Our own worst enemy

[dangerous]

Yip, a rant thread...
I have come to the conclusion that we the motorcyclists, are our own worst enemy... now of course I'm not saying we all are but the arse's out there end up getting us all tarred with the same brush.

I went for a quick spin this morning and was returning on the flat between the Black Tulip and Titapu... coming towards me over a few k's of road was a bunch of mainly harley's and Triumph's, I am asuming its a organised ride by the local HD shop Rolling Thunder.

I was accosted by fuck wits crossing the center line, bikes leaned well over the center and riders sitting on the center and none making an effort to move for the oncoming traffic (I was behind 2 slow going cages) for several bends, 2 bends out from where the fatal was at xmas which again was caused by ' riders' on the wrong side of the centre line. A Rocket3 came at me and the cars missing me by millimeters.

Now whats with this attitude in group rides were riders suddenly become bulletproof, the pack mentality sets in... hell why should any of them move over or at least get into 2 abreast not 3... christ theres more of them so why should they I suppose.

My point here is bike head ons is becoming very common and theres usually only one end result.
So when will we pull our heads in.. I expect it will happen only when insurances etc are so high we cant afford to ride, when the general public gets so fucked of with idiots that cant ride for shit and take on the stupidest passing manuovres.

IMO, I think its down to 2 different bereads of riders, 1st the young, on too powerful bikes for their skill level, they have always been there and always will till the GVT does something about licencing.

The other are born again riders, due to the economy being great over the last few years have had spare money to spend on toys and why not go back to there teen years and jump back on a bike, only bikes have more power, theres more traffic and they still think they are 25.

So all up I guess nothing will change and the motor biker will continue killing themselves... just prey they dont involve me in there fucked up riding habbits.


To date in 2009 every FIVE days a biker DIES

[Elysium]

There seems to be a few bad people in bike clubs these days, mainly on Harlies and Triumphs. I heared from a couple of riders in Otago that some members of the Ulysses club like to ride their bikes at around 180(on Harlies of all bikes :crazy:) and seem to act like maniacs at times. I know one guy who rode with them a couple of times and didn't like the riding attitude of some of the riders.

Don't get me wrong here, a lot of group memebers are safe riders but there are those that bring shame upon their fellow riders with stupid acts.

Most of all dam Harlies wont wave! :nono:

[Squiggles]

IMO, I think its down to 2 different bereads of riders, 1st the young, on too powerful bikes for their skill level, they have always been there and always will till the GVT does something about licencing.

The other are born again riders, due to the economy being great over the last few years have had spare money to spend on toys and why not go back to there teen years and jump back on a bike, only bikes have more power, theres more traffic and they still think they are 25.


Theres a third type too, those that believe there are only two groups who cause trouble.

[Ixion]

There seems to be a few bad people in bike clubs these days, mainly on Harlies and Triumphs. I heared from a couple of riders in Otago that some members of the Ulysses club like to ride their bikes at around 180 and seem to act like maniacs at times. ..

Fuck me! Up here the usual complaint is that they ride so slow that whole generations of spiders set up home in webs between their wheels and the road. Is why I've never joined up. 180 clicks, maybe I ought to join them after all.

[Katman]

just pray they dont involve me in their fucked up riding habits.

Amen.

(+10)

[dangerous]

Theres a third type too, those that believe there are only two groups who cause trouble.
If there is only 3... which group do you belong to then?

Or rather than answer that how about some constructive critasisem or do you like to be knowen as 'another crazy motorcyclists' as the Police said in a local rag?

May be I should have stuck this thread into the Akaroa GP thread, as it is kinda a continuation... this being after seeing the lack of riding ability today I can see why the public and police call us 'crazy motorcyclists' and 'us types'
I myself dont like that at all.

[Katman]

It's a sad fact that we now have to look out for the fuckwit motorcyclists on the road as well as everyone else.

[Macontour]

I have been thinking the same! Im a bornagain biker having been away from bikes for 8 years and have only had my Duc 3 months. I love the Thursday night Thrash....I mean ride and really enjoyed the Opononi trip but if we saw car drivers driving the way most of us ride, we would call them "boy racers" and recommend they get locked up!

We have more than enough power(usually) to overtake anytime however some of us still feel the need to pass on double yellows or around blind bends when if we waited another few seconds, the way would be clear and we could do it safely and reasonably legally.

I go out of my way to acknowledge any car driver who moves over for me as I hope that it somehow compensates them for the howl of carbon Termignonis in their ear!!!

We do need to look inwards occasionally and assess the way we are viewed by Mr and Mrs Public.

[dangerous]

thank you Macontour, that is more politley my point
good to see Im not actually alone here and want the general public to look at bikers in a more favoured light, and... for more of us to see another year. :scooter:

[Squiggles]

If there is only 3... which group do you belong to then?

There are more than 3, Without a doubt many will look to the top right of my posts and put me in group 1 ;)


Or rather than answer that how about some constructive critasisem or do you like to be knowen as 'another crazy motorcyclists' as the Police said in a local rag?

Change will come about by a shift in perception among bikers, when such behaviour is frowned upon. There will always be some out there who'll do it anyway (just like drink driving) but the more we look down on such riding, perhaps the less it'll happen. Personally, i wont ride north on thursday nights...

[dangerous]

but the more we look down on such riding, perhaps the less it'll happen. That being my reason for starting another grisley thread... if it aint said, nothing can/will change. :beer:

[Katman]

if it aint said, nothing can/will change.

I'm feeling all warm and runny inside.

:msn-wink:

[mikeey01]

Sorry I'm not a word smith, but........

At present I am seeing it almost every day over the summer months, I'm either on the bike or in the cage :(
I live near the start line for the Akaroa GP and listen to them going for it once they cross it!
I am a bornagain biker, know my limits aren't what they use to be, understand it and live by it. What I can't believe is what some riders are doing now on the road :weird:
I ride Pasta Machines (always have) :) If I wanted to have some serious fun I'd go to a track day and stretch the legs their, not on the god dam road!

Last week, the most recent...
A Hardley rider decided to take me on in a 60 area, pulled along side me, revved the clunker and took off... I thought to myself you must be jokeing... then his following three mates past me like a bat out of hell, with little room between us. Why I wondered...I'd given them most (80%) of the farken lane, was sitting a tad over 60 myself and when I rounded the corner they were nearly half way down the road, passed at least five cagers like they past me.
They obviously couldn't wait to start at the start line, as they were nearly at the Akaroa GP start line!

We do need to look inwards occasionally and assess the way we are viewed by Mr and Mrs Public.
+1 Yes I agree!

As for those mormon few I actually thought they started off funny but their latest vid is crazy..... mormon few cbr1000r test.. arr great I thought.. it'll be a laugh.. NOT!
Borrow a bike from a shop for a test ride, rape the fark out of it, scare goodness knows how many cagers, pop the odd mono around shops etc make a vid and folks think this is great?
I don't see the humour in that sorry, nor do I think it's entertainment. Take it to the track for christ sake before someone gets hurt!
Don't the bike shops around them know what they do / are doing?
I only hope that the ppl that need to know are aware of it and are taking notes....

What does shit like that do for us?
What does the local jerry have in store for us?
A big wide broom and tar all with the same brush?
How long is it going to take before someone says, enough is enough?
Rest assured if it goes on like it is, it'll end up affecting us all :(

[Daffyd]

Well said!

[mstriumph]

unfortunately, whilst the police have tunnel-vision about speeding being the great satan there'll be few resources to spare for the sort of sensible police-patrolling that would pick up and stamp on the fuckwits among us ....... :angry2:

[shafty]

I agree totally. Seems the funerals and headlines don't 'register' with some people; I agree with Dangerous's theory that there is a huge arrogance with SOME born again riders - heaps of ego involved. I'm just grateful to return home safely from each ride, as well as enjoying it ofcourse.

Last year I took the rare opportunity of doing the Coro loop on the ST, but not treating it as a racetrack. I read that something like 70 other bikes were doing the loop, - as a group. Physics mean't I probably only saw 50 of them, but it was a matter of keeping left and out of their way as the passed from behind.

Thats what track days are for Guys...........

Ride safe Fellows Bikers

[PrincessBandit]

There are a very few very vocal members on this website who have copped a whole heap of shit for saying the very things you are pointing out in this thread. Good on you, but be prepared to develop a thick skin.

[oldrider]

What is it that the Christians like to say?

"Let he/she who is without sin, cast the first stone" :ride: Amen, John.

[Headbanger]

What is it that the Christians like to say?



Don't let that fecking lion eat me......

[Ixion]

What is it that the Christians like to say?

"Let he/she who is without sin, cast the first stone" :ride: Amen, John.
What is it that the Christians like to say?

"A witch. A witch. Burn him. Burn him " :ride: Amen.

[oldrider]

What is it that the Christians like to say?

"A witch. A witch. Burn him. Burn him " :ride: Amen.

Hmmm, quite a chatty lot aren't they and most of them get onto the organisations that make rules for the "bad" boys/girls! :ride:

Unfortunately most of them (Zed's gang) are really just a :grouphug: of :tugger:'s. (IMHO) John.

[my-bonaventure]

with your grammatical prowess, insinuations and accusations I do hope that there is no hypocrisy on your behalf, and that you consistently ride to the conditions, to the speed limits of our roads, and save your racing and fancy maneuvers for the track days .......... or rally's ...........

[JMemonic]

Never done the Akaroa GP, don't intend to, I will wander over there at my own pace mid week but never in the weekends, too many idiots out in cars and on bikes.

Some folks seem to watch the latest race and believe they are Rossi or Stoner etc then take this to the road, others the B.A.B. or even the weekend fair weather warrior that grew up in the vicinity of what ever 1% MC club was down the road and around the corner and across the street from them and now owns a bad ass bike as was used by said group thus feels that they are now in that select group.

Realisation is the key, realisation that the road is not a track you can not take the same lines as the professionals do, if they want to race there is plenty of track race classes that they could spend their time in should they desire, hell get a bucket I know a few who will be trying their hand a that.

Realisation that the the club they now wished they had joined is non existent now, and they most likely would not have ever made it through to getting a patch, they are non existent as most of the members have either died or had to join another club as the attitudes die out.

Unfortunately this situation will not change in any hurry, attrition will take care of a section of the second group slowly but surely as the younger set seem to more into the buzzy bees? or what ever the hell they are, importing American gangsta crap, thus will be more into gold plated dentures and enough chrome on their walking frames to act as airport beacons once they get older.

Don't despairer to much though there are those coming through with smarts to get on with riding and enjoying it safely. well within reason.

[karla]

I agree 100% with others here. There is some good news - I've had a few friends lately who have done some serious thinking this summer, and have actually slowed down, enough that it is a real pleasure riding with them. :Punk:

But passing is still a major problem. I generally stay at the back, since I ride so carefully and slowly. Being a TEC is that I get to see and judge those in front of me making not so well calculated passing manoevours, and that scares the hell out of me.

I don't understand what the big hurry is ... there will always be a straight after a few corners - why can't we wait another five minutes until we have full view of the road before passing? I've done it myself ... peeked out to pass and had a car bearing down on me, so that I needed to aim for the gap. I believe it happened because I was "in the zone"; my riding was flowing, the curves were all melting away, the sun was shining, some gorgeous guy had looked at me with a twinkle in his eye, and I was on my way to becoming a biker God.

It's those moments isn't it, when we are invincible, that trouble strikes and we are ego-deflated. Better a burst bubble that we can learn from, and a bruised ego that slows us down and makes us think twice next time, than leaving a mess for someone else to clean up. If only we didn't have such short memories. :pinch:

[JMemonic]

with your grammatical prowess, insinuations and accusations I do hope that there is no hypocrisy on your behalf, and that you consistently ride to the conditions, to the speed limits of our roads, and save your racing and fancy maneuvers for the track days .......... or rally's ...........

Oh no D did not pass your spelling and grammar standards, the message is rather plain and simple, stick to your lane, and have a little common sense, this section of road recently claimed three lives in one crash, no where did he say I am an angel, trust me he isnt, but he is considerate and knows his limits, yes he does keep his track manoeuvres to the track, and in his way he is willing to pass on knowledge to others, can you claim the same.

[my-bonaventure]

Oh no D did not pass your spelling and grammar standards, the message is rather plain and simple, stick to your lane, and have a little common sense, this section of road recently claimed three lives in one crash, no where did he say I am an angel, trust me he isn't, but he is considerate and knows his limits, yes he does keep his track manoeuvres to the track, and in his way he is willing to pass on knowledge to others, can you claim the same.

I agree ......... if we all stuck to our lanes, correct riding lines and speed limits, looked ahead correctly and rode with our brains and not testosterone then the statistics would surely change ............. I am considerate, know my limits and learnt along time ago about the difference between road riding and track racing. I am no angel and have learnt the hard way (occasionally) but I have no problems seeking professional advise/input from those suitably qualified to pass on there knowledge in an appropriate manner (without all the expletives .......... cos believe me I too can F*#@*n swear inappropriately too)

[mister.koz]

I see the common retort "What about you and what you are doing"

Which is a little dissuasive of the initial point.

All bikes over 100cc (and indeed some below) have the power and the inclination to surpass the speed limit and some do it quite well.

I think its all about mindset really, I figure that I will ride how I want to ride unless other people/cages/bikes/sheep etc are near, then i just give them lots of room and remind myself the road was not built for only my enjoyment.

I don't mean lets all :hug: and live in a happy land where the rivers flow chocolate and everything is peachy, quite the opposite. I would rather be obvious and out of people's way as safely and quickly (if required) as possible because lets face it, idiots are still breeding and there is evidence of that in full force out there on the road.

I figure getting a safe distance away from other vessel's on the road is the only way to enjoy riding and make it interesting.

Riders always tell me with that nostalgic twinkle in their eye "On a bike, its not about the destination, its about the journey"... hell why would you do 200km/h+ and risk your limbs and your baby to get somewhere faster? Does that not shorten the journey?

I do exceed the speed limit and I have made mistakes on the road where the viewing motorists would have called me a bloody idiot, possessed by the fumes and the roar of a fairly powerful engine. The point still stands, the road is full of idiots, and I work hard to not be near them or become one.

[dipshit]

I have come to the conclusion that we the motorcyclists, are our own worst enemy...

The editor of Bike Rider magazine has come to the same conclusion as well after travelling the Coromandel roads over the holidays. (Feb 09 issue)

[Oakie]

I believe there will always be idiots on bikes who do dangerous stuff for the thrill of it. No-one else will ever change these dicks. That change will have to come from inside them ... be it from growing up ... considering their family ... getting a severe wake-up call or whatever.

I'd suggest all we can hope for is to show the general public (and those with the potential to make biking more expensive) that the bulk of us are sensible and that we have the same disdain for the idiots amongst us that they do. Unfortunately that can't be achieved just by us going about our business quietly as by it's very nature, that behaviour doesn't get noticed.

We have to do something more than just talk in forums or all behave ourselves as individuals if we want to remove the growing public perception that we are all idiots. We need to DO something that will be noticed...

[rocketman1]

Great for the TV one news at 6.00pm when they meet a bunch of riders doing the same thing coming the other way.... albeit on the white line !!

[JMemonic]

I believe there will always be idiots on bikes who do dangerous stuff for the thrill of it. No-one else will ever change these dicks. That change will have to come from inside them ... be it from growing up ... considering their family ... getting a severe wake-up call or whatever.

I'd suggest all we can hope for is to show the general public (and those with the potential to make biking more expensive) that the bulk of us are sensible and that we have the same disdain for the idiots amongst us that they do. Unfortunately that can't be achieved just by us going about our business quietly as by it's very nature, that behaviour doesn't get noticed.

We have to do something more than just talk in forums or all behave ourselves as individuals if we want to remove the growing public perception that we are all idiots. We need to DO something that will be noticed...

Unfortunately Oakie the general public fail to notice good behaviour, its not just motorcycles where this occurs but some of us might be doing something right I have noticed more of the caged population this year moving over to give room for bikes to pass.

This is where a national organisation with bikers interests and the ear of the politicians could help, hell fisherman and hunters formed a political party to get a message across, sadly no such organisation exists, and when it did some areas were no more than drinking clubs with a motorcycle problem (from my understanding), mind you with kb here and the ability for all opinions to be viewed who knows?, hope is eternal.

[dangerous]

with your grammatical prowess, insinuations and accusations I do hope that there is no hypocrisy on your behalf, and that you consistently ride to the conditions, to the speed limits of our roads, and save your racing and fancy maneuvers for the track days .......... or rally's ...........

I asume as you have not quoted anyone that you are talking to me?

If so then...
I am not the best speller, nor at grammer, but that doesnt have much to do with my riding. Insinuations & accusations: these are real situations i see everyday, not just wild imaginings. I ride a lot so get to see a lot.
Yes sometimes I do exceed the speed limit, i dont deny that. BUT the conditions of the time determine how I act, if it is busy I dont. I attempt to never cross the centreline, cos it really is the simplest way to die (as well as simplest way to avoid dying) on our roads, by hitting something coming the other way.

I do race on the track, where everyone understands the 'rules' so to speak... we expect fast & close passing, but the road is not the place for it. If I am concerned by people cutting corners, imagine what grandma and mums/dads with kids feel?


What is it that the Christians like to say?

"Let he/she who is without sin, cast the first stone" :ride: Amen, John.

I dont quite agree... we all have some blame BUT if we dont discuss it and simply brush it off, then by the same token we are condoning it... accepting that it is just what we have to live with when we ride.
We dont and shouldn't have to accept that it is just something that some people do.

[fireliv]

Yip, a rant thread...
I IMO, I think its down to 2 different bereads of riders, 1st the young, on too powerful bikes for their skill level, they have always been there and always will till the GVT does something about licencing.

The other are born again riders, due to the economy being great over the last few years have had spare money to spend on toys and why not go back to there teen years and jump back on a bike, only bikes have more power, theres more traffic and they still think they are 25.


Completely agree with you on most of this D, and the Akaroa GP is a typical place where a lot of crap riding occurs (as seen over chirstmas). My only thing seams to be that the deaths are the group 2 riders over the young guys on sports. From what I have seen young guys on sports crash more but old guys seam to kill themselves more.

[scumdog]

Change will come about by a shift in perception among bikers, when such behaviour is frowned upon. There will always be some out there who'll do it anyway (just like drink driving) but the more we look down on such riding, perhaps the less it'll happen. Personally, i wont ride north on thursday nights...

I do look down on it - and I'll tell them to their face (and no, not just when I'm working).

The life you save may be your own by telling somebody in a polite but to the point way how their riding is not the safest.

If it is a genuine unarguable criticistm only a loser will deny it/argue back.

[scumdog]

What is it that the Christians like to say?

"Let he/she who is without sin, cast the first stone" :ride: Amen, John.

Sadly John some riders just plain don't realise they are 'sinning' - or the danger of said 'sin':no:

[scumdog]

with your grammatical prowess, insinuations and accusations I do hope that there is no hypocrisy on your behalf, and that you consistently ride to the conditions, to the speed limits of our roads, and save your racing and fancy maneuvers for the track days .......... or rally's ...........

Ya go trouble decyphering/understanding Dangerese or something???:msn-wink:

[Oakie]

Unfortunately Oakie the general public fail to notice good behaviour.

Exactly my point (well one of them anyway). We need to find a way to shove in their faces that most of us aren't the idiots they perceive us to be.

[slofox]

Not every "born again" rider rides like a lunatic...some of us buy bikes that suit our abilities and take it easy as we get used to the new technology...some of us have a social conscience that allows us to think what we could do to others - and not do it.

[chester]

There seems to be a few bad people in bike clubs these days, mainly on Harlies and Triumphs. :nono:

Its not just people on Harlies and Triumphs. :bash:

[dangerous]

Its not just people on Harlies and Triumphs. :bash:
No its not, and mabe more so in Nelson... but for Chch I can say that the increase in harleys and Triumphs has increased dramaticaly.
From what I see (and remember I ride with SEVERAL triumphs) theres a group on these bikes that fancy themselves as wana be bad arses... by this I mean dressed in black on black bikes with a open face black lid and black scarf with black glasses... and there attude and ridding skills or there part lack of is "fuck the rest of yous"
It seems that they are middle to later aged men reliving god knows what... the post earler from mikeey01 (post #13) is a excelent axample I see that shit evey day.
This was also most of the group I had issues with yesterday.


btw I ride black bikes and black riding gears :scooter:

[scumdog]

btw I ride black bikes and black riding gears :scooter:

Phew!

Thought you were getting at me D.!!:sweatdrop

[chester]

I ride a black triumph and wear black gear and are in my thirtys, what are you getting at? Have I bought the wrong bike? Now im being branded with having a bad attitude,cos the way I look? I still feel you need to include all types of riders and styles of bikes in your rant.:yes:


Not every "born again" rider rides like a lunatic...some of us buy bikes that suit our abilities and take it easy as we get used to the new technology...some of us have a social conscience that allows us to think what we could do to others - and not do it. How true that is......:Pokey:


my 2c

[dipshit]

I ride a black triumph and wear black gear and are in my thirtys, what are you getting at? Have I bought the wrong bike? Now im being branded with having a bad attitude,cos the way I look? I still feel you need to include all types of riders and styles of bikes in your rant.:yes:



No one has any problem with people wanting to play dress-ups to look bad ass.

It's people that ride with "I'm a bad ass" attitude that cause problems.

[Lazarus_sv]

Have to say I agree that unfortunately there are a few dickheads out there who get all of us a bad rep, but it isn't any one age group or bike type thats to blame - you often hear about ricers and italian bikes being chasen by the cops at speeds up to and above 200km/h, although I also witnessed some very scary riding recently by some guys on Harleys in Central Otago overtaking on doubly yellows through the Kawarau Gorge near Cromwell. i think this is because most bikes have so much power just a twist of the throttle away. I often get a second look from the police even when minding my own business cruising along at the speed limit - presumably purely coz I'm on a bike as I'm certainly not doing anything stupid (usually).

[Tony W]

with your grammatical prowess, insinuations and accusations I do hope that there is no hypocrisy on your behalf, and that you consistently ride to the conditions, to the speed limits of our roads, and save your racing and fancy maneuvers for the track days .......... or rally's ...........

Did you mean "manoeuvres" and "rallies" by any chance ?
Sure bad English can get annoying...but...
check your own inadequacies before giving anyone shit about theirs.

How embarrassing is that...?

DANGEROUS, that is a good post.

[dangerous]

I ride a black triumph and wear black gear and are in my thirtys, what are you getting at? Have I bought the wrong bike? Now im being branded with having a bad attitude,cos the way I look? I still feel you need to include all types of riders and styles of bikes in your rant.:yes:


Not every "born again" rider rides like a lunatic...some of us buy bikes that suit our abilities and take it easy as we get used to the new technology...some of us have a social conscience that allows us to think what we could do to others - and not do it. How true that is......:Pokey:


my 2c

ok ill repeat my self... You seem to b strugling to understand, hell I even said I ride black bikes and dress black, and believe ir not as I said I ride with black Triumphs... dont freak Im not getting at you.

If you are concerned at being "being branded with having a bad attitude" help do something about it instead off sounding all paranoid.


No one has any problem with people wanting to play dress-ups to look bad ass.

It's people that ride with "I'm a bad ass" attitude that cause problems.

thankyou...

Ya see at the end of the day there is proberly nothing any of us can do about it, fate will have its own way... but ya know what, unlike a lot of people Ill say something hoping to make a differance even if it dosent at least I can say 'I tried'
And all because I want to see bikers and bikes thrive... not die.

[scumdog]

No one has any problem with people wanting to play dress-ups to look bad ass.

It's people that ride with "I'm a bad ass" attitude that cause problems.

Oh-kay.... so it's alright for me to keep wearing my skull-mask then???:innocent:

[Ixion]

Oh-kay.... so it's alright for me to keep wearing my skull-mask then???:innocent:

The skull mask is fine. But the tassels have to go. They give all of us a bad reputation.

[dangerous]

Oh-kay.... so it's alright for me to keep wearing my skull-mask then???:innocent:
YES.. as its a defnit improvment as to what we would have other wise to look at :2guns:
Agree with the tassles...

[scumdog]

YES.. as its a defnit improvment as to what we would have other wise to look at :2guns:
Agree with the tassles...

Pfffft!

Yer all jealous - and tassles enhance yer riding ability anyway.....:girlfight:

[Owl]

Pfffft!

Yer all jealous - and tassles enhance yer riding ability anyway.....:girlfight:

As long as you're not riding a Triumph Scumdog, you can keep your tassles!:msn-wink:

[MotoGirl]

I also agree with most of what's been said in this thread. I can’t see bikers becoming any safer because so many just refuse to admit they’re doing anything wrong.

I'm the first person to admit that an element of risk adds to the exhilaration you get from riding. Unfortunately, some folks can’t balance the risk (and associated enjoyment) with riding safely and courteously. I, personally, am unable to ride at the speed limit (or what’s deemed to be a “safe” speed) and still have fun at the same time. I’m either going too fast or getting bored out of my tree.

Obviously, I’d ride a lot faster if I had complete disregard for the safety of myself and other road users, but I’m just not that daft and I appreciate my mortality. Although I have the most fun around 130-140, I don’t do it because there are just too many risks. I never want to do something so irresponsible that I put Cajun in a position where he has to ride home without me – it’s just not fair.

Why anyone deliberately puts themselves at risk, I really can’t comprehend. Why do riders pass on blind corners with double yellow lines, especially when they know the road and there’s a straight around the corner? Having a death wish is what it boils down to.

Yes, and before you start screaming hypocrisy, I used to hoon on certain roads but now it doesn’t take my fancy. In fact, riding on public roads doesn’t take my fancy – there are too many bloody obstacles and they’re out to kill me. I’ve accepted that I can’t enjoy riding on the road without being considered “dangerous” so it’s just a case of finding a decent track day to take the RSVR to.

[carver]

As for those mormon few I actually thought they started off funny but their latest vid is crazy..... mormon few cbr1000r test.. arr great I thought.. it'll be a laugh.. NOT!
Borrow a bike from a shop for a test ride, rape the fark out of it, scare goodness knows how many cagers, pop the odd mono around shops etc make a vid and folks think this is great?
I don't see the humour in that sorry, nor do I think it's entertainment. Take it to the track for christ sake before someone gets hurt!
Don't the bike shops around them know what they do / are doing?
I only hope that the ppl that need to know are aware of it and are taking notes....



pussy...
our old vids were worse, the next vid might be a bit less wild, if we get the 09 R1 in our hands it will be the most wild yet-trust me.

[dangerous]

yip, and it keeps getting worse... from the woodstock thread


Ahh yes the truck driver at Springfield...not a happy camper at all, and who could blame him? Being passed on blind corners, being given the fingers for not letting bikes past when its not possible to do so, huge speeds when passing. Well done people. :(


Though on the ride over on the Saturday there was a bit of carnage with a Daytona deciding to straighten out a bend just past Porter's :confused: the rider got a free flight back to ChCh with possible back injuries.

And then not far past Otira a some muppet decided to take on a Car on a single lane bridge :slap: not good seeing a bike partially hidden behind a roadworks truck and the soles of the pillions High Heels & a Helmet left at the roadside :no:

[carver]

yip, and it keeps getting worse... from the woodstock thread

good to hear it, il make sure my next few are alot worse

[1 Free Man]

Theres a third type too, those that believe there are only two groups who cause trouble.
Yeah I bet I piss him off. I'm new to riding and I'm an old cunt of 55. I bet he's about 25-28, and knows very fucking thing about life as well and is totally bullet proof.
Ah!.... to be young dumb and full of cum.

[Mikkel]

Yer all jealous - and tassles enhance yer riding ability anyway.....:girlfight:

Maybe it's a compensation for one of the HD's weak points - braking.
Tassles -> More drag -> Higher airbraking effect.

Just a thought. :)


yip, and it keeps getting worse... from the woodstock thread

Winter will be here soon - that ought to calm everyone down a bit. :cold:

[vifferman]

I was accosted by fuck wits crossing the center line, bikes leaned well over the center and riders sitting on the center and none making an effort to move for the oncoming traffic
I had exactly the same experience last weekend. Sadly, once again, the group riding was a bunch of cruiser riders. Only one of them was right on the centre line, but it was on a bend, so his upper body was right in line to hit a truck coming the other way. Luckily, it was only me, and I was driving well to the left.

[MaxB]

On Anniversary w/end I took the old man down to Gisborne for a cruise round his old haunts. He's pushing 70 and still rides his Bandit but these days its mainly for commuting. Hence we were taking it slow eg 100 till he found his feet.

On SH2 around the new bit nr. Maramarua there were 2 sets of roadworks one posted 80 and one at 30. We were joined in amongst the cages by a bunch of 250/400 racer rep types.

I pulled over 'cos there wasn't much room but instead of staying put in the space I made they all went for bulk overtaking manoeuvres (tm) before the upcoming roadworks.

The first few got past but the tailenders were stuck trying to force their way through. I'd estimate the overtaking speed to be 120-130 ish into the oncoming traffic. The problem was they didn't know when to quit and at least half of them were 40-50 clicks over the speed limit when they hit the roadworks which BTW were now double yellows.

My electonics told me there was a cop nearby and sure enough he came round the curve 30 secs later. None of these bozos could see round the curve before overtaking so were that close to risking a months walk. No radar either.

God knows what the cagers thought. The lack of judgement and basic skills was what worried me. You know the stuff that helps to keep you alive.

[elevenhundred]

I'm no angel when it comes to riding but I knew a guy who used to scare us with the stuff he would do when we were on rides. He eventually removed himself from the gene pool, I wasn't surprised but I felt bad for his family.
I'm happy to risk my own safety but on the road there are too many other people who could become victims of your actions so I keep it to the track.

[SPman]

I've been on a KB Coro ride where the standard of road behaviour (regardless of technical skills) worried me so much I didn't hang around on the return and high tailed it back home by myself.

Some of those riders are no longer with us............:no:

[HenryDorsetCase]

The skull mask is fine. But the tassels have to go. They give all of us a bad reputation.

but a bad reputation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RAQXg0IdfI) can be sooooo sexy!

[scumdog]

Yeah I bet I piss him off. I'm new to riding and I'm an old cunt of 55. I bet he's about 25-28, and knows very fucking thing about life as well and is totally bullet proof.
Ah!.... to be young dumb and full of cum.
Who are you refering to?

cos that description sounds like carver to a T

[carver]

I'm no angel when it comes to riding but I knew a guy who used to scare us with the stuff he would do when we were on rides. He eventually removed himself from the gene pool, I wasn't surprised but I felt bad for his family.
I'm happy to risk my own safety but on the road there are too many other people who could become victims of your actions so I keep it to the track.

who gives a fuck,most bins wins!


I've been on a KB Coro ride where the standard of road behaviour (regardless of technical skills) worried me so much I didn't hang around on the return and high tailed it back home by myself.

Some of those riders are no longer with us............:no:

i have been on loops with n00bs that ya just know will crash soon, so you sit behind em and put the heat on them to make sure you are there when they do.


but a bad reputation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RAQXg0IdfI) can be sooooo sexy!

in other words, NZ's most notorious stunt crew


Who are you refering to?

cos that description sounds like carver to a T

if you aint met me ya dont know shit about me.

some of yopu old cunts are the worst, get on ya high horse and lecture us, then make n00b mistakes and almost/do bin

but

most bins wins!

[dangerous]

Yeah I bet I piss him off. I'm new to riding and I'm an old cunt of 55. I bet he's about 25-28, and knows very fucking thing about life as well and is totally bullet proof.
Ah!.... to be young dumb and full of cum.
As SD says at the top of the page... whom are you refering?



who gives a fuck,most bins wins!most bins wins!
wins what? a flash grave stone... good on ya :no:

[NighthawkNZ]

Phew!

Thought you were getting at me D.!!:sweatdrop

2 out of 3 aint bad ;)


Oh-kay.... so it's alright for me to keep wearing my skull-mask then???:innocent:

You mean thats a mask :eek5:


BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE

D... well said, like you I see a fair bit bad decisions by riders... they get away with it once so they try it again, then before they know their luck will run out...


who gives a fuck,most bins wins!

....

most bins wins!

And you are complete idiot ... tell us what do you win... as D said a flash grave stone, highier ACC and insurance, a free visit to the hospital, Some free remorse and grief for your family and few friends you have left,... please tell us what do you win

[carver]

As SD says at the top of the page... whom are you refering?



wins what? a flash grave stone... good on ya :no:

they just win!
they win the MFSC challenge, the prize is a signed binned in helmet.


2 out of 3 aint bad ;)




And you are complete idiot ... tell us what do you win... as D said a flash grave stone, highier ACC and insurance, a free visit to the hospital, Some free remorse and grief for your family and few friends you have left,... please tell us what do you win

its mentioned above, do you want to compete?
you might win!

[T.W.R]

:oi-grr: Flogging a dead horse till the whip is worn out isn't going to work... what you're on about has always been there and always will be there, as the population grows the barrel containing motorcyclists grows and the number of bad apples in the barrel grows accordingly.
Born agains have the spare coin to buy big/new and do so accordingly due to their perception of what is acceptable in the realms of where they want to be, so in reality who's to blame? them?, the seller/dealership who sells to them?, or the barrel that they aspire to be part of?

The motorcycling propaganda machine does more damage towards new/born again motorcyclists and existing bikers than anything else.
The likes of the Moron few, carved-up, & our own delightful ChCh WNRs (which have been tagged by a few of the ChCh shops "Rossi's training crew") set a great perception for the general non-motorcycling public as do the individual Power Ranger imitators, the "I'm reliving Easy Rider" chumps, the Paris Dakar wannabes, & the 2wheeled touring car peeps.

We're all guilty of some thing or another and no-one is spotless, it's human nature to be self-destructive and motorcyclists are no different ;)

:whistle: Though to quote a T-shirt from a significant bikers movie "Bikers Have More Fun Than People" :whistle:

[SPman]

i have been on loops with n00bs that ya just know will crash soon, so you sit behind em and put the heat on them to make sure you are there when they do.

It's all the wasted time standing around looking as though you care and thinking about wasted riding time that ruins it.............so why bother!

[dangerous]

:oi-grr: Flogging a dead horse till the whip is worn out isn't going to work... what you're on about has always been there and always will be there, as the population grows the barrel containing motorcyclists grows and the number of bad apples in the barrel grows accordingly.

So what? I/we stand back and watch our acc/regos go up higher than a high thing... have the cage comunity black list us with those that ride like fuck wits... watch friends get cleaned up by idiot riders that have no care in the world for any ones saftey?


Not me man, I dont mind comming across as a old grumpy bastard, as long as just one rider listenes and changes their behaivior acordingly

[HenryDorsetCase]

in other words, NZ's most notorious stunt crew


!

what, members of the Blackhearts ride motorbikes in NZ?

(did you click the link, numbnuts? know anything about music?)

[carver]

what, members of the Blackhearts ride motorbikes in NZ?

(did you click the link, numbnuts? know anything about music?)

i sure do, but i just had to have my say

[wbks]

When you said who gives a fuck about "too many other people who could become victims of your actions" and most bins wins, do you really not care if you T-bone some random car one day and kill the people in it, or come around a corner in town at 160 and plow over a group of little kids messing around on the road? I don't mean to get all dramatic about it or try to tell you to ride differently but that's the only reason I personally don't bother speeding on the road. A nice part of twisties is hard not to have a play on but nothing too serious for me and I don't go out specifically for a thrash. Not getting on my high chair though, you'll ride as you want, I'm not going to give you shit.

[_Shrek_]

a good post D
In the last 3 years I have seen the riding ability drop a fare bit, part of it is new riders out there that don't know shit about riding nor will they seek help. the other is bikes are faster & cheaper to run & then you have the out right Dick-Heads that over take at 140+ on the inside at peak hour just to turn down a side road 200m from where he did his over taking manuvor & they wonder why people get pissed at them to the point, they follow said rider & have a wee chat :msn-wink:

there are times & place's for riding fast etc... lets start educating our fellow riders :bash: :kick: :Oops: :whistle:

[Richard Mc F]

who gives a fuck,most bins wins!



i have been on loops with n00bs that ya just know will crash soon, so you sit behind em and put the heat on them to make sure you are there when they do.



in other words, NZ's most notorious stunt crew



if you aint met me ya dont know shit about me.

some of yopu old cunts are the worst, get on ya high horse and lecture us, then make n00b mistakes and almost/do bin

but

most bins wins!

some of yopu old cunts are the worst.............HAH MEEEEEEEEEE TO ATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, I enjoyed that ride around coro awhile ago.....u owned this old n00b on his ducati with an ER650?.:eek:...................I blame the friendly maori girl and the homegwown ciggarettezzzzzzzzzz @ the coroglen:shifty:

[carver]

When you said who gives a fuck about "too many other people who could become victims of your actions" and most bins wins, do you really not care if you T-bone some random car one day and kill the people in it, or come around a corner in town at 160 and plow over a group of little kids messing around on the road? I don't mean to get all dramatic about it or try to tell you to ride differently but that's the only reason I personally don't bother speeding on the road. A nice part of twisties is hard not to have a play on but nothing too serious for me and I don't go out specifically for a thrash. Not getting on my high chair though, you'll ride as you want, I'm not going to give you shit.

if kids are messing around on the roads i do 160 on, they have issues greater than me


some of yopu old cunts are the worst.............HAH MEEEEEEEEEE TO ATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, I enjoyed that ride around coro awhile ago.....u owned this old n00b on his ducati with an ER650?.:eek:...................I blame the friendly maori girl and the homegwown ciggarettezzzzzzzzzz @ the coroglen:shifty:

god, did i miss that?
my mate freddy was getting high at every stop, your all good dude, and ya give that duc shit!

[wbks]

Wasn't saying you have issues but kids are idiotic but it doesn't matter how idiotic they are, 'cause it would be you with the blood all over your bike. Not going to go on a rant I just thought it was a different angle to "don't speed you shithead moron you're giving us a bad name so this is why I pay so much for registration". Anyway, carry on people

[carver]

Wasn't saying you have issues but kids are idiotic but it doesn't matter how idiotic they are, 'cause it would be you with the blood all over your bike. Not going to go on a rant I just thought it was a different angle to "don't speed you shithead moron you're giving us a bad name so this is why I pay so much for registration". Anyway, carry on people

i have seen kids get hit by cars before, seen them get thrown up in the air like a rag doll while tires squeal.

all at legal speeds.

so there ya go, its the kids who are at fault, and it is the parents who raise em

[1 Free Man]

Yip, a rant thread...
I have come to the conclusion that we the motorcyclists, are our own worst enemy... now of course I'm not saying we all are but the arse's out there end up getting us all tarred with the same brush....

IMO, I think its down to 2 different bereads of riders, 1st the young, on too powerful bikes for their skill level, they have always been there and always will till the GVT does something about licencing.

The other are born again riders, due to the economy being great over the last few years have had spare money to spend on toys and why not go back to there teen years and jump back on a bike, only bikes have more power, theres more traffic and they still think they are 25.

I agree with the general point that you are making but what makes you come to the conclusion that it is only two groups of riders that are at fault??
I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age. You have condemmed the young and in experienced. You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders. Your own age group is faultless. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I have been on the road riding since march last year. I have clocked up 12,000kms in that time. I have had no near misses, no bins, no problems.
You could blame that on the VL that I ride because it's not a rocket by any means but it can still happily break the open road speed limit.
Call me an old cunt call me a Nana who gives a flying fuck but while your at it call me mature and level headed because that's what I blame my track record on
Now MR. DANGEROUS and 30years old. Do you care to share with the KB community your blemish free track record.??
Yor age group, according to you, is the IDEA age to be a rider. Your not young dumb and full of cum and your not an old cunt with money and a nice bike.
In my limited experience it's that very age group that have tried to blow my mirrors off with their flash passing manouvers. They are the ones that have passed me on blind corners with double yellow line and on coming traffic.
They are the ones that want, NO NEED to show the riding world that their penis is bigger than everyone elses. That their balls are beyond compare.
In closing my friend I would suggest that if you feel inclined to TAR the biking fraternity with stupidity TAR the whole fucking lot with the same brush don't be group selective because the group that you belong to ain't so fucking flash either.
We all can be idiots at times no denial of that young old and the in between.

[98tls]

I agree with the general point that you are making but what makes you come to the conclusion that it is only two groups of riders that are at fault??
I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age. You have condemmed the young and in experienced. You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders. Your own age group is faultless. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I have been on the road riding since march last year. I have clocked up 12,000kms in that time. I have had no near misses, no bins, no problems.
You could blame that on the VL that I ride because it's not a rocket by any means but it can still happily break the open road speed limit.
Call me an old cunt call me a Nana who gives a flying fuck but while your at it call me mature and level headed because that's what I blame my track record on
Now MR. DANGEROUS and 30years old. Do you care to share with the KB community your blemish free track record.??
Yor age group, according to you, is the IDEA age to be a rider. Your not young dumb and full of cum and your not an old cunt with money and a nice bike.
In my limited experience it's that very age group that have tried to blow my mirrors off with their flash passing manouvers. They are the ones that have passed me on blind corners with double yellow line and on coming traffic.
They are the ones that want, NO NEED to show the riding world that their penis is bigger than everyone elses. That their balls are beyond compare.
In closing my friend I would suggest that if you feel inclined to TAR the biking fraternity with stupidity TAR the whole fucking lot with the same brush don't be group selective because the group that you belong to ain't so fucking flash either.
We all can be idiots at times no denial of that young old and the in between. :beer:Ds 30? Wasnt last time we hooked up,far from it.He is though a cunt though he does however ride a nice bike,no matter what your interpretation of his meaning by posting this thread he clearly stated earlier that if just one took notice in a positive way then all is good.His intention was pretty clear and what your interpretation of it has to do with anything is well...:beer:

[JMemonic]

You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders.

No he did not, he pointed a finger at the born again riders, the ones who have held a licence for many years and a full at that how have returned to riding, who have gone out and purchased a bike larger than their skill set allows (yet they have the licence for), and not up skilled.

He never said he is blemish free or obeys the laws etc what he has asked for is people to display some common sense.

I guess as you are in the older bracket, (by your admission) and just starting out then you feel for some reason you are targeted by this, where as according to D's ideas you are doing the right thing, the roads he has observed these lack of skills on are busy roads whit bikes, cars and camper vans on all in a hurry to get to where they are going with litte regard to on coming traffic or other road users, perhaps you need to re read the original post with out the attitude that he is attacking you and if you still feel attacked well its your interpretation. Older riders are not always stable, mid life crisis, think they are 18 still, and gods on two wheels that's who he is getting at,

[NighthawkNZ]

I agree with the general point that you are making but what makes you come to the conclusion that it is only two groups of riders that are at fault??
I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age. You have condemmed the young and in experienced. You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders. Your own age group is faultless. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I have been on the road riding since march last year. I have clocked up 12,000kms in that time. I have had no near misses, no bins, no problems.
You could blame that on the VL that I ride because it's not a rocket by any means but it can still happily break the open road speed limit.
Call me an old cunt call me a Nana who gives a flying fuck but while your at it call me mature and level headed because that's what I blame my track record on
Now MR. DANGEROUS and 30years old. Do you care to share with the KB community your blemish free track record.??
Yor age group, according to you, is the IDEA age to be a rider. Your not young dumb and full of cum and your not an old cunt with money and a nice bike.
In my limited experience it's that very age group that have tried to blow my mirrors off with their flash passing manouvers. They are the ones that have passed me on blind corners with double yellow line and on coming traffic.
They are the ones that want, NO NEED to show the riding world that their penis is bigger than everyone elses. That their balls are beyond compare.
In closing my friend I would suggest that if you feel inclined to TAR the biking fraternity with stupidity TAR the whole fucking lot with the same brush don't be group selective because the group that you belong to ain't so fucking flash either.
We all can be idiots at times no denial of that young old and the in between.

Ummm I suggest you go back and actually read what he said... then re-read it

[98tls]

Ummm I suggest you go back and actually read what he said... then re-read it For fucks sake dont encourage him.

[Ixion]

Has anyone actually MET these so-dreadful Born Again riders?

I have not.

I HAVE seen some very dubious riding by riders (usually on large crusiers) who, it appears on investigation have never held a class 6. And who will not submit to the indignity of being a learner again

That is quite a different thing to a returning rider.

Much is made of the "technological advances" of modern bikes, and how the despised Born Agains "can't control them".

What technical advances ?

If the Born Again is in his forties, he probably started riding in the era of the big two strokes RZ500 etc) or the early in line fours GS1000 and the like. (Assuming that then he was young and probably couldn't afford a new bike)

Now, they may not have been as fast as a GSXR1000 K8. But they were certainly fast enough to kill you down dead. And, in the case of the two smokers, a shit load harder to ride. 200 kph is 200kph , whatever the technology.


And the other technology advances, better brakes, better tyres, better handling - why should they CAUSE crashes? Surely they make the modern bike easier to ride than a thirty year old one , not harder .

So how come the rider who survied an RZ500 is so out his depth on a modern bike.

I don't believe it. All the returning riders I've encountered have had the sense to ease back slowly - usually on something like a 600.

Sure, there's bound to be the odd exception, there's alwasy a nutter. But I don't believe there is a BAB problem.

It's a Never Been a Rider problem.

[jrandom]

I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age.

mister dangerous? Thirty?

Bahahahahahaha snort.

Finally, ladies and gentlemen, it would appear that we have located a KBer who ages even worse than I do.

[T.W.R]

So what? I/we stand back and watch our acc/regos go up higher than a high thing... have the cage comunity black list us with those that ride like fuck wits... watch friends get cleaned up by idiot riders that have no care in the world for any ones saftey?


Not me man, I dont mind comming across as a old grumpy bastard, as long as just one rider listenes and changes their behaivior acordingly

Yeah and good on you for doing so, but the target species of riders are always going to be there no matter what's said or offered to them, it's a percentile figure that increases with growth unfortunately.
You can talk to some people till you're blue in the face but they'll still go away and do those core things because it's engrained in them.

[1 Free Man]

my apologies MR. DANGEROUS it was "chester" who said he was in his thirties. I have been told you are in you forties so I can take it from that, that you are entering into the Mature years and you don't do silly shit on the road any more. Just think another 10 years and you can buy yourself a nice cruiser.

[dangerous]

my mate freddy was getting high at every stop, your all good dude, and ya give that duc shit!
man I hope you are taking the piss, if not then your 'mate' is one of societys bigest LOSERS, leave it at home.

[AD345]

Has anyone actually MET these so-dreadful Born Again riders?

I have not.



I'm one (a BAB).

Nice to meet ya

Jumped straight back in to motorcycling by buying a 1640cc cruiser after 19 years of not owning a bike. In the intervening years I didn't ride at all until last year when I rented a Harley on a couple of occasions.

There's a scary thought - no riding for nearly 20 years and I can ride straight out the door on a Harley that someone else owns (PLUS it was my first time on a Harley). I could feel random acts of carnage occuring me around as every kilometer unfolded.

The a year later I get the Kingpin - more power and useability (torque) again! I'm pretty sure several small villages were looted and pillaged the instant I turned the key.

Am I a risk on the road? Probably less so than I was 20 years ago on sprotsbikes - but I have my moments.

I understand the OP's point and can empathise with the feeling of venting via internet messageboard.

I don't think it's going to ACHIEVE very much but it can be bloody cathartic.

Now, in the short time that I've been riding again I've spoken to one other biker about the way he was riding - it risked my life. He took it pretty well and is better to ride with.

I guess my question is:

Who has actually spoken to someone about the way in which they ride? Not via the interweb or by yelling abuse - but just by simply pointing out your concern?

You know...

...like an adult.

[dangerous]

I agree with the general point that you are making but what makes you come to the conclusion that it is only two groups of riders that are at fault??I see from another of your posting that you are in fact 30 years of age. You have condemmed the young and in experienced. You have condemed the older and more stable mature riders. Your own age group is faultless. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I have been on the road riding since march last year. I have clocked up 12,000kms in that time. I have had no near misses, no bins, no problems.
You could blame that on the VL that I ride because it's not a rocket by any means but it can still happily break the open road speed limit.
Call me an old cunt call me a Nana who gives a flying fuck but while your at it call me mature and level headed because that's what I blame my track record onNow MR. DANGEROUS and 30years old. Do you care to share with the KB community your blemish free track record.??Yor age group, according to you, is the IDEA age to be a rider. Your not young dumb and full of cum and your not an old cunt with money and a nice bike.
In my limited experience it's that very age group that have tried to blow my mirrors off with their flash passing manouvers. They are the ones that have passed me on blind corners with double yellow line and on coming traffic.
They are the ones that want, NO NEED to show the riding world that their penis is bigger than everyone elses. That their balls are beyond compare.
In closing my friend I would suggest that if you feel inclined to TAR the biking fraternity with stupidity We all can be idiots at times no denial of that young old and the in between.

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaa..........

I dont mean to sound pretentious but...

Mate I am in my 40's
covered an excess of 400.000kms here and in OZ on the road
I have owned 1200cc and Turbos
I still cover 15,000km a summer on the road
I race BEARs, F4 and CAMs... last year alone I won the south Is cup and several other trophys
I have coached may riders that are now faster racers and or beter riders than me.
I have rideen over 100 bike rallys and in all this time non stop riding on the road since 1983 I HAVE seen it all...

SO DONT go spouting off about shit you have no idea about, you have just come across as a prize ...... which Im sure you are not.

Your 11 months and 12,000km's are a joke in comparision... but I am glad you are enjoying the riding and I hope no idiot on a bike takes you out like has become common these days.

[dangerous]

you are entering into the Mature years and you don't do silly shit on the road any more. Just think another 10 years and you can buy yourself a nice cruiser. ohh I do silly shit alright dont you worry... but its a time and place thing... and I will never stoop to a cruiser :Punk:




mister dangerous? Thirty?

Bahahahahahaha snort.

Finally, ladies and gentlemen, it would appear that we have located a KBer who ages even worse than I do.

you farking young wipper snaper, just you wait... man that grey shit you seen on my chin was spilt milk on my nice red gotie from my breakie weetbix ya bloody bugger heheheheeeeeeeeeee :stupid:


No he did not, he pointed a finger at the born again riders, the ones who have held a licence for many years and a full at that how have returned to riding, who have gone out and purchased a bike larger than their skill set allows (yet they have the licence for), and not up skilled.
I USED NEWER AND BORN AGAIN RIDERS AS AN EXAMPLE ISSUES COVE ALL AGES

i have seen kids get hit by cars before, seen them get thrown up in the air like a rag doll while tires squeal.

all at legal speeds.

so there ya go, its the kids who are at fault, and it is the parents who raise em now you are being a fuckwit... that would have to be the weeks bigest cock sucking coment... THEY ARE CHILDREN FFS

[Mikkel]

Mate I am in my 40's
covered an excess of 400.000kms here and in OZ on the road
I have owned 1200cc and Turbos
I still cover 15,000km a summer on the road
I race BEARs, F4 and CAMs... last year alone I won the south Is cup and several other trophys
I have coached may riders that are now faster racers and or beter riders than me.
I have rideen over 100 bike rallys and in all this time non stop riding on the road since 1983 I HAVE seen it all...

Now, don't get me wrong here, this is not taking a dig at you D. I realise you've got your heart in the right place and are just rightly concerned about what you observe. But here's some food for thought:

I have met people, from all walks of life, who have their head in the clouds about how they had done this and done that and going on and on and on about how much experience and diversity they had managed to pick up on their way through life. ...and still, they didn't seem to have learned anything at all from it. At the other end of the spectrum you have people who seem to learn the most from every experience they have. All I am saying is that we vary quite tremendously in how quickly we learn stuff and how we choose to apply it - be it motorcycling or anything else really.

There's always going to be idiots out there - and it doesn't necessarily matter at all how much experience they have, because they might choose not to apply it.
Also, just like sensible people behave like idiots at times - idiots can also behave like sensible people at times.

Get a number of sensible individuals together and put them in a group, mix in a bit of bullshit, a warm day and perhaps a beer or two and you may end up with a group of idiots who don't give a fuck about anyone else - it's more likely than you'd think.

[carver]

man I hope you are taking the piss, if not then your 'mate' is one of societys bigest LOSERS, leave it at home.

nope, all the MFSC have ridden drunk, i had a great time riding while smacked out on E, weaving around the white lines was fun.
who gives a fuck, you dont know him or us, so save your judgement for when you've met us



now you are being a fuckwit... that would have to be the weeks bigest cock sucking coment... THEY ARE CHILDREN FFS

sucking cock aint so bad, try it!

if you hit a child on ya bike or car-regardless of the speed il dig into you, of course it will be a accident, it always is, but its YOUR FAULT.

[wbks]

nope, all the MFSC have ridden drunk, i had a great time riding while smacked out on E, weaving around the white lines was fun.
who gives a fuck, you dont know him or us, so save your judgement for when you've met us


Jesus Christ. My bro and sister's dad was run over and killed instantly when they were about 10 by a drunken fuckwit, and my mum injured sitting on the back of a bike when hit by the same type of idiot, and yet you do all kinds of stupid shit and you're walking around fine.

But who said life was fair:oi-grr:

[carver]

Jesus Christ. My bro and sister's dad was run over and killed instantly when they were about 10 by a drunken fuckwit, and my mum injured sitting on the back of a bike when hit by the same type of idiot, and yet you do all kinds of stupid shit and you're walking around fine.

But who said life was fair:oi-grr:

and...
your right there, i have never killed anyone from my riding.
however

most bins wins

[Dean]

Jesus Christ. My bro and sister's dad was run over and killed instantly when they were about 10 by a drunken fuckwit, and my mum injured sitting on the back of a bike when hit by the same type of idiot, and yet you do all kinds of stupid shit and you're walking around fine.

But who said life was fair:oi-grr:


and...
your right there, i have never killed anyone from my riding.
however

most bins wins

Youve got a dangerous attitude carver , somewhat suicidle.How about you get strapped to a car and get dragged across the road at high speeds to feel the pain other idiots feel when they get all drugged up and become a danger on the road and crash with most likely no gear on.

[carver]

Youve got a dangerous attitude carver , somewhat suicidle.How about you get strapped to a car and get dragged across the road at high speeds to feel the pain other idiots feel when they get all drugged up and become a danger on the road and crash with most likely no gear on.

whats the point in that?
have you ever taken Extacy?

[wbks]

Who gives a fuck who's taken e, I don't give a shit if you haven't killed anyone. The guy that ran an innocent over and left 3 preteen kids without a father had never killed anyone until then either.

Who gives a fuck if he's suicidal, YB. He can drown of ingesting too much semen for all I care. I just get a little pissed when I hear people talk like that. Well, actually bragging about it.

It's just a little aggravating.

To anyone that read this before I edited it, I mean everything I said, but that talk on the net... It's a bit wankerish

[Squiggles]

Everyone can ignore Carver, he's only here to enrage you... Just like skiddy. Does prove Dangerous' point about there being that kind in society

[dangerous]

Everyone can ignore Carver, he's only here to enrage you... Just like skiddy. Does prove Dangerous' point about there being that kind in society
LOL.. yeah, pitty aye



whats the point in that?
have you ever taken Extacy?

If you dont know the answer to that then take all the shit you want cos thers no brain in your skull to kill off

If you cant enjoy life with out certain drugs then you are a wast of space on this earth, Id swap a arse hole like you (thats if in fact you do take drugs and ride) for my dead 29yr old X (cancer) any bloody day... carver, why do the good die young?




Who gives a fuck who's taken e, I don't give a shit if you haven't killed anyone. The guy that ran an innocent over and left 3 preteen kids without a father had never killed anyone until then either.

Who gives a fuck if he's suicidal, YB. He can drown of ingesting too much semen for all I care. I just get a little pissed when I hear people talk like that. Well, actually bragging about it.

It's just a little aggravating.

To anyone that read this before I edited it, I mean everything I said, but that talk on the net... It's a bit wankerish

dont forget there are trolls about, I dont believe SFA what carver says


I have met people, from all walks of life, who have their head in the clouds about how they had done this and done that and going on and on and on about how much experience and diversity they had managed to pick up on their way through life. ...and still, they didn't seem to have learned anything at all from it.
You know me... do you consider me to be one of these people?

My post you quoted, I should add that every day i ride I still learn something, and the day I stop learning will be the day I die.


AND AS WE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE, YET ANOTHER BIKER DIED TODAY :(

[wbks]

Everyone can ignore Carver, he's only here to enrage you... Just like skiddy. Does prove Dangerous' point about there being that kind in societyDoes he expect anyone to react off the site to the stupid shit he types?

[Mikkel]

You know me... do you consider me to be one of these people?

Not at all if I did I wouldn't have bothered quoting you ;).
As I said you have the heart in the right place and are just concerned by what you see - sometimes there's a bit of added vitriol, but that just goes with being passionate about something. And a big thumbs up for that!
Besides, despite what you wrote above, you still have this attitude:


My post you quoted, I should add that every day i ride I still learn something, and the day I stop learning will be the day I die.

Which is very important. Hopefully, we'll all be learning for a good many years yet to come.

[Dean]

nope, all the MFSC have ridden drunk, i had a great time riding while smacked out on E, weaving around the white lines was fun.
who gives a fuck, you dont know him or us, so save your judgement for when you've met us



sucking cock aint so bad, try it!

if you hit a child on ya bike or car-regardless of the speed il dig into you, of course it will be a accident, it always is, but its YOUR FAULT.


i have seen kids get hit by cars before, seen them get thrown up in the air like a rag doll while tires squeal.

all at legal speeds.

so there ya go, its the kids who are at fault, and it is the parents who raise em

Sure most people like to give a bit of shit on forums but carver get this straight you never, NEVER talk like that about children and talk with a disregard for other peoples lifes.Just if your gonna talk shit dont talk about this many kbers have lost loved ones because of idiots like you carver.Or in your case picture your homo partner riding in his bike and you kill him because you were on ecstacy driving wildly, youd have to turn to prison to get your rectum satisfied but youd be the bicth.

[carver]

LOL.. yeah, pitty aye




If you dont know the answer to that then take all the shit you want cos thers no brain in your skull to kill off

If you cant enjoy life with out certain drugs then you are a wast of space on this earth, Id swap a arse hole like you (thats if in fact you do take drugs and ride) for my dead 29yr old X (cancer) any bloody day... carver, why do the good die young?


dont forget there are trolls about, I dont believe SFA what carver says


You know me... do you consider me to be one of these people?

My post you quoted, I should add that every day i ride I still learn something, and the day I stop learning will be the day I die.


AND AS WE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE, YET ANOTHER BIKER DIED TODAY :(

yeah, good answer, coming from someone thats never met me.

do not assume to know me when you dont

everyone and everything dies, get used to it



Does he expect anyone to react off the site to the stupid shit he types?

well, you do a good job.


Sure most people like to give a bit of shit on forums but carver get this straight you never, NEVER talk like that about children and talk with a disregard for other peoples lifes.Just if your gonna talk shit dont talk about this many kbers have lost loved ones because of idiots like you carver.Or in your case picture your homo partner riding in his bike and you kill him because you were on ecstacy driving wildly, youd have to turn to prison to get your rectum satisfied but youd be the bicth.

who said i was riding wildly.
you obviously have never taken e.

im not worried, i can take care of myself

you aint ridden with me either.

next time there is a KB ride that stops at a pub, you should stand at the bar, and police how much people can drink.

like i said, if i kid runs out into the road and your doing 50, and he is 2m in front of you, you will hit him, its just the randomness of it that you cant bet on

[wbks]

I'm not threatening you carver, but your little "and..." thing had me thinking about paying your gixxer a visit with some premix and a lighter rather than bomb skidmark with eggs on his pushbike but I've came to the conclusion A: Half the shit you type is made up while sitting in front of the computer and B: I really can't be fucked driving around Hamilton trying to find a liter gixxer. So yes, I do a good job of reacting

And sure YB, I might have even taken my shirt off... WOOOOO!

[Skyryder]

There are a very few very vocal members on this website who have copped a whole heap of shit for saying the very things you are pointing out in this thread. Good on you, but be prepared to develop a thick skin.

I got plenty to spare. But D knows that.:scooter: I'm sure some can reccommend it too.:shit:


Skyryder

[carver]

I'm not threatening you carver, but your little "and..." thing had me thinking about paying your gixxer a visit with some premix and a lighter rather than bomb skidmark with eggs on his pushbike but I've came to the conclusion A: Half the shit you type is made up while sitting in front of the computer and B: I really can't be fucked driving around Hamilton trying to find a liter gixxer. So yes, I do a good job of reacting

And sure YB, I might have even taken my shirt off... WOOOOO!

haha, good, nice.

alot of what i say is true.

you got a lot of bikes to look for, alot of KBr's have said similar things, and when they meet me its all "how are ya man, pleased to finally meet ya"

why could this be?

[scumdog]

I see some more of our 'worst enemy' have popped up again on the 6 o'clock news.

I guess somebody will find a way to blame cages though........

[wbks]

haha, good, nice.

alot of what i say is true.

you got a lot of bikes to look for, alot of KBr's have said similar things, and when they meet me its all "how are ya man, pleased to finally meet ya"

why could this be?Because you aren't as much of a wanker as you seem on here? Or they're big talkers? I don't care about other people, I just got pissed off that my little post seemed to just make a *shruggs shoulders* so? style post. Most people with a little respect would say something like "I'm sorry that's happened but that wasnt me" and yadayadayada

Anyway, if we met and I didn't have a problem with you it's because I can't be bothered and I'm over it, not scared, as another mormon seems to say people would be. :whistle:

[dangerous]

I see some more of our 'worst enemy' have popped up again on the 6 o'clock news.

I guess somebody will find a way to blame cages though........

I missed that, what happened?

[Katman]

I missed that, what happened?

Just more of the same.

Motorcyclist crosses centre line and has head on with other motorcyclist.

[dipshit]

I missed that, what happened?

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5307388

[dangerous]

Just more of the same.

Motorcyclist crosses centre line and has head on with other motorcyclist.
FARK me... again:mellow:


http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5307388
... deaf ears aye, ya all see what Im winjing on about, and I read the dead is the guy on the CORRECT side of the road... "our own worst enemy"

[scumdog]

FARK me... again:mellow:


... deaf ears aye, ya all see what Im winjing on about, and I read the dead is the guy on the CORRECT side of the road... "our own worst enemy"

Yup, I noticed all the bikes involved in serious bins last weekend were not of the cruiser style, make what you will of that..;)

[dangerous]

Yup, I noticed all the bikes involved in serious bins last weekend were not of the cruiser style, make what you will of that..;)
... your not a menance on the road? :chase:

[idb]

No its not, and mabe more so in Nelson... but for Chch I can say that the increase in harleys and Triumphs has increased dramaticaly.
From what I see (and remember I ride with SEVERAL triumphs) theres a group on these bikes that fancy themselves as wana be bad arses... by this I mean dressed in black on black bikes with a open face black lid and black scarf with black glasses... and there attude and ridding skills or there part lack of is "fuck the rest of yous"
It seems that they are middle to later aged men reliving god knows what... the post earler from mikeey01 (post #13) is a excelent axample I see that shit evey day.
This was also most of the group I had issues with yesterday.


btw I ride black bikes and black riding gears :scooter:

Same, but I'm not born-again, I'm still wearing the same shit I was when I was 20.
I really need to grow up and get some Cordura!!!

[dangerous]

well FARK YA's... well those that said I was a cunt for picking on the born againers.

Who seen 'close up' to night?
last year 0ne biker death every week... this year 16 deaths thats one every FIVE days DEAD and most are 'BORN AGAINS'

Sort ya shit out people or the beter riders amongst us will have to pay the price.

:niceone:

[carver]

well FARK YA's... well those that said I was a cunt for picking on the born againers.

Who seen 'close up' to night?
last year 0ne biker death every week... this year every 16 days, and most are 'BORN AGAINS'

Sort ya shit out people or the beter riders amongst us will have to pay the price.

:niceone:

im starting a thread on it!

[MotoGirl]

Who seen 'close up' to night?
last year 0ne biker death every week... this year every 16 days, and most are 'BORN AGAINS'

Sort ya shit out people or the beter riders amongst us will have to pay the price.

:niceone:

I believe it was 16 bikers have died this year alone so that's one every 5 days. That's absolutely shocking when you think about it.

I'm still adamant that bikers are killing themselves but I think I've got to the point of accepting that people will always be fuckwits so there's no point in carrying on like a broken record.

[carver]

I believe it was 16 bikers have died this year alone so that's one every 5 days. That's absolutely shocking when you think about it.

I'm still adamant that bikers are killing themselves but I think I've got to the point of accepting that people will always be fuckwits so there's no point in carrying on like a broken record.

most bins wins!

finally!

[dangerous]

I believe it was 16 bikers have died this year alone so that's one every 5 days. That's absolutely shocking when you think about it.

I'm still adamant that bikers are killing themselves

I agree, that was the point right at the begining of the thread... we are doing it to our selves, and I will protest because it affects the beter riders amoungest us.. we all will pay in the long run.


Carver... what a dick.

[gammaguy]

i enjoy road riding,which for a person who has done a lot of road racing seems to be unusual.

i am sick and tired of going for a ride to,say.Akaroa,on a sunday afternoon,and being accosted by some perfectly nice person in a shop or cafe and being asked why i ride a motorcycle when all those that do are"idiots"or "maniacs".

I patiently explain that not all riders are like that,and listen to their stories of dickheads overtaking on blind corners,cutting them off,actually hitting the side of their cars in some cases,and also belligerent and aggresive behaviour.

Our public image is tarnished for sure,and it pisses me off that a minority of overconfident,underskilled and downright stupid assholes on bikes are spoiling it for the rest of us.

with a bit of luck they will wipe themselves out/scare themselves to death/write their bikes off /whatever,and leave the roads once again to those of us who take riding seriously as the art and science that it is,and the public perception of riders will rise as a result.

I just hope they dont take anyone else with them on the way down.

Fat chance:no:

[scumdog]

most bins wins!

finally!

As I said earlier, wins WHAT?

A flasher headstone???:blink:

[BiK3RChiK]

As I said earlier, wins WHAT?

A flasher headstone???:blink:

Hopefully it's only their own headstone! No-one elses...

[Mikkel]

As I said earlier, wins WHAT?

A flasher headstone???:blink:

Don't worry. It seems a lot of people haven't realised that life is a slow race to the finish line.

[MotoGirl]

with a bit of luck they will wipe themselves out/scare themselves to death/write their bikes off /whatever

Sometimes, I agree with this. But is it evil to wish something nasty upon someone just because he or she rides like a dick?

People just don't seem to learn from their mistakes and I wonder why they don't heed the warnings. An example of this is my (fuckwit) bro-in-law. He had a big crash a few years ago but he still rides over 200kph everywhere, often on one wheel. Maybe I'm just daft but I would expect anyone who has seriously injured themselves to realise the implications of riding liking a demon and having it all come undone.

I also wonder whether there's a pattern in the attitude of the bikers dying on the roads (from the perspective of being suicidal/homocidal as opposed to being killed by an oncoming bike). For all I know, they could be people with an attitude like my bro-in-law's where they have the mentality that they're good riders who know it all; where they are fast and can't learn anything because they're already a legend in their own mind. Those who shoot down anyone who suggests they slow down or stop riding while stoned/pissed.

Whaddaya reckon?

[_Shrek_]

I'm still adamant that bikers are killing themselves .

the trouble is it's not just themselves, on the way home tonight I had two bikes pull out & start to overtake five cars the only problem was I was coming towards them with three vehicles behind me & if we hadn't moved over.... mmmmm the mess :angry2:

but the two :tugger: thought they were so cool with their open faced helmets & dark shads, this is where road rage should me legal so you can drag these AH's off their bikes & :kick: the crap out of them :argh:

[_Shrek_]

Same, but I'm not born-again, I'm still wearing the same shit I was when I was 20.
I really need to grow up and get some Cordura!!!

wish i could wear the same shit but when i tried the leathers on a while back they had shrunk :eek5: must have been wet when i put them away :whistle:

[MotoGirl]

this is where road rage should me legal so you can drag these AH's off their bikes & :kick: the crap out of them :argh:

You could almost liken this to gangs where they deal with problem members within the club. I'm suggesting that bikers could deal with the poor behaviour of other bikers. Why are we scared of hitting someone up for riding like a tosser so choose to say and do nothing? If you were in the safety of your cage I bet you'd honk your horn and flip the bird if you saw the same kind of action from another driver.

[_Shrek_]

You could almost liken this to gangs where they deal with problem members within the club. I'm suggesting that bikers could deal with the poor behaviour of other bikers. Why are we scared of hitting someone up for riding like a tosser so choose to say and do nothing? If you were in the safety of your cage I bet you'd honk your horn and flip the bird if you saw the same kind of action from another driver.

if I'd been in my cage I wouldn't have moved over

[mikeey01]

Things must change, how though?

[Katman]

Things must change, how though?

I think it starts with responsible motorcyclists making it plain that irresponsible motorcycle riding is unacceptable.

As I've said before, drink driving is now seen as totally unacceptable largely through peer pressure.

[mikeey01]

I think it starts with responsible motorcyclists making it plain that irresponsible motorcycle riding is unacceptable.

As I've said before, drink driving is now seen as totally unacceptable largely through peer pressure.

mmm change a social habit, I think your on to something there!
I like the thought.

[carver]

Carver... what a dick.

i do flaunt mine a bit~!


As I said earlier, wins WHAT?

A flasher headstone???:blink:

yes, looser pays!

[FJRider]

I think it starts with responsible motorcyclists making it plain that irresponsible motorcycle riding is unacceptable.

As I've said before, drink driving is now seen as totally unacceptable largely through peer pressure.

There are too many in positions of authority in the policy/law making process, that believe that ...irresponsible...and motorcycle riding, is not a contradiction in terms.

Drink driving is only seen as unacceptable to those that DONT.

[scumdog]

Here's a comment from a cage forum:

"On the way back to Whiritoa from Whanga on Sunday arvo,some dick on a jap bike decided to jam himself between us and Waikato willies r/p,coming down the 35 km/h curly bits to the one way bridge just before Whiritoa,braking for the curves and have some flogger stuff a bike in the hole,also braking,does not make a pretty sight,if I had taken him out,it would have been messy,front bumper on the truck is near 3mm thick.And they say we give bike riders a raw deal? insert Tui ad here... "

These guys were hot-rodder types heading back from the Beach Hop at Whangamata, it shows the public DO notice dicks on bikes...

[Candle]

most bikers notice other bikers being dicks on the road i go for the occasional long ride and rely notice when i get passed but a guy on a Harley doing 160 around a corner and then have to get out of his way as if just cuz im on a smaller bike i have to get of the road to let him pass.
And i haven't been riding for all that long but i defiantly believe something needs to be done about people being idiots on he road, not to say you cant and shouldn't go fast and overtake cages and all that but for gods sake do it on the straight not the corners that's just suicide and it tells all the newbees that its acceptable and its really not

[dangerous]

a guy on a Harley doing 160 around a corner and then have to get out of his way as if just cuz im on a smaller bike i have to get of the road to let him pass.
And i haven't been riding for all that long but i defiantly believe something needs to be done about people being idiots on he road, not to say you cant and shouldn't go fast and overtake cages and all that but for gods sake do it on the straight not the corners that's just suicide and it tells all the newbees that its acceptable and its really not

well said, and zakery my point... and its fast becomming an aceptable bad habbit.

[carver]

Here's a comment from a cage forum:

"On the way back to Whiritoa from Whanga on Sunday arvo,some dick on a jap bike decided to jam himself between us and Waikato willies r/p,coming down the 35 km/h curly bits to the one way bridge just before Whiritoa,braking for the curves and have some flogger stuff a bike in the hole,also braking,does not make a pretty sight,if I had taken him out,it would have been messy,front bumper on the truck is near 3mm thick.And they say we give bike riders a raw deal? insert Tui ad here... "

These guys were hot-rodder types heading back from the Beach Hop at Whangamata, it shows the public DO notice dicks on bikes...

that was probably me
i was there about mid day and owned lots of cars

and im not sorry

[Ixion]

I doubt it. The complaining cager would surely have commented about the bike being on only one wheel the whole time?

[Patch]

Idiots will always be idiots whether they be on two, four, six or eight wheels - Get over it.

The only person You can ever change is You. It starts with You and it ends with You.

Pretty simple when You actually think it - shame is, most people don't.

[carver]

I doubt it. The complaining cager would surely have commented about the bike being on only one wheel the whole time?

well, i aint good enough to ride around 25k corners on the back wheel.
a nice open sweeper is fun though.
risky though.....most bins wins

[dangerous]

Idiots will always be idiots whether they be on two, four, six or eight wheels - Get over it.

The only person You can ever change is You. It starts with You and it ends with You.

Pretty simple when You actually think it - shame is, most people don't.
'Get over it' I will NOT.
simple it aint... so in your way of thinking as I 'get over it' and ride a nice tidy legal corner to be hit head on and killed by a fuck wit crossing into my side of the road... well you explain that to my son when hes older nuff and you suport my missus, do you under stand that? ( doubt that you wil as you ride a moped and live in a musume)
If people dont get pro active shit just compounds and more people loose partners, siblings, parents etc.

[JMemonic]

I very nearly collected a Harley this afternoon as he cut in on me at the lights, fortunately I was slowing and was able to stop, inches from his back wheel with his bike about 40 degrees jammed between the car in front and myself, this fool then made me think his indicators were broken by failing to indicate, failing to give way due to no indication, and generally being a bit of a dick.

I did approach him and suggest that he take his bike in for a service as obviously the indicators were not functioning and I honestly believe that given the response, he failed to understand the concept and was perhaps bewildered with riding the bike.

He had no awareness of the road and how close he got to being knocked off.

[swbarnett]

If people dont get pro active shit just compounds and more people loose partners, siblings, parents etc.
And if people get too proactive shit still compounds but now you're living in a police state.

While I do take your point I don't want my personal freedoms destroyed by people going after a percieved problem that's nothing more than people being human. There will always be fucktards that take things too far. Personally, I'm willing to accept this and look after my own safety as much as I can. It's the price we pay for the priviledge of governing our own destiny. Read my sig.

There is no easy answer.

[dangerous]

And if people get too proactive shit still compounds but now you're living in a police state.

While I do take your point I don't want my personal freedoms destroyed by people going after a percieved problem that's nothing more than people being human. There will always be fucktards that take things too far. Personally, I'm willing to accept this and look after my own safety as much as I can. It's the price we pay for the priviledge of governing our own destiny. Read my sig.

There is no easy answer.

No you are thinking to hard here...
Bikeing in NZ will never become a police state yes ther will always be 'fucktards that take things too far' however I am winging about the riders that are becomming to compliant in there BAD riding habbits and in fact these habbits they are doing with out relising... thay are NOT bad people but do need to think about the conserquences of there actions... its like running red lights these days, people do it with out relising, I just think the average Jo biker needs to look at them selves... sorry but nothing will help the fucktards that take things too far.

[scumdog]

I doubt it. The complaining cager would surely have commented about the bike being on only one wheel the whole time?

Idiot rider cut on front of an old type hot rod just before a one-lane bridge.

Only said old type car only had drum brakes.

And idiot nearly ended up as a hot rod bonnet emblem...

[_Shrek_]

guy on a Harley doing 160 around a corner

:shit: how big was the corner!!! (sorry scummy) :laugh:

but all jokes aside good point Candle, I was coming through Weka Pass like I do most days when I was passed by an sv1000 through the s's with traffic & if he waited about 30 seconds he could have gone past us all with a clear veiw :brick:

[swbarnett]

I am winging about the riders that are becomming tocomplience in there BAD riding habbits and in fact these habbits they are doing with out relising...
Thanks for the clarification. I totally agree. A bit more education in a rider's early days would probably sort out a lot of this. I know I would have a lot of bad habits had I not done the course at Western Springs when I started riding.

[Patch]

'Get over it' I will NOT.
simple it aint... so in your way of thinking as I 'get over it' and ride a nice tidy legal corner to be hit head on and killed by a fuck wit crossing into my side of the road... well you explain that to my son when hes older nuff and you suport my missus, do you under stand that? ( doubt that you wil as you ride a moped and live in a musume)
If people dont get pro active shit just compounds and more people loose partners, siblings, parents etc.


No you are thinking to hard here...
Bikeing in NZ will never become a police state yes ther will always be 'fucktards that take things too far' however I am winging about the riders that are becomming tocomplience in there BAD riding habbits and in fact these habbits they are doing with out relising... thay are NOT bad people but do need to think about the conserquences of there actions... its like running red lights these days, people do it with out relising, I just think the average Jo biker needs to look at them selves... sorry but nothing will help the fucktards that take things too far.
Get off ur soapbox fool - u ain't got all the answers.

[dangerous]

Get off ur soapbox fool - u ain't got all the answers. THATS RIGHT ya bloody noodle... I dont have the answers, hence the thread 'DUH'

[Katman]

Get off ur soapbox fool - u ain't got all the answers.

It's not about having all the answers.

It's about creating awareness and getting motorcyclists to think about the consequences of their actions.

Too many motorcyclists believe that their greatest danger exists from factors outside of their control. The greatest danger actually lies within the attitude that those same motorcyclists take out on to the road.

[Candle]

changing my tune a little bit as Ive just been cut of and forced onto the kerb by a stupid lady in her cage. it wouldn't have happened if i was weaving all over my lane and making myself seen.

not saying that i do that all the time but an going to start doing it more because that seams the be the only way they take notice that someones actually there

[dangerous]

changing my tune a little bit as Ive just been cut of and forced onto the kerb by a stupid lady in her cage. it wouldn't have happened if i was weaving all over my lane and making myself seen.

not saying that i do that all the time but an going to start doing it more because that seams the be the only way they take notice that someones actually there

Then you have a LOT to learn mate, good luck with your theory.


It's not about having all the answers.

It's about creating awareness and getting motorcyclists to think about the consequences of their actions.

Too many motorcyclists believe that their greatest danger exists from factors outside of their control. The greatest danger actually lies within the attitude that those same motorcyclists take out on to the road. yus... would have to agree there.

[mikeey01]

Here we go again....
The Akaroa GP has nearly claimed another and up north has claimed another :(

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2332006/Holiday-travel-disrupted-after-car-and-motorbike-collide-near-Akaroa

Me thinks all this is leading to something and something tells me it could affect us all.

[rosie631]

There seems to be a few bad people in bike clubs these days, mainly on Harlies and Triumphs. I heared from a couple of riders in Otago that some members of the Ulysses club like to ride their bikes at around 180(on Harlies of all bikes :crazy:) and seem to act like maniacs at times. :

I have to say in defence of Harley riders that I have some friends who have ridden Harleys for years. They are good and safe riders and i would ride with them anywhere and anytime. I do agree though that there are maniacs too. Have been on one run where the average speed seemed to be 160. Just like everything tho, you can't generalise

[robboh]

Well, at the risk of getting verbally cut up and spat out...

Im almost certainly a soon-to-be born-again rider. Im mid-30's, and have been pondering a new bike for the couple of years. Hadnt ridden for 7-8 years, and find myself missing it more and more everytime I see a bike.

Nowadays I dont have to just consider myself, but other responsibilities I have as well, and those have been a big part of the decision process and whether its a sensible thing to do AND to what sort of bike would be a sensible starting point to get back into it.

I grew up on farm-bikes, and 250 smokers. And yes, when you look back to when you were 18-21, u definitely did some stuff you look back on as daft to the point of insanity.

On the other hand, I also learnt very early on that the race-track is the place to do that sort of stuff. Once you do it there, you realise the insanity of doing it on the road. Some of my mates at the time always seemed to be ending up in the side of cars. While I had a few semi-close calls, I never seemed to have the regularity of close calls that they seemed to. Ive kept with this approach, even in the cage, and do clubsport level motor-racing with a car club. A good cobweb clearing session on a track or a hillclimb is far more satisfying and far safer than doing it on the road.

Between participating in other risky activities, a non-road-related back injury that could have easily killed me, a loss of license in the cage a few years back (due to 3 silly 61kph type speeding tickets), and various other things, Ive certainly come to appreciate my own mortality somewhat more, and also the fact that I dont like walking.

That, coupled with the greatly increased traffic volumes AND the overall lower skill level of those drivers, I dont drive fast on the road these days, and on the bike Im certainly going to be taking things very easy and try and keep my hooligan tendencies in check.

Im also considering 'going back to school' for a refresher riding course of some description. Though, thats gonna look kinda weird when I turn up on the 600 sports bike Im considering.

At the end of the day, the bikes these days are rockets. You need to learn to go fast again slowly AND do it in the right circumstances. When it comes to the road, to me, the biggest thing is SURVIVING it while you get to the track. At the end of the day, they only go as fast as you twist your wrist!!

Having said all that, maybe I dont drive the right roads, but the vast majority of bikes I see on the road tend to ride courteously and sensibly. Its usually the idiots in the big V8's (or the slow twits in the SUV's) that Im shaking my head at, not the bikes.

[fuknKIWI]

I'd like to see Carver wearing his heart on his sleeve like this guy :laugh:
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[rosie631]

OMG. Wish I hadn't looked now. :puke:

[Laxi]

there goes diner:sick:

[idb]

And if people get too proactive shit still compounds but now you're living in a police state.

While I do take your point I don't want my personal freedoms destroyed by people going after a percieved problem that's nothing more than people being human. There will always be fucktards that take things too far. Personally, I'm willing to accept this and look after my own safety as much as I can. It's the price we pay for the priviledge of governing our own destiny. Read my sig.

There is no easy answer.

I agree, I get pissed off when any state response to wankers inconveniences me.

Unfortunately, if the sentiments expressed in this thread are those generally felt in the community then I'm afraid that there are going to be more laws and enforcement to rein us all in, so the nett effect will be that which you are wanting to avoid.
All because of the idiots.

So, if you don't want your "personal freedoms" affected maybe we do need to be active in kicking plonkers up the arse.

[Mikkel]

I'd like to see Carver wearing his heart on his sleeve like this guy :laugh:
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[fuknKIWI]

How did he manage that? A story to go with the pictures?
My guess he overused the throttle, 280 k's apparently :scooter:
No story but a picture is worth a 1000 words looks like Oz somewhere, 2 different types of footwear dates back to at least 2004
Another suicide jockey making Oz a better place :yes:

[peasea]

OMG. Wish I hadn't looked now. :puke:

I bet you say that to all the boys.

[swbarnett]

All because of the idiots.

So, if you don't want your "personal freedoms" affected maybe we do need to be active in kicking plonkers up the arse.
The problem is not the "idiots" on bikes. They will always exist and there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop them.

The problem is the idiots that have deluded themselves into thinking they can turn normal humans into automotons. While there are people like this making the decisions we are screwed. No amount of "cleaning up our act" is going to help. No matter how "clean" our act is there will still be those making laws that don't think it's clean enough. After all, there are those that would like nothing better than to remove every last bike from existance.

People of a certain personality type are ruled by fear. These people are, unfortunately, very good at getting into power. Simply because they crave control above all else and can't stand to see anyone take the slightest risk. They are hell bent on wrapping us all up in cotton wool.

I don't want to live in a world where taking a risk of any sort is expressly forbidden. Or where anyone taking even a small risk is labelled as reckless. Life without risk just isn't worth living. Afterall, a "Challenge" is just a risk in polite language.




(Check this out for a deeper take on the "life without risk" angle http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=50917)

[dipshit]

No amount of "cleaning up our act" is going to help. No matter how "clean" our act is there will still be those making laws that don't think it's clean enough. After all, there are those that would like nothing better than to remove every last bike from existance.

People of a certain personality type are ruled by fear. These people are, unfortunately, very good at getting into power.


Stop being a paranoid drama queen.

After a few shooting tragedies we ended up with tighter firearm laws.

After much trouble from boy racers... we ended up with tighter enforcement on hooning and car modifying.

Recently after many boating and jet ski accidents... they are looking at tightening up on licensing and usage of water recreational craft...

Get the idea..???

[Mikkel]

The problem is the idiots that have deluded themselves into thinking they can turn normal humans into automotons. While there are people like this making the decisions we are screwed. No amount of "cleaning up our act" is going to help. No matter how "clean" our act is there will still be those making laws that don't think it's clean enough. After all, there are those that would like nothing better than to remove every last bike from existance.

People of a certain personality type are ruled by fear. These people are, unfortunately, very good at getting into power. Simply because they crave control above all else and can't stand to see anyone take the slightest risk. They are hell bent on wrapping us all up in cotton wool.

Au contraire monsieur.

People as those you describe are perfect as mid-level bureaucrats. For low-level bureaucrats you want people who just doesn't give a shit as long as they have something to eat and there's some inane shit on TV to waste time.

The people who are very good at getting into power are the people who - like you and I - take pleasure in taking calculated risks and who enjoys rising to the challenge. Where they, mainly, differ from your typical human being is in being on malleable integrity, not morally objecting to controlling other people or whether anyone else will suffer in their rise to power.
And they'll never give a shit about the rights of you and I because once they attain the power they crave they know that unless they really fuck up they'll be free to do whatever they bloody well want.

[Insanity_rules]

Yuck! Man thats grim.

[swbarnett]

Stop being a paranoid drama queen.
I wouldn't call myself paranoid. I just try not to think about it too much and live my life as I see fit regardless.


After a few shooting tragedies we ended up with tighter firearm laws.

After much trouble from boy racers... we ended up with tighter enforcement on hooning and car modifying.

Recently after many boating and jet ski accidents... they are looking at tightening up on licensing and usage of water recreational craft...

Get the idea..???
Indeed I do. If this was where it ended I wouldn't have much problem with it. The trouble is that each generation goes through the same process. What is considered perfectly safe by one generation is considered dangerous by the next and becomes a target for restrictive laws. Each time this happens the list of outlawed activities grows. Eventually, there won't be much left that we are allowed to do. Once automated roads are in place and accidents are a thing of the past what do you think they'll attack next? Pretty soon you won't be allowed to sit at home watching TV without a meteor-proof roof!

Ever heard of the boiling frog?

[dipshit]

Eventually, there won't be much left that we are allowed to do. Once automated roads are in place and accidents are a thing of the past what do you think they'll attack next? Pretty soon you won't be allowed to sit at home watching TV without a meteor-proof roof!



:violin:

god you talk some crap.

[swbarnett]

:violin:

god you talk some crap.
And you're not the first to say so.

I also know a number of people that agree with me.

Serisously, though. The current road toll and the roll of motorcyclists within it only rates more than a passing comment because the rest of life is so safe. In times when life in general was a tad more risky (say during WWII in Warsaw), do you honestly think the current road toll would have been cause for concern?

[dipshit]

In times when life in general was a tad more risky (say during WWII in Warsaw), do you honestly think the current road toll would have been cause for concern?

Most normal people think we have improved since the days of no safety belts and non collapsible steering columns and standard plate glass for window screens and carpet bombing.

[wbks]

That guy's a little bit worse for wears! Kind of took me a little wile to work out where his head (read: Face) was...

[A_Mans_Ruin]

Ewwwwww :pinch:

[swbarnett]

Most normal people think we have improved since the days of no safety belts and non collapsible steering columns and standard plate glass for window screens and carpet bombing.
And I'm not saying we haven't. We have.

When I was with the DSIR in the mid 80s I was introduced to the concept of Total Quality Management. This is a process where by you identify areas for improvement and rank them according to how important they are. You generally end up with one or two stand outs and the rest pale into insignificance. Once you've tackelled these top two the next one on the list looks a lot more important. Then you tackle that and the next one rises to the top and so on. Eventually you get to trivial problems like maybe the fact that your customers don't like the receptionist's nail polish.

The history of road safety is similar to this in that the problems that caused the most carnage are tackelled first and so on down the list. My own view is that the big issues (safety belts, better steering columns etc.) have been sorted and we have now progressed so far down the list that the law of diminishing returns has come in to effect. Each new safety improvement comes at an ever larger cost (either financial or in reduced freedoms). To the point where the cost simply outweighs the benifit.

I'm not saying that we should stop improving. Just that we need to think long and hard about every improvement to make sure that it's worth the cost.

[Katman]

I'm not saying that we should stop improving. Just that we need to think long and hard about every improvement to make sure that it's worth the cost.

So what would be the cost of getting motorcyclists to pull their heads in?

Answer - nothing.

[swbarnett]

So what would be the cost of getting motorcyclists to pull their heads in?

Answer - nothing.
You've taken that completely out of context. Read my post again and you'll see that I was responding to comments about physical improvements to vehicles


Now, to follow the thread as you interpreted my comment:

God that's naieve.

To get a significant number of riders to "pull their heads in", as you say, would at the very least cost megabucks of public money in education. I'm not saying that this wouldn't be money well spent, it may well be. Just that we have to weigh up the pros and cons of any course of action before undertaking it.

It is basic human nature that not every mototcyclist is going to respond to even the strongest forms of education (this is true for any group, not just us). In order to get every motorcyclist to behave would require massive draconian law change and enforcement (and even then I don't believe it would work). These new laws and the increased level of enforcement, in the name of safety, would not only target the true idiots among us but also those that are perhaps a little bit exuburent but are not being idiots.

The very definition of "behaving" is up for stong debate (as is evidenced quite obviously on this forum). Who are you to tell me what level of safety is appropriate for me? After all, taken to it's logical extreme, the mere fact that we dane to throw our legs over two-wheeled death machines on public roads makes us menaces to society. Pulling our heads in would then require that we throw our bikes on the scrap heap and all start driving volvos.

[98tls]

:bash:Lets leave Volvos outta this eh.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLvGAJsy9K8:innocent:

[peasea]

:bash:Lets leave Volvos outta this eh.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLvGAJsy9K8:innocent:

Why? I think vulvas are wonderful things. Where would we be without them?

[98tls]

Why? I think vulvas are wonderful things. Where would we be without them? Mate you need to let that Nth Isle shit go,down here if you said "fuck up vulva" they would shut the bar.

[peasea]

Mate you need to let that Nth Isle shit go,down here if you said "fuck up vulva" they would shut the bar.

Silly me.

(I still say Vulva's are cuntsa cars tho....)

[fuknKIWI]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5507922/Motorcyclist-filmed-death-of-friend-as-they-broke-speed-limit.html

[fuknKIWI]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5507922/Motorcyclist-filmed-death-of-friend-as-they-broke-speed-limit.html

B b bit of a S stut t t ter:shit:

[dangerous]

Hmmmmmm... ya know driving back from Greymouth, and driving there for that matter loaded with race bikes and watching from a cager's view for a change, theres some right twats that shouldnt be alowd to ride, as a cage driver I wouldnt want to shear the costs of my ACC levie.

There was a serious acco on the way over, chopper called in and all, on the way back a wrecked TL lay on the road side, a compleat idiot on a early intruder was passing constently on blind bends (11km of twisties east of Aurthers) and knob on a nakid SV1000 passed me up the virerduct while there were oncomming cars... the list goes on, and ya know what having re passed these riders at the next servo... they were all older than me and I aint no spring chicken.
Kinda reinforces my 1st post.

[dipshit]

Hmmmmmm... ya know driving back from Greymouth, and driving there for that matter loaded with race bikes and watching from a cager's view for a change, theres some right twats that shouldnt be alowd to ride,

Yep, there are a lot of motorcyclists that have shit for brains... yet they can't see it.

[_Shrek_]

after a ride with the DB recon riders on sat, headed to Arrow Town to catch up with Mrs Shrek & ko, was having a :apint: with a mate who has a crib about 5 min walk from town centre on main road in

& I have to say that about 70% of the bikes that went past would have been doing 70+ ks in a 50k zone & then you had your total :tugger: 's that were 100+ there were 5 of them all riding alone (probably why no one will ride with them)

I guess we are not doing oursleves any favors when this sort of shit is happening in a built up area

[wbks]

after a ride with the DB recon riders on sat, headed to Arrow Town to catch up with Mrs Shrek & ko, was having a :apint: with a mate who has a crib about 5 min walk from town centre on main road in

& I have to say that about 70% of the bikes that went past would have been doing 70+ ks in a 50k zone & then you had your total :tugger: 's that were 100+ there were 5 of them all riding alone (probably why no one will ride with them)

I guess we are not doing oursleves any favors when this sort of shit is happening in a built up areaYea, and next thing the fuckers are gona go around acting all condescending and shit. Could drive me to txt and drive!

[Brian d marge]

after a ride with the DB recon riders on sat, headed to Arrow Town to catch up with Mrs Shrek & ko, was having a :apint: with a mate who has a crib about 5 min walk from town centre on main road in

& I have to say that about 70% of the bikes that went past would have been doing 70+ ks in a 50k zone & then you had your total :tugger: 's that were 100+ there were 5 of them all riding alone (probably why no one will ride with them)

I guess we are not doing oursleves any favors when this sort of shit is happening in a built up area

Remember SPEED KILLS
this is another point that needs to be addressed
the NZ Road laws are antiquated ,,, designed in the forties and never updated ,,,,

Have a look at Canada's 80/20 speed limits

Stephen

Over taking on a blind corner though ,,,, unforgivable

[dangerous]

Yea, and next thing the fuckers are gona go around acting all condescending and shit. Could drive me to txt and drive!...ya what?






Hmmmmmm... ya know driving back from GreymouthCrap... just read that a biker did die on the road between Greymouth and Chch, hit a bridge and unrelated to any of my comments

[JMemonic]

Hmmmmmm... ya know driving back from Greymouth, and driving there for that matter loaded with race bikes and watching from a cager's view for a change, theres some right twats that shouldnt be alowd to ride, as a cage driver I wouldnt want to shear the costs of my ACC levie.

There was a serious acco on the way over, chopper called in and all, on the way back a wrecked TL lay on the road side, a compleat idiot on a early intruder was passing constently on blind bends (11km of twisties east of Aurthers) and knob on a nakid SV1000 passed me up the virerduct while there were oncomming cars... the list goes on, and ya know what having re passed these riders at the next servo... they were all older than me and I aint no spring chicken.
Kinda reinforces my 1st post.


I came back today, Lewis pass for us, coming into Reefton a cage decided to overtake a camper on a blind bend, they made it but it was close. We were cut off several times by cages that seemed to overtake without looking in the mirror to see if there was another vehicle engaged in overtaking, these guys you mention on bikes are as bad in a cage.

What I am trying to figure is why the cops look so interested in me at 108-110K/h but dont blink at the 4x4 with a L plate towing a large trailer at 110-120K/h.

[300weatherby]

Like Akaroa gp route,ride it quickly sometimes,but not stupidly,I get rid of my "go fast,look at me" on the track- Harley riders for the most part really piss me off,they often actually believe they are somehow skilled and fast on bikes that steer,stop and handle- I ride lines that protect me from campervans and Harley riders on blind corners,both have a complete inability to stay on their own side of the road,in the case of the usual Harley rider,this is for two reasons -
1:The Harley is not designed for fast riding in a close environment like tight winding roads(or the track),they are a big heavyweight cruiser intended for freeway cruising in the States,and boulavard posing
2:The typical Harley guy doesn't get himself educated in the bigger picture,and learn how to make it happen safely

LISTEN UP HARLEY PEOPLE!
Rule no 1:Start your corner out wide,it gives maximum vision angles to see everthing oncoming and suprises on the road in front,you buy time to act on what you see

ie:Approach a blind, or any, right hander from the far left of your lane and looking through the corner you can see all you need to avoid crap on the road,or oncoming over the centreline,turn it a little later and you can bring it back into the centre third of the road as you apex late instead of early and every body is safer,including you,and you just might discover it is faster and the line more enjoyable than lumbering all the way round ON or OVER the centreline risking control,your life,and anybody oncoming!

Left hander is opposite- start your entry out near the centre(if safe to be there...) and turn it late to the inside left,you will discover that as you go in,the line continues to take you away from anything oncoming and gives you room and time to stand it up for something unexpected on the road...

Plenty of Jap/Ducati/whatever riders could learn that as well,just the Harley people are the worst-proper riding skills can be taught,give Mainland Rding School a try,you will be suprised at what you don't actually know...

I don't believe in luck,I believe in descision and consequence

Four bikes parked in Akaroa near a Harley- a Busa,a 916,a ZX10R and an R1,the Harley guy announces that none of them could pull the skin off a rice pudding compared to his 1450 Steamshovel,think I'll get me one of them so I can get a ride in MotoGP and smoke Rossi.......Now where's my fan....:done:

[bikemike]

I was amazed at the riding on the way back from Greymouth. On way up Otira I was waiting for an overtake to be safe when hard as nails rider came up the inside of me, pulled across the front of me and took his overtake from there, past a campervan. Then on the way down into Arthurs he and his follower overtook on that gravel stretch, one of them going round the next camper on a downhill left hander.....

Now, I wasn't slow coming up the first half of the hill, well up front of a group coming up over the viaduct, and then pulled off for the view. But isn't staying alive knowing when to slow up?

Also saw the green bike in the hedge on the way over on Saturday. DOC staff told me on Monday he was lucky to live - an argument with a car and lost a lot of blood. Not corroborated.

Then there was the cruiser - assume Harley - that left the lane on a left hand drop over a crest. Went straight into the barrier by looks of things. That was heading home from Arthurs.

I usually ride places, and times, where I am overtaking almost everything on the open road. It was quite a revelation to see what goes on at other times. I possibly hit 120 / 130 max on the way back. I remember only passing two bikes; a couple of well kitted up riders on modern machines who had just been phased by a mob of cruisers I was following. Anyway, I waited as I became next to pass and then passed as they kept left and waved me to pass, and I gave them a wave of thanks.

All other bikes were passing me, and it would have been 90% cruisers, 10% other - being mostly BMWs, Ducatis and Triumphs.

Of all the cruiser/bruiser bikes passing me, two stood out as being patient and fast and smooth - they were patched!

Once on the straights, all the cruisers pulled well over 140, and straights or not there was a lot of crossing solid yellows too.

I got waved by the green cop car coming in by Yaldhurst, I was doing 110. ??! Thinks he was in the wrong place.

What's a big cruiser bike with a triangular tail LED cluster? All over the shop.

[NighthawkNZ]

I was amazed at the riding on the way back from Greymouth. On way up Otira I was waiting for an overtake to be safe when hard as nails rider came up the inside of me, pulled across the front of me and took his overtake from there, past a campervan. Then on the way down into Arthurs he and his follower overtook on that gravel stretch, one of them going round the next camper on a downhill left hander.....

Now, I wasn't slow coming up the first half of the hill, well up front of a group coming up over the viaduct, and then pulled off for the view. But isn't staying alive knowing when to slow up?

Also saw the green bike in the hedge on the way over on Saturday. DOC staff told me on Monday he was lucky to live - an argument with a car and lost a lot of blood. Not corroborated.

Then there was the cruiser - assume Harley - that left the lane on a left hand drop over a crest. Went straight into the barrier by looks of things. That was heading home from Arthurs.

I usually ride places, and times, where I am overtaking almost everything on the open road. It was quite a revelation to see what goes on at other times. I possibly hit 120 / 130 max on the way back. I remember only passing two bikes; a couple of well kitted up riders on modern machines who had just been phased by a mob of cruisers I was following. Anyway, I waited as I became next to pass and then passed as they kept left and waved me to pass, and I gave them a wave of thanks.

All other bikes were passing me, and it would have been 90% cruisers, 10% other - being mostly BMWs, Ducatis and Triumphs.

Of all the cruiser/bruiser bikes passing me, two stood out as being patient and fast and smooth - they were patched!

Once on the straights, all the cruisers pulled well over 140, and straights or not there was a lot of crossing solid yellows too.

I got waved by the green cop car coming in by Yaldhurst, I was doing 110. ??! Thinks he was in the wrong place.

What's a big cruiser bike with a triangular tail LED cluster? All over the shop.

We see all this kind of shit... then we wonder why ACC want to put our levy's:crazy:

[swbarnett]

Hmmmmmm... ya know driving back from Greymouth, and driving there for that matter loaded with race bikes and watching from a cager's view for a change, theres some right twats that shouldnt be alowd to ride, as a cage driver I wouldnt want to shear the costs of my ACC levie.
The whole point of ACC is that half the population could turn in to self mutulators and the population as a whole still would cover the cost EVENLY!

The antics of the idiot bikers of which you speak would have nothing whatsoever to do with the size of our ACC levies if the original principle of ACC was adhered to by the idiot beaurocrats.

Why single out groups on vehicle type? Why not race? By any definition it's discrimination.

[dangerous]

What I am trying to figure is why the cops look so interested in me at 108-110K/h but dont blink at the 4x4 with a L plate towing a large trailer at 110-120K/h. cos speed kills not idiot driving... ohhh and theres money to be made in speeders, did you need ask ;)




these guys you mention on bikes are as bad in a cage. I know had a sill girl out and passing on a yellow blinder... but we are talking about bikers here



On way up Otira I was waiting for an overtake to be safe when hard as nails rider came up the inside of me, pulled across the front of me and took his overtake from there, past a campervan. Then on the way down into Arthurs he and his follower overtook on that gravel stretch, one of them going round the next camper on a downhill left hander.....

Also saw the green bike in the hedge on the way over on Saturday. DOC staff told me on Monday he was lucky to live - an argument with a car and lost a lot of blood.

Then there was the cruiser - assume Harley - that left the lane on a left hand drop over a crest. Went straight into the barrier by looks of things. That was heading home from Arthurs. unreal aye... ok I know it was the 1st spring ride for a few and I know the weather was mint all putting the rider in a frenzy of enjoyment specially after a good w/e at Grey, and I know how cages etc can bugger that up for ya right when ya want to hook into some curleys... BUT every action has a reaction and on two wheels, that reaction can end terably.

[avgas]

A couple of knobs on harleys "havin a race" down morningside drive.
While I didn't mind them giving it a bit.....the biggest and ugliest knob obviously could not control his big bloated ltd ed flying sofa harley. Swerved into my lane.

You know what ran through my head when this knob was coming head on.....

This isn't my car (work wagon), its quite safe (focus), I am sure I could shunt him to his death rather than avoid getting hit.

When did I get so ticked off at morons that I would try and assist Darwin's law???? Possibly after the ACC proposal.

So be warned knobs - I imagine there is someone out there that is slightly crazier than I. So think of the restraint I had, I only had to do nothing - and that guy would be licking pavement. ME SWERVING SAVED HIS LIFE......

[JMemonic]

cos speed kills not idiot driving... ohhh and theres money to be made in speeders, did you need ask ;)

Ah but the point is a cage towing at 110 is already 20K/h over the limit, makes you wonder...

Yes you are right we are talking about bikers here, just pointing out silliness is not limited, it seems to be a human condition, or is it just kiwi, I would say human as all those camper drivers we see few of them would be local.

[jimmy 2006]

A couple of knobs on harleys "havin a race" down morningside drive.
While I didn't mind them giving it a bit.....the biggest and ugliest knob obviously could not control his big bloated ltd ed flying sofa harley. Swerved into my lane.

You know what ran through my head when this knob was coming head on.....

This isn't my car (work wagon), its quite safe (focus), I am sure I could shunt him to his death rather than avoid getting hit.

When did I get so ticked off at morons that I would try and assist Darwin's law???? Possibly after the ACC proposal.

So be warned knobs - I imagine there is someone out there that is slightly crazier than I. So think of the restraint I had, I only had to do nothing - and that guy would be licking pavement. ME SWERVING SAVED HIS LIFE......

killing them is a bit drastic, but i get your point. why bikers seem to think it is everyone elses fault i will never understand.

[bikemike]

Ah but the point is a cage towing at 110 is already 20K/h over the limit, makes you wonder..

And one of them drove near Porters for some way with rear left tyre shredding in the breeze, totally oblivious. Red Subaru in front of me must have been flashing him for ages. Kept going till he was on the rim!

[dipshit]

why bikers seem to think it is everyone elses fault i will never understand.

Maybe because BRONZ keeps telling us so.

[paddy]

Have a look at Canada's 80/20 speed limits . . .

Could you elaborate on that? You've got me curious.