Can you get Housing NZ tenants removed?

[firefighter]

Ok here's the problem.....

There are some Islanders (they are from the islands and I dunno what one....so "Islanders") living across from me, they are trouble makers, so far they have had friends tag on my fence at a huge party they had (massive tag along the full length of a long fence) they constantly have parties, make excessive noise, (remember they are on the benefit so these are always at the start of the week and all night) have the bass going 24/7, they belong out in Otara with the rest of the scum, but for some reason they are in Massey polluting my space.

Now the reason for this post.......

I need advice on getting them out- yes I know it would be cool to burn the house down with them in it, shoot them all in the face etc (iv'e thought of it all) unfortunately this isn't grand theft auto and jail does'nt sound cool, so if you have any REAL, USEABLE HELPFUL info please let me know, especially if you have had Housing NZ tenants evicted.

I have already caled CYF's about the environment the kids are living in, but we won't even mention how much of a waste of time that is.....

So advice?

By the way for those of you that don't know, if you rent off housing n.z they could'nt give a shit about what the neighbours are going through, so no run of the mill strategies work, I am actually thinking of contacting a lawyer, just thought i'd put that in before the silly ideas come through....

[Lucy]

Ok here's the problem.....


By the way for those of you that don't know, if you rent off housing n.z they could'nt give a shit about what the neighbours are going through, so no run of the mill strategies work, I am actually thinking of contacting a lawyer, just thought i'd put that in before the silly ideas come through....


Can't help but if you are a trademe member you can ask on the Real Estate message board. Lots of help about that sort of thing there.

[MadDuck]

I feel your pain.......

HNZ will evict them if there are enough complaints. Log calls to Noise Control and approach your other neighbours to do the same....thats step 1.

Had to go tea was cooking and one should not leave the stove.

What I have learnt.

1) No point in contacting a lawyer as you can not sue the land owner for what the tennants get up to.
2) Local community policing unit is your best bet
3) Phone every authority known to mankind. I am surprised CYFS didnt react...very very surprised.
4) Start a diary. It will get rather large!

Since its HNZ and paid for by our taxes you should be able to approach your local MP if HNZ do not listen. Also as they are PIs try the local PI church leaders.

[Karl08]

mate.... That Sucks! Re calling CYFS, next time you call- mention you are about to call the local paper. As for Housing NZ (and same for Cyfs) when ever you speak to them get the persons name and direct line number, and ask for any comments they have to be sent to in writing. They are tits on a ball usless most of the time, but do not want negative press(too much already). The eviction process is lengthy with HNZ (as any landlord), but if the police are constantly called, the message should get through.

[Swampdonkey]

Keep a paper trail,log all calls (complaints etc) just start a file. Its going to be a long road. Once in a state house its forever,very hard to be moved on. I feel sorry for you, try not to let it eat you.

[Indiana_Jones]

We could have some KB parties which are louder? =D

-Indy

[MotoGirl]

Don't get your hopes up about having them evicted. Even if you were going to be successful, it will take MONTHS of fluffing around and they'll probably get to stay there anyway.

I say this because one of my previous workmates went through a very similar thing with his neighbours. Any adult occupants were unemployed and the (solo) mother was in jail for repeat drink-driving charges. I believe five kids were living in the house with their grandfather, who was not even the tenant. These people used to throw dirty nappies on the lawn, torment the dog (causing it to be aggressive), and threaten to break into the house while its owners were at work. They would also start brawls that spilled out onto the street, causing the Police to show up repeatedly.

My workmate put everything on record with the Police and kept a log of all the goings-on. After nearly a year, it finally went to the tenancy tribunal AND got thrown out because and the judge/referee misinterpreted the law. I don't recall what was misinterpreted.

Even with an appeal (which I believe also go thrown out), HNZ still didn't have to evict these scumbags. All the neighbours wanted them gone and HNZ wouldn't do anything about it. In the end, the owners rented their own house out and moved to Australia.

[MotoGirl]

Here's the part of the Tenancies Act that was used to try and evict these people:
Section 40, Part 2, Clause C



The tenant shall not—

(a) intentionally or carelessly damage, or permit any other person to damage, the premises; or

(b) use the premises, or permit the premises to be used, for any unlawful purpose; or

(c) cause or permit any interference with the reasonable peace, comfort, or privacy of any of the landlord’s other tenants in the use of the premises occupied by those other tenants, or with the reasonable peace, comfort, or privacy of any other person residing in the neighbourhood.

[98tls]

Feel for you mate,as above and i would add video the worst of it,may come in handy down the paper trail a bit.

[MadDuck]

Here's the part of the Tenancies Act that was used to try and evict these people:
Section 40, Part 2, Clause C

This Act only applies in the case of the landlord "wanting" to evict their tenants. It is useless to anyone else....I know I have tried.

[Bren]

mate.... That Sucks! Re calling CYFS, next time you call- mention you are about to call the local paper. As for Housing NZ (and same for Cyfs) when ever you speak to them get the persons name and direct line number, and ask for any comments they have to be sent to in writing. They are tits on a ball usless most of the time, but do not want negative press(too much already). The eviction process is lengthy with HNZ (as any landlord), but if the police are constantly called, the message should get through.


i think what you mean to say is as useless as tits on a Bull!:Pokey:


dont worry bout me, im jus bein a bit pedantic tonight

[MotoGirl]

This Act only applies in the case of the landlord "wanting" to evict their tenants. It is useless to anyone else....I know I have tried.

You are exactly right. HNZ don't want to evict these people even though they're destroying the neighbourhood around them.

[Paul in NZ]

Actually - it's probably easier for these scum to evict you from your house....

[Owl]

Can't help but if you are a trademe member you can ask on the Real Estate message board. Lots of help about that sort of thing there.

What Lucy said!

My brother frequents there a bit and he's an ex HNZ manager. His Missus is a current HNZ property manager and I know she won't tolerate any bullshit from her tenants and sorts them out pronto! I think a lot has to do with how motivated the property manager is?

[smoky]

I think a lot has to do with how motivated the property manager is?

100% correct
Best advise I could give is to ask to meet with the Tenancy Manager, get a feel for what they are like and see if they are doing their job or not.
If you're not happy ask to meet with their manager - called an HSM,
Housing Services manager and write a letter of complaint to the Regional Manager.

If that doesn't help PM me

[Disco Dan]

you have more chance of them being arrested for various crimes than actually getting them all evicted. Waaay to many laws protecting tenants - and as mentioned already chances are it will be thrown out of court anyway.

Photograph them, video the parties and log the goings on. Hand copies over to the police with signed letters from neighbors all with the same message. That should at least get the ball rolling law wise to sort them out.

[MadDuck]

you have more chance of them being arrested for various crimes than actually getting them all evicted. Waaay to many laws protecting tenants - and as mentioned already chances are it will be thrown out of court anyway.

Photograph them, video the parties and log the goings on. Hand copies over to the police with signed letters from neighbors all with the same message. That should at least get the ball rolling law wise to sort them out.

Yep way too many rules helping tenants. Police can only do so much..... Agencies can only do so much and unless HNZ are willing to do anything then you are basically screwed.

Join my club :eek:

[firefighter]

:crazy: Looks like i'm gonna have to burn the fucken house down! Lol, i'm pretty sure I know that I can get around the fire investigators too......:whistle:

Haha, I have petitioned and have written complaints from all the neighbours with balls (some are intimidated) Videoed the mother swearing at the kids on the front porch this morning, now just need to video the two under 5 year olds nearly getting hit in the big shared driveway....who would have thought that a mother could scream into her childs face "your motherfucken stupid little cunt" Makes for nice viewing.......:oi-grr:

She had a yell at me yesturday morning as I took the pipes off my bike when I got home after their big party and revved the shit out of it- woke them all up, wasn't even for a minute- funny how it hasn't dawned on them that their noise lasts all night rather than a minute, she threatened to punch me, oh how I tried to get her to do it, but she was all talk, meh.

Thanks for all the advice, I am working my way through it, hopefully will have something positive to say soon- like they've had their kids taken off them (yessss there goes some booze money!) and that they all died in a horrific accident, oh how I hope they crash near me and I get to put a hydraulic tool through an arm....spreaders or cutters? hmmmm, well dreams are free! lol)

[slimjim]

fuck go and buy a couple of bag's of "P"... put it on the section ..call housing corp and the copper's and let the fun start....

[MadDuck]

:crazy: Looks like i'm gonna have to burn the fucken house down!

Was that you in the Harold "Side Swipe" this morning :clap:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sideswipe/news/article.cfm?c_id=702&objectid=10552967

[firefighter]

Was that you in the Harold "Side Swipe" this morning :clap:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sideswipe/news/article.cfm?c_id=702&objectid=10552967

nooooooo.........:whistle:.............lol

[nodrog]

throw some soap and water into their house, that should have them running for the hills (or KFC).

[slofox]

Pity atom bombs are so hard to get....

[Slyer]

I'm so glad I'm not you. :D
People who are housed like that all need to be housed together.

[firefighter]

I'm so glad I'm not you. :D
People who are housed like that all need to be housed together.

agreed, housing NZ houses should be in ONE area, that way the tenants can't ruin the lives of people in every bloody part of the City, they can be where they belong out south (Otara/mangere etc)......I don't give a flying fuck if they have to commute......


(I am aware of the teeny tiny small minescule minority of people in those houses that aren't part of this group, but sorry I own my house and my neighbours own theirs, and have to suffer due to the ONE house full of............)

[Slyer]

There needs to be like a probation period for those types to prove they are gooduns.

[firefighter]

There needs to be like a probation period for those types to prove they are gooduns.

Yes, and if they fail they have their faces cut off and salt poured over them. ohh, then vinegar. Then all the nieghbours they fucked with get to set them on fire and piss on their ashes. :devil2:

But seriously your right, and 6 monthly inspections, three complaints and they're out.(gotta give'em a chance right?)

[Fatjim]

Trouble is even wankers need a house to live in.

[Slyer]

Wankers who don't want to work can go die in a ditch in my opinion.

If you're unable to work due to losing all your limbs you'd better be nice or you can find your own food.

[Subike]

If you want to do some pro active action,
1/
see if you can sight the pole fuse for the power cable into the house.
If it is where I suspect it will be, just where the mains wires enter under the eave at the front of the house( unless you have buried cables)
Use a rake handle with two 4" nails in the end, pop said fuse out and toss it away.
Done early sun morning when they are in a drunken sleep, they will awake to NO power and a hefty fee to have it replaced by local power company.
2/
Pay for and have a delivery of chicken manure to be deliverd to the front lawn,
at least it will not smell as bad as them!!
3/
Turn their water main off at the street, the break the top of the tap off.
No water till fixed, sad eh!

[Subike]

4/
Go to dick smith electronics and purchase a low wattage RF signal jammer,
these can be the size of a match box, and are powered by a 9volt battery the same as a fire alarm.
Try and place it in the guttering next to the Sky TV dish.
Bugger, no TV !!!!
5/
remove the NO plates from the rear of all the vehicles that frequent the place, jumble them up and reft to vehicles. Let them explain that to the police at the next booze buss check point lol.
6/
Buy a can of sellys expanding foam, peirce the can and drop it down the back vent for the toilet. This will seal the waste pipe , no explanation needed.!

[firefighter]

hahahahaha, you've dealt with this before? lol

[Slyer]

The first lot are decent but the last few are clearly sabotage :bleh:

[Littlewheels]

hope for your sake they aren't the scum that made our lives hell for 2 years!! make sure that you ring waitakere CC noise control asap otherwise a 1/2hr stand down. once they are known to the council they will come out striaght away. I was told by WCC that if they are housing corp tenents they are easier to get out than private renters. ring the cops at the first sign of trouble. ring housing NZ find out the name of the property manager and let them know everything going on. keep a diary they can use it at the tribunal hearing as evidence. WCC keep records as well, thats what got the pricks over the road out. thank god.
good luck, buy some ear plugs you will need them, best money I ever spent, useful on the bike too

[smoky]

Did you realise that the government mandate for housing NZ is to assess every applicant; and house those who are in the most need and can't be house by anyone else. That means house everyone no one else will house - because of debt, dysfunction, large families, paedophiles, criminals and generaly anyone that every other landlord has turned away.

Housing N Z is also instructed to build strong communities while doing so

Any body got any good ideas????

[firefighter]

Did you realise that the government mandate for housing NZ is to assess every applicant; and house those who are in the most need and can't be house by anyone else. That means house everyone no one else will house - because of debt, dysfunction, large families, paedophiles, criminals and generaly anyone that every other landlord has turned away.

Housing N Z is also instructed to build strong communities while doing so

Any body got any good ideas????

maybe I am better burning it down? lol. but really maybe I am if that's what's going to happen either way?

How come they have houses in areas where normal people are?

[Shadows]

Offer the fucking coconuts some jobs and you they'll drag their knuckles out of there so fast that they'll even forget to steal your dog for dinner.

[JimO]

turn the water off at the street and fill the toby with quickcrete,,,,,,,once every couple of weeks should cause someone some greif (probably housing corp plumber) put some brake fluid in a water pistol and give their cars a good squirt.........best not to be seen doing this. Im lucky i live in a relatively expensive street and the houses are all owner occupied except for a couple that are rented by doctor types.

[Wonko]

Log everything and get peoples names and numbers at HNZ when you talk to them. The video sounds great.
Call Noise control at 10, 11, 12, 1, 2, 3 until they are quiet. Noise control normally respond within an hour or so. First visit is usually a warning. Second time they can confiscate sound equipment. Get neighbors to do the same.

Do you know who actually owns the house? HNZ now leases many of it's properties from real estate investors. Many do not know what is going on in their properties. For a few dollars you can find out who owns it and a postal address. When you write a letter to HNZ saying what is going on say that you are also sending a copy to the property owner. This will put the pressure on HNZ from the investors side too. Always ask for a written response. Force them to make a paper trail at their end.

Police, next time there is a big party, say everyone is out on the street smashing bottles etc. Say that there is a fight going on. If the cops and noise control keep turning up at each party, people won't come back.

Little surprised at CYS reaction. Have seen them move fast before, 2 days from a complaint to kids removed. Advice already given about videotaping stuff you see, send them it on DVD with letter sounds good to me.

Al this takes time. Get your neighbors to do the same and you will have them gone by Christmas.<_<

[munterk6]

Hehe, a lot of talk about FIRE!!!!.....probably a bit extreme, coconuts smell real bad when burnt.
I had a lesbian hard ass bitch next door neighbour(my tenant) pull a knife on me when I fronted her in the driveway at 3.30am a few years ago. Lucky I had a friggin BIG piece of 2inch box section steel tucked away behind my back. Needless to say she dropped the knife when the reality of copping a bar in the head sunk in. She moved out the next day.... desparate times require desparate measures.
As recommended by most, harrass the FUCK out of these arseholes constantly with calls to the Police and the council noise control...dunno bout sabotage tho, if they catch you :pinch::argh:
Or....rent the house and move to Remuera lol!

[Winston001]

If you want to do some pro active action,
1/
see if you can sight the pole fuse for the power cable into the house.
If it is where I suspect it will be, just where the mains wires enter under the eave at the front of the house( unless you have buried cables)
Use a rake handle with two 4" nails in the end, pop said fuse out and toss it away.
Done early sun morning when they are in a drunken sleep, they will awake to NO power and a hefty fee to have it replaced by local power company.
2/
Pay for and have a delivery of chicken manure to be deliverd to the front lawn,
at least it will not smell as bad as them!!
3/
Turn their water main off at the street, the break the top of the tap off.
No water till fixed, sad eh!

Normally I'm law-abiding but having listened to enough distressed people over the years in this type of circumstance, well Subike has some inventive ideas...... :2guns:




How come they have houses in areas where normal people are?

It's a policy of spreading state housing tenants throughout the community. The idea is to avoid the ghettos we built up until the 1980s. The ethic is right and it works for many welfare families having normal Kiwis around them.

Sadly it doesn't work for all.

[firefighter]

It's a policy of spreading state housing tenants throughout the community. The idea is to avoid the ghettos we built up until the 1980s. The ethic is right and it works for many welfare families having normal Kiwis around them.

Sadly it doesn't work for all.

At a cost to those who live around around them....... keep them where they belong, sorry but I have it in my face, if I see the bitch scream at her kid one more time I think you might see me on the news.......

I could'nt give a shit if they live in a ghetto, if they don't work then why should they get to live on the cheap at my expense in a reasonable area whilst I struggle with my mortgage?

fuck that they can piss off and rott and annoy each other in a ghetto with their music, crap cars, drunken friends walking around, swearing, confrontational looks, shitty cars up and down the road , burnout marks, graffiti, and lowering the value of the whole area, all one houses doing.......where's the ethic of helping me and keeping things good for the neighbours who contribute to society? where's those ethics?

[firefighter]

DONE. :cool:

Tenants were relocated, I won. :banana:

Happened a few months back now, but I have waited until I saw the cleaning/repair people at the place before I gloated. :2thumbsup

Neighbourhood is quiet now, the value of the area i'm bloody sure has gone up, my mates are happy to come over again, and no word of a lie, kids are now actually playing on the street since they left.


Happy as shit I am, now I just hope they don't move in the mob.......!

[MadDuck]

Bloody well done - I guess you didnt burn their house down then.

I know exactly how you feel !

[firefighter]

Bloody well done - I guess you didnt burn their house down then.

I know exactly how you feel !

hahaha, no but I literally looked into it.......:whistle:

[stig]

Well done. :cool:

Its hard work pushing sh!t uphill through the legal avenues available to us.
You must feel on top of the world.

Have a mate in the same spot you were in.
always nicking stuff from inside thier house even when thier home. Last instance was the cell phone off the kitchen bench, when he got it blacklisted so they couldn't use it it was put through a blender or something and left in a little pile of bits at the front door.
same story of crap HNZ tenents in otherwise perfect neighborhood.

[Motu]

Our HNZ neighbours moved out last week - they shot themselves in the foot.They have been there over 25 years....that was ok,young family,a State house for a leg up.But the parents split up a couple of years ago,the father was a weekly visitor when his work brought him into the area....and the kids lived there,the eldest with several under school age kids.Then the father moved to Aust,and trying for a Government house over there,gave HNZ as a reference - ''No,we can't give you a good reference,but thank you very much for calling.'' Then they tried to take it over,but you don't inherit a State House.HNZ changed the locks and they were out!!!.

The place is a dump - it's the first time the front yard hasn't been covered in cars for decades,but the back yard is just full of crap.HNZ have to take photos and get a court order for a clean up....then the inside.For all their bad side....there were never any wild parties,never beer bottles over flowing the recycle bin tues morning,no obvious drugs.They just yelled at each other and made a mess everywhere.

We are hoping for a good neighbour - HNZ have someone,and say they are a good tennant.We shall see.

[CookMySock]

Call the councils 24 hour noise line every 20 minutes and report them. Again and again. Every 20 minutes. Keep doing it. ;)

Steve

[98tls]

Call the councils 24 hour noise line every 20 minutes and report them. Again and again. Every 20 minutes. Keep doing it. ;)

Steve Call every 5 minutes if you want,doubt even that will bother a recorded message.

[MadDuck]

Call every 5 minutes if you want,doubt even that will bother a recorded message.

Yep thats what i used to get. Hmmm got it when I dialled 111 too. I think every Kiwi needs to buy a gun and just shoot nuisance neighbours!

[rosie631]

4/
Go to dick smith electronics and purchase a low wattage RF signal jammer,
these can be the size of a match box, and are powered by a 9volt battery the same as a fire alarm.
Try and place it in the guttering next to the Sky TV dish.
Bugger, no TV !!!!
5/
remove the NO plates from the rear of all the vehicles that frequent the place, jumble them up and reft to vehicles. Let them explain that to the police at the next booze buss check point lol.
6/
Buy a can of sellys expanding foam, peirce the can and drop it down the back vent for the toilet. This will seal the waste pipe , no explanation needed.!

LOL. Nice one.:2thumbsup Remind me not to get on your wrongside.

[McJim]

We are watching a similar problem develop with private tenants. However there are now a few of us neighbours deciding to band together to see what we shall do.

Between us I'm sure we'll work something out.

[Ragingrob]

At first glance I thought the title was "Can you get Hyosung NZ tenants removed?"

Thought that was a bit rough! :lol:

[Brian d marge]

sad about the kids thou , I mean they are the innocent ones here .... I have been looking at places to live in NZ ,,,seems to me that they dont like the cold ,,,the colder it gets the less of a worry the imports are ...
but then Cleatus the slack jawed local tends to come out of hiding .....Gated communities that's where its at !!!!

Stephen

[geoffm]

I would never rent a houst to HNZ tenants

I don't see anyhting wrong with having them all together in ghettos, preferablly with armed guards and wire around the outside, so the rest of us WHO PAY FOR IT can go about our lives in peace and with much, much less crime.
If they don't like it, they can F off and get a job and pay taxes like the rest of us. Done some work on Housing NZ sites - it 100% reinforced my opinion of them being wining, lazy bludgers perfectly able to get a job - except sitting in the sun at 10am drinking beer and being paid for it is much easier.

[Dave Lobster]

I don't see anyhting wrong with having them all together in ghettos, preferablly with armed guards and wire around the outside

To be fair.. a lot of them are in there already.

[McJim]

I don't see anyhting wrong with having them all together in ghettos, preferablly with armed guards and wire around the outside, so the rest of us WHO PAY FOR IT

They built a place like that in Paisley called Ferguslie Park - it was designed in order that a minimal number of police would be able to seal the whole area if there was a riot.

The upshot of this was that the whole housing complex was easily defended by the residents should they wish to keep the police out.

They housed a whole lot of recently released criminals there a couple of decades ago. It was famous as a bolt hole for wanted crims. Dunno if that has changed since.