work, Chch folk will probably know it , runs between QE2 drive and Marshlands road, twin lane sucker. Nearly saw an accident today where driver coming from Marshland Rd going stright through nearly got taken out by driver from Burwood side entering also going straight through, bit confusing cos if your on inside lane closest to the rounabout most people think you are turning, but the lanes indicate you can still go straight ahead. So how fast are you allowed to go, I get the tyres squealing pretty good coming around there at 50 km/h (89 Honda Civic hatch) :yeah: I only aim at the flash cars that pull out on me, as hopefully they have insurance and I can get me a new car :spudwave: On the bike its too bloody scary as they can't really see ya enter coz there are these bloody big flax bushes and shit in the middle of the roundabout.

[dangerous]

runs between QE2 drive and Marshlands road, twin lane sucker. Nearly saw an accident today
Yip see that happen there all the time..... but FFS it is a simple action entering and exiting even if you cant see the hole bloody thing cos of the national park in the middle, then you get the oppisite affect were a car will sit there till all trafic has gone and they can see a clear rd all the way to dorkland....... its not that hard! people mack it so!


Don't have a problem with signalling when turning on roudabouts but this signalling when you are through (going ahead) is just plain silly.
Skyryder
this maybe so in Chch but I have a feeling the r/b's up north are much bigger were you do actually turn left into them and left again to get out (you do chang direction even when going straight).... where as Chch's are so bloody small that you can go straight through them and all traffic can see what you are doing all the time.

[dangerous]

3 people each year will be ever so grateful.

Especially if its you or someone you love!
Yeah, that is a darft thing for Mike to say......... but I dont think that is what he ment...... I think what he means is 'christ sake is there not more important issues to attend rather than a 3 death per year problem (even tho those 3 deaths is very important) but how about blind spot situations? put the money and effort into them 1st aye'

[bluninja]

I've always indicated on any roundabout where I can actually indicate before I've exited :yeah:

BTW don't quite want to hijack the thread, but there's a nice piece on the safespeed uk site about SMIDSY as a result of A pillar thickness on cars. There's an AVI (http://www.safespeed.org.uk/smidsy.avi) showing 2 bikes 'disappearing' as they come around a roundabout and half way down this page (http://www.safespeed.org.uk/smidsy.html) there's a frame by frame that 'shows' the bike disappearing.

Questions
1)What's the point in indicating if the car never sees you in the first place?
2) If the road toll doesn't go down by 3 what reason will be given?

[jrandom]

Been there, done that and it's still nothin compared to back in Dallas, let alone LA. You want a town were you get off work at 5 but don't get home till 10 or 11, you just go for a nice ride through LA. But luckily it is legal for bikes to lane split through dead stopped traffic if they do not exceed 15mph.

I didn't know the limit for splitting in CA was that low.

Do the CHP enforce it, or do they tend to turn a blind eye to bikes splitting along a wee bit faster than 15?

I wouldn't even THINK about taking a job and moving over there without a bike to commute on, and I sure as hell wouldn't be sticking to 15mph.

[Krayy]

Hells bells. First we have to look out at level crossings and now indicate at roundabouts. Theres only so much space in peoples minds for gods sake. When will it end!!

Imagine what will happen if they go ahead and replace the old "give way to the right at intersections" with the new and improved "Give way if you're turning across lanes but only on a day with a 'T' in it and if you're not in a Remuera tractor (cos everyone knows they own the road anyways)"!!

[bear]

On Breakfast this morning the reason given for the enforcement of the existing laws was due to the amount of fatalities, which (as mentioned) are 3 per year.
Is this just public exercise to re-aquaint motorists with the rules, or are cops going to be sitting at roundabouts now looking to write offenders up?
Surely there are other areas, with higher fatality rates, where the attnetion could be placed.

[vifferman]

I'll agree with indicating left as they exit but indicating right when they enter is just silly. On most cars that have an auto-shutoff thingie (technical term that) if you were to turn the blinker (as the indicator shal hence forth be called by me) to show turning right, as soon as you turn the wheel left it will shut off.
I have the same issue with it. On one of our cars, the auto-cancel doofer (technical term) will actually stop you putting the indicator on if the steering wheel is partly turned. (No - hang on; I think this is the car that our eldest wrote off, so scratch that.) But (BUT!) the Peugeots leave the indicator on until the wheel is at least completely straight again or turned the other way, which is great. :niceone:

Yes, you are allowed to travel on the BUS LANES in Auckland City where they are marked in green paint on the roads.
BUT you cannot travel on the BUS LANES on the motorways.
Two points - the big advert in TheHarold this morning made no mention of there being bus lanes and BUS Lanes - it just said Bus Lanes. No doubt a few bikers will read this and assume all bus lanes (or Bus Lanes, or BUS LANES) are fair game for biking on. So it'll be interesting to read the actual legislation / rule. Secondly, they are no longer painting bus lanes green, as they decided it was a stupid idea (maybe because of the costs of repainting them, and the increased slipperiness). Some are already no longer green in parts.
It's interesting though, to watch people NOT driving on them, even outside of the hours. I think the green freaks them out (it does make me feel weird...:confused: )

[Yokai]

TheHarold
What a great name for a paper - They should have one called the Edna too!

[Mr Skid]

Two points - the big advert in TheHarold this morning made no mention of there being bus lanes and BUS Lanes - it just said Bus Lanes. No doubt a few bikers will read this and assume all bus lanes (or Bus Lanes, or BUS LANES) are fair game for biking on. So it'll be interesting to read the actual legislation / rule. Secondly, they are no longer painting bus lanes green, as they decided it was a stupid idea (maybe because of the costs of repainting them, and the increased slipperiness). Some are already no longer green in parts.
It's interesting though, to watch people NOT driving on them, even outside of the hours. I think the green freaks them out (it does make me feel weird...:confused: )

I noticed this as well. I'd think a LTNZ advert saying you can use the bus lanes would be reasonable defence against any tickets issued for riding in bus lanes that happen to be on the motorway.

I am somewhat suprised that these 'changes' have prompted so much debate - I don't believe the pedestrian crossing rule hasn't changed, I've been stopping for peds on the other side of a crossing for as long as I can remember. Likewise, the indication rules on a roundabout don't seem anything different to what I was taught when i was learning to drive.

Maybe the LTNZ secretly want to invest in driver education, but are trying to dress it up as 'changes' to the road rules, so as not to lose face after proclaiming that driver education will result in overconfident drivers that will try even harder to kill one another :unsure:

[vifferman]

Iam thinking that the rule was before thet you had to stop if theres was peeple on the same side of the rode as you not on the other side.

[flyin]

if someones on waiting to cross the road at a zebra crossing you STOP. no matter what side they are on!
pedestrians dont get a cage around them or even a helmet on their head so you gotta be nice to them when they get on the road!

[Biff]

It's about bloody time, and before all those whingers out there start moaning about the extra energy that will be expended when reaching for that indicator switch, stalk etc, spare some sympathy for us Brits. Try having a look at these roundabouts without breaking into a sweat.

They're all real roundabouts, and one I used to use quite regularly - scary stuff I tells ewe.

[bugjuice]

yeah, I rememeber those round abouts within round abouts.. done them a few times in the UK.. When you're on them, they're actually not as bad as they look, you just have to be aware of what's around you, and guess what..? Use your INDICATORS!!!!! and woohoo.. it works.. kinda.. Don't know who the mad scientist was that came up with that, but I don't think the Nobel Peace Prize was in mind..

[Blakamin]

It's about bloody time, and before all those whingers out there start moaning about the extra energy that will be expended when reaching for that indicator switch, stalk etc, spare some sympathy for us Brits. Try having a look at these roundabouts without breaking into a sweat.

They're all real roundabouts, and one I used to use quite regularly - scary stuff I tells ewe.
only the poms could come up with something that fukken stupid! It's not as if they are all 4 lane roads going into it.....

[bugjuice]

only the poms could come up with something that fukken stupid! It's not as if they are all 4 lane roads going into it.....
ever seen a high volume - high speed freeway come to a stop at a monster round about? You get those too.. 5 lanes all fighting to get on.. boy, I miss the fun

[Biff]

only the poms could come up with something that fukken stupid! It's not as if they are all 4 lane roads going into it.....

They may look stupid, but considering the horrendous traffic congestion problems these things work very, very well. As Bug insinuated though, if you don't use your indicator you're forked, and you bloody well deserve to be.

[Blakamin]

ever seen a high volume - high speed freeway come to a stop at a monster round about? You get those too.. 5 lanes all fighting to get on.. boy, I miss the fun
move to queensland... the home of the 300-metre-across roundabout... they don't like traffic lights there so big round things are the go... you'd love it!!! (they are big on reflectors on road markings too... millions of them!!!!)

[bugjuice]

I wanna go on a huge round about when it's empty and go round and round til I get my knee down and get as low and comfortable doing it as poss.. but then you'll only be good at right handers!
Actually, not a bad idea.. must find a huge round about.. thing is, it's empty probably a) never, or b) late at night/early morning, so temps are down, so it's not as sticky..

[Biff]

I wanna go on a huge round about when it's empty and go round and round til I get my knee down and get as low and comfortable doing it as poss.. but then you'll only be good at right handers!
Actually, not a bad idea.. must find a huge round about.. thing is, it's empty probably a) never, or b) late at night/early morning, so temps are down, so it's not as sticky..

Nah - you need a small (ish) roundabout, tighter corners - far easier and you can do it at a nice slow (ish) speed first.

[jrandom]

They're all real roundabouts, and one I used to use quite regularly - scary stuff I tells ewe.

Ah, the infamous Magic Roundabout.

We like to use the the road data there to test routing algorithm behaviour. Great fun.

[Waylander]

I didn't know the limit for splitting in CA was that low.
Do the CHP enforce it, or do they tend to turn a blind eye to bikes splitting along a wee bit faster than 15?
I wouldn't even THINK about taking a job and moving (http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Moving) over there without a bike to commute on, and I sure as hell wouldn't be sticking to 15mph.
The law is there in the first place because an air-cooled engine tends to melt if it doesn't have air moving (http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Moving) around it. I don't think anybody enforces the speed though LAPD doesn't have a highway motorcycle unit I dont think. and if they did the bikes would be huge (ie the tv show CHiPs) so they wouldn't fit btween cars, But then you have to consider the fact that LA is full of pricks and some of them in cages will get upset if you move faster than them and either open doors or stick something out to hit you or knock you off your bike. So you generally stick at 15mph or below just for this reason. Ofcourse i may be wrong about this I have never ridden a bike on an LA freeway.

posted by vifferman
I have the same issue with it. On one of our cars, the auto-cancel doofer (technical term) will actually stop you putting the indicator on if the steering wheel is partly turned. (No - hang on; I think this is the car that our eldest wrote off, so scratch that.) But (BUT!) the Peugeots leave the indicator on until the wheel is at least completely straight again or turned the other way, which is great. :niceone:

Yea till the damn thing quits working and you don't notice your indicator on for the last 2 k's. Had that happen to me in the Corona cage once.....

[Biff]

the the road data there to test routing algorithm behaviour.

Softsoftware glglitch, rebooboot.

:Pokey:

[jrandom]

... LA is full of pricks and some of them in cages will get upset if you move faster than them and either open doors or stick something out to hit you or knock you off your bike.

Anyone ever tries that stunt on me, they'd better hope I'm not subsequently capable of standing up, or they and their motor vehicle will be well munted very shortly thereafter.

[jrandom]

Softsoftware glglitch, rebooboot.

No, that's what we call a 'wetware' glitch.

[Waylander]

Anyone ever tries that stunt on me, they'd better hope I'm not subsequently capable of standing up, or they and their motor vehicle will be well munted very shortly thereafter.
As if they would care, but just imagine what a guy who has nothing to do all day but work out at the gym becouse he has to be fit for some movie or TV part with a nice ride would do to somebody who did something to screw his bike over, and yet that doesn't even stop the pricks. Then you get the gangstar (spelt that way on purpose) with thier 9mil pistols riding down between the traffic and some rich nut in his $90,000 car gets upset cause you can move freely. Yes this stuff does happen and still nothing stops them from doing something becouse they dont like being passed. Road rage,simple fact of life over there.

[jrandom]

Yes this stuff does happen and still nothing stops them from doing something becouse they dont like being passed. Road rage,simple fact of life over there.

True dat. Merkins are mostly insane, as far as I can tell.

[Milky]

The only issue realy is the people going straight. They should be indicating left as they intend exiting the roundabout. Andy Knackersack is saying they should indicate right as they enter and then left as they exit. Its better than what we have now with most people not indicating at all and just hoping that the intuition of other road users will see them right.

If this is correct, the advertisement in the Herald contradicts things by saying that you indicate left before the exit you want, and also according to the direction you are planning on taking (ie you indicate right for a right turn on entry to the roundabout, left after the 12o'clock position) I thought that this was EXACTLY the same as the previous rule...


...you have always had to indicate left when exciting a roundabout..

Now that would be a rule that isn't commonly seen... How could an Officer Of The Law™ correctly judge the emotional state of a certain roundabout? methinks they need a pay rise if it is to become more heavily enforced :yeah:

[blownae92]

I think the most interesting thing to come out of the revised rules is the use of the bus lane as per the ltsa website
ALL Bus Lanes can be used unless so specifically stated.
see attached link
http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/new-road-rules/rur-qas.html#special

:sunny:

[dangerous]

if someones on waiting to cross the road at a zebra crossing you STOP. no matter what side they are on!
Sorry but I beg too differ (unless this rull has changed in the last 20yrs) I..... remember the very 1st time I was pulled by the fuzz, I was on my 2nd bike a seventy something CB125..... now I was on my way to work and I dident give way to a pedestrian and I never saw them or the copper that took chase.... rocked up ar work got off span around and ther he was, the hole bloody building site gave up a big "now ya dun it" anyway the cop said that "you must giveway to a pedestrian on your side of the rd"
And ya know what? I never got a ticket either...... the Gvt hadent relised that the cop's could gather revanue back then... gezzz they were dumb aye :yeah:

[crashe]

The way I understand it is that for a Pedestrian crossing, you give way to the pedestrian's on your side of the road that you are on.

If the Pedestrian's are on the other side of the road still on the footpath or on the other side of the middle of the road then you dont have to stop.

But I open to be corrected on this.

[crashe]

Pedestrian (zebra) and school (kea) crossing points
What does the rule say motorists have to do at pedestrian (zebra) crossings?
Under the Road User Rule, motorists must now give way to pedestrians on both sides of a pedestrian crossing, unless that crossing is divided by a raised traffic island.

What does the rule say pedestrians must do at pedestrian crossings?
The rule says that pedestrians must not step out onto a crossing unless approaching vehicles are far enough away to be able to stop safely.

What’s the change?
Previously motorists had to give way to pedestrians on both sides of a crossing if the crossing was not divided by a centre-line marking. However, if a crossing was divided by a centre-line marking, motorists only had to give way to pedestrians on their side of the crossing.

Why has this change been made?
About 10 percent of the pedestrians killed or injured in crashes over the last five years have been hit by a vehicle on or near a pedestrian crossing. Feedback from the Police and councils indicates drivers and pedestrians are often unable to see where the centre-line is, particularly when it’s dark or raining. This makes it more difficult to judge when a pedestrian is on the driver’s side of the road.

How do I know whether a crossing is divided by a raised traffic island?
A raised traffic island is required by the Traffic Control Devices Rule to have reflectorised traffic signs sufficient to guide drivers around the traffic island.

There are no mandatory specifications for a raised traffic island but there are standard traffic engineering guidelines.

How do we go about getting a traffic island installed on our local crossing?
If you believe that a pedestrian crossing in your area should be divided by a traffic island or pedestrian refuge, you will need to discuss this with your local council.

What about very wide crossings – how can motorists see across to the other side?
Under the Traffic Control Devices Rule, any pedestrian crossing of more than 15 metres is required to have traffic signals installed, or to be separated into two crossings by a raised traffic island.

What if a pedestrian runs out in front of me?
The rule states that pedestrians should not step out onto a crossing unless approaching vehicles are far enough away to be able to stop safely. However, you need to slow down when approaching a pedestrian crossing and be prepared to stop suddenly for pedestrians (particularly children) who might dart out onto the crossing.

Doesn’t this add to traffic congestion by slowing down motorists needlessly?
The safety of other road users is worth the slight delay caused by stopping for a pedestrian who is not on your side of the road. At roads where congestion is identified as an issue, roading authorities may consider installing raised traffic islands or traffic signals to prevent unnecessary delays.

What about pedestrian crossings controlled by traffic lights? Do motorists need to give way to pedestrians if they’re crossing against the lights, eg when the ‘green man’ isn’t showing? What if a pedestrian is crossing near the crossing but not on it?
Legally, a pedestrian must obey pedestrian signals at traffic lights. However, you should always be prepared to stop for pedestrians (particularly children) who might dart out onto the crossing. Likewise, you should look out for pedestrians who might cross near, but not on, the crossing itself.

What’s the difference between a pedestrian crossing and a courtesy crossing?
A courtesy crossing is usually made of bricks and paving and is designed to provide a safe place for motorists to stop to let pedestrians across the road safely. However, a courtesy crossing is not an official pedestrian crossing and pedestrians should take care when using one, as motorists are not legally obliged to stop.

Can I ride a bike across a pedestrian crossing?
No, if you’re riding a bike, you are subject to the rules applying to vehicles, not pedestrians. If you wish to cross on a pedestrian crossing you must dismount and wheel your bike across the crossing before continuing your ride.

What does the Road User Rule say about passing vehicles which have stopped at pedestrian (zebra) crossings and school (kea) crossing points?
Motorists must not pass vehicles that have stopped at pedestrian crossings or school crossing points.

Vehicles blocking pedestrian crossings
What does the Road User Rule say about blocking pedestrian crossings?
The rule says a driver cannot enter a pedestrian crossing area if the way ahead is blocked by stationary traffic. In other words, if there isn’t enough room for your car to get clear of a pedestrian crossing on the other side of an intersection, you should wait until there is room. Otherwise, you will block the pedestrian crossing and endanger pedestrians trying to cross the road.

How do I report a car that is blocking a pedestrian crossing?
You can report anyone breaking traffic laws to the Police either by dialling *555 on your mobile phone or contacting your local police station directly.

Other pedestrian issues
In a shared zone (eg an area with no footpath which is shared by cars and pedestrians), who gives way? What about bikes and pedestrians?
The rule says a driver of a vehicle must give way to a pedestrian within a shared zone. Vehicles include cyclists, so cyclists must also give way to pedestrians in a shared zone.

What are pedestrians’ responsibilities in shared zones?
The rule says a pedestrian in a shared zone must not ‘unduly impede’ the passage of any vehicle in a shared zone. This means that they should not deliberately block the path of an approaching vehicle.

[crashe]

What are pedestrians’ responsibilities in shared zones?
The rule says a pedestrian in a shared zone must not ‘unduly impede’ the passage of any vehicle in a shared zone. This means that they should not deliberately block the path of an approaching vehicle.

[dangerous]

Look what I found out about pedestrians...
bloody hell......... all that just for a pedestrian crossing, I think its easier to understand round a bouts..... good effort there crashe

[MikeL]

Doesn’t this add to traffic congestion by slowing down motorists needlessly?
The safety of other road users is worth the slight delay caused by stopping for a pedestrian who is not on your side of the road. At roads where congestion is identified as an issue, roading authorities may consider installing raised traffic islands or traffic signals to prevent unnecessary delays.



What, I wonder, will now happen at the Royal Oak roundabout...
The pedestrian crossing just to the north of the roundabout on Manukau Rd is already the cause of considerable delays and congestion, with vehicles often backed up through the roundabout. If vehicles now have to stop where previously it was legal for them to go through the crossing, the results will be more than the "slight delay" (minor inconvenience?). I can just imagine what installing traffic lights would do...

[Milky]

That pedestrian crossing is a highly stupid one - only enough space for a car or two to move off the roundabout before they have to stop for the crossing again. Why not move it 10m further up the road, so people have a chance to recover from the roundabout before tackling a new obstacle?
I am sure that pedestrian crossing has caused many many accidents where it is, beyond the one where I saw a m/c ride straight into the pole on the left after leaving the roundabout :shake:

[crashe]

That pedestrian crossing is a highly stupid one - only enough space for a car or two to move off the roundabout before they have to stop for the crossing again. Why not move it 10m further up the road, so people have a chance to recover from the roundabout before tackling a new obstacle?
I am sure that pedestrian crossing has caused many many accidents where it is, beyond the one where I saw a m/c ride straight into the pole on the left after leaving the roundabout :shake:

Yep and there is a pedestrian crossing just as you go around the roundabout heading towards the Te Atatu Motorway on Te Atatu Road near Foodtown. Its almost on the roundabout and it causes problems as it is now. It will be especially bad during peak time... as that is a main route. The pedesrtian crossing outside Foodtown is now controled by lights. So that roundabout is gonna be a flaming mess... worse than what it is now.

[jrandom]

Yep and there is a pedestrian crossing just as you go around the roundabout heading towards the Te Atatu Motorway on Te Atatu Road near Foodtown. Its almost on the roundabout and it causes problems as it is now. It will be especially bad during peak time... as that is a main route. The pedesrtian crossing outside Foodtown is now controled by lights. So that roundabout is gonna be a flaming mess... worse than what it is now.

Yup. I know two people who had their cages rear-ended while waiting halfway through that roundabout for people to get across that pedestrian crossing.

WHY do They insist on putting zebra crossings so close to roundabouts? Moving them a hundred meters down the road would seem to be a great idea in many cases, traffic-wise.

[crashe]

Yup. I know two people who had their cages rear-ended while waiting halfway through that roundabout for people to get across that pedestrian crossing.

WHY do They insist on putting zebra crossings so close to roundabouts? Moving them a hundred meters down the road would seem to be a great idea in many cases, traffic-wise.

Yeah I reckon.... and to top it off the police surveyours and Waitakere City Council were out on the roundabout to sort it all out, to help the flow of cars... yet what have they done, put lights on the pedestrain crossing outside Foodtown and you can get two cars in there if you are lucky... mind you with having Foodtown right there on the corner it has made the job so hard to sort it out. I hate taking my car up there during peak times.... will travel around those times if Im in the car. But on the bike I lane split.

[dangerous]

Well its been over 10yrs since I had a foot on the north Is, so things have most likely changed, but today I was driving around and was thinking about the r/b thing..... I went through a few and there was no way I could have indercated........ because they are too bloody small down here.
What happened if I tried is the indercater leaver made a bad crunch as I tried to use it while exiting, because the wheel was only just turned and it was trying to turn off as I tried turning them on.

The other thing and more importantly is as they are so small you basically drive straight through them, if I was to indercate then the car to my left would think I'm turning left NOT into the r/b....... same goes with exiting. In any case ther would be a pile up and more that 3 people would die.
So if a cop decides to make me an example for not indercating then I'll kick up all kinda shit. :done:

BTW on the bigger r/b's I do indercate, as that what I learnt in Oz as I earlier said.

[Blakamin]

WHY do They insist on putting zebra crossings so close to roundabouts?
any intersections... they are just stupid.... you cant park within 6m of an intersection, but its alright to put a crossing there... FUCKWITS!!!

kapiti has a pisser... a roundabout (on the corner of the busiest and second busiest roads outside sh1) outside the cop shop, across the road from a school and 150 metres (max) from the lights... and then a crossing 30 feet up the road!!!.... its the only road off sh1 that goes towards where everyone lives ( the beach) for 6k one way and prolly 2 the other.. (there is one other small street that feeds onto the 2nd busiest)
quite fun trying to go anywhere between 3 and 6....

[Skyryder]

Where the phark is the indicator switch on your bike? Or do you have really really small hands? remember you indicate before you move, not as you move over.

My indicator ??.................left thumb. So it it onlly takes a split second to activate the switch................I am going straight ahead............so I indicate left............and the driver entering the roundabout from my left from my left thinks I'm turning left and moves out. But I am not turning left I am going straight ahead and according to the new law I am meant to indicate right. All this indicating change of direction when in fact I am going straight ahead. There is enough confused drivers out on the road as it is without me adding to their confusion.

Incedently try an evasive manoeuvre without your thumb on the handlle bar. Better still hit the gravel with your thumb off the bar and see how quickly you hold on tightly. And that is the key to control ................holding on firmly when the unexpected happens.

Still a dumb arse law no matter what....................

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Daughter lived in Holland for a year so. Got the right idea over there. Peds and cycles have no right of way. Don't pay road tax....................so no right of way on the roads. Think that's the way it is over there but could be wrong. Anyone know??

Skyryder