Ban on radar detectors being considered

[shafty]

On "Stuff" this morning -the link is http://www.stuff.co.nz/4816468a11.html

Whatever your view, there is a poll there, where you can vote. I'd suggest you at least vote to show the media and Government what you think.

My view is that, as the Police say, they still catch people with detectors, - so why not leave the status quo, and give Professional Drivers a fair go.

Vote or don't post!

[jrandom]

Do you really think anyone with the power to ban radar detectors gives a flying fuck about a poll on stuff.co.nz?

[kiwifruit]

yep, ban them :sunny:

[shafty]

YES

Voted? Vote or don't post

[kiwifruit]

Yep!

I haven't voted though.... I'm posting, na na naa naaa naaaa :chase:

[imdying]

Last year National didn't like the idea, wonder what they think now... We are watching you, don't forget it.

[Slyer]

We should just ban crashing and cancer and be done with it.

[CHOPPA]

I vote no, it makes it way more of a sport! Police play the game by turning there radars off and on...

[Hitcher]

The Police are delightfully contradictory in their comments about radar detectors. In one breath they say that they don't prevent speeders getting caught, and in another they want them banned.

If, as the Police suggest, radar detectors are an indicator of a driver's propensity to exceed the posted legal limits, then why aren't they also calling for a ban on small penises?

[Squiggles]

In the bigger picture of things, banning would do sfa. There are far better measures that could be introduced to bring down the road toll

[idb]

.....why aren't they also calling for a ban on small penises?

I agree, those dirty buggers piss on most of their fingers...oh...I see what you mean now...


And...shouldn't it be "peni"?

[sinfull]

I voted NO but i only exceed the speed limit when my attention wanders !
What were we voting for again ?

[shafty]

I voted NO but i only exceed the speed limit when my attention wanders !
What were we voting for again ?

Democracy Bill, democracy! :Police:

[sinfull]

Democracy Bill, democracy! :Police:

Dictionary .com


a light, humorous play in which the plot depends upon a skillfully exploited situation rather than upon the development of character.

[Hitcher]

In the bigger picture of things, banning would do sfa. There are far better measures that could be introduced to bring down the road toll

Such as harsher penalties for drink driving; and mandatory driver training with regular refresher courses. But the regulators aren't planning on dealing with either of those any time soon. Just like they appear to have no intention of dealing with the abysmal safety record of trucks.

[slimjim]

i've never used them, personally enjoy the control of biking without the need to have extra support method's..

[wysper]

Ban them. Or not. I have never owned one myself. Would rather spend my money on a good GPS system.

I would rather they banned cellphones.

[Meanie]

I would rather they banned cellphones.

Dam good point, cant believe the amount of people i see driving and texting at the same time, thats gonna kill more than speed
They should put the speed limit for motor cycles up to 120 kph then most of us wont need radar detectors, but that opens it up for the guys with small peni to go even faster.

[Slyer]

Get lost texting in cars is awesome.

[oldrider]

On "Stuff" this morning -the link is http://www.stuff.co.nz/4816468a11.html

Whatever your view, there is a poll there, where you can vote. I'd suggest you at least vote to show the media and Government what you think.

My view is that, as the Police say, they still catch people with detectors, - so why not leave the status quo, and give Professional Drivers a fair go.

Vote or don't post!

I don't use one but I voted "NO" on principle, bloody fascist rule makers. (Ban this, ban that, yady yady yah!)

The real target is individual freedom.

They catch people with cell phones too but they don't worry about that! :confused: John.

[Meanie]

Get lost texting in cars is awesome.

Wont be so awesome when you take someones family out

[Hitcher]

I was recently priviledged to observe a scooter rider texting whilst lane splitting rush hour traffic. Try doing that on a motorbike. Skill like that deserves its own special form of recognition.

[Taz]

I voted NO several times....... You can do that :)

[Slyer]

Wont be so awesome when you take someones family out
I always keep plenty of distance from the car in front of me, never change lanes without putting the phone down and I can text without even looking at the screen.
It really is safe as long as you don't do it like an idiot.

[Meanie]

I always keep plenty of distance from the car in front of me, never change lanes without putting the phone down and I can text without even looking at the screen.
It really is safe as long as you don't do it like an idiot.

If you text and drive you are an idiot

[NZsarge]

If you text and drive you are an idiot

agreed, +1 even.

[imdying]

I always keep plenty of distance from the car in front of me, never change lanes without putting the phone down and I can text without even looking at the screen.
It really is safe as long as you don't do it like an idiot.Ok, lets try again... won't be so awesome when someone takes your family out.

[alanzs]

I voted NO! Enough of the government intruding in our lives!

[alanzs]

I was recently priviledged to observe a scooter rider texting whilst lane splitting rush hour traffic. Try doing that on a motorbike. Skill like that deserves its own special form of recognition.

I see a Darwin moment coming for the texting scooter rider...

[Slyer]

It takes as much of your attention as talking to your passenger, glancing at your gps or adjusting your stereo.
For me at least. I can understand why other people may be incapable.

Texting is done without looking at the screen, it uses your free hand that you aren't using while driving.

[Blackbird]

Texting is done without looking at the screen, it uses your free hand that you aren't using while driving.

I hope this is a troll. If it's not, Darwin will be proven correct again.:shifty:

[Slyer]

Deadly serious. (haha...)

[Meanie]

Thanks for the red rep Racer X, you havnt even posted in this discussion but feel the need to strike behind someones back. You are obviously a spineless coward

[Taz]

Thanks for the red rep Racer X, you havnt even posted in this discussion but feel the need to strike behind someones back. You are obviously a spineless coward

Let it go. Red rep means nothing.

[imdying]

Thanks for the red rep Racer X, you havnt even posted in this discussion but feel the need to strike behind someones back. You are obviously a spineless coward

You poor we dot... Here you go, fill this in and get back to us :doctor:

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[Slyer]

The hurt feelings report could have been done better.

[Meanie]

Let it go. Red rep means nothing.

Yea i,m not worried about the rep, just cant be bothered with some of the immature tossers that stalk the halls of kb, wrecking what was a good thread discussion

[Swoop]

Voted no, but it will make not a jot of difference.
a: Politicians will not take heed of the poll.
b: The public will keep using detectors regardless of any laws.

[Blackbird]

It seems to me that this thread has plenty emotive debate but stuff-all in the way of facts. Last time this emerged, I did a literature search and have attached what I found. At least there are solid facts even though the political outcome may not be influenced by them.

[Morcs]

I was recently priviledged to observe a scooter rider texting whilst lane splitting rush hour traffic. Try doing that on a motorbike. Skill like that deserves its own special form of recognition.

Ive done it...

at slightly higher speed though - 60-70kph

[sunhuntin]

i've never used them, personally enjoy the control of biking without the need to have extra support method's..

agreed. i prefer to trust how the bike feels [vibration etc] to know what speed im doing [no vibration means about 90k. nasty vibes in the bars about 100-105 and a really screaming exhaust about 110k, lol.]

same goes for gps. only time i wish id had one was in chch 07. 12 hours on the bike, and my map didnt show that the road i wanted to take to get to my hotel was one way... the way being opposite to the direction i wanted. :bash: but thats the only time ive wished for one. rest of the time im happier getting lost.

[Chooky]

Yea detectors should be banned.....
I'd hate to think I went to all the trouble of concealing mine if they're not going to be...:cool:

[Jantar]

...., it uses your free hand that you aren't using while driving.

Wow, You have 3 hands?

[Slyer]

You only need your second hand when changing gears or doing serious cornering...

[Jantar]

You only need your second hand when changing gears or doing serious cornering... Or using the indicators, or the horn, or....

[Ixion]

Well, it is really no different to an older machine without trafficators, where the rider must use hand signals. However, I would be concerned at the probability of dropping the 'phone.

[SPman]

Well, it is really no different to an older machine without trafficators, where the rider must use hand signals. However, I would be concerned at the probability of dropping the 'phone.It's easier with an open tank bag - that's how I managed........:sweatdrop

[Racer X]

If you text and drive you are an idiot

I "Red Repped" you for making sweeping generalisations about people with no back up evidence, which is exactly what the government is doing with this Radar detector issue.

[alanzs]

I "Red Repped" you for making sweeping generalisations about people with no back up evidence, which is exactly what the government is doing with this Radar detector issue.

I thought that was what this internet thing was all about? :shit:

[Meanie]

I "Red Repped" you for making sweeping generalisations about people with no back up evidence, which is exactly what the government is doing with this Radar detector issue.

My brothers car accident while he was texting was enough evidence for me to make my coment, he nearly took a family out while trying to text. Next time show your face and at least have the courtesy to engage in discussion before throwing your toys out of the cot and throwing red rep around.
I followed a young guy over christmas and thought he was drunk until i managed to get passed him and noticed he was texting while trying to drive. Didnt look like a good combination to me

[Slyer]

Its definitely not for everyone.

[naphazoline]

This is just my personal opinion.

Will banning detectors lessen accidents? Or stop people speeding?

I think it's time we opened our eyes.Are we really that blind?
It's sickening how authorities never make a mention of driver distractions in cars,(IE:stereos,phones,and all the things that cause these LAPSES IN ATTENTION).

I personally think that the conditions of our roads are absolutely appalling,(One good example would be the piles of loose gravel left unswept after resealing the road.Seems a very common practice around here as of late),but that's never an issue according to the so-called crash experts.(Some revenue spending here,might just lower the road toll.)

More worth a mention,is the pure lack of driver ability on the roads today.Maybe it should be compulsory to do a defensive driving course.(I've done one,and i'm all for it.)
Seems to me,that a hell of a lot of road users could do with some sort of coaching on the current road rules,and different characteristics that different vehicles have.(Not saying that i'm perfect.There's always more for me to learn too)

Now.....How many of us can say we never lapse in concentration EVERY TIME we're out on the road?

How many of us can say we're TOTALLY up to date with the current road rules?(If you haven't sat your license in the last five years,i doubt there's many.)

How many of us can say that OUR DRIVING ABILITY is nothing less then RECOMMENDED?

Don't you think it's all too easy to blame speeding,when there are obviously a greater percentage of contributing factors that we would rather ignore,cause maybe we're more guilty then a common speeder?

Yes,speed can kill......but so can a lot of other things that seem to get no mention when road tolls are discussed by the media/police/public.

I.M.O,It all points to ignoring our own faults/laying blame.

[Slyer]

Having to worry about speed is a distraction.
If we all just went about what feels right we would be able to concentrate more on the road.

[naphazoline]

Having to worry about speed is a distraction.
If we all just went about what feels right we would be able to concentrate more on the road.

I agree with that.
Especially on a big bike,where a minimal throttle movement results in a 10-15kmh increment.

[rwh]

It seems to me that this thread has plenty emotive debate but stuff-all in the way of facts. Last time this emerged, I did a literature search and have attached what I found. At least there are solid facts even though the political outcome may not be influenced by them.

Where did that document come from? Thought of putting a link to it in the stuff comments section?

Richard

[Blackbird]

Where did that document come from? Thought of putting a link to it in the stuff comments section?

Richard

From stuff I collated via the 'net. I did put a comment to Stuff with some blunt but polite comment plus a few lines about the study and last time I looked, they hadn't published it; not that it really matters. I have, however, sent it to a mate/fellow KB member who is a senior NZTA employee. I wouldn't hold your breath though as since when has evidence been a prerequisite for politicians to make informed decisions?

Edit: Just had a look and my comments were published in Stuff.

[Naki Rat]

Wow, You have 3 hands?


You only need your second hand when changing gears or doing serious cornering...

I suspect he was implying that you require a hand each for the wheel, your cellphone and your dick if you make a habit of texting while driving :Pokey:

[pritch]

You only need your second hand when changing gears or doing serious cornering...

Wow! They still make bikes with hand operated gear levers?

I have seen on the TV News instances where someone was killed while texting and another where a texter killed someone else.

It was when Harry Duynhoven as Minister turned down the opportunity to make texting while driving illegal, that I decided he was in the wrong job and perhaps he shouldn't even be my MP.

Duynhoven's subsequent decision re cheese cutters, and his announcement about banning radar detectors reinforced those impressions. Other people must have felt the same because he isn't Minister anymore, and he went from having one of the biggest majorities in Parliament to being an ex MP in one short term.

Sadly though I have no great hope for his successor...

[cold comfort]

It seems to me that this thread has plenty emotive debate but stuff-all in the way of facts. Last time this emerged, I did a literature search and have attached what I found. At least there are solid facts even though the political outcome may not be influenced by them.

Yes, sadly politicians, like journalists, never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Extensive INDEPENDANT research, as listed including an extensive one by Monash University proved radar detectors improve driver safety rather tan the opposite. Also another recent independant US study showed speed was only at 8% as a CAUSE of crashes the biggest cause being drivers on the wrong side of the road! No doubt we wil continue to be bludgeoned by the nanny state with self serving propaganda designed to justify revenue (little of which is spent on ourr appalling roads)