China 250cc 4 stroke

[mx4life]

hey i bought a new china 250 if i was going to race it would the gngine blow

[cheese]

It should last at least one race.... the everything should fall off.....

[laserracer]

or may fall off before the race

[laserracer]

What sort of racing ..??

[B0000M]

assuming its a hummer- id say from past experience the rest of the bike would fall apart well before the engine blows up.


what are you planning to race against?

[B0000M]

or may fall off before the race

past experience has shown more things fall off hummers whilst on the trailer than on the track,

tent pegs also make efficient footpeg pins

[DELLORTO]

a hummer wouldnt be able to keep up with any jap or euro bikes apart from maybe a pw50 or jr50 even then jr's and pw's will be able to out live a hummer by about 20 years.....

[B0000M]

oh.

welcome to KB!! :headbang:

[naughtygirl]

Could be a Lifan...DODGY bikes i tell ya!
Best to buy somthing decent...like a Yamaha :)

[laserracer]

MMMMMMM.... YAMAHA..:drool::drool:I like the way this girl thinks...but she is naughty..:2thumbsup

[oldskool]

You guys are soooo mean, give the guy a break, but then again, I reckon MX4Life is yanking your chain with an opening like that


...he's already racing against the peewee class!:laugh:

[barty5]

Sure it ill race your wallet in to the ground as youll allways be racin the the china part department if they even have in. You could race out and buy a jap or euro bike might cost a bit more but at least youll be able to race the bike instead od the spanners. A good set a gear wrench spanners work well you can race them as well.

[laserracer]

if it was me i would approach the china bike race team and see if they will take you on as a pro rider:gob::scooter:

[dmoney]

WOULD THE ENGINE BLOW, fucken aye it will blow

[SARGE]

hey i bought a new china 250 if i was going to race it would the gngine blow

the question should be....



hey i bought a new china 250 if i was going to race it would the gngine start?

[courts]

hey i bought a new china 250 if i was going to race it would the gngine blow

Is this gngine you speak of new chinese technology?
Regardless of gngine or engine - either way parts disappear from my experience.:cry: will end up like this......

[takitimu]

hey i bought a new china 250 if i was going to race it would the gngine blow

Unlikely, though be a good call to get some ( alot of ) loctite & go for broke.

A certain pair of Pro enduro riders up here have a Chinese bike & they have tried with admirable commitment to break it & been unsuccessfull, they've damn near done a "Top Gear" on it & the thing still keeps going.

The one thing I would say though is Chinese bike is a pretty broad term, might pay to say what particular brand.

[B0000M]

the bike in the profile info is a 2007 hummer, hence why i assumed it was one

[denill]

The one thing I would say though is Chinese bike is a pretty broad term, might pay to say what particular brand.


Think #1 was just fishin Nigel. :sleep:

[Atomic]

Could be a Lifan...DODGY bikes i tell ya!
Best to buy somthing decent...like a Yamaha :)

I think she meant to say "Suzuki"

[cheese]

I think she meant to say "Suzuki"

No no, only time decent comes into a a sentence with the work Suzuki is

"I sold my suzuki and bought something decent"

[takitimu]

Think #1 was just fishin Nigel. :sleep:

Happy New Year :), I see Whib's is still looking good, have not caught up with Mitchell since the Bel Ray, but curious to see what he says.

Regarding the china baiting, it was for sure fishing, it just kind of frustrates me the impression some people have that all Chinese goods are crap, when I was a kid it was Japanese, then it was Taiwanese, now it's Chinese, they've all changed as they matured & China will be no different.

[oldskool]

Regarding the china baiting, it was for sure fishing, it just kind of frustrates me the impression some people have that all Chinese goods are crap, when I was a kid it was Japanese, then it was Taiwanese, now it's Chinese, they've all changed as they matured & China will be no different.

Fully agree with yah and although China are at that point where they hold a strong market share (through sales volume of crap) they have yet to move onto the next market growth phase of brand loyalty and considering improving their quality - that part of capitalism they haven't adopted yet.

[xxblackbirdxx]

hey i bought a new china 250 if i was going to race it would the gngine blow

Forget racing it, It might blow if you rev it. Seriously mate , Take the advice, get on something tried and tested. Hell for that money you could get a decent KDX. You could race ,trail ride it and it would outlast most of us. In case you have already bought it.....please accept my apologies

[denill]

Happy New Year :), I see Whib's is still looking good, have not caught up with Mitchell since the Bel Ray, but curious to see what he says.

Regarding the china baiting, it was for sure fishing, it just kind of frustrates me the impression some people have that all Chinese goods are crap, when I was a kid it was Japanese, then it was Taiwanese, now it's Chinese, they've all changed as they matured & China will be no different.

Yeah, very best wishes to you also Nigel.

Yeah you are absolutely right. The term was of course 'Jap Crap' and at the time it was right. But hey, didn't that change.........
(Harley riders still use the term - but that' cos they feel inadequate, eh.)

Whibs? Looking strong and relaxed, eh. Bring on 2009.

PS: See Knighter got past Taddy after a bad start - then the BeeEmm clutch blew...............

[DELLORTO]

No no, only time decent comes into a a sentence with the work Suzuki is

"I sold my suzuki and bought something decent"

hay suzuki is better than honda:mad:!!! at least suzuki can STILL make 2 smokers!!!

[oldskool]

hay suzuki is better than honda:mad:!!! at least suzuki can STILL make 2 smokers!!!
I have a suzuki and a Honda and they are both broken.

[takitimu]

Fully agree with yah and although China are at that point where they hold a strong market share (through sales volume of crap) they have yet to move onto the next market growth phase of brand loyalty and considering improving their quality - that part of capitalism they haven't adopted yet.

Keep an eye out for Chinese company BYD Auto ( 10% owned by Berkshire Hathaway aka Warren Buffet ), they could easily be the leader when mainstream Electrical cars hit the market.

Oh one other thing, ever heard of Lenovo :) ( In case you haven't, Chinese company that bought IBM's PC business a few years & are starting to really innovate ).

I guess what I am saying is I think that in an economy the size of China's there cannot be a generalisation, some elements are where you say they are, but others are alot further ahead than you give them credit for.

[oldskool]

Keep an eye out for Chinese company BYD Auto ( 10% owned by Berkshire Hathaway aka Warren Buffet ), they could easily be the leader when mainstream Electrical cars hit the market.

Oh one other thing, ever heard of Lenovo :) ( In case you haven't, Chinese company that bought IBM's PC business a few years & are starting to really innovate ).

I guess what I am saying is I think that in an economy the size of China's there cannot be a generalisation, some elements are where you say they are, but others are alot further ahead than you give them credit for.

Granted nothing is 100% pure. Us end users can only go by first hand experience not an academic detachment.
Your examples sound to me like strategic offshore investment initiatives rather than homegrown industrialisation.

[B0000M]

hay suzuki is better than honda:mad:!!! at least suzuki can STILL make 2 smokers!!!

honda probably still can, they just dont.

on the plus side for honda, they are about 7-8 years ahead of suzuki in technology anyway so it may only become an issue some time around 2014

[DELLORTO]

7-8 years of what?? i dont think having the colour red counts.....:nono:

[Atomic]

honda probably still can, they just dont.

on the plus side for honda, they are about 7-8 years ahead of suzuki in technology anyway so it may only become an issue some time around 2014

I dont follow the race circuit but Honda must be podium finishing strides ahead of Suzuki! Infact, 7-8 years...Suzuki must not have have finished anywhere on the leader board in the last 5 years.

Im shocked that my Suzuki dealer sold me such an out of date piece of shit :angry2:

Now to top it off, Suzuki are trying to talk there product up and lying about winning manufacturers points series!!! There is no way they could of done this, they are 7-8 years behind Honda!

2008 MX1 Manufacturer Points
1 Suzuki 587
2 Yamaha 583
3 KTM 575
4 Kawasaki 518
5 Honda 470
6 TM 43
7 Aprilia 23

[DELLORTO]

ive had several suzuki's and they are very very nice bikes and they are a gud price.....travis pastranna rides a suzuki and so do lots of top mx riders....so they cant be as bad as you say they are!

[B0000M]

i didnt recall mentioning which manufacturer had the best riders in their team....

suzuki , revolutionising the 2 stroke in 2009 with their revolutionary STEEL frame


i even spoke to a 'head of crew' of a sponsored suzuki rider recently who thinks they are rubbish, an that everything is 'fucked' so much faster than the previous seasons on yamahas, his comment was that they just dont last like the other makes, but whever's giving out the best sponsorship deals wins this rider's ride. of course they are priced accordingly - cheapest jappa. but he still said if he were buying bikes again it would be without a doubt a honda or yamaha

[oldskool]

hay suzuki is better than honda:mad:!!! at least suzuki can STILL make 2 smokers!!!
I don't know how you can say that when Suzuki went through a bad patch financially and had to lower their quality and opt for cheaper manufacture and volume sales and they made a decision to rebadge Kawasaki's rather than forge ahead with R&D and innovation.
Isn't Honda still the largest Japanese motorcycle manufacturer?

[clmintie]

Chortle, snigger... The MC manufacturers must get a big laugh out of all this 'who's best' talk. Not only have they convinced individuals to buy their product, but also to defend them..... Tis a somewhat bizarre world we live in.........:lol::rolleyes:

[B0000M]

Chortle, snigger... The MC manufacturers must get a big laugh out of all this 'who's best' talk. Not only have they convinced individuals to buy their product, but also to defend them..... Tis a somewhat bizarre world we live in.........:lol::rolleyes:

nah, im not defending anyone, i just dont like suzukis and hummers and other similar bikes :laugh:

[oldskool]

Chortle, snigger... The MC manufacturers must get a big laugh out of all this 'who's best' talk. Not only have they convinced individuals to buy their product, but also to defend them..... Tis a somewhat bizarre world we live in.........:lol::rolleyes:
me's a stirring the pot, you fence sitter you :lol:

[laserracer]

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[Atomic]

Chortle, snigger... The MC manufacturers must get a big laugh out of all this 'who's best' talk. Not only have they convinced individuals to buy their product, but also to defend them..... Tis a somewhat bizarre world we live in.........:lol::rolleyes:

Dont take my previous post too seriously, was just piss taking.
I can assure you I did not purchase based on MX1 points etc.
I bought the best deal.


i didnt recall mentioning which manufacturer had the best riders in their team....

suzuki , revolutionising the 2 stroke in 2009 with their revolutionary STEEL frame


i even spoke to a 'head of crew' of a sponsored suzuki rider recently who thinks they are rubbish, an that everything is 'fucked' so much faster than the previous seasons on yamahas, his comment was that they just dont last like the other makes, but whever's giving out the best sponsorship deals wins this rider's ride. of course they are priced accordingly - cheapest jappa. but he still said if he were buying bikes again it would be without a doubt a honda or yamaha


I agree! All brands have alloy frames available from their thumper range so why dont they throw the 2stroke in the alloy frame rather than continue to manufacture steel crap...? KTM are still R&Ding but still no alloy frame? I guess that comes down to the Austrians budget.

Myself, much like most recreational riders are no faster or slower between Yellow Red Blue Green...so it comes down to $$$. Hence why I buy Suzuki. I have never had an issue with my bikes "not lasting" and im pretty sure nothing on my Suzuki is "fucked" ???

Im not brand biast by the way, even looked at a Honda for my second MXer because I liked the twin pipes but was a bit too pricey for me.

[DELLORTO]

Dont take my previous post to seriously, was just piss taking.
I can assure you I did not purchase based on MX1 points etc.
I bought the best deal.




I agree! All brands have alloy frames available from their thumper range so why dont they throw the 2stroke in the alloy frame rather than continue to manufacture steel crap...? KTM are still R&Ding but still no alloy frame? I guess that comes down to the Austrians budget.

Myself, much like most recreational riders are no faster or slower between Yellow Red Blue Green...so it comes down to $$$. Hence why I buy Suzuki. I have never had an issue with my bikes "not lasting" and im pretty sure nothing on my Suzuki is "fucked" ???

Im not brand biast by the way, even looked at a Honda for my second MXer because I liked the twin pipes but was a bit too pricey for me.

i agree, the none of the jap brands are crap.......their all gud jsut some have more expensive parts on them..ect its the chinese bikes which can have issues......

[oldskool]

grrr clmintie you just caused us all to retract our Jappo pot stirring!!!
Oh well it's back to slagging off the china bikes again!

[B0000M]

dam those crappy chinese bikes lol

[kezzafish]

just to add a point to the pot... Suzuki will not be making another 250 2T. the current one is the last one

[DELLORTO]

i guess 2t are dying out........ktm still make 2t's like its 85' tho.....:wari: haha

[kezzafish]

yeah and KTMs are HEEEAPS faster than hondas especially 2pokeass hondas

[DELLORTO]

id say ktm are pretty much the fastest bikes......and that shows colour dosnt make you go faster......:clap:

[kezzafish]

definately and without a doubt

[theblacksmith]

All makes of bikes break down and wear dont they?
I noticed on the Waiouru Army trail ride last year that the army hold Kawasaki 650's(if thats anything to go by). They obviously have some pointers to go by when they buy products - reliability being one of the main factors I should imagine.
It would be interesting if a company like John Deere or Caterpillar start producing dirt bikes - and just how much R&D they would put into a project to come up with a winner.
Anyone have any experience of what the BMW dirt bikes are like?
The quality of engineering that comes out of Europe is just as good (maybe better) as what the Japs can offer I'd say.And who knows - maybe in 5 yrs time the Chinese brands will be on the international MX circuits. If they want to succeed in the market they will have to evolve and improve their product( I have visions of Chinese team running around picking up bits of bike all over the track at the moment lol)!Imagine the commentator shouting that Villopoto has been knocked out by a flying luxury exhaust pipe!
By the way - hows the bike going mx4life?

[laserracer]

Flying luxury exhaust pipe..:lol::lol: Those bmw's look nice but i dont know about that countershaft sprocket shaft thats part of the swingarm , might be a prick to work on ,
i dont know for sure,.. but part prices may be an issue $$$$$

[denill]

Those bmw's look nice but i dont know about that countershaft sprocket shaft thats part of the swingarm , might be a prick to work on ,

That of course provides perfect chain adjustment - no matter the position of the rear wheel. :yes:

[cheese]

Ha ha brand fight!

This is all second hand info that I've heard. I'm not Wikipedia, not that that is very accurate often anyway with its 600 words being added per minute.

I think that Honda is the largest engine manufacturer in the world, not just Japan.

Also I was told that the Suzi Kawa merge on the 04 and 05 4 strokes was to try and catch up to Yami and Honda.

Steel frames - also from what I've been told, some people like them better (not me!!) as they have more flex. I'd rather have something that doesn't rust thanks. Also most bikes are Ali cause Steel is really expensive in Asia now? Not sure about that one. Don't know about KTM, but they are chromoly (spelling??).

One of the Chinese bike manufacturers are currently working with Honda (I think) and are racing a bike in the Japan (I think) MX series. I think that it was doing ok and making reasonable places - I saw it on the internet somewhere so it must be real...... LOL

[warewolf]

I noticed on the Waiouru Army trail ride last year that the army hold Kawasaki 650's(if thats anything to go by). They obviously have some pointers to go by when they buy products - reliability being one of the main factors I should imagineGovernment contracts, especially military ones, often have quite complex administrative requirements and fiddly modifications behind the sale. It's not necessarily anything to do with the product, and all to do with documentation etc. The US military uses KLRs (some are built in the USA, which helps to explain the Americans' fascination with them) so it was probably very easy for Kawasaki & the military here to say, "we'll have some of those, please" rather than go through the whole process with a different bike.