Looking for work

[Coyote]

Out of Weltec, was hoping for a job in Spraypainting cars but the economic downturn has stopped most people from hiring (though I'm still looking). And work and income are forcing me to work at McDonalds or cleaning slobber off old ladies at rest homes.

Anyone know of any job opportunities around that aren't horribly depressing?

[Mully]

Do what you got to do, until you can do what you want to do.

[Coyote]

Do what you got to do, until you can do what you want to do.
Right. I want to rule everybody with an iron fist. Search up how to make nuclear reactors on google right?

[Mully]

Right. I want to rule everybody with an iron fist. Search up how to make nuclear reactors on google right?

Exactly. In the meantime, do whatever you can to make the $$ to finance your plan to rule everybody with an iron fist.

[Curious_AJ]

Out of Weltec, was hoping for a job in Spraypainting cars but the economic downturn has stopped most people from hiring (though I'm still looking). And work and income are forcing me to work at McDonalds or cleaning slobber off old ladies at rest homes.

Anyone know of any job opportunities around that aren't horribly depressing?

hey, that's not a very nice thing to say about old ladies at rest homes!! they're often very lucid and lovely people... And the people that work at rest homes are also often lovely, caring and compassionate people. It's only a depressing job if you make it. If its not your thing then say "i dotn want to work in a rest home" nuff said... dont have to put it so horribly.

sorry.

[Str8 Jacket]

Out of Weltec, was hoping for a job in Spraypainting cars but the economic downturn has stopped most people from hiring (though I'm still looking). And work and income are forcing me to work at McDonalds or cleaning slobber off old ladies at rest homes.

Anyone know of any job opportunities around that aren't horribly depressing?

Good. You cant just sit round on your arse hoping. If you are out of work for a while it can make you seem more unemployable than someone who just gets of their butts and knows how to work. If you dont wanna work at the above places and you really can find spray painting work then go get something else. Yourself. Being able to take the initiative can make you more employable too..... ;)

[Coyote]

hey, that's not a very nice thing to say about old ladies at rest homes!! they're often very lucid and lovely people... And the people that work at rest homes are also often lovely, caring and compassionate people. It's only a depressing job if you make it. If its not your thing then say "i dotn want to work in a rest home" nuff said... dont have to put it so horribly.

sorry.
Sorry. It was a bit cruel. However that's what the caregivers had to do for my grandparents...

Thing is the people at Work and Income don't like taking no for an answer. Apparently, my response to refusing to work at McDonalds which was: "I don't think my skills would be best suited to flipping burgers and I'd rather spend a bit more time finding a job that wasn't so depressing" was "just an excuse" and all the dole bludgers around me started picking on me for saying fancy words.

[Coyote]

Good. You cant just sit round on your arse hoping. If you are out of work for a while it can make you seem more unemployable than someone who just gets of their butts and knows how to work. If you dont wanna work at the above places and you really can find spray painting work then go get something else. Yourself. Being able to take the initiative can make you more employable too..... ;)
Looking for jobs isn't so bad anymore as I have a bike to ride to and from :D

Just stopped by Maidstone Panelbeaters to check their situation, and they said they were now fairly interested in bringing in an apprentice now work is picking up. Just need to bring in a C.V. and my course papers from Weltec. I'm updating my C.V. now (temporarily distracted by KB right now) and just called Weltec to see if I'm meant to be getting a certificate and left a message on the answering machine, waiting on them now.

[Str8 Jacket]

Thing is the people at Work and Income don't like taking no for an answer. Apparently, my response to refusing to work at McDonalds which was: "I don't think my skills would be best suited to flipping burgers and I'd rather spend a bit more time finding a job that wasn't so depressing" was "just an excuse" and all the dole bludgers around me started picking on me for saying fancy words.

My turn to be cruel. HTFU, get over it. Take the job and start looking for another one. Ive been where you are and what you do now and your attitude to life now could make you in the person you're gonna be in 10 years.

[Coyote]

My turn to be cruel. HTFU, get over it. Take the job and start looking for another one. Ive been where you are and what you do now and your attitude to life now could make you in the person you're gonna be in 10 years.
Man, it's like I must be begging for abuse on this site. Gee whizz :p

I've HTFU'd by standing my ground and not being forced into a shit job. I got balls... ma'am.

[yod]

:corn:....

[Curious_AJ]

Man, it's like I must be begging for abuse on this site. Gee whizz :p

I've HTFU'd by standing my ground and not being forced into a shit job. I got balls... ma'am.

lol, you're SOOO going to eat your words...

[MisterD]

Anyone know of any job opportunities around that aren't horribly depressing?

Hop on the ferry and do grape-work in Blenheim - less depressing than Mac D's, and you'll get a tan...on the downside, it's backbreaking and you don't get a uniform with stars on.

[MIXONE]

:corn:....

+1...........

[Coyote]

Hop on the ferry and do grape-work in Blenheim - less depressing than Mac D's, and you'll get a tan...on the downside, it's backbreaking and you don't get a uniform with stars on.
That could be alright. I look into it.

lol, you're SOOO going to eat your words...
Actually, I'm expecting worse.

[Str8 Jacket]

lol, you're SOOO going to eat your words...

Heh, its alright I know where he lives.... :whistle:

And anyway, what has become of the world if I can't give you even a tiny bit of shit! ;)

Good luck with the jobs. Still reckon that you need to HTFU! :shake:

[MIXONE]

lol, you're SOOO going to eat your words...

Probably taste better then Mcds though!

[Lias]

Good. You cant just sit round on your arse hoping. If you are out of work for a while it can make you seem more unemployable than someone who just gets of their butts and knows how to work. If you dont wanna work at the above places and you really can find spray painting work then go get something else. Yourself. Being able to take the initiative can make you more employable too..... ;)

Equally taking a job beneath you often influences employers against you. I've known interview panels to refuse to hire people under the theory that anyone sufficiently talented simply does not lower themselves to working in such an environment.

[Coyote]

Equally taking a job beneath you often influences employers against you. I've known interview panels to refuse to hire people under the theory that anyone sufficiently talented simply does not lower themselves to working in such an environment.
And I do not want to lower myself. I've already been there, working at a supermarket after school. Ugh.

The fact that I had to go to work and income was for my parents rather than myself. Since I'm still at home I have to do what I'm told.

Heh, its alright I know where he lives.... :whistle:

And anyway, what has become of the world if I can't give you even a tiny bit of shit! ;)

Good luck with the jobs. Still reckon that you need to HTFU! :shake:
You do?!

Fark. Have to go to witness protection now. Maybe they can set me up with a job...

Phff. I'm tough as nails.

[Str8 Jacket]

Phff. I'm tough as nails.

Oddly enough my nails keep breaking....

[discodan]

I know how you feel, I was in your position a while back and they (WINZ) have no idea how to help people find a job that is suited to them. You can take a crap job that you will only quit anyway or you can focus your time on finding the right job. In the long term you will pay more tax by getting the right job.

Get your CV done and go door knocking on all the spray painters that you can. Also, posting here is good as surely someone knows someone in that area that may be able to help?

[vifferman]

I dunno... yoofs of today and all that.
I don't regret all the "shit" jobs I've done (supermarket, furniture delivery, scrub cutting / forestry work, farm labourer, fruit picker/packer, painter, plasterer, etc etc.). At least they're 'honest' work. In some ways working in IT is more boring and soul-destroying than packing kiwifruit...
Pays better though...

[Sully60]

I don't know what would be so depressing about flippin' beef patties at Mickey Dee's. I did it for a few years whilst at school and tech and it taught me a good work ethic and how to keep a clean and tidy work environment. The closing shifts although hard during the tech days were always good, especially the after work parties

And I'll tell you now from a tradesmans point of view, you will never work anywhere where there is such and abundance of females that are a similar age to you.:devil2:

If I was in a postion to employ someone such as yourself I'd much rather take on someone willing to get a job and tough it out than someone who thought they were above menial labour.

Do you really think you'll be painting Lexus' on the first day at work at the panelbeaters?

[vifferman]

painting Lexus'
Lexuses?
Lexii?

:confused:

Toyotas! :niceone:

[Sparrowhawk]

Bro, we've all been there. I flipped burgers at BK while I studied, then I did some casual work for a while until I found a full time job. The advantage of casual work is it brings an income, you usually don't work every day, so you can still job hunt, and chances are if you're a good casual staff member, you'll be noticed for a permanent position.

I don't know if there's any casual work in the spraypainting industry, but it really doesn't matter which industry. If you're doing a weeks worth of assembly line work, and the boss knows a panelbeater looking for someone...

Biggest tip though, get "what colour is my parachute, 2009 edition", either from the library, or buy it. It's been revised for job hunting in tough times, like our current economy. I'm half-way throught it, effing brilliant.

[Sparrowhawk]

Lexuses?
Lexii?

:confused:

Toyotas! :niceone:

+1 for that one!! I'm still convinced that Donor and his colleagues drive Ambuli. Ambulances just don't sound right.

By the way, Coyote, the nature of the world means you're gonna probably start out sweeping floors anyway, most apprentices (& similar) go throught that. It's not like you'll be 2IC to Chip Foose in the 2nd week.:Punk:

[Naki Rat]

And I do not want to lower myself. I've already been there, working at a supermarket after school. Ugh.

The fact that I had to go to work and income was for my parents rather than myself. Since I'm still at home I have to do what I'm told.

You do?!

Fark. Have to go to witness protection now. Maybe they can set me up with a job...

Phff. I'm tough as nails.

Considering you are essentially still at school in a sense, what gives you the impression that you are above any job that provides you an income that prevents you being a financial liability to your parents and/or the NZ taxpayer? Sounds like your parents have just enlisted WINZ to help them stop you suckling off their tit which is only fair. If they're serious about helping you stand on your own two feet you'll be paying them board next :shit:

As the job market shrinks those potential employees who develop a track record of throwing in jobs that don't suit them will find themselves on the bottom of the hire list as employers increasingly look for reliable employees in an unreliable economy. Many employers look for potential over and above qualifications and a good work record and job ethic goes a long way as a foot in the door for what may be that dream job, even if it has been earned flipping burgers at McD's.

At present you CV probably consists of a collection of WellTech qualifications (unproven in the real world) and some after school work history. Don't make the mistake of thinking the work history doesn't count - it may just prove to be what makes your future employer choose you over all the other newbies. And some additional work history can only help there so stop with the "I'm above this" crap :angry: Go find a job!

[vtec]

i agree with Coyote. McD's is embarrassing. I've worked as a bicycle courier for years, delivering parcels on bikes, and heaps of office people look down at you as they perceive that you are either uneducated or too naughty to hold down a "real" job. Fact of the matter was that I'm plenty smart enough and plenty well behaved enough to do 90% of office jobs. I just despise being stuck in an office. Funny how a lot of these "real" jobs are vapourising now that the financial economy is falling apart. You know what they call the productive economy?.. They call it the real economy, so what does that tell you about all these fucking lawyers, accountants, bankers, insurance agents, brokers etc. Paper pushers are bringing the world to its knees right now.

I'm currently unemployed because I just got back from Aussie working in an office (damnit) and am looking for work that fits in my idea of not being soul destroying. Once you are over a certain age, McD's/warehouse/BK is a doorway to nowhere. You're better off on the dole. I myself prefer hard labour. Fruit picking/window cleaning/farm work sounds nice as long as it's in bursts. Don't want to get stuck in a rut. I'm thinking of trying to do contract Quantity Surveying (that's what I'm qualified to do), so that I do the much maligned office work but with a light at the end of the tunnel, and good money to boot.

The main problem with McD's isn't the flipping the burgers, it's going to be putting up with a retard power tripping manager, and stupid fucking customers.

Coyote, you'll get work as a tradesman easy. I've got some fairings and a car that need painting. Had you thought of going solo? Are you confident enough with your abilities? We've got a spare room in Henderson Auckland that you could rent for about $120 (including power and water etc) per week in a decent house with a decent garage. There's tonnes of panelbeaters up here. Let me know if you'd move. I'm planning on going to Picton at the end of February myself, try working on a fishing boat, or doing orchard work.

P.S. I love being a bicycle courier.

[Naki Rat]

I'm currently unemployed because I just got back from Aussie working in an office (damnit) and am looking for work that fits in my idea of not being soul destroying. Once you are over a certain age, McD's/warehouse/BK is a doorway to nowhere. You're better off on the dole. I myself prefer hard labour.


Try to get your head around how a potential employer would view you being reliable enough to hold down a menial job as opposed to being too idle to be bothered finding or holding down a job :slap:

[Naki Rat]

The main problem with McD's isn't the flipping the burgers, it's going to be putting up with a retard power tripping manager, and stupid fucking customers.


Life's like that (especially until you work your way up the pecking order) so get used to it.

[Coyote]

Do you really think you'll be painting Lexus' on the first day at work at the panelbeaters?
I'd hope not. (http://www.instantrimshot.com/)


I don't know what would be so depressing about flippin' beef patties at Mickey Dee's. I did it for a few years whilst at school and tech and it taught me a good work ethic and how to keep a clean and tidy work environment. The closing shifts although hard during the tech days were always good, especially the after work parties

And I'll tell you now from a tradesmans point of view, you will never work anywhere where there is such and abundance of females that are a similar age to you.:devil2:

If I was in a postion to employ someone such as yourself I'd much rather take on someone willing to get a job and tough it out than someone who thought they were above menial labour.
You've enticed me with the thought of ladies being there. However my brother worked there for a while and said it was like hell. Hot and cramped with arseholes prodding you. And during my ex's time there, they got rid of many of the perks like being able to eat whatever was left over at the end of the day. The bosses would rather have it all put in the bin rather than let anyone else have anything.

[Coyote]

By the way, Coyote, the nature of the world means you're gonna probably start out sweeping floors anyway, most apprentices (& similar) go throught that. It's not like you'll be 2IC to Chip Foose in the 2nd week.:Punk:
I've been sweeping floors for the last 3 years in between studying. Now after spending up large on a student loan, I'd like to actually get a job where I enjoy it, if only slightly.

[Coyote]

Considering you are essentially still at school in a sense, what gives you the impression that you are above any job that provides you an income that prevents you being a financial liability to your parents and/or the NZ taxpayer? Sounds like your parents have just enlisted WINZ to help them stop you suckling off their tit which is only fair. If they're serious about helping you stand on your own two feet you'll be paying them board next :shit:

As the job market shrinks those potential employees who develop a track record of throwing in jobs that don't suit them will find themselves on the bottom of the hire list as employers increasingly look for reliable employees in an unreliable economy. Many employers look for potential over and above qualifications and a good work record and job ethic goes a long way as a foot in the door for what may be that dream job, even if it has been earned flipping burgers at McD's.

At present you CV probably consists of a collection of WellTech qualifications (unproven in the real world) and some after school work history. Don't make the mistake of thinking the work history doesn't count - it may just prove to be what makes your future employer choose you over all the other newbies. And some additional work history can only help there so stop with the "I'm above this" crap :angry: Go find a job!
I'm on the benefit now. All the money goes to the parents while I attend seminars. I'm not at school, I passed my Weltec course. I was best in class too.

I've already got years of menial jobs to prove I'm capable of them. Been working on and off since I was 14. Plus I've done 300+ hours of unpaid work experience to show I'm capable of working in the real world.

[Coyote]

The main problem with McD's isn't the flipping the burgers, it's going to be putting up with a retard power tripping manager, and stupid fucking customers.
Hit the nail on the head man.

i agree with Coyote. McD's is embarrassing. I've worked as a bicycle courier for years, delivering parcels on bikes, and heaps of office people look down at you as they perceive that you are either uneducated or too naughty to hold down a "real" job. Fact of the matter was that I'm plenty smart enough and plenty well behaved enough to do 90% of office jobs. I just despise being stuck in an office. Funny how a lot of these "real" jobs are vapourising now that the financial economy is falling apart. You know what they call the productive economy?.. They call it the real economy, so what does that tell you about all these fucking lawyers, accountants, bankers, insurance agents, brokers etc. Paper pushers are bringing the world to its knees right now.

I'm currently unemployed because I just got back from Aussie working in an office (damnit) and am looking for work that fits in my idea of not being soul destroying. Once you are over a certain age, McD's/warehouse/BK is a doorway to nowhere. You're better off on the dole. I myself prefer hard labour. Fruit picking/window cleaning/farm work sounds nice as long as it's in bursts. Don't want to get stuck in a rut. I'm thinking of trying to do contract Quantity Surveying (that's what I'm qualified to do), so that I do the much maligned office work but with a light at the end of the tunnel, and good money to boot.

Coyote, you'll get work as a tradesman easy. I've got some fairings and a car that need painting. Had you thought of going solo? Are you confident enough with your abilities? We've got a spare room in Henderson Auckland that you could rent for about $120 (including power and water etc) per week in a decent house with a decent garage. There's tonnes of panelbeaters up here. Let me know if you'd move. I'm planning on going to Picton at the end of February myself, try working on a fishing boat, or doing orchard work.

P.S. I love being a bicycle courier.
I've already encountered "holier than thou" people since I chose to study a trade. As I've mentioned several times, the best example was my mum mentioning to her boss about my chosen study. The bosses reply was "but I thought he was meant to be smart?"

Though I was being smart by avoiding a money grasping Uni selling dreams rather than realities...

Just after years of obedience and working for minimum wage, below minimum wage, and for free, I thought wanting a decent job wouldn't be too selfish for asking for.

I might PM you a bit later asking more about that garage.

[vtec]

Life's like that (especially until you work your way up the pecking order) so get used to it.
Work your way up the pecking order? What so you can be a slave manager on an average salary for some rich baby boomer with his 22year old gold digging girlfriend. No thanks. Life's only like that if you resign yourself to it. I value my freedom far more than your cubicle heaven.


Try to get your head around how a potential employer would view you being reliable enough to hold down a menial job as opposed to being too idle to be bothered finding or holding down a job
There is no question myself and Coyote are perfectly capable of holding down menial jobs, as we have both done plenty, you should read full posts before responding. We are both now at a point where we are looking for work where we will be happy, and are not willing to settle for less. Just because you are and you love "the man" telling you what to do for peanut wages doesn't mean that everyone else is as idle minded as that.

[Coyote]

Work your way up the pecking order? What so you can be a slave manager on an average salary for some rich baby boomer with his 22year old gold digging girlfriend. No thanks. Life's only like that if you resign yourself to it. I value my freedom far more than your cubicle heaven.


There is no question myself and Coyote are perfectly capable of holding down menial jobs, as we have both done plenty, you should read full posts before responding. We are both now at a point where we are looking for work where we will be happy, and are not willing to settle for less. Just because you are and you love "the man" telling you what to do for peanut wages doesn't mean that everyone else is as idle minded as that.
Man, I don't generalise that far and I get slaughtered. Don't know what's going to happen to you, but it can't be good :laugh:

Menial jobs are a last resort. Considering I haven't been out of work long, I think I have the right to look for a good job before I have to settle. Luckily I still live at home and have decent parents, so I don't have desperation forcing me to take what I can get, at least not yet.

So, back to the original question; anyone know about any jobs available?

[Naki Rat]

Work your way up the pecking order? What so you can be a slave manager on an average salary for some rich baby boomer with his 22year old gold digging girlfriend. No thanks. Life's only like that if you resign yourself to it. I value my freedom far more than your cubicle heaven.

Notice I said WORK your way up the pecking order, because arse kissing your way up just won't cut it. Life is full of middle management prats and difficult customers/clients. If you have intelligence and initiative use it to out-think and out-manoeuvre that "retard power tripping manager or stupid customer" and turn the situation to your advantage. And if you are sitting on your arse on the dole you're just not going to be out there circulating and available to take advantage of the opportunities those people present for you.


There is no question myself and Coyote are perfectly capable of holding down menial jobs, as we have both done plenty, you should read full posts before responding. We are both now at a point where we are looking for work where we will be happy, and are not willing to settle for less. Just because you are and you love "the man" telling you what to do for peanut wages doesn't mean that everyone else is as idle minded as that.

You are so far off target with your guess at my situation :rofl: but it has taken 30+ years of continually upskilling together with establishing a very comprehensive and multiskilled CV. At your point in your working lives you still have an uphill struggle to find your niche in the job market and to be turning up your noses at jobs that are below your perceived skillbase is not a wise strategy in today's economic climate.

Perhaps Bill Gates knows something along these lines:

FACTS 0F LIFE BY BILL GATES


The generation of kids today have no concept of reality, and this is setting them up for failure in the real world. Ten things that they don't teach in school:

* Life is not FAIR: get used to it.

* The world won't care about your self esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

* You will NOT rnake $40,000 a year right out of high school, and you will NOT be a Vice-President, with a car phone until you earn both.

* If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you have a boss

* Flipping burgers is NOT beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for burger flipping; they called it opportunity.

* If you mess up, it is NOT your parents fault. Don't whine about vour mistakes, learn from them.

* Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to your endless talk about how cool you are. So before you save the rainforest from the parasites of your parents' generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

* Your school may have done, away with winners and losers, but real life has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades; they'll give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This does not bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

* Life is not divided into semesters. You dont get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you to find yourself. Do that in your own time.

* Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to be nice to nerds, chances are you will end up working for one.

[SARGE]

Out of Weltec, was hoping for a job in Spraypainting cars but the economic downturn has stopped most people from hiring (though I'm still looking). And work and income are forcing me to work at McDonalds or cleaning slobber off old ladies at rest homes.

Anyone know of any job opportunities around that aren't horribly depressing?


too bad youre not in Dorkland.. i have a few clients (panelbeaters) that are looking for staff.. my company is always short staffed too

[Lucy]

I'd hope not. (http://www.instantrimshot.com/)

. And during my ex's time there, they got rid of many of the perks like being able to eat whatever was left over at the end of the day. The bosses would rather have it all put in the bin rather than let anyone else have anything.


Wow things have changed! I worked at McD's in the early 80s and we were not allowed to eat anything for free. We got half price stuff if we were on a break. All the 'waste' was binned and accounted for.

Having said that, in those days the money was good, and we got more money on weekends and public holidays and things like that. Even back then working there was deeply uncool, but we got more than double the hourly rate that the supermarket kids got.

Being prepared to do shit jobs hasn't got me far though. Stick to your guns and the right job will come along.

[Coyote]

too bad youre not in Dorkland.. i have a few clients (panelbeaters) that are looking for staff.. my company is always short staffed too
I'm keen on a change of scenery...

Vtec just offered that room in Dorkland. It might be possible. Have to think about it.

Wow things have changed! I worked at McD's in the early 80s and we were not allowed to eat anything for free. We got half price stuff if we were on a break. All the 'waste' was binned and accounted for.

Having said that, in those days the money was good, and we got more money on weekends and public holidays and things like that. Even back then working there was deeply uncool, but we got more than double the hourly rate that the supermarket kids got.

Being prepared to do shit jobs hasn't got me far though. Stick to your guns and the right job will come along.
Apparently they'd have feasts at the end of work, hanging around for another hour. The bosses decided if they wanted food, they'd have to pay for it, and chuck anything old out. Economically, it makes sense. But it's just a dickish thing to do really and it only made the workers less productive out of spite. Though McDonalds staff turnover probably canceled that out quick.

The supermarkets have recently started paying as much as McDonalds. McDonalds paid more for a while, only by a dollar an hour. But after Progressive Enterprises (they own Countdown and Woolworths, my former employer) won "The Worst Employer in Australasia" award, they decided to give everyone a pay rise.

The government's (both Labour and National) have slowly eroded away workers rights. There's no overtime, holiday pay is less, and during the holidays they'll switch around shifts so they don't have to give out days in lieu.

So I think I can be forgiven for wanting better than that.

[vtec]

Notice I said WORK your way up the pecking order, because arse kissing your way up just won't cut it. Life is full of middle management prats and difficult customers/clients. If you have intelligence and initiative use it to out-think and out-manoeuvre that "retard power tripping manager or stupid customer" and turn the situation to your advantage. And if you are sitting on your arse on the dole you're just not going to be out there circulating and available to take advantage of the opportunities those people present for you.

Just a note this is a generalisation rant, not specifically targetted at anyone in particular but just addressing the overall situation. I personally don't have it bad, I just see lots of young people getting shafted all the time over the last 5-10 years and it makes me angry.

The economy and company situations are changing pretty fast at the moment, which is going to lead to more opportunities for the younger generation at the end of the continuing economic/financial failures.

Times have changed. Back when our parents were young, you could go out and do work completely unqualified and earn comparatively very good money, and they'd train you up aswell. Nowadays, the cost of living has increased far more than inflation figures have lead us to believe. Property prices and proportionally rents have been increasing at far greater rate than wages, not to mention food and fuel and all that aswell. You tried going to a movie theatre recently?

What's behind it all, well it's an increasing wealth gap between the rich people in power and the middle & lower classes. The baby boomer generation have had the best economic run in known history, and because they've been spoilt with good times, they've become ruthless in their quest to get ahead, attain power, and all that stuff. They don't give a crap about training up an upcoming generation like their forefathers did. In fact they demand tertiary qualifications before employing anyone.

Now the education system is a major part of the growing wealth gap. To get a qualification (without rich parents) a person has to put themselves in quite a bit of debt, to pay for the increased living expenses, increased education fees, increased transport fees etc. And because everyone is having to get a qualification just to get a semi decent job, there are way more people with degrees, and I'm pretty sure that many of them are rather easy to attain. Now because a person has often qualified themselves for a specific role they are often stuck in that field. And with nearly everyone having to get qualifications, there are tonnes of people to do some of these qualified jobs. And nobody to do others. So the obvious roles such as the junior accountants, and junior lawyers get paid SFA these days. On job training (such as apprenticeships schemes) would sort out this balance, but the baby boomers did away with most of them, because they all thought, why the hell should I have to train someone up, even though it was very often a courtesy they received themselves, and they wonder why staff turnover is so high, there's no loyalty from companies to staff and thusly vice versa.




"You are so far off target with your guess at my situation :rofl: but it has taken 30+ years of continually upskilling together with establishing a very comprehensive and multiskilled CV. At your point in your working lives you still have an uphill struggle to find your niche in the job market and to be turning up your noses at jobs that are below your perceived skillbase is not a wise strategy in today's economic climate."
(The workforce has been screwed for quite a few years now, and because of the longterm stability for most of the boomer generations lives, they've plugged every niche and business opportunity and established firm footholds and control all the power/money).


Perhaps Bill Gates knows something along these lines:

FACTS 0F LIFE BY BILL GATES


The generation of kids today have no concept of reality, and this is setting them up for failure in the real world. Ten things that they don't teach in school:
(A whole generation of retards? you are classic baby boomer)


* Life is not FAIR: get used to it.
(Easy for someone to say who life has been more than fair to to get those not quite so lucky as to be born at the wrong time to put up and shut up.)


* The world won't care about your self esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
(I've got my self esteem, I've got my happiness, I've got my freedom, and I won't give it up for a peanut salary unless I'm happy with the workload/work environment, if everyone else did the same the business owners would be in quite a quandry).


* You will NOT rnake $40,000 a year right out of high school, and you will NOT be a Vice-President, with a car phone until you earn both.
($40,000AUD a year is subsistence in these times, and in Melbourne it was the starting salary of someone fresh out of uni with a Quantity Surveying qualification. In NZ $40,000NZD is good money but still very hard to get by own, the wealth gap is too big. P.S. QSing is one of the jobs to get pretty good salary's so if I start to run low on savings I'll go back to it, just looking for something that I enjoy while I can.)


* If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you have a boss
(A boss that sucks the fun out of being alive is a boss that I will gladly do without. My whole upbringing under my father was far tougher than any boss has been or would be able to achieve. And I will not let some silverspooned knob shine dominate me.)


* Flipping burgers is NOT beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for burger flipping; they called it opportunity.
(I would gladly flip burgers for the rest of my days if it paid well enough, had decent hours, a boss I could get on with and enjoy the company of, in our grandparents day flipping burgers could earn you a house after a while, these days, no chance.).


* If you mess up, it is NOT your parents fault. Don't whine about vour mistakes, learn from them.
(I don't know who this applies to but not me)


* Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to your endless talk about how cool you are. So before you save the rainforest from the parasites of your parents' generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.
(Yes they worked hard, but have got ahead by some speculative bubbles which were unsustainable and are currently crashing after many of the boomer generation have cashed up. The next couple of years are going to be pretty grim economically, it's not any particular persons fault, its just the situation that has been caused by trends and mindsets that have come about through environmental factors such as the economy, which has been manipulated and control legislation has been messed up. But to expect young people to be able to "get ahead" in the current economic climate is wishful thinking. I went into Botany Honda the other day, and asked them "why don't you have any Motards for sale". They asked me "what is the target market", he then proceeded to tell me that it was 18-30year olds. And he said that this age group "HAS NO MONEY". Now you've got to ask yourself, is this age group of people any less intelligent or any less determined than previous generations? No, it's just that the wealth gap between the generations has become huge. When my father was younger, he was able to buy brand new cars and motorbikes, and a house and feed a family on tradesman's wages. Recently tradesman's wages have flown up with the housing bubble, but they will come back down a fair bit with the economic slow down, and they are probably the one group of workers who've managed to increase their earnings with the increased rate of cost of living.

With the fall of the financial economy, hopefully there will be more money going into the productive economy, and NZ may yet again prosper. The financial economy is a great big leech on the real economy.)


* Your school may have done, away with winners and losers, but real life has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades; they'll give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This does not bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life. (I still sat school C etc, so I do agree with you about this, NCEA is a joke, but who's fault is that, certainly not the kids fault)


* Life is not divided into semesters. You dont get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you to find yourself. Do that in your own time.
(Very few employers give a crap about their staff, and thusly the staff don't give a crap about their companies. Loyalty is dead).


* Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to be nice to nerds, chances are you will end up working for one.
(Yep, nerds like myself and Coyote may end up taking the reins one day. Looking forward to rebuilding after the economic carnage to come. Opportunities and niches will be rife).

[Pixie]

+1 for that one!! I'm still convinced that Donor and his colleagues drive Ambuli. Ambulances just don't sound right.


How I love diy latin & greek - not!

If I hear the word octopi one more time I'll knot you're bloody tentacles.

The correct plural is octopodes

[Naki Rat]

How I love diy latin & greek - not!

If I hear the word octopi one more time I'll knot your bloody tentacles.

The correct plural is octopodes

:Pokey: 10 chars damnit

[Naki Rat]

Interesting analysis of the world's ills, and obviously written by someone who was studying rather than texting in English class :first:

We seem to share similar views on some things but few replies to your theories for what it's worth...


You tried going to a movie theatre recently? Not for years - I download

What's behind it all, well it's an increasing wealth gap between the rich people in power and the middle & lower classes. The baby boomer generation have had the best economic run in known history, and because they've been spoilt with good times, they've become ruthless in their quest to get ahead, attain power, and all that stuff. Or did they just have the savvy to capitalise on the prevailing economic conditions and then fight to retain it, which is only fair? They don't give a crap about training up an upcoming generation like their forefathers did. In fact they demand tertiary qualifications before employing anyone. True, the discontinuation of the NZ apprenticeship system was a disaster that is still causing major problems in the labour pool but current employers are now forced to use tertiary qual's as a measuring stick because it's pretty much the only method they have available (apart from work history but we've already covered that topic).

Now the education system is a major part of the growing wealth gap. To get a qualification (without rich parents) a person has to put themselves in quite a bit of debt, to pay for the increased living expenses, increased education fees, increased transport fees etc. And because everyone is having to get a qualification just to get a semi decent job, there are way more people with degrees, and I'm pretty sure that many of them are rather easy to attain. Now because a person has often qualified themselves for a specific role they are often stuck in that field. And with nearly everyone having to get qualifications, there are tonnes of people to do some of these qualified jobs. And nobody to do others. So the obvious roles such as the junior accountants, and junior lawyers get paid SFA these days. On job training (such as apprenticeships schemes) would sort out this balance, but the baby boomers did away with most of them, because they all thought, why the hell should I have to train someone up, even though it was very often a courtesy they received themselves, and they wonder why staff turnover is so high, there's no loyalty from companies to staff and thusly vice versa. Most of these points are a result of an education system that is badly out of sync with the demands of the job market. That system is now far too focussed on their own bottom line (as are the health system, national roading infrastructure, criminal corrections, police, etc.) rather than provide the service that is required. The more worthless qualifications that are generated, the more wasted effort results as the job market struggles to cope with the dross that comes mixed with the potential staff pool. Lack of loyalty is a side effect.


(The workforce has been screwed for quite a few years now, and because of the longterm stability for most of the boomer generations lives, they've plugged every niche and business opportunity and established firm footholds and control all the power/money). Keep using that as an excuse and you will guarantee failure.


(A whole generation of retards? you are classic baby boomer) Who said retards? A lack of reality relates to a mindset modelled by expectations of instant gratification (e.g. fast food, online purchasing, easy hire purchase), denial of failure (no-loss in sports, exams), questionable role models (bad boy/girl sports and pop icons) amongst other things. Me, baby boomer (http://www.cpep-net.ca/system/files/Generational+Characteristics_0.pdf)? Only just, but more attuned to genX characteristics I think.


(Easy for someone to say who life has been more than fair to to get those not quite so lucky as to be born at the wrong time to put up and shut up.) No easy run for me. Just identified the opportunities and ran with them, and made my fair share of mistakes along the way. "The harder you work the luckier you get" still works it seems.

(I've got my self esteem, I've got my happiness, I've got my freedom, and I won't give it up for a peanut salary unless I'm happy with the workload/work environment, if everyone else did the same the business owners would be in quite a quandry). Supply and demand rules. Unfortunately though the demand side of the employment equation is on its way down for the forseeable future.


($40,000AUD a year is subsistence in these times, and in Melbourne it was the starting salary of someone fresh out of uni with a Quantity Surveying qualification. In NZ $40,000NZD is good money but still very hard to get by own, the wealth gap is too big. P.S. QSing is one of the jobs to get pretty good salary's so if I start to run low on savings I'll go back to it, just looking for something that I enjoy while I can.) Number immaterial and is for example only. Living off of savings is pretty unsustainable and an emergency measure only I would have thought.


(A boss that sucks the fun out of being alive is a boss that I will gladly do without. My whole upbringing under my father was far tougher than any boss has been or would be able to achieve. And I will not let some silverspooned knob shine dominate me.) Look forward rather than dwell on the past. A bad boss will still provide money to get by on while being a great motivator to find something better.


(I would gladly flip burgers for the rest of my days if it paid well enough, had decent hours, a boss I could get on with and enjoy the company of, in our grandparents day flipping burgers could earn you a house after a while, these days, no chance.). Dead right, but these days the only way burgers can be supplied so cheap to the instant gratification generation is to pay those that make them peanuts wages. And globalisation has seen the same dynamics effect manufacturing, IT services and a whole bunch of jobs that have relocateable labour or can be done through a phone line.


(I don't know who this applies to but not me) Instead of "parents" read "baby boomers" and check back through all the blame you are laying on them.


(Yes they worked hard, but have got ahead by some speculative bubbles which were unsustainable and are currently crashing after many of the boomer generation have cashed up. The next couple of years are going to be pretty grim economically, it's not any particular persons fault, its just the situation that has been caused by trends and mindsets that have come about through environmental factors such as the economy, which has been manipulated and control legislation has been messed up. But to expect young people to be able to "get ahead" in the current economic climate is wishful thinking. Current conditions would tend to promote survival mode with a chance of getting ahead if you are smart and/or lucky. I went into Botany Honda the other day, and asked them "why don't you have any Motards for sale". They asked me "what is the target market", he then proceeded to tell me that it was 18-30year olds. And he said that this age group "HAS NO MONEY". Now you've got to ask yourself, is this age group of people any less intelligent or any less determined than previous generations? They (genY's)are relatively comfortable with high debt levels which will see them more quickly and seriously effected by the credit crunch. No, it's just that the wealth gap between the generations has become huge. When my father was younger, he was able to buy brand new cars and motorbikes, and a house and feed a family on tradesman's wages. Recently tradesman's wages have flown up with the housing bubble, but they will come back down a fair bit with the economic slow down, and they are probably the one group of workers who've managed to increase their earnings with the increased rate of cost of living.

With the fall of the financial economy, hopefully there will be more money going into the productive economy, and NZ may yet again prosper. The financial economy is a great big leech on the real economy.) You got it. Back to basics but not using borrowed money to do it.


(Yep, nerds like myself and Coyote may end up taking the reins one day. Looking forward to rebuilding after the economic carnage to come. Opportunities and niches will be rife). Just keep yourself productive in the meantime so you have the resources and skills available to capitalise on those opportunities, or just survive if things really do go tits up.

Drop me a line if you're ever in this neck of the woods. I figure we could have an interesting chat over a beer :niceone:

[Sparrowhawk]

How I love diy latin & greek - not!

If I hear the word octopi one more time I'll knot you're bloody tentacles.

The correct plural is octopodes

LMAO - language teacher I am not. :whocares:

I call them octopussies anyway - I was forced to watch james bond movies growing up.

[Coyote]

That system is now far too focussed on their own bottom line rather than provide the service that is required.


Drop me a line if you're ever in this neck of the woods. I figure we could have an interesting chat over a beer :niceone:
Bang on. My Dad, who is a secondary school English teacher so knows about the education system, was long telling me to look at going to Uni carefully. There's a lot of bullshit aimed at sucking you in. The majority of my friends are now at Uni doing courses they either:
- don't know what job they can get from it.
- don't expect to get a job out of it and just want to learn for fun.
- wanting to avoid the real world for a while longer so continue to study.
- feel as though they were expected to go.
- they were enticed by the party lifestyle in Otago.
- and several other reasons I've since forgotten.

Very few had planned on getting a realistic* job with the degree they were aiming to achieve.

*several others want to get dream jobs that they'd be extremely lucky to get.

By far the best example is Media Design Schools. Watch C4 and you'll see several schools advertising their school each ad break. I read some statistic (though you've always got to be cautious with them but I can believe this one) somewhere (brilliant citation, I know) saying 6% of Media School graduates get a job in the field. Cripes.

If I was to go to Uni, it would be to study Physics. However, a Physics teacher at my Dad's school told my Dad that only the top 5% of graduates get a job as a researcher. The rest become Physics teachers, teaching sex ed to year 11's. Fuck that shit, fuck that shit to hell.

This is why I decided to go to Weltec. I've always been a more hands on person and always found it easier to do something rather than learn from a book. However I've now been made to feel like an idiot that's wasted their time since I didn't go to Uni. I'm just another working class shmoe.

Fuck it, my bike looks mint now, and that's all that really matters :D

[Coyote]

(Yep, nerds like myself and Coyote may end up taking the reins one day. Looking forward to rebuilding after the economic carnage to come. Opportunities and niches will be rife).
Oi! Watch who you call a nerd! You may be right, but still, geez! :p

[SARGE]

http://jobs.nzherald.co.nz/job/view/ftfvxg/

[Naki Rat]

Okay. Starting to think on the same wavelength :scratch:


By far the best example is Media Design Schools. Watch C4 and you'll see several schools advertising their school each ad break. I read some statistic (though you've always got to be cautious with them but I can believe this one) somewhere (brilliant citation, I know) saying 6% of Media School graduates get a job in the field. Cripes. Yep, and there's also pretty limited demand for people with doctorates in bone carving :doh:

If I was to go to Uni, it would be to study Physics. However, a Physics teacher at my Dad's school told my Dad that only the top 5% of graduates get a job as a researcher. The rest become Physics teachers, teaching sex ed to year 11's. Fuck that shit, fuck that shit to hell. Think outside the square - An ability in physics can go a long way towards an engineering qualification. Competitive field but a profession that can be learnt at tech while working. If it suits you can do an engineering degree somewhere down the line. Use your strengths to their best advantage.

[SARGE]

theres always the dwarf porn industry

[vtec]

Oi! Watch who you call a nerd! You may be right, but still, geez! :p

Coyote, you are total nerd, look at all the arcade games your are the champ of... nerd. Hehe, that's worse than me. You would love the look of my living room at the moment. 3 desktops 1 laptop 2 tvs 3 printers and one stereo to plug into the desktop with several thousand mp3s on it.

Newest of the desktops is about 5 years old, so I'm not skiting about the value of my equipment, just the nerdiness of it, and 2 of the desktops are in pieces and I only know that 1 of the 3 printers works. The laptop is a nice new one got last year in Aussie for $450AUD. They're very cheap over there.

[balans]

When I read the first post I thought you were refering to Welltec, not Weltec.
As of last Moday I am now looking for a job too. Oil at under $40 a barrel is hitting the service company I worked for pretty hard.


There's a lot of bullshit aimed at sucking you in. The majority of my friends are now at Uni doing courses they either:
- don't know what job they can get from it.
- don't expect to get a job out of it and just want to learn for fun.
- wanting to avoid the real world for a while longer so continue to study.
- feel as though they were expected to go.
- they were enticed by the party lifestyle in Otago.
- and several other reasons I've since forgotten.



If I was younger and mortgage free I would use the current world financial sitiuation as a good excuse to do more study, I bet that masters programs will be pretty full this year.

Uni is fun when you are young, I was in my late 20's when I went unfortunatly.

What you say about uni is part true. But I wouldn't worry too much about studying to get a particular job, you will be amazed at the career choices you will have at the end of your degree, stuff you never even considered before you started. Especially with something like engineering (plenty of physics). And if it's hands on that you want there are plenty of grad jobs that involve field work if thats what you are after. Especially in Oil and Mining, many spend more time wearing PPE than a suit.

[Naki Rat]

Uni is fun when you are young, I was in my late 20's when I went unfortunatly.

....... Especially in Oil and Mining, many spend more time wearing PPE than a suit.

Nothing wrong wrong with doing the Uni thing as a 'mature' student. My most respected work colleague and mentor did his survey degree after having spent a number a years in hands-on work. Learning the theory when you already have years of practical experience under your belt can make for a far wider skill base than would otherwise be the case. And a few years of maturity gives you a far better perspective on the world and your intended place in it.

I spend enough time around the oil industry to know it is knee deep in engineers, screaming out for good ones and makes or breaks graduate engineers very quickly. If you know your stuff, and can handle the pressure, you can go far fast.

[Coyote]

theres always the dwarf porn industry
Sadly I'm not a dwarf.

Coyote, you are total nerd, look at all the arcade games your are the champ of... nerd. Hehe, that's worse than me. You would love the look of my living room at the moment. 3 desktops 1 laptop 2 tvs 3 printers and one stereo to plug into the desktop with several thousand mp3s on it.

Newest of the desktops is about 5 years old, so I'm not skiting about the value of my equipment, just the nerdiness of it, and 2 of the desktops are in pieces and I only know that 1 of the 3 printers works. The laptop is a nice new one got last year in Aussie for $450AUD. They're very cheap over there.
Being the arcade king doesn't necessarily class me as a nerd. I'm just good with my hands.

That is impressively nerdy. I'm fortunate to be using a newer computer, but it's still very much outdated. And I'm using a 9 year old keyboard that has turned yellow and I still have the 9 year old computer speakers pumping my beats which have to be moved around to get both speakers working. And it's my parent's computer, not mine.

[Coyote]

When I read the first post I thought you were refering to Welltec, not Weltec.
As of last Moday I am now looking for a job too. Oil at under $40 a barrel is hitting the service company I worked for pretty hard.

If I was younger and mortgage free I would use the current world financial sitiuation as a good excuse to do more study, I bet that masters programs will be pretty full this year.

Uni is fun when you are young, I was in my late 20's when I went unfortunatly.

What you say about uni is part true. But I wouldn't worry too much about studying to get a particular job, you will be amazed at the career choices you will have at the end of your degree, stuff you never even considered before you started. Especially with something like engineering (plenty of physics). And if it's hands on that you want there are plenty of grad jobs that involve field work if thats what you are after. Especially in Oil and Mining, many spend more time wearing PPE than a suit.
What's Welltec?

I'm keen to get into work rather than continuing to study just so I can get some money behind me.

I'm pretty keen on engineering and I might just do that. However I need to be 21 first since I didn't get Uni entrance.

[Naki Rat]

What's Welltec?

I'm keen to get into work rather than continuing to study just so I can get some money behind me.

I'm pretty keen on engineering and I might just do that. However I need to be 21 first since I didn't get Uni entrance.

Welltec (http://www.welltec.com/) - all those computer skills and you've never heard of Google :doh:

No UE is not an issue. What's the point of heading off to varsity to clock up debt doing something you may not even be suited to when you could be getting paid work experience from day 1, working on some relevant tech qual's and possibly be looking at your employer sponsoring part of your Uni studies later if you show promise?

Large companies provide scholarships, include block courses in employment contracts and generally pull strings to help the right people. Again it's about supply and demand - lack of graduates being addressed by putting resources into the system that produces them. It may not be as obvious as apprenticeships or cadetships but it works just the same, while effectively putting the onus and wasted effort of sorting out the chaff back on the tertiary sector.

[SARGE]

Sadly I'm not a dwarf.
.

WORLDS TALLEST DWARF..

ya gotta have a hook son....

[balans]

No UE is not an issue. What's the point of heading off to varsity to clock up debt doing something you may not even be suited to when you could be getting paid work experience from day 1, working on some relevant tech qual's and possibly be looking at your employer sponsoring part of your Uni studies later if you show promise?


I was studen loan free within 6 months of graduating, and had a deposit for a house within a year. It all depends on your priorities, a student loan can be a very good investment in your future.

A degree or similar qualification not only gives you the knowledge you learn from your classes but also demonstrates your ability to stick with something and an ability to absorb and use information. Even with my engineering qualification I've used very little of specific subjects I learnt while at uni, it was the 'soft' skills like time management, meeting deadlines, problem solving, group project management, professional and technical writing skills etc... that I've found really valuable.

A lot of big companies require a degree to get your foot in the door for the traning you mentioned. In my experience you tend to move a lot faster in a graduate development programme than working your way up from the shop floor. But I suppose it all depends on the individual, the industry you go into, and the economic climate at the time.

Some companies websites have a page with profiles of their senior managers like this: http://www.fletcherbuilding.co.nz/about/seniormgmt.aspx
It's a good way to learn about other peoples paths to success and get an idea of the value of different life experiences.

A solild trade is also a very good way to go, as is the military if you are that way inclined.

[HungusMaximist]

Nice thread.


I fully agree with Balans on his post, I've been getting a lot of people saying to me that having a degree these days is a like having a drivers licence to drive, it's like a ticket to get yourself through the door. Dependent on what industry you get into some companies won't even look at your application if you don't have a degree or a qualification. A lot of the times it's the self-discipline, personal development and life skills that you learn through your studies that matters the most because whatever the technical knowledge you gain or the fancy academic results you have, it's only going to matter a small fraction to the interviewer.

These days especially with the bigger corporations, psychometric testing and personality tests has become a huge part of the recruitment process to determine if the new recruit is gonna be happy chappy and integrate well with the others staff. It's nothing new because nearly every job ad will mention that they're looking for an excellent communicator, good people skills, written skills, etc....

All I can give is that you gotta keep pro-active (positive thinking bro!) in life and look at it this way money, wealth, happiness, and women are just by products of your personal success and will naturally gravitate towards you because of it.

[vtec]

Nice thread.
All I can give is that you gotta keep pro-active (positive thinking bro!) in life and look at it this way money, wealth, happiness, and women are just by products of your personal success and will naturally gravitate towards you because of it.

Dated this super hot chick the other day, she said she was attracted by "ambition" to me that means she's not looking for someone to be happy with she's looking for money... gold digger. And sadly you're right. I have most fun and am happiest when I'm not working. I look at so many poor bastards who have been ruined by their ambition and their determination to climb the corporate ladder, it takes the spark out of them, and replaces it with often ruthless joylessness. More generalisations... Sorry, I think I'm the generalisation king.

[Naki Rat]

Dated this super hot chick the other day, she said she was attracted by "ambition" to me that means she's not looking for someone to be happy with she's looking for money... gold digger.

When I was 14, I hoped that one day I would have a girlfriend.

When I was 16 I got a girlfriend, but there was no passion, so I decided I
needed a passionate girl with a zest for life.

In college I dated a passionate girl, but she was too emotional.
Everything was an emergency; she was a drama queen, cried all the
time and threatened suicide. So I decided I needed a girl with stability.

When I was 25 I found a very stable girl but she was boring. She was
totally predictable and never got excited about anything. Life became so
dull that I decided that I needed a girl with some excitement.

When I was 28 I found an exciting girl, but I couldn't keep up with her. She
rushed from one thing to another, never settling on anything. She did mad
impetuous things and made me miserable as often as happy. She was great
fun initially and very energetic, but directionless. So I decided to find a
girl with some real ambition.

When I turned 31, I found a smart ambitious girl with her feet planted
firmly on the ground and married her. She was so ambitious that she
divorced me and took everything I owned.

I am now older and wiser, and am looking for a girl with big tits.

:bleh:

[vtec]

Oh well I'm unemployed no longer, they want me back at the courier company on the bicycle. I've told them its only short term though. But I'm really excited about being back. I love being a bicycle courier.

[Naki Rat]

Oh well I'm unemployed no longer, they want me back at the courier company on the bicycle. I've told them its only short term though. But I'm really excited about being back. I love being a bicycle courier.

:2thumbsup Can't beat working in something you have a passion for, and you get to impress all those receptionists with those lycra bike pants :crazy:

[Coyote]

I am now older and wiser, and am looking for a girl with big tits.

:bleh:
Oh good, I'm on the right track already :laugh:


To be totally honest I think I'm at the first stage you said :rolleyes:

[Max Preload]

When I was 14, I hoped that one day I would have a girlfriend with big tits...

<snip>

I am now older and wiser, and am looking for a girl with big tits.

I think that's how it's supposed to go.

[Naki Rat]

Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
When I was 14, I hoped that one day I would have a girlfriend with big tits...


I think that's how it's supposed to go.

I don't remember being that fussy at 14 :buggerd:

[Coyote]

I don't remember being that fussy at 14 :buggerd:
At that age, a lingerie catalogue is enough. :laugh:

[HungusMaximist]

Dated this super hot chick the other day, she said she was attracted by "ambition" to me that means she's not looking for someone to be happy with she's looking for money... gold digger. And sadly you're right. I have most fun and am happiest when I'm not working. I look at so many poor bastards who have been ruined by their ambition and their determination to climb the corporate ladder, it takes the spark out of them, and replaces it with often ruthless joylessness. More generalisations... Sorry, I think I'm the generalisation king.

Hmm, yea just like anything in life, quality women with a good heart are out there but it needs a good digging out.

Best way I have found to meet quality women is joining social/interest groups that you enjoy and plus a lot of them are attended by mostly women (dancing, yoga, pilates, organics group, jogging, book club, wine tastings, film club). Because the atmosphere is more relaxed as opposed to a bar/club (where women expect to be approached and usually have their bitch shields on full alert.) as you start off having common grounds, and plus it's always a great conversation starter when have something in common to talk about.

Sorry if I am deviating a bit. Just wanted to point out a few of my experiences. My philosophy It's all about getting up there with a high hit rate and finding quality, however hitting the bars/club can be a very enjoyable experience if you can work the crowd and have fun chatting up the women rather than getting out there trying find action and relation.

Back to what I was saying about money, wealth, and women naturally gravitating towards you when you're successful and pro-active as a byproduct. Because you see human traits such as ambition, happiness, charm are all contagious. Ever met a driven person with such a desire to succeed in life and business that his charm and words just oozes out of him and captivates you in his world? And you wonder how the fuck do I get a slice of that?

Fuck, I can say I've experience aplenty of this....

[SARGE]

Best way I have found to meet quality women is joining social/interest groups that you enjoy and plus a lot of them are attended by mostly women (dancing, yoga, pilates, organics group, jogging, book club, wine tastings, film club). Because the atmosphere is more relaxed as opposed to a bar/club (where women expect to be approached and usually have their bitch shields on full alert.) as you start off having common grounds, and plus it's always a great conversation starter when have something in common to talk about.


it helps if you actually enjoy (dancing, yoga, pilates, organics group, jogging, book club, wine tastings, film club).. otherwise .. when you DO hook up with that hottie at the yoga class, and she drags you out to the book club on that sunny day when youd rather be out ripping the tyres off the bike .. youre gonna hate her .

head to the car shows , MX parks, etc ..

westie chicks will be there in droves..

[Max Preload]

Best way I have found to meet quality women is joining social/interest groups that you enjoy and plus a lot of them are attended by mostly women (dancing, yoga, pilates, organics group, jogging, book club, wine tastings, film club).

I reckon I'd strangle any woman that likes that sort of crap inside of a week, along with any woman who watches the (substitute for) Living Channel.

'Organics group'? What sort of people worry about that sort of shit? Neurotic, scrawny, mousey librarian sorts, I expect. That said, I think I'd like to meet them, just for my own amusement. Where can one find these 'organics' groups? :wari:

[HungusMaximist]

I reckon I'd strangle any woman that likes that sort of crap inside of a week, along with any woman who watches the (substitute for) Living Channel.

'Organics group'? What sort of people worry about that sort of shit? Neurotic, scrawny, mousey librarian sorts, I expect. That said, I think I'd like to meet them, just for my own amusement. Where can one find these 'organics' groups? :wari:

Haha neurotic...

Like I said, that's where you'll meet the most women as they are popular activities with women, however it was a generalisation, but you'll be surprised in what you meet.

Not stopping you going to car shows, drags, rock concerts, tattoo parlours, rock climbing and no doubt there's women there but the chances of finding heaps is another story...

[Squiggles]

Like I said, that's where you'll meet the most women as they are popular activities with women, however it was a generalisation, but you'll be surprised in what you meet.

The salsa school on Durham street (http://www.hispanicclub.co.nz/) is always in need of men, can be a bit of fun too :)

[Str8 Jacket]

So, back to the original question; anyone know about any jobs available?

Dont you mean "anyone know about any jobs available, that I want to do?"

If you want to work, you will.

[Coyote]

Dont you mean "anyone know about any jobs available, that I want to do?"

If you want to work, you will.
What I really want is completely different. But I'm not gonna start moaning (anymore than I already have) in this thread.

I've made myself know at a few other panel shops, and got a few others to go to. I should be employed soon enough with any luck. However luck hasn't been with me in recent times, and I'm sure work and income will force me into McDonalds tomorrow.

[MisterD]

If I was to go to Uni, it would be to study Physics. However, a Physics teacher at my Dad's school told my Dad that only the top 5% of graduates get a job as a researcher. The rest become Physics teachers, teaching sex ed to year 11's. Fuck that shit, fuck that shit to hell.

Nah, that's bollocks. Most of us are sick and tired of "academia" by the time we graduate...from my class more have ended up doing sales and marketing type roles in various technical industries, such as Telecoms (me)...

[Coyote]

Nah, that's bollocks. Most of us are sick and tired of "academia" by the time we graduate...from my class more have ended up doing sales and marketing type roles in various technical industries, such as Telecoms (me)...
That's a point. So going to uni wasn't worth it in the end?

Just got a letter from Work and Income saying "blardy blardy blah, fucks sakes, yardy yar, get here at the time you booked your important doctor's appointment that you've desperately been waiting for". Frustrated, I said to my parents "can I please come off the dole now so I don't get harassed any further" and they said "no, we need the money".

They bought a $500 DVD recorder yesterday.

[MisterD]

That's a point. So going to uni wasn't worth it in the end?

Depends how you define "worth it" really. I had a good time, learnt some really cool mind-blowing type stuff (Paul Davies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Davies) was one of my lecturers - we used to give him sh1t about nicking stuff from Stephen Hawking:2thumbsup).

I wouldn't be doing the job I'm doing now (which I do enjoy), if I hadn't been to uni and got my degree...but, if I had my time again, I'd be a sparky.

[vtec]

That's a point. So going to uni wasn't worth it in the end?

Just got a letter from Work and Income saying "blardy blardy blah, fucks sakes, yardy yar, get here at the time you booked your important doctor's appointment that you've desperately been waiting for". Frustrated, I said to my parents "can I please come off the dole now so I don't get harassed any further" and they said "no, we need the money".

They bought a $500 DVD recorder yesterday.

Haha, that's what annoyed me about my parents. Charged me $200 a week for living and eating at home, and were always upgrading cars and motorbikes losing tens of thousands at a time, and keeping me on the breadline while failing to do the sensible thing and pay off their mortgage. Now mum's redundant, dad's got limited working life left, and they've still got a mortgage. Also, they were really controlling, so I lasted 1 month after I got back living in the room on the side of their garage before I packed my shit and left. Think they really could use my board money now too, but it's just not livable for me anymore. They'd had it far too good for far too long. They never foresaw the possibility that one day it might be hard to make their mortgage repayments.