Minto

[Maha]

John Minto is a disgrace and a wanker of the highest order.
Protesting at the Tennis today in Auckland? Who the fuck does he think he is?
He managed to disrupt a perfectly good rugby tour in 81' and that was about his lot in life. Today he raised his ugly mug again because there is a female Israeli playing tennis in Auckland, I dont think she personally has anything to do with whats going in Gaza. Pull ya head in Minto and get real job!

[Max Preload]

Indeed. He's a fuck'n snivelling little worm. And most importantly, he's wrong.

I also hope he's proud of the modern South Africa he helped create.

[ManDownUnder]

I think it's the perfect place to protest - surrounded by people that are expert at whacking balls...

What about if we protest against the protests! Have an anti John Minto March! That'd be fun - confusing as hell - and fun!

[Maki]

Yes, how dare this person interrupt a tennis match because hundreds of women and children are being killed and injured? They do not share the most common NZ religion and their skin is not pig pink, so who gives a toss? Let's get on with important things like tennis, cricket, etc. and forget about insignificant nonsense like nazi genocide going on somewhere else in the world...

[Jantar]

Yes, how dare this person interrupt a tennis match because hundreds of women and children are being killed and injured? They do not share the most common NZ religion and their skin is not pig pink, so who gives a toss? Let's get on with important things like tennis, cricket, etc. and forget about insignificant nonsense like nazi genocide going on somewhere else in the world...

I am shocked that our government would allow a female tennis player to enter New Zealand, knowing that she and she alone ordered the murder of hundreds of women and children in Gaza.

Ummm? This tennis player does have that power, doesn't she?

And, uhh, there are hundreds of women and children being killed aren't there? I have heard of a few as collateral to the main thrust of hitting the militants who conveniently dress as civillians and fire missiles from civillian areas into civillian areas.

And this is genocide isn't it? I take it that Israel has decided to exterminate all Palestian people without any provocation?

Or maybe I am just easily led by your spin. :oi-grr:

[Max Preload]

Yes, how dare this person interrupt a tennis match because hundreds of women and children are being killed and injured?

Funny how he didn't let out a squeak while the elected government of Palestine was firing unguided, indiscriminate Russian & Iranian rockets into the nation of Israel for the past 7 years.

[Mom]

I doubt there would be many of us that are not disgusted about what is happening, but...

To protest and demand a female tennis player does not play and goes home just because of where she was born is not on at all!

This man is a professional protestor, does not care about the cause as much as organising the protests. Wasn't it him that was involved in the Maori occupation in Wanganui a few years ago?

[HenryDorsetCase]

John Minto is a disgrace and a wanker of the highest order.
Protesting at the Tennis today in Auckland? Who the fuck does he think he is?
He managed to disrupt a perfectly good rugby tour in 81' and that was about his lot in life. Today he raised his ugly mug again because there a female Israeli playing tennis in Auckland, I dont think she personally has anything to do with whats going in Gaza. Pull ya head in Minto and get real job!

I kind of agree with you which saddens me a little. When did I turn into my Dad?

[BIGBOSSMAN]

I heard she wiped out a Hamas machine gun nest with a dozen 140kmh serves, and has been known to lob grenades with pin point accuracy.
She's a lethal weapon that woman...

[Maha]

Yes, how dare this person interrupt a tennis match because hundreds of women and children are being killed and injured? They do not share the most common NZ religion and their skin is not pig pink, so who gives a toss? Let's get on with important things like tennis, cricket, etc. and forget about insignificant nonsense like nazi genocide going on somewhere else in the world...

There are also Americans at the ASB Classic, Minto would not be a supporter of the American Military being in Iraq, that seems to have slipped his mind. Maybe the middle east thing is bla bla to him now, being 5-6 years old now.

Yes he is entitled to protest but I just think hes a fuckwit.

I like both bananas and vinegar, but the two should never mix.

[Maki]

Minto may very well be a fuckwit, I don't know, and frankly I don't care. There are more important things...

[slofox]

I also hope he's proud of the modern South Africa he helped create.

Do you think it was better as it was then Max?

[davereid]

Mr. Minto appears to have been unable to find his protest pants when Hamas broke the cease fire, and started firing 3000 missiles a year at random targets in Israel.

Mr. Minto also appears to forget that Hamas could stop the fighting at anytime by merely promising to stop trying to destroy Israel.

[Maha]

Minto may very well be a fuckwit, I don't know, and frankly I don't care. There are more important things...

Now that I agree with Maki, I started this thread with that view point, he got about 12 seconds on TV so his job is done. Maurice Williamson had a go at him outside the complex, I think its the first time have agreed with him also.

Some Middle Eastern Country's have hated each other for hundreds of years, and it will continue to be that way for years to come, we as a peaceful Nation should embrace any visitor, not protest against them.

[ynot slow]

Religion-the root of all wars.

Think it was that f.ckwit Mair in Wanganui,funny thing was/is Mair was in the navy,my ex had a cousin in the same squad as this f.ckwit.He was all for maori soveriegnety etc,but when they had a rugby game of kiwis(europeans)vs rest i.e natives of any ethnic group,Mair played for the euros.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes, how dare this person interrupt a tennis match because hundreds of women and children are being killed and injured? They do not share the most common NZ religion and their skin is not pig pink, so who gives a toss? Let's get on with important things like tennis, cricket, etc. and forget about insignificant nonsense like nazi genocide going on somewhere else in the world...

Indeed. Because what the fuck has this poor girl done HERSELF PERSONALLY to deserve any type of fucking protest?

And how could you possibly call what is happening over there anything like 'nazi genocide'?

If you had you family rapped up warm and safe at home, and I started shooting arrows through your windows with a crossbow...and you owned an m16....you'd eventually use it.

[Dooly]

I'm surprise the cunt Minto has made it to his current age.
Thought some one would of taken him out in 81 or later.
Not on a date either.<_<

[slofox]

I was at University of Canterbury back in the day when HART first appeared. Now I seem to recall that the original HART stood for Halt All ROYAL Tours...not Halt All RACIST Tours....it got changed a little later on...anyone else remember that?

[Mom]

It seems that many feel that the Germans had every right to do what they did

Sorry I could not go past this comment. At risk of taking this thread way off the topic of what a complete waste of space Minto is....

WHAT????????

[ElCoyote]

Do you think it was better as it was then Max?


Judging from the number of SA immigrants arriving in NZ and Aus, YES :headbang:

[scumdog]

John Minto is a disgrace and a wanker of the highest order.
Protesting at the Tennis today in Auckland? Who the fuck does he think he is?
He managed to disrupt a perfectly good rugby tour in 81' and that was about his lot in life. Today he raised his ugly mug again because there is a female Israeli playing tennis in Auckland, I dont think she personally has anything to do with whats going in Gaza. Pull ya head in Minto and get real job!

He's a twat.

[scumdog]

Sorry I could not go past this comment. At risk of taking this thread way off the topic of what a complete waste of space Minto is....

WHAT????????

A twat, a self centred twat.

[scumdog]

Indeed. He's a fuck'n snivelling little worm. And most importantly, he's wrong.

I also hope he's proud of the modern South Africa he helped create.

He's a twat.

[Maha]

He's a twat.


A twat, a self centred twat.

Indeed Summy....this thread is primarily about him, nothing to do with condoning atrocities that have, and still accure throughout the world.

Its a game of Tennis!!!!

[Pussy]

its a game of Tennis!!!!

Correct.... and Minto is a twat! :niceone:

[Maha]

Correct.... and Minto is a twat! :niceone:

Damn, should have made this a poll.....:laugh:

[SixPackBack]

There is no win here. We are simply looking at variations of this over time. It will be just how many are being killed where and when. I suspect that the body count currently heavily favours the Is more then the Ps over the last 10 years or so - who knows. This may change over the next hundred years - who knows again?

Minto and his buddies are taking a micro lens focus to a much larger issue and pissing into the wind. Unfortunately the current piss is spraying onto more innocents.

What exactly is he trying to achieve?

I listened to an interview on the radio today, and the apparent issue that is at the core is the opression etc of the I's against the Ps. There is a lot of valid stuff there, others argue that it is unbalanced surviuval????

I thought that:
- siince the UN set up the 2 states after WWII, at the end of the British rule, that there were multiple displaced people.
- that there has been several wars with the aim of eliminating the I State.
- that radical Ps (and others) stated aim is to eliminate the I State
- that radical Is (and others) stated aim is to keep the I State at all costs.

So, lets imagine that the I's will stop "retailating", and continue to get out of the occupied areas (as they have been for the last few years). Will the a'hole Ps stop trying to kill the I's and eliminate I?

A badly thought through micro protest.

Micro lens view???.....a holistic view seems more appropriate! both sides need sending to the naughty corner!
And yeah Mark Minto [as scummy so eloquently put it] is a total fucken twat-hope the coppers gave him the bash.

[oldrider]

Irrespective of the situation in the middle east! :confused:

Minto is a twat, always was a twat, always will be a twat. :shifty: John.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hamas is happy to lob mortar rounds and unguided missiles over the wall to indescrminately kill whoever is around.

For Hamas it's the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a worldwide Islamic religious dictatorship. From a distance, it's easy to ignore the goals of Hamas, but the closer you get, the uglier, and more lethal, Hamas becomes.

In eight days of operations, 430 Palestinians and four Israelis have been killed. Hamas has not been as successful as it hoped in using civilians as human shields, and running up the civilian death toll. Lots of dead civilians are essential to Hamas success

2008: Hamas has fired about 60 rockets and mortar shells a day into southern Israel since the Israeli bombing began on the 27th. These attacks have killed four Israelis and wounded several dozen.

Also, minto is a complete cunt.

Great post...And Minto is indeed a total cunt.

[Pussy]

But does minto know what he's protesting about?
He's a professional protester.... that's about it

[ManDownUnder]

Minto's just a professional protester. He sees a cause, organises signs, people, and a venue - and goes at it.

His principle tactic is to raise attention to things by annoying people that (quite often) don't deserve it. I think it's fair he shouold be annoyed back, regularly...

[Jantar]

As usual we choose to shoot the messenger rather than listen to the message. .........

So? Reading all of your post, I cannot see one single reference to how this young female tennis player has contributed to any of the situation in Israel/Palistine.

Can anyone please explain why Minto is picking on a young female who wasn't even born when most of the issues being raised by the pro Palestine posters on here even occured?

[ManDownUnder]

Can anyone please explain why Minto is picking on a young female who wasn't even born when most of the issues being raised by the pro Palestine posters on here even occured?

It's obviously her fault - in exactly the same way that I'm personally responsible for confiscating Maori land

:corn:

[Bass]

Can I point out that the original post was regarding protestors having a go at a tennis player. Therefore discussion of the conflict in Gaza is off topic. It is related but not relevant. Separate thread seems appropriate.

For me, the ultimate irony in all this was the protestor's placard shown in this morning's herald which said something to the effect of "bullying is not OK".
How else would you define a bunch like this having a go at a 22 year old female?

[Oscar]

Minto has no right to harass an individual going about her trade.
Maybe if she was part of a National Team...


As for the rest, it's a genuine "no win" argument.

Now that the Superpowers have stopped using the region as a pissing competition area, it is full of confusion.

Israel is overreacting to a problem that it had a hand in creating, slowly choking the life of Gaza and then pretending to be surprised when trouble erupted.

Hamas are playing the victim, but essentially using their own people as human shields for their fighters. The people were crazy to elect Hamas, but several generations of economic oppression, occupation and violence will do that to you.

The problem with discussing this problem is perspective.

You have to go back to at least Balfour to really get a handle on this problem, but most people only go back to 9/11, or 1948 at best. GO back a century, at that point you can see how the bad guys become our friends and the oppressed become the oppressors.

For example - King David Hotel - Jewish Terrorists including one future Israeli PM murder innocent civilians. Or how 'bout how the Israeli Army stood by and let Christian Druze Militia kill refugees in Lebanon? In the meantime Hamas and other Arab terrorist randomly lob rockets into Israel and horrorify the Western sensibilities with suicide weapons.

If you think you can see a good guy in this mess, think again. The only certainty about the Middle East is that everyone has blood on their hands...

[Swoop]

I have been informed and invited by a workmate, that there will be another protest tomorrow in Auckland, at midday.
I am quite tempted to go along and protest against the terrorists.


The people were crazy to elect Hamas
Yes, well.
The alternative was "vote for us and we'll govern Gaza".
Hamas worked on "Vote for us or we'll kill you and your family".
Terrorists, huh?

[MisterD]

/edit: Oscar makes a good point... other than by birth, is she actually officially representing Israel?

No, but she'd probably get a ticker-tape parade in Tel Aviv if she won Wimbledon...

[enigma51]

What get me about protestors is the once that sit on this side of the world never even been to the place in question and shout foul play.

They base there arguments on what goes on in the media and the media is going to go for the losers cause that sells.

for example

Media start off blah blah blah gaza is suffering massive bombs
shows you people carring kids etc etc. Then says the whole world is up in arms..... israel so bad blah blah then comes the small 1 second print this war was started with hamash launching 90 home made bomb into israel a day for months


Then another one hamash main military leader who was hero to the palistine and trained countless suicide bombers is killed with his family israel is so bad blah blah blah sanctions blah blah blah blah :wacko:

[slowpoke]

I agree Ned, the thread is about Minto, seems to be alot of Religous Raving going on.

Exactly my point Jantar, she also paid her own way to come down here and play, only to be greeted with Steptoe's double chanting on about shit that no doubt concerns her but she has no political agenda what so ever, shs's a tennis player.

Well thats one vote...:Punk:


Thanks Neil, all the war analizing and biblical learning is kinda weird.

PS: Like the tags...even a Maconroe Quote

Let me get this straight: you want to shoot the messenger without discussing his message? And you are calling other people weird?

[ManDownUnder]

Let me get this straight: you want to shoot the messenger without discussing his message? And you are calling other people weird?

Can't speak for Maha - but pretty much... yes.

Minto's message is that the Tennis player should pass up her hard earned right to a living, and the chance for advancement in her chosen career to demonstrate she is against Israel's actions...

1) Does he know she actually IS against them?
2) Does he expect her to do it just in NZ or globally. If it was just in NZ that'd be a tad hypocritical don't you think - taking one side here, and the other side in OZ and the US and...etc
3) Does the Israeli tennis player get reimbursed for her trip - now lain to waste if she was to support Minto and "the cause"
4) What is John Minto giving up for the cause? He's asking others to give stuff up (quite a lot in fact)... but I'm unclear what sacrifices he's making. Again - a tad hypocritical.

So in this case - I'm happy to attack the message and the messenger. The message is BS due to her relationship with the problem at hand (i.e. there is NO way she's responsible at all). The Messenger is BS - he's a hypocrite, shit stirrer and jumps on anything that looks like a cause. He's a professional protestor which I personally have a problem with. My response is something akin to "get a real job".

To paraprase a statement I made earlier... she's as responsible for the actions of Israel you are for taking Maori land. Or are you going to give your share back?

[Maha]

Let me get this straight: you want to shoot the messenger without discussing his message? And you are calling other people weird?

Yes thats correct.
Start another thread dedicated to the middle east crap if you want.

[slowpoke]

Can't speak for Maha - but pretty much... yes.

His message is that the Tennis player should pass up her hard earned right to a living, and the chance for advancement in her chosen career to demonstrate she is against Israel's actions...

1) Does he know she actually IS against them?
2) Does he expect her to do it just in NZ or globally. If it was just in NZ that'd be a tad hypocritical don't you think - taking one side here, and the other side in OZ and the US and...etc
3) Does the Israeli tennis player get reimbursed for her trip - now lain to waste if she was to support Minto and "the cause"
4) What is John Minto giving up for the cause? He's asking others to give stuff up (quite a lot in fact)... but I'm unclear what sacrifices he's making. Again - a tad hypocritical.


So in this case - I'm happy to attack the message and the messenger. The message is BS due to her relationship with the problem at hand (i.e. there is NO way she's responsible at all). The Messenger is BS - he's a hypocrite, shit stirrer and jumps on anything that looks like a cause. He's a professional protestor which I personally have a problem with. My response is something akin to "get a real job".

To paraprase a statement I made earlier... she's as responsible for the actions of Israel you are for taking Maori land. Or are you going to give your share back?

Easy big fella, this is about Minto remember, apparently we aren't supposed to actually discuss the issues. Maybe you'd like to start another thread......

I can't recall seeing too many protesting jobs advertised in The Dominion so calling him, or any protestor, a "professional" may be stretching the bounds of credibility.

Despite his protest being more along the lines of a hobby than a paid line of work he hasn't done too bad a job. He's succeeded in getting people to actually talk about it (evidence right here) and maybe just a few will actually want to educate themselves further and learn more about the issues rather than just ignoring a shitty situation.

[Swoop]

Despite his protest being more along the lines of a hobby than a paid line of work he hasn't done too bad a job...
You should have added "... at making himself look like the complete idiot that he is".

Professional protestors:
1. John Minto.
2. Sue Badford.

[MisterD]

You should have added "... at making himself look like the complete idiot that he is".

Professional protestors:
1. John Minto.
2. Sue Badford.

3. Keith (Pil)Locke

[Marmoot]

I support this guy Minto whoever he is. That Israeli tennis player is not hot enough.

Now, Sharapova....ahem...we demand more of that kind.

[McJim]

Or maybe I am just easily led by your spin. :oi-grr:

Why not? you seem to have been easily drawn by the Israeli spin! :rofl::Pokey:

[ManDownUnder]

3. Keith (Pil)Locke

Saw him on the news saying we should send money for the reconstruction effort...!

Shouldn't we wait for the destruction to end before we start rebuilding? Nothing quite so annoying as that emergency housing being blown up...

[Winston001]

I like tennis. I don't like Minto. I don't support his protest.

So it's with gritted teeth that I have to admit he is doing what an effective protestor should do - hijacking a media event and drawing attention to an issue. The existence of this thread illustrates his effectiveness.


Your easily led by spin alright, just not my spin. (If you want to know who's spin is leading you, then find out for yourself who has more control and ownership of the western media, Palestinians or Israelis.)

You can spin it all you like but I tend to take sides with the weak against the strong, always have and always will......

How soon we forget, and how cold are our hearts....

Despite your thoughts on Western media and the New Statesman report, my observation is that since about 1980 (post Camp David) the media have become very pro-Palestinian. Basically it's because they are the underdog and that always makes good press. Plus Israel has the support of the USA ergo: Israel must be really bad.

Lets be completely honest here about the weak and the strong. Israel is surrounded by Arab nations, all of whom until very recently, held official government policy to destroy the new State. Iran still holds that view. Tens of millions of Islamics believe this implicitly.

In 1948 the brand new state of Israel was attacked by the Arab armies who had 3 million soldiers at their command. Britain watched. America was too distant to help. Somehow - they had their backs to the wall and nothing to lose - the Israelis eventually won.

If the Palestinian cause was so just and simple, do you really imagine their semitic brothers wouldn't intervene? Not with guns but with money. 1% of the GDP of Saudi Arabia would solve the Palestinian woes for all time.

But it ain't gonna happen.

[Pussy]

What's this got to do with the fact that Minto is a twat?

[Max Preload]

What's this got to do with the fact that Minto is a twat?

Everything, I'd say. Surely ignoring the facts and taking a stand against the people not at fault is evidence that you're a twat.

[Hitcher]

Before this thread runs to another four pages, does anybody actually disagree with the proposition that Mr Minto is a twat?

[Pussy]

Everything, I'd say. Surely ignoring the facts and taking a stand against the people not at fault is evidence that you're a twat.
Precisely my point... Minto has made a life of being a professional twat

[Quasievil]

Before this thread runs to another four pages, does anybody actually disagree with the proposition that Mr Minto is a twat?

No, I think we should have more protests during tennis, then it might be worth watching.

Other than that, I think anyone who has the balls to stand up in thiere own any topic thats important should be commended irrespective if they are right or wrong, people that stand up and YELL about there beliefs should be encouraged. For example...the truckies, right or wrong they had the guts to protest.
Im unclear about the Gazza situation, but Im interested and this thread will likely make me google a bit about it later........so he did good didnt he:Punk:

[Patrick]

Religion-the root of all wars.

Think it was that f.ckwit Mair in Wanganui,funny thing was/is Mair was in the navy,my ex had a cousin in the same squad as this f.ckwit.He was all for maori soveriegnety etc,but when they had a rugby game of kiwis(europeans)vs rest i.e natives of any ethnic group,Mair played for the euros.

Thats because Kenneth MAIR is a Scottish name.... MOre Scottish in him than Maori, but there is no money in Scottish. Scotch, however, is another thing....


Micro lens view???.....a holistic view seems more appropriate! both sides need sending to the naughty corner!
And yeah Mark Minto [as scummy so eloquently put it] is a total fucken twat-hope the coppers gave him the bash.

Bring back the Minto Bar....:jerry::jerry::jerry:


You should have added "... at making himself look like the complete idiot that he is".

Professional protestors:
1. John Minto.
2. Sue Badford.

"Professional???"

Rent a Mob more like it....


Why not? you seem to have been easily drawn by the Israeli spin! :rofl::Pokey:

So Hamas haven't been firing 3000 rockets per year for 7 years at Israel then????? They were only skyrockets we see on the telly???? Damn....


What's this got to do with the fact that Minto is a twat?

Nothing.... he just is a twat.


Everything, I'd say. Surely ignoring the facts and taking a stand against the people not at fault is evidence that you're a twat.

Soooo... Ignoring the fact that she is a 22 year old female tennis player with no governmental say... what does this make one?????

She is the evil one here?

Man, has she got power..... I bet Osama would like to meet her then!

[Max Preload]

Soooo... Ignoring the fact that she is a 22 year old female tennis player with no governmental say... what does this make one?????

She is the evil one here?

Man, has she got power..... I bet Osama would like to meet her then!

You either misinterpret my position or I misinterpret your post. It's Munto's ignoring of facts and drawing a protest on an innocent party that makes him a twat.

[RDJ]

Funny how he didn't let out a squeak while the elected government of Palestine was firing unguided, indiscriminate Russian & Iranian rockets into the nation of Israel for the past 7 years.

Yes, Mr Minto was as vocal about this as he has been about the genocide in Mugabe's Zimbabwe and the effectively-genocidal attitude to AIDS of the new order South African government he wanted in power.

[Max Preload]

His entire position is based on his own self-loathing. White skin bad, brown skin good.

[Swoop]

Im unclear about the Gazza situation, but Im interested and this thread will likely make me google a bit about it later...
Grossly overrated.
Pathetic ball skills.<_<

[Patrick]

You either misinterpret my position or I misinterpret your post. It's Munto's ignoring of facts and drawing a protest on an innocent party that makes him a twat.

Now, we agree.....

[Maha]

Once a Wanker always a Wanker, fuck I loathe that prick.

[scumdog]

Religion-the root of all wars.

Think it was that f.ckwit Mair in Wanganui,funny thing was/is Mair was in the navy,my ex had a cousin in the same squad as this f.ckwit.He was all for maori soveriegnety etc,but when they had a rugby game of kiwis(europeans)vs rest i.e natives of any ethnic group,Mair played for the euros.

Well being half Scots now wonder...

[JimO]

pity minto wasnt sitting on the bow of the earthrace when the nips gave them a haircut

[motor_mayhem]

That dog (Minto) has already had his day, it was about 20 years ago. I certainly don't look forward to hearing about him tarnishing NZ's reputation some more with another completely out of context protest. I hope Peer gets a lot of supporters because of it.

Regarding the issue they are protesting, there has been some much damage taken on both sides it is now hard to tell who has the moral high ground. Either way targeting a professional
INDIVIDUAL who has no say in how the country is run is beyond a joke.


I support this guy Minto whoever he is. That Israeli tennis player is not hot enough.

Now, Sharapova....ahem...we demand more of that kind.

Disagree with all of that, maybe my standards are lower

[Swoop]

But does minto know what he's protesting about?
He's a professional protester.... that's about it
Personally, I recon that HE knows the whole thing is a sham, BUT Moron Minto is using this as a way of hooking up with hot Israeli chickkies...
Who would expect that, eh!?

[cs363]

Minto is a fuckwit of the highest order and a complete protest slut.

Any protest that involves him immediately has no relevance to me.

Woe betide us if he starts protesting against the ACC, that'll fuck us for sure!

[Tink]

Thanks maha

WHY should a TENNIS PLAYER... have to pay for the politics of her country... reading the news I voted for don't involve politics with sport... but please indulge me if a bike race got nasty because of a politician erm.


I am sick of war & the reasons for it... get real your adults stop behaving like idiots (pols)... and inconsiderate ones at that to your own populations... arg.

... Maha for prime bike minister ;)

[Fatt Max]

Yes indeed Maha, the Max familiy agree with the 'He's a Fuckwit' theme. Listening to him on the 6.00pm news was fucking embarrasing to say the least......

I heard he tried to evacuate a shopping mall in Christchurch at the weekend cos someone said bed linen was on the third floor. He also assisted the IRA with their protests against the Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4, shame he missed the ones for the French terrorists, you know, the Renault 5 and Pergeot 306......

Strap him to a fucking Greenpeace boat and throw him to the whalers, the arrogant twat...!!

[ynot slow]

And where the fuck is he protesting about the murder of innocent kids,IN THIS COUNTRY,how many kids have died since this thread was started a year ago,both from white and black people in this country.

[Hitcher]

And where the fuck is he protesting about the murder of innocent kids,IN THIS COUNTRY,how many kids have died since this thread was started a year ago,both from white and black people in this country.

The death toll attributable to Stupid First Name Syndrome alone is cause for concern.

[Skyryder]

Probably come as no surpise that I have a bit of a soft spot for Minto. But on this one Minto is wrong. Apart form the political support that Minto has for the Palestinians he seems to have been influenced more by Israel's occupation of the Gaza strip than the necessity for it.

This protest comes across as bullying from a group against a lone female tennis player. That she was a member of the Israeli armed forces is no excuse.

She's winning the PR battle and Minto needs to change tactics.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

That she was a member of the Israeli armed forces is no excuse.

Skyryder

Most Isreali people of her age have been/are a member of the Israeli armed forces.

[mynameis]

Smash him aaaa 0o0o0...

[Skyryder]

Most Isreali people of her age have been/are a member of the Israeli armed forces.

Minto needs to go to someof the camping grounds. Mossard sends some of their teams over here for bonding sessions. Don't ask me how I know that..................but I do.


Skyryder

[Scouse]

Funny how he didn't let out a squeak while the elected government of Palestine was firing unguided, indiscriminate Russian & Iranian rockets into the nation of Israel for the past 7 years.


Mr. Minto appears to have been unable to find his protest pants when Hamas broke the cease fire, and started firing 3000 missiles a year at random targets in Israel.


Mr. Minto also appears to forget that Hamas could stop the fighting at anytime by merely promising to stop trying to destroy Israel.


You seem to conveniently forget that israel didn't exsist untill after ww2 when the americans took pity on the poor jews from aushwits, belsen and other places, so occupied some land in Palistine and gave it to the jews. so no wonder the Palistinians are getting a bit grumpy and lobing misiles at them, you would too if your land was taken forceably. to this day the jews play on the guit of the Europeans, and the americans let them do just what they want ("no no we can't reprimand the jews cos Hitler gave them such a hard time during ww2 so we will turn the other way and pretend they are not doing the same to the Palistinians")

[Winston001]

You seem to conveniently forget that israel didn't exsist untill after ww2 when the americans took pity on the poor jews from aushwits, belsen and other places, so occupied some land in Palistine and gave it to the jews. so no wonder the Palistinians are getting a bit grumpy and lobing misiles at them, you would too if your land was taken forceably. to this day the jews play on the guit of the Europeans, and the americans let them do just what they want ("no no we can't reprimand the jews cos Hitler gave them such a hard time during ww2 so we will turn the other way and pretend they are not doing the same to the Palistinians")


What you say is commonly believed by many including those in the media. Unfortunately it is wrong.

The Zionist movement began in the 1870s when various Jewish people decided to move to Palestine. They purchased land from the Arabs who were only too delighted to sell the worthless scrub and desert to these fools. This process continued over the next 60 years. In 1918 the Balfour Declaration recognised that Palestine was the historical homeland of the Jewish people but not much else was done to help them.

At the end of WWII Jewish refugees from Europe flooded Palestine leading to inevitable strife with Palestinian Arabs.

In 1948 after the creation by the UN of the State of Israel, five - count them - five Arab nations attacked with their stated aim of driving the Jews into the sea. When these armies attacked they told the local Arabs to leave and return after victory when they could help themselves. Didn't quite work out.

[Jantar]

You seem to conveniently forget that israel didn't exsist untill after ww2 when the americans took pity on the poor jews from aushwits, belsen and other places, so occupied some land in Palistine and gave it to the jews. so no wonder the Palistinians are getting a bit grumpy and lobing misiles at them, you would too if your land was taken forceably. to this day the jews play on the guit of the Europeans, and the americans let them do just what they want ("no no we can't reprimand the jews cos Hitler gave them such a hard time during ww2 so we will turn the other way and pretend they are not doing the same to the Palistinians")
Even if this was true, what does this have to do with a lone female tennis player who wasn't even born during WW2?

[cs363]

Even if this was true, what does this have to do with a lone female tennis player who wasn't even born during WW2?

Exactly! Nuff said.

[rachprice]

Yeah but how many times can you say he is a twat (which he is) and he is wrong for attacking one sports person??

I am actually really interested in reading all the opinions of the matter behind it.

I still think its the wrong approach to look for the 'good' guy and the 'bad' guy in this situation, two wrongs don't make a right

[phred]

Now that I agree with Maki, I started this thread with that view point, he got about 12 seconds on TV so his job is done. Maurice Williamson had a go at him outside the complex, I think its the first time have agreed with him also.

Some Middle Eastern Country's have hated each other for hundreds of years, and it will continue to be that way for years to come, we as a peaceful Nation should embrace any visitor, not protest against them.

You mean Maurice Williamson actually did something????? Finally the voters of Pakuranga get a result.

[phred]

I
I still think its the wrong approach to look for the 'good' guy and the 'bad' guy in this situation, two wrongs don't make a right

Yes but two rights made an airplane.

[Winston001]

I don't like Minto and generally don't agree with him - certainly not on this occasion.

However I do admire people who are prepared to get up in public, often taking unpopular stances (as with South African rugby tours) and have the courage to speak out. We need people like this. Without protesters change in our society and the free exchange of ideas would be very slow. So disagree with John Minto by all means but let's at least respect his right to protest - much as it sticks in my throat to say that. :D

[Skyryder]

I don't like Minto and generally don't agree with him - certainly not on this occasion.

However I do admire people who are prepared to get up in public, often taking unpopular stances (as with South African rugby tours) and have the courage to speak out. We need people like this. Without protesters change in our society and the free exchange of ideas would be very slow. So disagree with John Minto by all means but let's at least respect his right to protest - much as it sticks in my throat to say that. :D

This post comes as close as it gets to my own philosophy of tolerating differing opinions regardless if I believe in them or not.

Much of what we value today has come about by individuals being prepared to stand up and be counted. Sometimes at great cost to themselves and their families. The 40 hour working week was at one time considered a radical view and was first bought in for the benefit of those who belonged to carpenters Union. So too was the vote for woman and those that took to the streets suffered much the same hostility then as those that advocate a position outside of society’s norm today'

Radicals, extremists, call them what you will, move society in a direction that without their input would remain static. Not all radical ideas take root in the grass roots of society. In most cases a modification of the original idea becomes more acceptable for public opinion.


Those ideas that do take hold become the groundswell of public opinion that may or may not be taken up by the political parties of the day. Ideas are either accepted or rejected or modified over a period of time.

Minto, Bradford, Davies, Hart, hell even Douglas and Prebble promote ideas that society debates for the good or ill of its welfare. We don’t have to believe in them but without the import of radical ideas and their beliefs society would be poorer for it.

Skyryde

[davereid]

You seem to conveniently forget that israel didn't exsist untill after ww2 when the americans took pity on the poor jews from aushwits, belsen and other places, so occupied some land in Palistine and gave it to the jews. so no wonder the Palistinians are getting a bit grumpy and lobing misiles at them, you would too if your land was taken forceably. to this day the jews play on the guit of the Europeans, and the americans let them do just what they want ("no no we can't reprimand the jews cos Hitler gave them such a hard time during ww2 so we will turn the other way and pretend they are not doing the same to the Palistinians")

Thats because thats not how it happened. Not even close.
It wasn't someone elses land.
Until WW1 it was part of the Ottoman empire.
You know, the lot that make the uncomfortable sofas, rugs that curl at the ends, and dodgy takeaways.

The arabs and the the jews BOTH lived there in complete disharmony. When WW1 arrived, both the arabs and the jews saw a prospect for liberation, and sided with the west.

Who in spite of our best efforts at Gallipoli triumphed.

So at the end of WW1 the brits were the last man standing, and were left holding two very ugly and grumpy babies.

10 years later, arabs started openly butchering jews in Hebron, and over the next 15 years (delayed only by WW2) the brits started separating the two tribes.

At the end of WW2 the brits had had enough, and had run out of money anyway, so invited the UN to sort it out.

The UN did nothing - it DIDNT create Israel, it just pissed around, leaving the area partitioned.

In 1948 the brits sold the remainder of their war machinery, spitfires, etc to arab states outside of the partitioned area, and booked a ship home. It would appear the idea was to let them sort it out among themselves, and as the jews were not in possession of spitfires or tanks, the outcome seemed sorted.

The Jews then proclaimed Israel, the day before the brits left.

The predicted war came, and to everyones surprise the jews won.

Then who kept the war going ? The arabs did.

1948 Israel formed.
1948 Invaded by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq - who lost.
The Arabs were well armed. The Brits had sold them spitfires, and the balance of the British war equipment used in the middle east.

They didnt sell anything to Israel.

In fact the US and the Brits embargoed aircraft and war equipment sales to Israel. Hardly sounds like "support".

1949-1950 Jordan annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip.
Israel still embargoed by US and Brits.

1950-1956 continuous war with Egyptian fedayeen from Gaza strip
Israel still embargoed by US and Brits.

1948-1952 In Libya, Jews were deprived citizenship, and in Iraq, their property was seized.
Israel still embargoed by US and Brits.

1956, Egypt, in an act of war, closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, in contravention of the Constantinople Convention. Israel responded on October 29, 1956, by invading the Sinai Peninsula with British and French support. During the Suez Canal Crisis, Israel captured the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula.

Yep, before this event, and after, the US and Britisn stopped arms sales to Israel.

1967, Egypt deployed 100,000 soldiers in the Sinai Peninsula. It again closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, returning the region to the way it was in 1956 when Israel was blockaded.

1967, Arab leaders met in Khartoum in response to the war, to discuss the Arab position toward Israel. They reached consensus that there should be:
No recognition of the State of Israel.
No peace with Israel.
No negotiations with Israel.


1967, Jordan entered into the mutual defense pact between Egypt and Syria intending to destroy Israel. The Israeli Air Force (IAF) destroyed most of the surprised Egyptian Air Force, then turned east to pulverize the Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi air forces. At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

Israel still couldnt reliably buy US or British equipment. And the French, who had been paid for Mirage jets and patrol boats kept the money, but never delivered the kit. Hardly sounds like support

1969, Egypt initiated the War of Attrition, with the goal of exhausting Israel into surrendering the Sinai Peninsula.

1973, Syria and Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, initially overwhelming the surprised Israeli military.
When Israel had turned the tide of war The United States,secured a ceasefire on October 25

Only one side can stop this conflict, its the arabs.

But Islam is a religion of peace. Cat Stevens said so.

[Skyryder]

Yes but two rights made an airplane.

Wright........ Aye they did good sir.


Skyryder

[peasea]

Only one side can stop this conflict, its the arabs.

But Islam is a religion of peace. Cat Stevens said so.

No point in quoting your whole post (which was a ripper by the way) but I have to agree with you.

[cs363]

No point in quoting your whole post (which was a ripper by the way) but I have to agree with you.

I'll second that! Pass the jug please :drinkup:

[peasea]

I'll second that! Pass the jug please :drinkup:

Sure, here you go............

[Scouse]

I don't like Minto and generally don't agree with him - certainly not on this occasion.

However I do admire people who are prepared to get up in public, often taking unpopular stances (as with South African rugby tours) and have the courage to speak out. We need people like this. Without protesters change in our society and the free exchange of ideas would be very slow. So disagree with John Minto by all means but let's at least respect his right to protest - much as it sticks in my throat to say that. :DExactly the 1981 protests against the springbok tour probably did more to efect chainge in south africa than most realise, so like it or not Minto has probably had a positive effect on improving race relations during our lifetimes he probablly shoud be nominated for a Nobel peace prize, but alas unless you have the profile of Barak Obama it just wont happen. I also personaly do not like Minto but acknolage that he has influenced how a generation think about race relations.

[Brian d marge]

Well I was on the Lancaster park one ( on tv at the time!) , and even then I realized that banning a Rugby match in NZ would make SFA of difference , I was Just there for the Biff! ,

NO Maggie Thatcher and no Government OI OI

Then I grew Up and got learned , and started Hectoring You lot to get of your comfortable arses and fight for , well Godzone , to put it bluntly !

The Minties of the world , are the instigators , but the real changes comes from a movement of people ... as in PLURAL

Stephen

[Lias]

Exactly the 1981 protests against the springbok tour probably did more to efect chainge in south africa than most realise, so like it or not Minto has probably had a positive effect on improving race relations during our lifetimes he probablly shoud be nominated for a Nobel peace prize, but alas unless you have the profile of Barak Obama it just wont happen. I also personaly do not like Minto but acknolage that he has influenced how a generation think about race relations.

You have got to be fucking kidding.. Minto should be put in (whatever replaced Lake Alice) & left to rot... hes a certified raving madman.

[quickbuck]

You have got to be fucking kidding.. Minto should be put in (whatever replaced Lake Alice) & left to rot... hes a certified raving madman.

Ummm, stuff it, put him in Lake Alice... Still has a Water Tower... Not a lot else...

[scumdog]

Exactly the 1981 protests against the springbok tour probably did more to efect chainge in south africa than most realise,

Sure it S.A. did change (Minto probably had bugger all to do with it) BUT it has not exactly been a glowing testimony to harmonious inter tribal/racial relations and economic developement since then though, has it?

[oldrider]

I don't like Minto and generally don't agree with him - certainly not on this occasion.

However I do admire people who are prepared to get up in public, often taking unpopular stances (as with South African rugby tours) and have the courage to speak out. We need people like this. Without protesters change in our society and the free exchange of ideas would be very slow. So disagree with John Minto by all means but let's at least respect his right to protest - much as it sticks in my throat to say that. :D

The problem is Minto has just made a career out of protesting dumb issues, I do not respect that at all!

The adage: Fool's names and fool's faces, always seen in public places! Springs to mind with Minto! :blank: :tugger:

[Skyryder]

The problem is Minto has just made a career out of protesting dumb issues, I do not respect that at all!

The adage: Fool's names and fool's faces, always seen in public places! Springs to mind with Minto! :blank: :tugger:

From one 'fly' in defence of another fly I seem to recall you respecting our right to be a fly.: dodge:

What one person considers dumb another may not. Respect is not based on opinion alone but how an individual acts on their opinion. Most of us have little time for hyprocytes as they do not act in a manner that they believe. Rodney Hide would be a classic example of this. Politics aside of the two who has the most respect on the basis of how they act to their own beliefs?

I respect people on how they act not necessarily in what they believe. Respect is different from agreement and most of us have difficulty in telling the two apart.

Minto acts on what he believes. Whether we agree with him or not or for that matter anyone else, is not the issue.

It is no mean feat to protest on issues that most of us have little concern about. Pretty easy to out there with the numbers but with little support...............not many of us go that far.

One day I'll tell you about the time I nearly picketed the Trade Union Centre. I backed off for reasons I'm not going into here. Last time we met I told you half the story. I’ll tell you the other half next time we meet.

It takes some guts to stand up in public O R..............and commitment to the cause that you believe in. I do not agree with Minto's cause on this. However he does act on what he believes in. I give the man credit for that. See my post #82.

[Pixie]

Before this thread runs to another four pages, does anybody actually disagree with the proposition that Mr Minto is a twat?

Define Twat

[Skyryder]

Sure it S.A. did change (Minto probably had bugger all to do with it) BUT it has not exactly been a glowing testimony to harmonious inter tribal/racial relations and economic developement since then though, has it?

There was another guy before Minto. Trevor Richards. He took a lot flak in the early days and departed about the time that HART was begining to get some public traction. Minto had the orgainsation skills to to take the issue a step further but without Richards I don't think HART would have got off the ground.

The SA Government wanted to Give Minto some medal for his support. Minto turned it down on the grounds that the Govt had sold out. He has been known to organise protests against the the SA Govt from Soweto. That takes balls. Now the SA gonerment claim they never offered Minto any recognition for his services.

Go figure.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Define Twat

Well if it aint tawt, it anit no good.

Skyryder

[cs363]

Define Twat


http://img2.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0803/1a833c21a98393a5acb8.jpeg

10 chars etc

[scumdog]

Define Twat

Does anybody know what he actually DOES to create an income?:scratch:

What with impending fines and court costs he has to have one, right?

[cs363]

Does anybody know what he actually DOES to create an income?:scratch:

What with impending fines and court costs he has to have one, right?

Well apparently he writes a weekly column for the Christchurch Press if Wikipedia is to be believed, and I think he used to write one in the Harold as well. That's about the only reference to a normal job I can find.
I have a hazy recollection that perhaps he was a teacher in a former life? Can anyone throw any light on this?

[Skyryder]

Well apparently he writes a weekly column for the Christchurch Press if Wikipedia is to be believed, and I think he used to write one in the Harold as well. That's about the only reference to a normal job I can find.
I have a hazy recollection that perhaps he was a teacher in a former life? Can anyone throw any light on this?

He's a Union rep. Not too sure which one.


Skyryder

[James Deuce]

He's a teacher.

[Insanity_rules]

I thought he was a rectum stretcher.

[Ronin]

He's a Union rep. Not too sure which one.


Skyryder

So he has no real real job then? :bleh:

[Kickaha]

Political activist John Minto said New Zealand's most decorated living soldier Willie Apiata was "no hero" compared to three peace activists who attacked Marlborough's Waihopai spy base.

"The real heroes of Afghanistan are the three Kiwis who popped the dome two years ago," he said speaking at a protest today (Jan 23) outside the spy base, where up to 40 banner-waving demonstrators shouted "close Waihopai down".

Mr Minto said that Corporal Apiata, who won the Victoria Cross in Afghanistan for rescuing a wounded comrade under enemy fire, "was no hero compared to Sam, Adrian and Peter".

Sam Land, Adrian Leason and Peter Murane from the Anzac Plougshares group will stand trial in Wellington on March 8 accused of causing $1 million worth of damage to the Waihopai base in April 2008.

Mr Minto, who himself is due in court on February 7 after being arrested for protesting against an Israeli tennis player at the ASB classic in Auckland earlier this month, said: "They are real heroes because what they did goes against the mainstream of New Zealand public opinion and was a truly brave, inspiring and courageous action.

"Unfortunately Apiata is involved in a very dirty war on behalf of America and the people of Afghanistan don't want him there.

"I don't see him as a hero because people have to take personal responsibility for their actions and I am not sure he realises the real reason why he is there in Afghanistan."

[JimO]

perhaps minto would care to say that to apiata in person

[Swoop]

Willie Apiata was "no hero" compared to three peace activists who attacked Marlborough's Waihopai spy base.

Mr Minto said that Corporal Apiata, who won the Victoria Cross in Afghanistan for rescuing a wounded comrade under enemy fire, "was no hero compared to Sam, Adrian and Peter".
THAT is comedy GOLD!

Minto. What a fuckwit!!:rofl:




I think I weed a little...

[Skyryder]

Just finished watching the Doha debate. http://www.thedohadebates.com/

I've said before I'm not in agreement with Minto on this..................but some are. The motion was carried by a small margin.

Still to compare a rescue under fire with a break in to a military base suggests to me Minto is way off base with this one............if you excuse the pun



Skyyrder

[Blackflagged]

FOX News with a Laugh Track. The "fair and balanced" network makes a helluva lot more s.....

[ukusa]

Minto. What a fuckwit!!:rofl:




I think I weed a little...

I couldn't have said it better myself!

[Maha]

He has out-fucked himself yet again...
:mega:''We have a warrant for the arrest of one Tony Blair''!

Who issued the warrant ...:corn:

[fuknKIWI]

Israel still couldnt reliably buy US or British equipment. And the French, who had been paid for Mirage jets and patrol boats kept the money, but never delivered the kit. Hardly sounds like support

That didn't stop them taking delivery of the boats though:yes:
Oh & apparently Minto is a twat.

[oldrider]

"Fool's names and fool's face's always seen in public places". (Grandma..1963)

If he is not breaking the law (questionable IMHO) he is just enjoying the freedom of expression that we all (I hope) treasure in NZ!

If I want my freedom, unfortunately, I have to respect his! :facepalm:

[Indiana_Jones]

I don't get it, wtf is an 'activist'?

Like do you get paid to be a royal cunt face with cheese or do they just do it because they love the attention?

-Indy

[admenk]

I like the way the reward for Blair's arrest was only about $4500 - I'd run him over for free :angry:

[Waxxa]

tony blair is a war criminal though alongside his buddy george w. bush.

10 odd years in Iraq and still no evidence of their justification of going in! disgusting!

and how many civilians have died!

[short-circuit]

tony blair is a war criminal though alongside his buddy george w. bush.

10 odd years in Iraq and still no evidence of their justification of going in! disgusting!

and how many civilians have died!

+1

....AND Minto is the man.

[Winston001]

"Fool's names and fool's face's always seen in public places". (Grandma..1963)

If he is not breaking the law (questionable IMHO) he is just enjoying the freedom of expression that we all (I hope) treasure in NZ!

If I want my freedom, unfortunately, I have to respect his! :facepalm:

Yep. He's a sour whinger but he's entitled to his opinion.

[Indiana_Jones]

Yep. He's a sour whinger but he's entitled to his opinion.

+1

He is entitled to his free speech :)

-Indy

[Maha]

"Fool's names and fool's face's always seen in public places". (Grandma..1963)

If he is not breaking the law (questionable IMHO) he is just enjoying the freedom of expression that we all (I hope) treasure in NZ!

If I want my freedom, unfortunately, I have to respect his! :facepalm:


I don't get it, wtf is an 'activist'?

Like do you get paid to be a royal cunt face with cheese or do they just do it because they love the attention?

-Indy


I like the way the reward for Blair's arrest was only about $4500 - I'd run him over for free :angry:


tony blair is a war criminal though alongside his buddy george w. bush.

10 odd years in Iraq and still no evidence of their justification of going in! disgusting!

and how many civilians have died!


+1

....AND Minto is the man.


Yep. He's a sour whinger but he's entitled to his opinion.


+1

He is entitled to his free speech :)

-Indy

Yeah yeah freedom schpeedom ....but,
Can any of you answer my original question of 'who issued said warrant of arrest' that he had in his hand?

[Indiana_Jones]

Yeah yeah freedom schpeedom ....but,
Can any of you answer my original question of 'who issued said warrant of arrest' that he had in his hand?

No one.

But I'm not down with citizen arrest laws?

If I saw someone commit a crime on the spot, can I arrest them or do I have to wait for a warrent to be issued?

As far as Blair is concerned I don't care less.

Bring back Thatcher.

-Indy

[admenk]

Can any of you answer my original question of 'who issued said warrant of arrest' that he had in his hand?

I did - I am the master of the universe

[Taz]

I did - I am the master of the universe

Excellent! - I have travelled far and seached exhaustively for you. I have just one question.
























































Do you have the secret to understanding women?

[240]

tony blair is a war criminal though alongside his buddy george w. bush.

10 odd years in Iraq and still no evidence of their justification of going in! disgusting!

and how many civilians have died!
???????????????????

[scumdog]

I did - I am the master of the universe

Yeah?

what fuckin' universe is that?

Don't get in my way sunshine...

[Berries]

Bring back Thatcher.

Fuck

right

off

[Maha]

No one.

But I'm not down with citizen arrest laws?

If I saw someone commit a crime on the spot, can I arrest them or do I have to wait for a warrent to be issued?

As far as Blair is concerned I don't care less.

Bring back Thatcher.

-Indy

..he didn't even attempt a citizen arrest, one need a decent set of nads for that (come to think of it, I have never heard of a citizens arrest being applied...ever)..he was waving a bit of paper around Indy, did you not see the item?

I think at best, he was (as per usual) just there making noise, which is fine, laughable, but fine.

[Indiana_Jones]

..he didn't even attempt a citizen arrest, one need a decent set of nads for that (come to think of it, I have never heard of a citizens arrest being applied...ever)..he was waving a bit of paper around Indy, did you not see the item?

I think at best, he was (as per usual) just there making noise, which is fine, laughable, but fine.

Agreed. Like I said, a toss pot who just wants some attention :)

-Indy

[admenk]

Excellent! - I have travelled far and seached exhaustively for you. I have just one question.

Do you have the secret to understanding women?

I'm only Master of the Universe, not the Supreme Being


Yeah?

what fuckin' universe is that?

Don't get in my way sunshine...

By the power of Greyskull, I'll take you all on :yes: