Junior Post Classic

[rachprice]

Hey just wondering what the junior post classic class in racing is like?
Are there many people?
Is it very competitive?

[Clivoris]

It's awesome but we don't need anymore chicks in the class making life difficult for the chaps. Can't have you ganging up on us:sweatdrop

It really is a great class and you should give it a lunge. The fields are good sizes, and relatively even until Scracha gets out there on his new secret weapon. There is lots of good natured competition too.

[rachprice]

Oh cool....sounds awesome!
Its a long way away yet, just thinking at the moment...

[Duke girl]

Dont listen to Clivoris he dont know what he's talking about as the Post Classic Junior class could do with alot more talented female riders in it to give those dam men a good run for their money. Its a fun class full of all types of machines and riders and a class I am sure you would enjoy racing in.

[roadracingoldfart]

The fields are good sizes, and relatively even until Scracha gets out there on his new secret weapon. .

After trying it last Sat i can confirm its a fast little muvva as well. :chase:
If only i can weld the frame crack , get the hinge out of the middle , sort the suspenders out a bit, and get a talented rider like Scracha to ride it then its going to be at least a top 3 if not the top step.:eek:

[dangerous]

By jr thats under 600cc aye?
and when you say post classic ya talking about pre 89er's yeah?

I race JR pre 82, and its awesom fun Im in the top 3 in the south Is, however like I found at Taupo last month... theres a lot more compition and the tracks aint as good :confused:

What ya looking at racing, the RG I asume? If so it will be tougher than pre 82, we dont have pre89 down here. At the end of the day go for it and enjoy, find others that race at your skill and pick em off one by one. :niceone:

[ajturbo]

my turbo is tooo big.. it's a 650... bugger

[dangerous]

my turbo is tooo big.. it's a 650... bugger

ok... Ill put the 650 turbie I got (suzuki) up against the 650 turbie you have (yamaha) in PC seniors... bet ya I kick your sorry arse BIG time you slack paint sniffing blondie :woohoo::scooter::wari:

[Duke girl]

You bragging again AJ?.

[roadracingoldfart]

You bragging again AJ?.

Aint that just a pain Skippy lol.

[Clivoris]

you slack paint sniffing blondie :woohoo::scooter::wari::Pokey::laugh::killingme

[Pussy]

Oh cool....sounds awesome!
Its a long way away yet, just thinking at the moment...

Get stuck into it, Rach!

[ajturbo]

:Pokey::laugh::killingme


Aint that just a pain Skippy lol.


You bragging again AJ?.


ok... Ill put the 650 turbie I got (suzuki) up against the 650 turbie you have (yamaha) in PC seniors... bet ya I kick your sorry arse BIG time you slack paint sniffing blondie :woohoo::scooter::wari:


keep to the subject people:spanking::spanking::bleh:

your turbo would blow mine away...( hahahahah) but as the rider sucks at racing.... the duke girl would even beat me...:chase:

[Duke girl]

That Duke Girl would so beat you she would beat you up, so put that in your pipe and smoke it Sunny.:Playnice::beer:

[ajturbo]

That Duke Girl would so beat you she would beat you up, so put that in your pipe and smoke it Sunny.:Playnice::beer:
but ONLY if we can understand what the hell she's talking about:shake::nya:

[Clivoris]

but ONLY if we can understand what the hell she's talking about:shake::nya:

Russel said it's even worse when her mouth's full:lol:

[piston broke]

so,is junior,under 600?

[rachprice]

yeah under 600cc
and yeah post classic pre '89
hmmm im not really that talented just seems like it would be a lot of fun

[dangerous]

yeah under 600cc
and yeah post classic pre '89
hmmm im not really that talented just seems like it would be a lot of fun

AHHHHH... no telent huh, ok bucket racing is what ya want then, cheap, fun, and will teach ya heaps of telent. Hook up with the Welly team, Im sure they can find ya a bike to ride.

Pre89 up north, well this is were it gets tricky for me as Im not fimiler with the goings on, but if anything like down here there will be the top 5 serious guys... behind them there will be the rest of the feild doing what you want, sharpening skills and having FUN. :scooter:

[roadracingoldfart]

AHHHHH... no telent huh, ok bucket racing is what ya want then, cheap, fun, and will teach ya heaps of telent. Hook up with the Welly team, Im sure they can find ya a bike to ride.

Pre89 up north, well this is were it gets tricky for me as Im not fimiler with the goings on, but if anything like down here there will be the top 5 serious guys... behind them there will be the rest of the feild doing what you want, sharpening skills and having FUN. :scooter:

Racing is serious but its still allowed to be and still is fun. The pre 89 class has grown amazingly in the last few years and the amount of older 400s now flooding the grids has made the numbers up . A few more senior bikes are coming through now also but the 2 classes run in the same races with seperate points per class. A small well riden 400 will keep in good stead with a senior bike at some tracks where power is not the answer.
An RGV 250 will do well in the junior class .
To sum up the classes , Junior = up to 600cc and senior is 601cc to open.
Pre 1989 , Pre 1982 , Pre 1972 .
Give it a go Rachprice.... you will love it.

Paul.

[Nicksta]

Hey just wondering what the junior post classic class in racing is like?
Are there many people?
Is it very competitive?
it is fun... and as a chick racing the class, i love it... its friendly competition and more of us chicks should be out there taking it to the boys!!! its getting very popular thanks to the 400 invasion into F3 adn cross entering into postys :)

After trying it last Sat i can confirm its a fast little muvva as well. :chase:
If only i can weld the frame crack , get the hinge out of the middle , sort the suspenders out a bit, and get a talented rider like Scracha to ride it then its going to be at least a top 3 if not the top step.:eek:
Where's my special additions to keep up with Scracha Paul??? ;) lol

[roadracingoldfart]

it is fun... and as a chick racing the class, i love it... its friendly competition and more of us chicks should be out there taking it to the boys!!!
Where's my special additions to keep up with Scracha Paul??? ;) lol

Ummmmm , coming i hope

[jrandom]

Pre 1989 , Pre 1982 , Pre 1972 .

When are those years likely to be updated?

[roadracingoldfart]

When are those years likely to be updated?

I update with memory every time i re-live those days man :(.... dosnt everybody.???? :dodge:

[Nicksta]

Ummmmm , coming i hope
yay!!! got to catch these boys somehow ay!

[scracha]

Hey just wondering what the junior post classic class in racing is like?
Are there many people?
Is it very competitive?

It's the best class if you ask me but I'm biased. Relatively cheap. Not too many crashes Very full grids. Very very very competitive....much more close racing than the boring F1 and F2 for all skill levels. With all the different bikes (600's, 400's, weird singles and shite old 2 strokes :shifty:) you're almost guaranteed to spend a race dicing with other bikes.

Oh, and ladies have to wear skin tight leathers....it's a safety issue.

If you want to go fast on the RGV then pm drew as he's uber fast on his.

[rachprice]

It's the best class if you ask me but I'm biased. Relatively cheap. Not too many crashes Very full grids. Very very very competitive....much more close racing than the boring F1 and F2 for all skill levels. With all the different bikes (600's, 400's, weird singles and shite old 2 strokes :shifty:) you're almost guaranteed to spend a race dicing with other bikes.

Oh, and ladies have to wear skin tight leathers....it's a safety issue.

If you want to go fast on the RGV then pm drew as he's uber fast on his.

Shite eh?

hahaha skin tight....

mmm like i say its just an idea I think I have a wee way to go, get my skils up first but thanks for all the replies, it has helped a lot!

[CHET]

posties is great fun with a grid full of friendly people who are pretty fast on the track any new addition would be welcomed by all on the grid,on a seperate note im keen to see what this secret weapon is of scrachas ie should we all be very worried

[Clivoris]

Oh, and ladies have to wear skin tight leathers....it's a safety issue.

If you want to go fast on the RGV then pm drew as he's uber fast on his.

:lol::lol::lol:
Definitely safety related.

[scracha]

but ONLY if we can understand what the hell she's talking about

Has she got a funny accent or summit?



Where's my special additions to keep up with Scracha Paul??? ;) lol

Any girl shows me their tits and I'll let them beat me. You can't say I'm not fair *



im keen to see what this secret weapon is of scrachas ie should we all be very worried

Had to do summit to keep up with them pesky ZXR's and VFR's. My spectacular level of unfittedness and extra Christmas kilo's should even things out. I'm keen to see the new beastie too Chet.


* Clive, I'm bored of your moobs so I'll try and beat you next race.

[rustys]

Russel said it's even worse when her mouth's full:lol:
Of What ?
Dont you bugger's bring me into this !

[Clivoris]

Dont you bugger's bring me into this !

Steady on Russ. What's this about buggery? Back on topic. Is this the secret to true high performance in post classic junior? I'll have to give it some thought first mate.

[Duke girl]

Whys that Rusty you lost for words?.

[roadracingoldfart]

yay!!! got to catch these boys somehow ay!

Just keep praying to your rain gods Nicki , youll be sweet with a proper winter series. :msn-wink:

[roadracingoldfart]

Of What ?
Dont you bugger's bring me into this !

You bloody pervert ......... get out of our thread when we are talking about you , you will be invited to comment if we are stuck for content . OK :bash:

[roadracingoldfart]

on a seperate note im keen to see what this secret weapon is of scrachas ie should we all be very worried


Very very worried , im building it so everyone should be worried , especially the rider :shit::yes:

[Kickaha]

When are those years likely to be updated?

Why would they need to be, each age division gives a good spread of bikes from that era

personally, pre89 is a bit modern for me

[Nicksta]

Just keep praying to your rain gods Nicki , youll be sweet with a proper winter series. :msn-wink:
mmm...cant rely on rain to do well....

Very very worried , im building it so everyone should be worried , especially the rider :shit::yes:
lol... but its a good learning curve for future projects ay ;)

[dangerous]

When are those years likely to be updated? how do you mean?


Why would they need to be, each age division gives a good spread of bikes from that era
personally, pre89 is a bit modern for me I agree... the age divisions are well worked out, withen a year of those dates big changes happened.

[jrandom]

how do you mean?

Brought forward, ie, becoming 'pre 92' and 'pre 84' etc.

[Nicksta]

Any girl shows me their tits and I'll let them beat me. You can't say I'm not fair *

Had to do summit to keep up with them pesky ZXR's and VFR's. My spectacular level of unfittedness and extra Christmas kilo's should even things out. I'm keen to see the new beastie too Chet.

dude..... can we get that in writing???
are you fatty again?? silly billy... i'm almost race fit already for VMCC!

[scracha]

dude..... can we get that in writing???
What, me being a fat bastard or you getting yer tits out if I let ya beat me?

[dangerous]

Brought forward, ie, becoming 'pre 92' and 'pre 84' etc.

na man... reckon its good as it is aye.
Ya see between 82 and 84 tecknolagy leaped ahead with power valves and mono shock, high reving DOHC's etc... very hard for a old CB four or airhead stroker to keep up.

Same goes with ya 89-94, we hade 5 valve heads, alloy frames, 17" wheels etc introduced, so I reckon the next steep will be pre 97.

I personality race pre82 cos its the era of bike I grew up with, as a teen I remember these bikes new in the shop, they are a effort to ride fast... they are a mission.


*examples just that, no reserch done... but you get my drift.

[roadracingoldfart]

na man... reckon its good as it is aye.
Ya see between 82 and 84 tecknolagy leaped ahead with power valves and mono shock, high reving DOHC's etc... very hard for a old CB four or airhead stroker to keep up.

Same goes with ya 89-94, we hade 5 valve heads, alloy frames, 17" wheels etc introduced, so I reckon the next steep will be pre 97.

I personality race pre82 cos its the era of bike I grew up with, as a teen I remember these bikes new in the shop, they are a effort to ride fast... they are a mission.

Bikes had what you say well before you remember.

CBR400rr 1988 , 17 inch front wheel , twin spar alloy frame , good brakes and a million rpm limit, mono shock.
CBR600r 1987 , 17 inch both ends , revvy engine , mono shock.
FZ 750 r 1985 , 5 valve engine , real revvy engine , etc.
GSXR 750 , 1985 , oil cooled , massive H/P , no weight, good handling etc.

The list goes on covering 2 and 4 strokes alike. But i know what you are meaning and i too have wondered when the next "post Classic "date will be determined to allow it in to the class.
The saving grace is the yearly cut off is normally raced as a seperate class even if its in a blankett race covering all the ages. Any age class is going to be a pick of whatever was fast in the day and will only be competing against like aged machines.
I think you have hit the nail on the head as to why you race the era bike you do , its like myself and many others that used to go into a hypnotic trance when we saw a bike that got out jollies going. For me it was a CB 400/4 which came out in 1974, and it took till 1981 till i could afford a second hand one. It was something i had to have and i did my first race on it in 1982 and used it as a road bike untill 1994 after covering over 350,000kms and several engines lol.
The icing on the cake is the amount of young racers coming out on older pre 89 bikes and really loving the close even racing they get. Long may it last i say.

Cheers Paul.

[dangerous]

The list goes on covering 2 and 4 strokes alike.

yeah yeah yeah... didnt expect to be interagated, I posted of the top of my head, I was trying to generlise and make a point, sorry next time ill do the reserch before posting.

[SHELRACING]

I'm pretty sure that the Pre 82 - 89 classes are different in the NI anyway could be different again in the SI

Pre 82 Junior up to 600cc and senior 601 to open

Pre 89 Junior is up to 500cc and Senior is 501cc to open

Because the Pre 89 class is so new it's hard to find it documented anywhere. But i have seen it in writing. Just can't remember where




Racing is serious but its still allowed to be and still is fun. The pre 89 class has grown amazingly in the last few years and the amount of older 400s now flooding the grids has made the numbers up . A few more senior bikes are coming through now also but the 2 classes run in the same races with seperate points per class. A small well riden 400 will keep in good stead with a senior bike at some tracks where power is not the answer.
An RGV 250 will do well in the junior class .
To sum up the classes , Junior = up to 600cc and senior is 601cc to open.
Pre 1989 , Pre 1982 , Pre 1972 .
Give it a go Rachprice.... you will love it.

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

I'm pretty sure that the Pre 82 - 89 classes are different in the NI anyway could be different again in the SI

Pre 82 Junior up to 600cc and senior 601 to open

Pre 89 Junior is up to 500cc and Senior is 501cc to open

Because the Pre 89 class is so new it's hard to find it documented anywhere. But i have seen it in writing. Just can't remember where


To my knowlege there is no real rules set out for pre 89 , its not a class governed by MNZ as such and the post classic register does not recognise it as a class under their governance.
Sad really as the class is heaps bigger than most people give it credit for and alot of the F3 bikes and such are eligable to race in it.

Chrees Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

yeah yeah yeah... didnt expect to be interagated, I posted of the top of my head, I was trying to generlise and make a point, sorry next time ill do the reserch before posting.

Ohh not at all matey . Sorry if i offended you :(
I love to talk about the future of the class and have to admit it is very close to my heart (im old ) . Its an awsome class and it can only grow .
The fact it is sure to be expanded at some time is definatly worthy of discussion . Expansion means the status quo now has indeed got a future .

If you are active in the class now then keep the ball rolling man :clap:

Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

What, me being a fat bastard or you getting yer tits out if I let ya beat me?

Too late ................................................. your fat , accept it.<_<:shifty:

Now try calling me fat !!!! :2guns:

[dangerous]

Ohh not at all matey . Sorry if i offended you :(

ohhh, sorry hehe yeah my reply does come over a bit heated, wasnt ment to, infact I was expecting Kickaha to jump in and correct me :2thumbsup

[Billy]

To my knowlege there is no real rules set out for pre 89 , its not a class governed by MNZ as such and the post classic register does not recognise it as a class under their governance.
Sad really as the class is heaps bigger than most people give it credit for and alot of the F3 bikes and such are eligable to race in it.

Chrees Paul.

Pre 89 rules are out and on the MNZ website

[Billy]

I'm pretty sure that the Pre 82 - 89 classes are different in the NI anyway could be different again in the SI

Pre 82 Junior up to 600cc and senior 601 to open

Pre 89 Junior is up to 500cc and Senior is 501cc to open

Because the Pre 89 class is so new it's hard to find it documented anywhere. But i have seen it in writing. Just can't remember where

Pre 89 junior is the same as pre 82.There was a copy circulating stating up to 500 for pre 89 but it was a misprint

[roadracingoldfart]

Pre 89 rules are out and on the MNZ website

And if you ask MNZ for a ruling they give you a contact for Classic Roadracing Register, they say , why ask us . Go figure.

[scracha]

are meaning and i too have wondered when the next "post Classic "date will be determined to allow it in to the class.

Should be a rolling "10 year and over" and "20 years and over" or summit like wot they do in other countries. Keeps the racing far more interesting as new bikes are introduced to the class every year. Think of all the different early 90's shite factory paint colour schemes* we could sacrafice to the kitty litter gods every year.




bike you do , its like myself and many others that used to go into a hypnotic trance when we saw a bike that got out jollies going. For me it was a CB 400/4 which came out in 1974, and it took till 1981 till i could

Yammy Genesis 1000 still give me a chubby. I had a picture of one on my bedroom wall when I was a lad. Only pooftas liked ZXR's, GSXR's and fireblades. I'd race one if I could afford it's appetite for tyres and brake disks (didn't say I'd race one well)


*Yamaha "cocktail pink" anyone?

[sugilite]

Just wondering...Is the reason the South Island is so light in pre89 race bikes because late model machines like that have not been imported there yet? :laugh: :Pokey: :chase:

[Nicksta]

Just wondering...Is the reason the South Island is so light in pre89 race bikes because late model machines like that have not been imported there yet? :laugh: :Pokey: :chase:

ROFL.....
they have, i've seen some come up to race :)

[dangerous]

Just wondering...Is the reason the South Island is so light in pre89 race bikes because late model machines like that have not been imported there yet? :laugh: :Pokey: :chase:

haha.. na mate, Id say most are still being ridden.
we proberly dont cover the same milage as a gen down here you know weather n all and only one road :scooter: But more importantly we look after our bikes and we dont stack em up like North Is counter parts are so fond off hehe... this all means less bikes fit for the track :wari:

[malcy25]

To my knowlege there is no real rules set out for pre 89 , its not a class governed by MNZ as such and the post classic register does not recognise it as a class under their governance.


errr, nope!

Refer the MNZ news item in Jun 2008 calling for feedback on the pre 89 rules. Those provisional rules were wrtitten by members of the technical committee from the NZPCRA

The feedback was positive and IIRC there were no changes of note to be made to the rules. Further to that I understand they are being adopted and will be in the rule book some time soon.

The concept was originally dreamed up by Ian Dawson who basically handed it over to the NZPCRA a few years ago and they have been working with it since then, though not as a set of rules in a rule book - more watching, and waiting for the interest to gain and get enough mass to work with properly and doing all the associated investigation of componentry/bikes etc to form the basis of the rules.

Some confusion may exist was that until now, there were no pre 89 rules in the MNZ rule book (most of the guys on the tech committee were too busy racing!)....and they got absorbed into pre 82 events at some meetings due to lack of understanding by the event owners. Wanganui and Paeroa effectively for years by the way the supp regs were written, as per the MNZ rule book for Posties Which meant Pre 82 and Pre 72 bikes only (which is fair enough).

The Draft rules also made their way to Aussie, who aligned their cut off's with NZ in NSW NE 1 and NE2 - they took the pre 89 concept and enlivened it, plus added a following period of up to Dec 31st 1995. I believe these will also get adopted nationally at some point in the future.

[malcy25]

And if you ask MNZ for a ruling they give you a contact for Classic Roadracing Register, they say , why ask us . Go figure.

Generally because the POST Classic (not classic - different organisations - the classics don't even recognise jappas) have done the homework which created the rules in the first place and have a far better understanding of the finer details of age of parts etc.

Quote Scracha: "Should be a rolling "10 year and over" and "20 years and over" or summit like wot they do in other countries. Keeps the racing far more interesting as new bikes are introduced to the class every year. Think of all the different early 90's shite factory paint colour schemes* we could sacrafice to the kitty litter gods every year."

Yeah, has been a bit of discussion around this over the years, but generally around the world there has been a sticking to fixed cut off's these cut offs delinaeating the major shifts in bike design. Many riders race posties so their bike does NOT get further obsolete, which a rolling cut off would. However, new age groups get are likely to get added over time (say every 8-10 years) to "group" bikes and technology - like Aussie did with their Ne2 (ie new Era 2 ) class for pre 95. Still achieve a broadly the same aim over time by adding these bikes into the scene.

The rolling age cut off just creates
1) a mishmash of old bikes across an overly wide time scale which just drives the old bikes away as they can't compete against the later (but still old) stuff .
2) Many of the period bikes that give the guys wood, also would end up with later and later model parts until they are just a collection of old parts and not a Pukka Z1 superbike, GSXR's that look like GSXR's, TZ350's that are fast but you need to ride them properly etc. Otherwise you end up with a frame from here, forks from 15 years later etc etc.

One quote I have heard from a rider which I thought was quite good description of the posties from within the posties about the bieks etc was "we are racing old bikes vaguely, not racing vaguely old bikes". The key thing that the posties sseen to subscribe to is preservation of the bikes "a sthey were" and the rules are structured to keep them that way.

[SHELRACING]

Pre 89 junior is the same as pre 82.There was a copy circulating stating up to 500 for pre 89 but it was a misprint

Cheers Billy, I stand corrected the MNZ rules state
Junior class is up to 600cc 4 stroke, 251cc - 430cc 2 stroke.

[roadracingoldfart]

errr, nope!

Refer the MNZ news item in Jun 2008 calling for feedback on the pre 89 rules. Those provisional rules were wrtitten by members of the technical committee from the NZPCRA

The feedback was positive and IIRC there were no changes of note to be made to the rules. Further to that I understand they are being adopted and will be in the rule book some time soon.

The concept was originally dreamed up by Ian Dawson who basically handed it over to the NZPCRA a few years ago and they have been working with it since then, though not as a set of rules in a rule book - more watching, and waiting for the interest to gain and get enough mass to work with properly and doing all the associated investigation of componentry/bikes etc to form the basis of the rules.

Some confusion may exist was that until now, there were no pre 89 rules in the MNZ rule book (most of the guys on the tech committee were too busy racing!)....and they got absorbed into pre 82 events at some meetings due to lack of understanding by the event owners. Wanganui and Paeroa effectively for years by the way the supp regs were written, as per the MNZ rule book for Posties Which meant Pre 82 and Pre 72 bikes only (which is fair enough).

The Draft rules also made their way to Aussie, who aligned their cut off's with NZ in NSW NE 1 and NE2 - they took the pre 89 concept and enlivened it, plus added a following period of up to Dec 31st 1995. I believe these will also get adopted nationally at some point in the future.

In the gap between the 2006 and 2007 winter season i asked MNZ for a ruling over a poss eng change i had an idea for , I quote Paul Stewart "umm we have no rules set for the pre 89s so ill refer you to the NZPCRR but i cant see an issue with what you plan"
I spoke to the NZPCRR gut on the phone and he told me that the only rules were based on age , IE if a frame was say a 1987 and the engine was a 1988 then the bike was classed as a 1988 , the rational was based on the youngest major component. I asked for that to be put in writing so if i got a protest i could support my machine and the guy ducked for cover saying "we dont do that". I wish i wrote his name down at the time .
I made submitions to the tech comittee at the time and dint get a reply or any feedback but i know my application was recieved by them. Ian Dawson (or Nai Noswad ) as he is known to me is a valuble man for the sport and can be seen now doing interviews etc for tele , he and i have raced for many years and with his old tyre brand i recon we blew half the stock away at Manfeild between us .
Vince Sharp has had some imput to the class rules from what i understand and as hes now getting back into it a bit more i hope he helps to clarify the rules . Unless they are published then the racers dont have a clue as the class generally asks within itself to get a rule clarification.(as nothings printed).

I am really happy to see this thread get a bit of imput as its the best little class in the world in my opinion.
Old is good

Paul.

[WarrenW]

Yeah just look at me ! Old IS good !!! LOL

[rustys]

Yeah just look at me ! Old IS good !!! LOL

Yeh and we still give them a run for there money don't we Warren.

As Paul says it is the best raceing class out there, where you don't need a super competitive machine, spending lots of money to have good close racing at times.

Just hope that MNZ keep the rules for the machines simple and basic.

[rachprice]

hmmm very tempting, now whether I can afford to do it on my student budget living in Wellington will be another story

[rustys]

Cause you can !
Nothings impossible, plenty of good people out there to help you along.
See you tomorrow at Manfield.
I will be leading the novice group, on a "street stock" 150. That will be fun.:woohoo::rockon:

[Duke girl]

Here's hoping the streetstock will be able to do the speed to keep in front of the Novice group otherwise get out the way unless you want to get run over.

[rachprice]

Cause you can !
Nothings impossible, plenty of good people out there to help you along.
See you tomorrow at Manfield.
I will be leading the novice group, on a "street stock" 150. That will be fun.:woohoo::rockon:

Oh true well its my second so I might start in novice, Im also on my friends streetstock 150 cos my RGV flywheel decided to fuck itself!

[malcy25]

In the gap between the 2006 and 2007 winter season i asked MNZ for a ruling over a poss eng change i had an idea for , I quote Paul Stewart "umm we have no rules set for the pre 89s so ill refer you to the NZPCRR but i cant see an issue with what you plan"
I spoke to the NZPCRR gut on the phone and he told me that the only rules were based on age , IE if a frame was say a 1987 and the engine was a 1988 then the bike was classed as a 1988 , the rational was based on the youngest major component. I asked for that to be put in writing so if i got a protest i could support my machine and the guy ducked for cover saying "we dont do that". I wish i wrote his name down at the time .
I made submitions to the tech comittee at the time and dint get a reply or any feedback but i know my application was recieved by them. Ian Dawson (or Nai Noswad ) as he is known to me is a valuble man for the sport and can be seen now doing interviews etc for tele , he and i have raced for many years and with his old tyre brand i recon we blew half the stock away at Manfeild between us .
Vince Sharp has had some imput to the class rules from what i understand and as hes now getting back into it a bit more i hope he helps to clarify the rules . Unless they are published then the racers dont have a clue as the class generally asks within itself to get a rule clarification.(as nothings printed).

I am really happy to see this thread get a bit of imput as its the best little class in the world in my opinion.
Old is good

Paul.

Paul

Thanks - interesting read - sorry haven't got a lot of time right now for a long response so excuse my briefness.
Paul S's comments are basically correct and I think given where the pre 89 rules were at the time he answered correctly withoiut being a subject matter expert.

In terms of interaction with the NZPCRA technical guys. Who and how was the correspondence with? This stuff usually gets circulated pretty quick within the tech committee.

The "in writing"
1) There were no pre 89 rules formalised so until now, thus there were no rules to protest against. Something I don't know if many people ever realised!!
2) trying to confirm in writing against a set of rules that didn't exist and were still in "development" would only leave whomever exposed or you complaining because they had changed against what was previously said. 3) The proof is on the owner/rider with regards to eligibility. UItimately the guys try hard to help, but the requestor has to provide the proof (otherwise the tech committee just spends100's of hours trying to find information for everyone) 4) and yes the rule book does and will for pre 89 say that the age of the newest major component will date the machine over all ie engine 88, rest of bike 87, 88 is taken as the the "date".

Rules should be in the next issue of the MNZ rule book. Some of the delay has been people (Ie families, businesses etc etc), some of the last bit has been the rule submission and production process, sign off time lines etc, rule book publication times etc.

Vince is still on the tech committee which is made up by a bunch of guys throughout NZ, including SI, jap brand and Italian, Euro specialists and guys who were actually there. Some are gungho, some re long term thinking. Fabulous arguments between them all over the years getting to the answer that results in a rule change or whatever, lots of fun!

But having seem the Aussie rules closely and NZ rules and UK bikes etc., the NZ rules whilst at times they annoy some riders because they can't use what they want, they provide a good a balance of cost control and what was available.

PM me for more as required and I can fill in more gaps.

[lostinflyz]

if anyones actually serious about going pre 89 racing ive got a 89 vfr400 up for sale. it needs a little work but shouldn't be too hard. its had alot of money spent trying to get it setup and is a bargain. and i REALLY need it gone. don't be put off by the description. its me being honest as this was sold to me saying needed a few things done. and i refuse to be a bullshiter.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=197689079&ed=true

make an offer if ya want it. ill consider anything.

[rachprice]

if anyones actually serious about going pre 89 racing ive got a 89 vfr400 up for sale. it needs a little work but shouldn't be too hard. its had alot of money spent trying to get it setup and is a bargain. and i REALLY need it gone. don't be put off by the description. its me being honest as this was sold to me saying needed a few things done. and i refuse to be a bullshiter.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=19768907

make an offer if ya want it. ill consider anything.

trademe link goes to some batteries?

[lostinflyz]

really fast pre 89 batteries. try the link again or this one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=197689079&ed=true

sorry

[WarrenW]

Will have some pics up on the website soon. Check it out this evening and you will see some great shots of you in Turn one from yesterday

[rachprice]

hmmm I'm currently torn between streetstock and postclassic.....

[Clivoris]

hmmm I'm currently torn between streetstock and postclassic.....

Some greedy buggers are planning on doing both *coughs* Rusty.
Strong arguments for both. Streetstock is cheeper and you will probably develop better racecraft and skills. It sounds like there will be a sizeable field this Winter Series as well, if all the talkers front up.

[dangerous]

hmmm I'm currently torn between streetstock and postclassic.....

DOH... F4 buckets and post classic 82's ;)

[rustys]

Oh true well its my second so I might start in novice, Im also on my friends streetstock 150 cos my RGV flywheel decided to fuck itself!

Well for a novice you ride dam well girl, watching you yesterday.
I hope you gained a bit more learning and speed in the medium group.
Wat'ever class you enter into this year i think you will go very well. Both classes are a lot of fun, always somebody to race with regardless where you are.

[rachprice]

Well for a novice you ride dam well girl, watching you yesterday.
I hope you gained a bit more learning and speed in the medium group.
Wat'ever class you enter into this year i think you will go very well. Both classes are a lot of fun, always somebody to race with regardless where you are.

Oh thanks :o
I still want to get more experience, Havent been riding long...still have my learners haha

[WarrenW]

Go get 'em girl. Clean riding, nice lines. You will get heaps quicker when you have others out there to play with and the race face goes on !!!