Rim grease?

[laserracer]

anyone know if you can use vaseline instead of rim grease
on your airfilters

[noobi]

you could not use either and just use filter oil

[B0000M]

id say so, but the theory is that the grease is sticky, vaseline is not so sticky.

also vaseline being a pertoleum jelly i presume it must contain petrol, which is not advisable to put on filters as it fucks the glue which holds them together

or as above, do what i and others have proven to be successful, not use any grease and just oil your filter. its worked for me so far

[noobi]

what is best to use to clean said filters?
i use mineral turps works well and the filters havent fallen apart yet

[Paulus]

id say so, but the theory is that the grease is sticky, vaseline is not so sticky.

also vaseline being a pertoleum jelly i presume it must contain petrol, which is not advisable to put on filters as it fucks the glue which holds them together

or as above, do what i and others have proven to be successful, not use any grease and just oil your filter. its worked for me so far
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_jelly

I must have used it for at least 15 years on air filter rims and I never had any sign of it attacking the filter. The good part is that being white you can see if any dirt is getting past it. Also it isn't hard on your hands. Shell used to sell big tins of the stuff.

[cheese]

I really have to say that notoil is so much easier in every aspect. It washes out in water, you can put it through your washing machine and its not hard on the filter glue.

[Rupe]

or as above, do what i and others have proven to be successful, not use any grease and just oil your filter. its worked for me so far


Are you talking about your 2stroke. As I've been told by a few people that on a 4stroke it is more important to ensure the filter is properly oiled and seals correctly. This is due to dirt particles bouncing around in the valves. To help it seal it was said that grease is to be used.

I'm no mechanic so maybe someone who has more knowledge could clear this up. And apparently it's not so important for a 2stroke.

[cheese]

The notoil comes with a pack of white rim grease.

note to rupe - the rim grease isn't the kind of rim grease you'd use when you're wearing your yellow tartan pants.

[Rupe]

The notoil comes with a pack of white rim grease.

note to rupe - the rim grease isn't the kind of rim grease you'd use when you're wearing your yellow tartan pants.

Very good... get back in your hole and fix your bike, or that xbox, or do something useful.

[B0000M]

Very good... get back in your hole and fix your bike, or that xbox, or do something useful.

shit your not letting cheese near a game console are you? the last one that went under his knife never went again :bash:

i wouldnt want to have shit passing thru into any engine of mine, if you look at how the whole setup goes together the grease is pretty un nessacary, but if it makes you feel at ease by all means go for it - that clears up my concern about the vaseline too,.

dont wash your filters in pertol

kerosene is quite effective and doesnt damage filters, once youve washed them out with kero, wash them with some warm soapy water then let them dry.

i use about 5 filters so i hardly ever have to clean them, use them all, then clean them all in one go

[cheese]

Very good... get back in your hole and fix your bike, or that xbox, or do something useful.

haha! got you back.

yeah I'll work on my bike on Thursday and the weekend.

[Ktmboy]

I have to agree with Booom on this. I used to use grease on the rims but it was just another step to add to an already tedious job.

I've been using Notoil for the last few years and shit its easy. I have never seen evidence of anything getting past the filter.

The Notoil cleaner works really well or just grab the liquid dynamo off wifey's laundry shelf for cleaning.

[Rupe]

shit your not letting cheese near a game console are you? the last one that went under his knife never went again :bash:

i wouldnt want to have shit passing thru into any engine of mine, if you look at how the whole setup goes together the grease is pretty un nessacary, but if it makes you feel at ease by all means go for it - that clears up my concern about the vaseline too,.

dont wash your filters in pertol

kerosene is quite effective and doesnt damage filters, once youve washed them out with kero, wash them with some warm soapy water then let them dry.

i use about 5 filters so i hardly ever have to clean them, use them all, then clean them all in one go

He's already fixed mine and it doubles up as a heater now which is good, he's now fixing a mates.

Don't use grease on mine and have been using kero to clean it too(Food town sells the cheapest I've found).

Like I said I'm not a mechanic, but if your experience has shown it not needed then, sweeeet.

[mattwood]

I've been using Notoil for the last few years and shit its easy. I have never seen evidence of anything getting past the filter.

yeah that notoil is magic shit. Sticky as a bitch but once you drop it in a sink of the cleaner it all just disappears.. crazy.

[laserracer]

Ok thanks guys.. might try grease...or vaseline, or nothing,:confused:
or stick with the no toil rim grease... i was just looking for a cheaper alternative... me being a tight arse and all:shit:lol :buggerd:,

[laserracer]

And no im not a homo:gob::buggerd: even though that last post looks pretty dodgey:yes:..and yes im a tight arse ..and i did mention grease and vaseline...STINK this just doesnt get any better ..im gonna stop now:(

[barty5]

[QUOTE=laserracer;1889941]yes im a tight arse ..and grease and vaseline...

usin those words in the same sentence is not a good look

[theblacksmith]

I use kero for cleaning and Bel Ray foam filter oil (very sticky) I noticed that if I rotate the filter back and forwards a couple of times in the housing before tightening the nut that holds it-that a perfect seal is made between the sponge and plastic rim.
The oil is also very good for playing pranks on your mates.
Simply pour a wee bit in their helmets when theyre not looking!
Tee hee hee!

[secondfield]

yes im a tight arse ..and grease and vaseline...

Hehe gotta have a dig here ....

You and kezzafish should get chatting.

World class freudian slippers.

He's been obsessing over frog penises lately ..

[motorbyclist]

I really have to say that notoil is so much easier in every aspect. It washes out in water, you can put it through your washing machine and its not hard on the filter glue.

+1

I wait until i've used all my filters then just chuck them in the washing machine, and just make sure the seals has plenty of lube...

too easy :)

although, in the past i have used petrol to wash filters every weekend for over a year without any glue issues. i also used engine grease to seal it:clap:

[B0000M]

it must only affect some brands of filters depending on the glue they use,

ive seen ready filters come to bits with using petrol, what brand of filters do you use?

[laserracer]

i use twinair on both the 426 and 250

[B0000M]

oh , i was asking motorbicyclist,

[motorbyclist]

uni, twin air, the stock yamaha one and the home made one that came with my bike all seem petrol safe

yet i've seen some ROAD bike filters have the glue fail, and some even have the foam 'rot' due to being soaked in petrol

[camchain]

I reckon whether or not to grease the filter flange depends from bike to bike as some designs are better than others.

On my KLX the filter used the thin edge of the cage to (barely) seal the filter against airbox, so I greased it every time. The old thin green No Toil grease was almost useless. The newer white stuff is much thicker but it's dear alright. Would the No Toil cleaner deal to vaseline?

On the KTM the filter, cage and airbox flanges seem to get good contact, although I've read a few posts on KTMtalk on being careful to seat the thing properly, it being a bit vague to accurately centre (= lunched engines in one ride). I haven't greased it yet, but I might for the rest of summer anyway just for a bit of extra piece of mind. I like to wipe an oily finger inside the air boot as a bit of a dust tell-tale as well.

Although I loved the easy cleaning etc, I was never really happy with the No Toil so I switched to 'More-Toil' Bel Ray for the extra tackiness. I had a look at one of Reckless's filters and it might have been even tackier so now trying out Motul.

I would say clean air is just as important on a 2T as you've got it all moving past the big end bearing and swirling up through the transfer ports around piston, which also has a much bigger than 4T skirt surface area to pick up grit.

Next project is to make a big pre filter to deal with KTM's weird dirt-collecting airbox design. Should take some load off an easily dust clogged single small filter.

::Are Freudian slippers comfortable or do they sometimes trip you up?::

[laserracer]

I reckon whether or not to grease the filter flange depends from bike to bike as some designs are better than others.

On my KLX the filter used the thin edge of the cage to (barely) seal the filter against airbox, so I greased it every time. The old thin green No Toil grease was almost useless. The newer white stuff is much thicker but it's dear alright. Would the No Toil cleaner deal to vaseline?

On the KTM the filter, cage and airbox flanges seem to get good contact, although I've read a few posts on KTMtalk on being careful to seat the thing properly, it being a bit vague to accurately centre (= lunched engines in one ride). I haven't greased it yet, but I might for the rest of summer anyway just for a bit of extra piece of mind. I like to wipe an oily finger inside the air boot as a bit of a dust tell-tale as well.

Although I loved the easy cleaning etc, I was never really happy with the No Toil so I switched to 'More-Toil' Bel Ray for the extra tackiness. I had a look at one of Reckless's filters and it might have been even tackier so now trying out Motul.

I would say clean air is just as important on a 2T as you've got it all moving past the big end bearing and swirling up through the transfer ports around piston, which also has a much bigger than 4T skirt surface area to pick up grit.

Next project is to make a big pre filter to deal with KTM's weird dirt-collecting airbox design. Should take some load off an easily dust clogged single small filter.

::Are Freudian slippers comfortable or do they sometimes trip you up?::
freudian slipper s are pretty comfy but freudian jandles are better :yes:

[laserracer]

Hehe gotta have a dig here ....

You and kezzafish should get chatting.

World class freudian slippers.

He's been obsessing over frog penises lately ..

Hmmmm.. frog penises.. hopping to hear some more on this subject..secondfield