T2 Lanes again!

[Chisanga]

Hi all,

Just posting because I know their was a bit of discussion surrounding the legality of riding in the T2 transit lanes on the on-ramps of Auckland's motorways.

I got pulled over by a cop today using the T2 lane on the SE-Arterial transit lane onto SH1 heading north towards town.

He said "I don't want to have a discussion, you can't use these lanes next time i'll give you a ticket"
Me "I don't wish to be disrespectful but I believe that I can"
Him "No you can't... you don't have a passenger and you're not a truck"

I told him I had been advised that it was legal for Motorbikes and that he should check with his Sergeant or higher ups.

I know a few guys on here (Ixion) are tight with BRONZ so I think we need to try to make sure this is clarified.... if we are allowed to use them then the bloody cops should be told... If not (and that is fine with me) then I will stop using them.

Thanks for you time.

[Ixion]

Attached letter posted tonight to NZ Police.

If they ignore it (they probably will) I'll rev them up with the Police Complaints Authority.

Obviously, write and object tot he ticket. All the info you will need is in the letter.

[vtec]

Good post Ixion, a sledgehammer with words.

[MSTRS]

Good letter Ixion. And you didn't use too many big words, either. He should be able to understand.

[Mom]

Thank you Les.

[Anarkist]

Big ups Ixion, nice letter. :rockon:

[gixxer-king]

Not that I have that problem down here but man, cops that don't know the law. The country's screwed with a capital F.

[fliplid]

Ta for the letter Ixion- made sense, even to me.

[Chisanga]

Obviously, write and object tot he ticket. All the info you will need is in the letter.

The cop didn't give me a ticket... he was giving me a verbal warning.... he had pulled over another motorbike and two cars as well.... he was wandering all over the Southern Motorway on foot in order to do this..... very unsafe I thought.

[Ixion]

And, the reply from the polis. VICTORY!

[Mom]

And, the reply from the polis. VICTORY!

Can you please post that in a word doc Ixion, this stupid PC has deceided it will not open .pdf files at all. Thank you.

[Reckless]

Great letter and clarification Ixion!

I must say I'm also impressed at the frank letter and internal rectification action taken by the Polis as well!!

Good result by all I'd say!

[short-circuit]

Thanks for taking the time to represent our concerns Ixion

[Max Preload]

Can you please post that in a word doc, Ixion? This stupid PC has decided it will not open .pdf files at all. Thank you.

Stupid 10 chars...

[Usarka]

Excellent work mr ixion / bronz.

[firefighter]

Awesome work, I have printed this and it shall stay under my pillion seat should I ever need to prove my legality!

Thankyou sir!

[mikeey01]

Well done! You BRONZ folks sure do a lot of work behind the scenes for us all, thank you.

Many members / much happenings in the canterbury region?

[Patrick]

Attached letter posted tonight to NZ Police.

If they ignore it (they probably will) I'll rev them up with the Police Complaints Authority.

Obviously, write and object tot he ticket. All the info you will need is in the letter.

Oh ye of so little faith.....

Good work, by the way. Not a problem we have down in these parts....

[FROSTY]

maybee all KBers commuting need to carry a copy in their wallets -might save a bunch of agro

[samgab]

And, the reply from the polis. VICTORY!

I just wondered about this matter, did a little search, and found this thread... Wow, what a great response, and from a Superintendent, no less, which is about as high in rank as you can get to in the NZ Police without becoming the Commissioner or Dept. or Asst. Commissioner. I've saved and printed a copy just in case this issue should come up, but I don't think it will, given the distribution it was given by said Superintendent.

[rastuscat]

It all raises an interesting point.

Traffic law is incredibly complex. I supervise a group of vastly experienced traffic cops, and even we have debates at times as to the way rules are written, and how they should be applied.

No wonder there's confusion about some issues, sometimes. No cop can know everything, all the time. It's just not possible.

Just sayin.

[Swoop]

Can we have a copy of that, on Police letterhead paper please?

[Scuba_Steve]

It all raises an interesting point.

Traffic law is incredibly complex. I supervise a group of vastly experienced traffic cops, and even we have debates at times as to the way rules are written, and how they should be applied.

No wonder there's confusion about some issues, sometimes. No cop can know everything, all the time. It's just not possible.

Just sayin.

"ignorance is no excuse" :Pokey::innocent:

[Ulsterkiwi]

"ignorance is no excuse" :Pokey::innocent:

I do not always agree with Scuba Steve but on this he has a very valid point. How often do police officers use that line when the public attempt to defend their actions.
Its all well and good with something clear cut like not shooting people (unless they are stupid of course :rolleyes:) but its a bit disingenuous for an officer to say "ignorance is no excuse" and then when his fellows get called on their ignorance to appear to brush it aside.

You have demonstrated time and again you are not the average cop Rastus but its another very clear example how the organisation cuts a stick to beat its own back.

[rastuscat]

I do not always agree with Scuba Steve but on this he has a very valid point. How often do police officers use that line when the public attempt to defend their actions.
Its all well and good with something clear cut like not shooting people (unless they are stupid of course :rolleyes:) but its a bit disingenuous for an officer to say "ignorance is no excuse" and then when his fellows get called on their ignorance to appear to brush it aside.

You have demonstrated time and again you are not the average cop Rastus but its another very clear example how the organisation cuts a stick to beat its own back.

Entirely agree.

Our job is such that when someone sees the uniform, they think we are an expert in everything. One such example is when I stop a boy racer car. I actually don't bother much with them, as I feel that very few crashes are caused by them, and that a noisy exhaust never killed anyone. Then they start telling me about decibel levels, lean angles, boost levels.......basically, most boy racers know more about their cars than I do.

The 4 wheel drive crowd are another group. They can normally detail the inner working of Bilsteins, which I can't.

I specialize in motorcycle stuff due to the job I have. Lucky me, really. But equally, I don't expect average cops to have the level of knowledge I do.

Some knowledge is general, some is quite specific.

The problem arises when someone thinks they know the rules, when they actually don't. Growling at a motor cyclist for lane splitting is a classic. It's generally done without the knowledge of the technical issues surrounding that. Often motorcyclists know more about the motorcycle-specific rules than the cops enforcing them. This T2 thing is a case in point.

Just sayin.

[Mike.Gayner]

Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, a cop on the road side could admit he doesn't know everything? It's all good and well being humble on here, but every wanker cop in the wild likes to think they're the expert, and never want to hear anything about it.

[rastuscat]

Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, a rider on the road side could admit he doesn't know everything? It's all good and well being humble on here, but every wanker rider in the wild likes to think they're the expert, and never want to hear anything about it.

Fixed it for ya.

[Mike.Gayner]

I wouldn't expect a cop like you to understand the subtleties of life, but there's an obvious imbalance of power at the road side. Humbleness on the part of a police officer could go a long way towards not being perceived as utter cunts by the general public.

[rastuscat]

I wouldn't expect a cop like you to understand the subtleties of life, but there's an obvious imbalance of power at the road side. Humbleness on the part of a police officer could go a long way towards not being perceived as utter cunts by the general public.

My attitude came out of the Rich Dad Poor Dad philosophy. Unless you can admit to being wrong, you can't learn any better.

I do that quite a bit and I've found it quite refreshing.

It must be tough knowing everything and always being right. I'd far rather just enjoy being human.

[rastuscat]

I wouldn't expect a cop like you to understand the subtleties of life, but there's an obvious imbalance of power at the road side. Humbleness on the part of a police officer could go a long way towards not being perceived as utter cunts by the general public.

Some folk would complain if their arse was on fire and I put it out. It's the nature of the job.

[FJRider]

Humbleness on the part of a police officer could go a long way towards not being perceived as utter cunts by the general public.

Humbleness .... fuck ... :eek5:


You'll be dam lucky to get Discretion ... if you don't keep your mouth zipped and be polite.

Remember .... those "Cunts" have teeth. And they DO bite. (They call it job satisfaction) :innocent:

[awayatc]

No wonder there's confusion about some issues, sometimes. No cop can know everything, all the time. It's just not possible.

Just sayin.

Absolutely agree...

Problem I have is the " if in doubt give a ticket " mentality that seems to be quite common by people wearing blue

[bogan]

I wouldn't expect a cop like you to understand the subtleties of life, but there's an obvious imbalance of power at the road side. Humbleness on the part of a police officer could go a long way towards not being perceived as utter cunts by the general public.

Ironically, if you were capable of being humble, you wouldn't fail the attitude test and the cops would not seem like cunts!

Also, what is this, dredging season?

[Scuba_Steve]

Absolutely agree...

Problem I have is the " if in doubt give a ticket " mentality that seems to be quite common by people wearing blue

Which you mustn't forget ties into the "guilty until you prove your innocence beyond reasonable doubt" system

[caspernz]

Absolutely agree...

Problem I have is the " if in doubt give a ticket " mentality that seems to be quite common by people wearing blue


Which you mustn't forget ties into the "guilty until you prove your innocence beyond reasonable doubt" system

Now I'm not disagreeing with the above two statements. But I've found that after 30 years of driving/riding on 3 continents, the blue brigade in NZ is rather reasonable to deal with, provided one doesn't start off with a chip on ones' shoulder from the outset. Exceptions exist of course, but have you ever been pulled over for say speeding in Switzerland? Crossing a double yellow in France? Nah, I'll take the kiwi copper any day.

[rastuscat]

Funny thing happened this morning.

A young guy on a moped overtook my marked Popo car on the left hand side.

The discussion was going okay until he started telling me I should be out catching a murderer. Up to that point I was considering treating the thing as an educational opportunity. As soon as the attitude deteriorated so did the chance of a warning. The foul language was a clue too.

Anyway, ticket issued.

[James Deuce]

Funny thing happened this morning.

A young guy on a moped overtook my marked Popo car on the left hand side.

The discussion was going okay until he started telling me I should be out catching a murderer. Up to that point I was considering treating the thing as an educational opportunity. As soon as the attitude deteriorated so did the chance of a warning. The foul language was a clue too.

Anyway, ticket issued.

This may be too soon, but you should've taken his keys. Obviously a tourist.

[James Deuce]

Now I'm not disagreeing with the above two statements. But I've found that after 30 years of driving/riding on 3 continents, the blue brigade in NZ is rather reasonable to deal with, provided one doesn't start off with a chip on ones' shoulder from the outset. Exceptions exist of course, but have you ever been pulled over for say speeding in Switzerland? Crossing a double yellow in France? Nah, I'll take the kiwi copper any day.

Indeed. being marched to ATM to PAY NOW is a bit humiliating.

[Bass]

And I remember an occasion on a KB ride (some time ago admittedly), when a member who appears earlier in this thread was radared at WELL over 200 kph not far from the Okorire pub and given a ticket for 139 kph.
On that occasion, the cop was a biker too, but it demonstrates what attitude and courtsey can achieve.

[Akzle]

Funny thing happened this morning.

A young guy on a moped overtook my marked Popo car on the left hand side.

The discussion was going okay until he started telling me I should be out catching a murderer. Up to that point I was considering treating the thing as an educational opportunity. As soon as the attitude deteriorated so did the chance of a warning. The foul language was a clue too.

Anyway, ticket issued.

you sure showed him!

plus, it's one more day of un-harrased murderin' for me - double bonus!

[rastuscat]

And I remember an occasion on a KB ride (some time ago admittedly), when a member who appears earlier in this thread was radared at WELL over 200 kph not far from the Okorire pub and given a ticket for 139 kph.
On that occasion, the cop was a biker too, but it demonstrates what attitude and courtsey can achieve.

Attitude and courtsey? When I was at College they never taught us to courtsey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtsey

[Bass]

Attitude and courtsey? When I was at College they never taught us to courtsey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtsey

Freudian slip perhaps. Think I'll leave it as it is

[RUSS]

If the cop doesn't listen and insists on issuing an infringement notice then take it, email the Police Infringement Bureau and they will cancel the notice.

If you are upset about the cops attitude etc this can also be done by email and it will be addressed.

I am very surprised this has happened. It sounds like the Constable was attached to Auckland Motorways and if he didn't know should have asked. I often Police that T2 lane because there is always someone who thinks they are more important than the rest and wants to push in. I have stopped bikes there before, but that is to tell them that they should be using the T2 lane.

There's always one isn't there.

[Scuba_Steve]

If the cop doesn't listen and insists on issuing an infringement notice then take it, email the Police Infringement Bureau and they will cancel the notice.

You're not in NZ are you? either that or you've never had to deal with this nationwide extortion operation, cause that sure as hell aint the way it works.

[Akzle]

You're not in NZ are you? either that or you've never had to deal with this nationwide extortion operation, cause that sure as hell aint the way it works.

hush ynu.0he's bob. And he heard it from some other cop. And nau theyre all sad. So fuckyou citizen

[Swoop]

You're not in NZ are you? either that or you've never had to deal with this nationwide extortion operation, cause that sure as hell aint the way it works.
If you engage your braincell, I think you may find out Russ has had "some" dealings with our ecilop department...

Either that or just look at the pretty contrails waaay above your head.

[jonnyk5614]

I was heading up onto SH1 Northbound from South Eastern Highway yesterday.

A cop had just pulled a guy queue jumping in the T2 lane with no passengers. As I headed up the lane, he waved to me and pointed in the direction of the queueing traffic.

I didn't work out what he wanted from his gesture so I pulled up next to him.

"It isn't a bus lane buddy - you need to queue up also."
"I thought I was allowed to be in transit lanes?"
"Yeah - I know it is confusing but you shouldn't be in these."
"OK - strange because I saw a letter from Waitemata police saying that we could in all the lanes except the Grafton truck one?"
"Oh well, news to me, but if you are sure no worries."
"OK - cheers."

So perfectly pleasant cop (and he had missed me cutting through a poled off cross hatched area to get to the lane!) and he was doing something worthwhile, namely ticketing the guy who thought he had far more reason than the rest of society to get to work faster, but he didn't know the rules, unless they had changed....

I'll email the cops (without naming the cop - he was a nice guy afterall).

[FJRider]

I was heading up onto SH1 Northbound from South Eastern Highway yesterday.

A cop had just pulled a guy queue jumping in the T2 lane with no passengers. As I headed up the lane, he waved to me and pointed in the direction of the queueing traffic.




Test ... which answer is correct ... ??

On a Transit Lane sign, what does T2 mean?

A. This lane can be used any time after 2pm

B. Only vehicles with two seats can use this lane

C. Only vehicles with less than two people inside can use this lane

D. Only vehicles carrying two or more people can use this lane

E. There are two transit lanes ahead

The correct answer is D

This is a transit lane which can only be used by passenger service vehicles, cycles, motorcycles and vehicles carrying at least two people.


http://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/car/behaviour/on-a-transit-lane-sign-what-does-t2-mean/

[jonnyk5614]

Test ... which answer is correct ... ??


http://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/car/behaviour/on-a-transit-lane-sign-what-does-t2-mean/

Yeah - of course we are allowed there! I wouldn't have followed a cop up the lane if I slightly suspected otherwise....

What I was more bothered about was the attitude of the cage drivers who saw me getting a finger wagging and will go all self righteous to bikers in future....


Did like this on the drivingtest site - "If a transit lane is being monitored then you will need to ensure that your passengers are visible"

I thought we were innocent until proven guilty?

[FJRider]

Yeah - of course we are allowed there! I wouldn't have followed a cop up the lane if I slightly suspected otherwise....

What I was more bothered about was the attitude of the cage drivers who saw me getting a finger wagging and will go all self righteous to bikers in future....


Did like this on the drivingtest site - "If a transit lane is being monitored then you will need to ensure that your passengers are visible"

I thought we were innocent until proven guilty?

Can you not read English ...

a transit lane which can only be used by passenger service vehicles, cycles, motorcycles and vehicles carrying at least two people.


So ... were you alone or did you have a passenger .. ??

[Gremlin]

a transit lane which can only be used by passenger service vehicles, cycles, motorcycles and vehicles carrying at least two people.
The legislation has been abbreviated.

From Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004, Section 1.6 Interpretation


transit lane means a lane reserved for the use of the following (unless specifically excluded by a sign installed at the start of the lane):
(a) passenger service vehicles:
(b) motor vehicles carrying not less than the number of persons (including the driver) specified on the sign:
(c) cycles:
(d) motorcycles:
(e) mopeds

[Scuba_Steve]

Con you not read English ...

a transit lane which can only be used by passenger service vehicles, cycles, motorcycles and vehicles carrying at least two people.


So ... were you alone or did you have a passenger .. ??

Maybee you should learn to read english (& again learn you some legislation while you're at it). Bikes are completely legal in using T2 lanes by legislation & even the copy & paste you posted

[pete-blen]

Test ... which answer is correct ... ??

On a Transit Lane sign, what does T2 mean?

A. This lane can be used any time after 2pm

B. Only vehicles with two seats can use this lane

C. Only vehicles with less than two people inside can use this lane

D. Only vehicles carrying two or more people can use this lane

E. There are two transit lanes ahead

The correct answer is D

This is a transit lane which can only be used by passenger service vehicles, cycles, motorcycles and vehicles carrying at least two people.


http://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/car/behaviour/on-a-transit-lane-sign-what-does-t2-mean/


I have no bloody idea what yer on about... Or what the hell a T2 lane is ...

Sounds like Auck has it's own road code....



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[Akzle]

Con you not read English ...

a transit lane which can only be used by passenger service vehicles, cycles, motorcycles and vehicles carrying at least two people.



no no cunt. The oxford comma.

[Akzle]

Sounds like Auck has it's own road code....



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someone tell THEM

[FJRider]

Sounds like Auck has it's own road code....


90% of NZ's road funding anyway ... <_< ... having their own rules seems highly likely. Changing them (to suit themselves) can only be expected. But how can Police .. police the rules ... if many of them are not aware of the changes ..??




At least we dont have any issues with Taniwha's near our roads here in Paradise ... <_<

[Delerium]

I remember being pulled up for driving in the bus line next to western springs while pasifika was on. Didn't want to go to pasifika, according to the sign the bus lane was only a bus lane Monday to Friday. It was Saturday. plod pulled me over.

'any reason you're driving in the bus lane'

'its outside the hours of being a bus lane at the moment and I don't want to go to pasifika'

'you better not use it anyway. Another unit up the road and he will give you a ticket anyway'

WTF?!

[Tazz]

I remember being pulled up for driving in the bus line next to western springs while pasifika was on. Didn't want to go to pasifika, according to the sign the bus lane was only a bus lane Monday to Friday. It was Saturday. plod pulled me over.

'any reason you're driving in the bus lane'

'its outside the hours of being a bus lane at the moment and I don't want to go to pasifika'

'you better not use it anyway. Another unit up the road and he will give you a ticket anyway'

WTF?!

Aren't they for parking when not in use as bus lanes?

Edit: Don't know about Auckland but in Chch bikes can use them during 'on' hours anyway. Didn't know that, sweet!

http://resources.ccc.govt.nz/files/customercentre/BusLaneEnforcementBrochure.pdf

However...


Outside these times, the
bus lanes generally revert to on-street parking spaces with
a cycle lane alongside, where indicated.

[Moi]

At least we dont have any issues with Taniwha's near our roads here in Paradise ... <_<

I don't believe Auckland has taniwha issues, but you may like to ask those who live in Waikato...

[Moi]

Aren't they for parking when not in use as bus lanes?

Precisely, a lane is only a bus lane when the sign indicates that it is... the remainder of the day it is the lane nearest the kerb and can be parked in or driven in...

[Gremlin]

Aren't they for parking when not in use as bus lanes?
Unless marked for parking (or not marked, like dotted yellows), they revert to a standard lane. Like any regular road with no parking restrictions, you could have vehicles parked on the left, and therefore the lane becomes effectively unusable.

[Big Dog]

I don't believe Auckland has taniwha issues, but you may like to ask those who live in Waikato...
I seem to recall a multi million dollar study into how to deal with the taniwha in the estuary in Mission Bay? Blocking a planned redevelopment of the walkways between Mission and Mechanics bay?
I can't find the actual study but did find this in the waterfront plan for auckland.

From https://www.waterfrontauckland.co.nz/getmedia/68b631ad-87ef-4501-b8cc-3083698b70da/39347-WAKL-Waterfront-Plan_Y.pdf.aspx/

Where there weren’t
gardens
filled with kumara and taro,
the native bush would flourish with branches bending
under the weight of plump birds such as kererū. Numerous
taniwha or spiritual guardians, such as Ureia, once dwelt in
the waters of the Waitemata using the reef off Point Erin to
scratch its back.

[jonnyk5614]

Con you not read English ...

a transit lane which can only be used by passenger service vehicles, cycles, motorcycles and vehicles carrying at least two people.


So ... were you alone or did you have a passenger .. ??

Yes.... I can read english.

You gave me a list:
Passenger Service Vehicles;
Cycles;
Motorcycles; and
Vehicles carrying at least two people.

I was alone on my Motorcycle.

[jonnyk5614]

Precisely, a lane is only a bus lane when the sign indicates that it is... the remainder of the day it is the lane nearest the kerb and can be parked in or driven in...

And back in my car days I'd skip so many queues when people didn't read the damn sign!

The Tamaki drive transit lane in a great queue jump - T2 6:30 - 9am. Usually still a queue after then though so just jump in the big empty transit!

[swbarnett]

Yes.... I can read english.

You gave me a list:
Passenger Service Vehicles;
Cycles;
Motorcycles; and
Vehicles carrying at least two people.

I was alone on my Motorcycle.
So? You're still legal on a T2 without a pillion as shown in the list above.

[jonnyk5614]

So? You're still legal on a T2 without a pillion as shown in the list above.

Exactly lol

But the guy who had a go at me gave me negative rep anyway lol

[FJRider]

Exactly lol

But the guy who had a go at me gave me negative rep anyway lol

You have not made enough posts to SEE who gave you rep.

[Banditbandit]

"If a transit lane is being monitored then you will need to ensure that your passengers are visible"

I thought we were innocent until proven guilty?

If the cop can't see your passengers he's going to presume you are guilty ..


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Sounds like Auck has it's own road code....



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Dorkland is it's own bloody country - about time we cut it loose .. it costs shit loads to have ..

[Scuba_Steve]

Dorkland is it's own bloody country - about time we cut it loose .. it costs shit loads to have ..

You've got my support ;)

[Akzle]

You have not made enough posts to SEE who gave you rep.
and KB is all about post count <_<

You've got my support ;)

vote akzle.

[FJRider]

Dorkland is it's own bloody country - about time we cut it loose .. it costs shit loads to have ..

Cutting the cable would be a start ... :shifty:

[Maha]

Exactly lol

But the guy who had a go at me gave me negative rep anyway lol

I reckon Trev did it.... ;)

[caseye]

I reckon Trev did it.... ;)

Na it'll be that barstard bOB! bob.
Can you read OP?
Any vehicle with TWO or more people in/on it, can use a T2 lane.
Another totally pointless thread.

[FJRider]

Any vehicle with TWO or more people in/on it, can use a T2 lane.
Another totally pointless thread.

What luck ... I have two ... two or more vehicles ... one is even a motorcycle.

I'm just glad I'm not in Auckland .... in Paradise I can go by myself (if I choose) anywher I want on the mainland roads.

[baffa]

So basically cyclists in the T2 lanes are illegal, unless they stop at the bus stop at the top of the road and get a passenger to sit in their handlebars?

Great reading comprehension Fjrider. :msn-wink:

Perhaps it's best to cut us loose. I dont want to run the risk of you driving on Auckland roads :scratch:

[FJRider]

If the cop can't see your passengers he's going to presume you are guilty ..





Sometimes ... you're guilty .. even if he/she CAN see your passenger ... :shifty:

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/dummy-auckland-driver-fined-fake-passenger-in-t2-lane-6309014

[Tazz]

Na it'll be that barstard bOB! bob.
Can you read OP?
Any vehicle with TWO or more people in/on it, can use a T2 lane.
Another totally pointless thread.
Is that your final answer...?

https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/bus-transit-priority-lanes/#times

[caseye]

Is that your final answer...?

https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/bus-transit-priority-lanes/#times

Yeah, Na! 10char's

[jonnyk5614]

You have not made enough posts to SEE who gave you rep.

The comment he left with the rep gave it away :)

[jonnyk5614]

Sometimes ... you're guilty .. even if he/she CAN see your passenger ... :shifty:

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/dummy-auckland-driver-fined-fake-passenger-in-t2-lane-6309014

"First time I've done it, honest.... "

Yeaahhhhh....... Nah

[Doppleganger]

Na it'll be that barstard bOB! bob.
Can you read OP?
Any vehicle with TWO or more people in/on it, can use a T2 lane.
Another totally pointless thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=117684&d=1233291089

[Akzle]

Another totally pointless thread.

uh-oh. someone better tell maha.

[Maha]

He quoted me, drongo....:facepalm:

[FJRider]

The comment he left with the rep gave it away :)

I've told a few members what comment YOU made with the Neg rep you "deducted" from my rep ... 3 points I think it was ... :killingme