Coppers and traffic enforcment

[PuppetMaster]

:angry2: On the Saturday just gone, my inlaws had a visit to their home from some undesirables, ie. burglars/theieves. They were out thankfully. They stole 4x firearms, guns, that is all they took. The inlaws were only out for 2 hours, so the mongrels were probably watching and waiting.
The police were rung immediately the theft was discovered, they were told that no police were available at this time, they were all out doing fucken traffic duty. Apparently someone will visit this morning.
Now, you would think that the theft of guns would ring little alarm bells and the cops would be onto it as quick as possible. Its a reasonable asumption that the theives arent members of the local gun club, and are going to use the guns for unlawful activities.
But on the other side of the coin, the cops apprehended joe public doing 4 km's over the speed limit down the road, and saved hundreds of lives. :angry2:

[Paul in NZ]

I'm amazed that a theft of guns didn't bring a speedy result. btw - it may not be traffic duties. Police have a finite resource. Criminals don't seem to suffer the same shortages.

Have they been yet?

Paul N

ps - were the guns in a gun safe?

[MSTRS]

Another sterling job done by those fine public servants :Police: :sick: :bash:

[Clockwork]

My feelings are that racing to a crime scene probably isn't going to help them solve the crime any quicker.

[eager]

maybe you could of said people where speeding in your street and pointing guns at each other, or maybe even say theres over 100 "boyracers" dragging down the street :angry2: :angry2: cops always have time for boyracers lol can you tell ive been to the drags the other night :2thumbsup

[Mongoose]

My feelings are that racing to a crime scene probably isn't going to help them solve the crime any quicker.

Yes, rather tend to agree, burg in progress would have had a different result in response I suspect.

[crashe]

Sometimes the police come out quicker if you said there was a violent domestic...

This is a shame that there was not enough police resources to attend when firearms were at stake.... They need to get in quick to fingerprint the house.... to then hopefully have the culprits already on file.

Were the guns safely secured under lock and key?
Is the ammuniton in another secure and locked up cupboard?
Did they get the amunition?

Strange that they only took the guns....
That means they knew the guns were there and where to look for them.
Hmmm maybe an inside job.... not you, but someone who knew where they were kept and told someone who told someone... you get my meaning.

I personally HATE guns.... and dont like guns in a house even secured and locked up.. but that is my own opinion.

[bugjuice]

My feelings are that racing to a crime scene probably isn't going to help them solve the crime any quicker.
Not too sure on that. The sooner they are onto it, the sooner they know what type of firearms there are, any evidence at the scene that might give some clues, any other known activity in the area etc.. also, they would then know that any hold-ups in the area might be related etc.. The longer they wait on it, the further the theivin little shits get away.
Surprised they didn't send you a taxi. And is it just me, or do the cops seem to be a little distracted from where they're really needed?

[Jonty]

Tell the operator that you saw the offenders "speeding" from the scene, that may get their attention :2thumbsup

[spudchucka]

My feelings are that racing to a crime scene probably isn't going to help them solve the crime any quicker.
Some people figure that out heaps quicker than others.

However, in my experience every occasion where firearms have been stolen in a burglary the scene has been attended immediately. On a couple of occasions I have recovered some of the weapons hidden in bushes not far from the scene.

I simply do not believe that they were told no police were available because they were all tied up in traffic duties. They were very likely told no police were available but that doesn't mean anyone should automatically assume its because they are on traffic duties. It simply BS.

[scumdog]

Sometimes the police come out quicker if you said there was a violent domestic...

This is a shame that there was not enough police resources to attend when firearms were at stake.... They need to get in quick to fingerprint the house.... to then hopefully have the culprits already on file.

Were the guns safely secured under lock and key?
Is the ammuniton in another secure and locked up cupboard?
Did they get the amunition?

Strange that they only took the guns....
That means they knew the guns were there and where to look for them.
Hmmm maybe an inside job.... not you, but someone who knew where they were kept and told someone who told someone... you get my meaning.

I personally HATE guns.... and dont like guns in a house even secured and locked up.. but that is my own opinion.

Haven't met a gun I didn't like.

For a killing device they kill a whole lot less people than motorbikes fr'xample.

And yeah, arriving int 12 minutes with blue and red lights flashing everywhere would not make much difference to the outcome.

[PuppetMaster]

I simply do not believe that they were told no police were available because they were all tied up in traffic duties. They were very likely told no police were available but that doesn't mean anyone should automatically assume its because they are on traffic duties. It simply BS.


Actually no. They were told exactly what I said, no one is available because they are busy with traffic duty".
There wasnt even a senior officer in the station. The most senior person we could find to talk to was a civilian.

The guns were all in seperate parts of the house and shed out back. the bolts were all hidden in different places as was the ammunition. All were taken. Either, like someone said it was an inside job, which is highly unlikely, or they cased the place and searched more than once.

[spudchucka]

Actually no. They were told exactly what I said, no one is available because they are busy with traffic duty".
There wasnt even a senior officer in the station. The most senior person we could find to talk to was a civilian.
Why didn't you ring 111? Wasn't it an emergency? Didn't you want immediate response?

Regardless of the crap in the news 111 is still the best way to get response from police.

The civilian you spoke to was probably in charge of lost property and wouldn't even have had a clue about what the local police units were doing at the time.

[Drunken Monkey]

...can you tell ive been to the drags the other night :2thumbsup

Haven't been for yonks, used to drive through Neilson St, Wiri Station Rd and Te Irirangi until 1 or 2 am looking for the convoys, but haven't seen squat for ages. Is it starting to pick up again??

[trev]

[QUOTE=The guns were all in seperate parts of the house and shed out back. the bolts were all hidden in different places as was the ammunition. [/QUOTE]

You might be onto something here.
I might try this with my bike - wheels in the wardrobe, fuel tank in the bath, handle bars in the cutlery drawer etc. etc. & see if my insurance premium goes down.

[Clockwork]

You might be onto something here.
I might try this with my bike - wheels in the wardrobe, fuel tank in the bath, handle bars in the cutlery drawer etc. etc. & see if my insurance premium goes down.
For God's sake! Don't publish this in an open forum. The next think you know it will become a mandatary requirement for a policy. :Pokey:

[limmy]

:angry2: On the Saturday just gone, my inlaws had a visit to their home from some undesirables, ie. burglars/theieves. They were out thankfully. They stole 4x firearms, guns, that is all they took. The inlaws were only out for 2 hours, so the mongrels were probably watching and waiting.
The police were rung immediately the theft was discovered, they were told that no police were available at this time, they were all out doing fucken traffic duty. Apparently someone will visit this morning.
Now, you would think that the theft of guns would ring little alarm bells and the cops would be onto it as quick as possible. Its a reasonable asumption that the theives arent members of the local gun club, and are going to use the guns for unlawful activities.
But on the other side of the coin, the cops apprehended joe public doing 4 km's over the speed limit down the road, and saved hundreds of lives. :angry2:


it pisses me off infinitely when i hear stuff like that happen. But at the same time you kinda wonder is it the dispatchers fault? Cause obviously the guys out on duty aren't the people that are answering your calls. I say this only because in my experience talking to these phone operator type people can sometimes feel like u're talking to a robot and robots dont' really think....they just do.

Which makes me think maybe there's something wrong with process and policies at the police call centres. I would imagine that these people at the call centre should be logging their calls on a computer somewhere. And in one of those little text box will be a description of the call. You would imagine that in this instance one of the words entered as a description would be "fireaarms" or something to that effect AND you would think that this would trigger some sort of alarm.

Anyway...i'm rambling. But I think your inlaws should file a complain and they can use the recording of the phone call as proof of the operators incompetency.

[scumdog]

Anyway...i'm rambling. But I think your inlaws should file a complain and they can use the recording of the phone call as proof of the operators incompetency.

And how did this "incompetency" negatively affect the outcome?

[Stevo]

Were your inlaws hunters or just real keen on their weapons? :banana: All guns are good guns (well mostly). Generally the nut behind the bolt that is the major problem!

I know many a target rifle shooter round U Hutt so hope it wasn't one of them!

[crunch]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!! :angry2:


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?

[spudchucka]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!! :angry2:


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?
7 cops! Lucky you.

[jrandom]

The guns were all in seperate parts of the house and shed out back. the bolts were all hidden in different places as was the ammunition.

Were they actually locked up, and if so, how?

It's just dumb to leave guns lying around, even if they're "hidden", to be taken without at least 20 minutes or so of work with screwdrivers and crowbars. They'll always be right up there with compact electronics and cash as the most desirably nickable things you have in the house.

[scumdog]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!! :angry2:


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?

The first three were virtually unpreventable, the 4th YOU could have prevented.

[Biff]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!! :angry2:


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?


Seems a bit odd that you complain that the cops weren't quick enough to respond when someone else broke the law, yet you complain when you get caught breaking the law.

It kind of begs the question, which was the most serious offence of the ones you've listed? Theft from a car is relatively trivial (in the given examples) and it could also be argued that your crime was more serious as you may have caused an accident.

The housebreak example stinks. That's just bad management of policing, not bad policing in itself. Inadequate resource and/or poor resource management would be to blame here, and police officers in general can hardly be held accountable for this. This is a political and bureaucratic problem.

[idb]

Seems a bit odd that you complain that the cops weren't quick enough to respond when someone else was broke the law, yet you complain when you get caught breaking the law.


Pullleeaase!! :brick:
Did you forget to type PT at the bottom?

[Biff]

Pullleeaase!! :brick:
Did you forget to type PT at the bottom?

Nope. A law is a law, as much as we think that some laws are an ass. Although it does sound a bit harsh to get ticketed for running a yellow light. But insinuating that you shouldn’t get ticketed for one crime, or the police shouldn't stop you for one crime, but do so for others is absurd. A crime is a crime.

What I mean by what I said is, if you commit a crime expect to get caught, that way you won't get a surprise if and when a cop does catch you.

[idb]

So you would feel OK about it if you got ticketted racing to the Police Station to tell them that your family was being held at gunpoint in a home invasion?
The law is the law. :msn-wink:

Maybe a global perspective would confirm that law enforcement resources and attention are being shared appropriately but an individual is always going to relate to their personal experiences.

Hmmmm...In fact - without wanting to open the whole 'police are bastards/good guys/just doing a job' discussion on this thread, maybe that is the whole problem with that discussion.

Some are debating on a global level (the police are just doing their job, having to deal with arseholes on our behalf, speed kills and anything that slows people down is good, NZers are shocking drivers, there isn't enough money allocated to the cops) and others are talking on a personal level (I got nailed for running a yellow light after an unsatisfactory response for my burglaries, I got pulled over for 112ks by a complete prick, I got let off for 121ks with a warning, I've seen cops doing things to friends & relatives of mine that you wouldn't believe [WHINJA..I'm looking at you]).
They are two completely different perspectives and no resolution or agreement could ever be reached.

Am I making any sense? :confused:
Anyway - I'll throw it out there.

Gosh, I think I've just expressed an opinion requiring independent thought? :gob:
Mother will be so proud
Mother.....muuuuuutherrrr....!!!!!
Come and look what I done!

[scumdog]

Does EVERYBODY else at the various business that you guys on the site go to give you THAT much better a service than Police or what?- and if these businesses gave you a bad deal did you report it on this site?
Never had a bum deal off them in my life (except when I have to work the weekend of a rally)
I've had my odd run in with them but excepting one experience in the last 24 years they have all been more than reasonable.

Is it just they are easy 'targets'?

Or is it SOME KBers have a chip on their shoulder about them?

[750Y]

Yes, rather tend to agree, burg in progress would have had a different result in response I suspect.

...whatever! the reality is far different in Auckland i'm afraid. i've tried that & they despatched a car to howick from papakura which is over half an hour away(in nz biggest city!?) what a joke! but fear not people!... officer issued traffic infringements have increased almost 300% since 2000. I wish the money grabbers would leave the cops alone to let them get on with the real jobs.

[Indoo]

...whatever! the reality is far different in Auckland i'm afraid. i've tried that & they despatched a car to howick from papakura which is over half an hour away(in nz biggest city!?) what a joke! but fear not people!... officer issued traffic infringements have increased almost 300% since 2000. I wish the money grabbers would leave the cops alone to let them get on with the real jobs.

Oh wait, so they diverted a car directly to you out of its normal district to deal with your problem, and yet you still blame them for not caring?

And if there had been a so-called traffic car free you can guarantee they would have gone/been sent to that job also if they were close.

But of course its easier to make assumptions, after all isn't that what the herald on Sunday teaches you?

[MikeL]

1) Car broken into - cops 'couldn't attend'
2) Car broken into a 2nd time - cops 'couldn't attend'
3) House broken into - cops 'couldn't attend' for 3 days but 'don't disturb the scene'
4) I go thru a YELLOW light - 7 cops ticket me !!!!! :angry2:


I guess my going thru a yellow light was a much more serious offence ?

Interesting set of responses to your post, crunch. I have to say that in your position I would feel aggrieved as well. You're not complaining about being caught breaking a traffic law (do some people deliberately misunderstand these things, I wonder??) but about the misplaced priorities. And you get one cop replying that the 3 property crimes that you were a victim of were unavoidable! How's that for cynicism? Only bettered by another cop's post that was meant to be facetious but just reminds us all why the police have lost so much respect... "Arrogant" would be a masterpiece of understatement.

Incidentally, the topic of loss of respect for the police came up the other day at a genteel ever-so-upper-middle-class-but not-trendy-lefty dinner that I was at. Most people had complaints about the HP and speed cameras as you would expect and that has clearly diminished the image of the police but what surprised me was the level of bitterness and mistrust that came out time and time again. There were the predictable stories about lack of response to property crimes, and of course all the scandals and cock-ups that have been in the news recently were brought up, and the farce that is the Police Complaints Authority, but the shocking thing was the accounts by parents of how their teenage and young adult children had been treated - stories of hassling, harrassment, bullying, threats, etc., often associated with traffic enforcement but also for supected minor drug and alcohol infringments and other matters. Now I know that you have to take what kids tell their parents with a grain of salt, and of course even kids from respectable families can get out of hand, but when you consistently hear stories of blatant injustice and illegal actions by the police from parents who a generation ago would have cuffed the kid over the earhole and told him not to tell lies about the fine upstanding police-force, you begin to wonder what is happening...

And all the while the police refuse to admit they have an image problem, and that it's just us whingers who should take a reality check and then shut up, and let them get on with the job, the support and respect they don't acknowledge that they need continues to ebb away. Do you guys need someone to explain what "arrogant" means?

[scumdog]

Why have cops SUDDENLY screwed up so much lately? why have they ONLY made mistakes in the last 4-5 years at most?

Why is it the same dudes doing the same job year-in-year-out all of a sudden start to make mistakes?

Why NOW do people complain if those mistakes have been made throughout history? :spudwhat:

And as I've said, the way the Govt. sees it: ONE fatal crash prevented is more than equal to the monetary cost of 10 burglaries or similar crimes.

-And it's money that counts when it comes to what counts with the Govt.

[Stevo]

Why have cops SUDDENLY screwed up so much lately? why have they ONLY made mistakes in the last 4-5 years at most?

Why is it the same dudes doing the same job year-in-year-out all of a sudden start to make mistakes?

Why NOW do people complain if those mistakes have been made throughout history? :spudwhat:

And as I've said, the way the Govt. sees it: ONE fatal crash prevented is more than equal to the monetary cost of 10 burglaries or similar crimes.

-And it's money that counts when it comes to what counts with the Govt.

Hmmmmmm. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We still think of General Custer an idiot............. but maybe he too was misinformed.

[spudchucka]

but the shocking thing was the accounts by parents of how their teenage and young adult children had been treated - stories of hassling, harrassment, bullying, threats, etc., often associated with traffic enforcement but also for supected minor drug and alcohol infringments and other matters. Now I know that you have to take what kids tell their parents with a grain of salt, and of course even kids from respectable families can get out of hand, but when you consistently hear stories of blatant injustice and illegal actions by the police from parents who a generation ago would have cuffed the kid over the earhole and told him not to tell lies about the fine upstanding police-force, you begin to wonder what is happening...
There was a time parents supported the police and were quite happy for their little brats to get a bloody good frightening.

These days they have no respect, no fear of consequences, all the rights and none of the responsibilities, its always somebody elses fault, they tell their teachers to get fucked with no consequences, the parents don't back up the schools when they try to discipline their kids and then they do the same thing when their brats are older and coming to the attention of the police.

Ask yourself who is to blame? The air-headed parents who live in la-la-land.


Seven cops to hand out one ticket for an orange light? He was either stupid enough to do it in front of 7 cops at a check point or its the usual exagerated bullshit that idiots keep chundering up with monotonous regularity. Call it arrogant if you want.

[ManDownUnder]

There was a time parents supported the police and were quite happy for their little brats to get a bloody good frightening.

These days they have no respect, no fear of consequences, all the rights and none of the responsibilities, its always somebody elses fault, they tell their teachers to get fucked with no consequences, the parents don't back up the schools when they try to discipline their kids and then they do the same thing when their brats are older and coming to the attention of the police.

I'm happy for my kids to get a rark up from a cop (they're only 5 and 2). My problem is that every time they climb out of their seatbelts there is no cop to be found. I'd love for the long arm of the law to step over and have a quiet word.

Adding to your comments about "no responsibility" there is the added pressures of encouraging people to do bad stuff through vidieo games and videos etc. I know the majority of people are not likely affected/significantly influenced by them, but for the one or two that are...

Teaching kids to shoot people, drive fast and run people over, beat the crap out of people etc etc can not be a good thing for them. Then they go do it for real (and I can't wait for generation of 12 year old X-Boxers to hit the streets)... smoke a little pot (as kids often do - lets face it).

Yeah - not a good combo.

... bit I digress... rant over!
MDU

[Biff]

You're not complaining about being caught breaking a traffic law (do some people deliberately misunderstand these things, I wonder??) but about the misplaced priorities.


And he has every right to be aggrieved. But there just so happened to be 7 (?) police officers that were there to witness him jumping the orange light, and there were no police sitting outside his home waiting for it to be burgled. A deliberate misunderstand on your part perhaps?

I believe what this example, and all the others we see commonly being posted here demonstrates is that the time has now come to amalgamate the H.P with the wider police force. If there is a serious crime, of which I consider gun theft to be, then the nearest available police officers should attend, irrespective of whether they're H.P or otherwise. I know this is supposed to happen today, but from what I read here and see in the press, it isn't.


Why have cops SUDDENLY screwed up so much lately? why have they ONLY made mistakes in the last 4-5 years at most?

It's probably more to do with a general backlash from the public. They're pissed of at what they deem to be a heavy-handed approach by the H.P and the apparent revenue generation policies set by the government.

I doubt that the public would mind paying the odd speeding ticket and quit moaning as much if they saw some tangible improvements in public service as a direct result of the money being ploughed back into road safety, the police force in general and wider public services.

[Sniper]

I'm amazed that a theft of guns didn't bring a speedy result. btw - it may not be traffic duties. Police have a finite resource. Criminals don't seem to suffer the same shortages.

Have they been yet?

Paul N

ps - were the guns in a gun safe?

I dont know, the cops up here in Marlborough use........ wait for it..........

9 cop cars and 15 police officers to do a warrent and rego check on a Rural road, thereby effectivly reducing the number of cars on the road and police on the beat to 2 patrol cars and 4 police officers at which 2 have to stay at the station.

I think they should fire their resource consent manager. :banana:

[Sniper]

Hmmmmmm. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We still think of General Custer an idiot............. but maybe he too was misinformed.

Yea but he also said before he died was........ "They were only just singing and dancing a minute ago" :spudwhat:

[toads]

The thing that seems logical to me, is to go back to the original system of each gun having to have registration for itself and can only be sold by a registered gun trader, the chances are most crims won't have a gun licence and will find ways around purchasing ammo etc. Our guns are locked in a cabinet that would take a real effort to break into, and the bolts, and ammo are elsewhere, and would take years to find, having been burgaled in the past I know stolen property can be recovered years down the track, if you have good descriptions of the items taken.
Sounds like these people knew where to look to find the items, and it was a specific targetted theft. So therefore you need to find out who has been in the home known or unknown to your family in the previous few weeks, then see which of them has a previous conviction for theft.

[hobdar]

I think that it is important to have police dedicated to traffic patrol, in my opinion if the police were actually harder on the minor offences i.e. traffic other problems in society would be less.

BUT if there is an incident involving harm to an individual then the closest unit should respond regardless of what they are 'tasked' with.

In my experience with police i have always had a good response time, for 5 + incidents at various times of day and night, sometimes with 5+ cops + dog unit showing up within a few minutes where i have reported people attempting to bash someone or break in my house while we were there...


We need to remember that the police force is only human and that the media lives for bad news not good, we hardly ever see the cops getting praised for doing there everyday job.or even doing things beyond their job description....

And before we criticise them we should take the time to walk a day in their shoes and arrange a ride along to see what they have to deal with every day...

[Sniper]

The thing that seems logical to me, is to go back to the original system of each gun having to have registration for itself and can only be sold by a registered gun trader, the chances are most crims won't have a gun licence and will find ways around purchasing ammo etc. Our guns are locked in a cabinet that would take a real effort to break into, and the bolts, and ammo are elsewhere, and would take years to find, having been burgaled in the past I know stolen property can be recovered years down the track, if you have good descriptions of the items taken.
Sounds like these people knew where to look to find the items, and it was a specific targetted theft. So therefore you need to find out who has been in the home known or unknown to your family in the previous few weeks, then see which of them has a previous conviction for theft.


Thats what they do in SA and it seems to work there, so why not here?? What happens if someone breaks into a house with 40 odd rifles?? :confused:

[idb]

I think that it is important to have police dedicated to traffic patrol, in my opinion if the police were actually harder on the minor offences i.e. traffic other problems in society would be less.

BUT if there is an incident involving harm to an individual then the closest unit should respond regardless of what they are 'tasked' with.

In my experience with police i have always had a good response time, for 5 + incidents at various times of day and night, sometimes with 5+ cops + dog unit showing up within a few minutes where i have reported people attempting to bash someone or break in my house while we were there...


We need to remember that the police force is only human and that the media lives for bad news not good, we hardly ever see the cops getting praised for doing there everyday job.or even doing things beyond their job description....

And before we criticise them we should take the time to walk a day in their shoes and arrange a ride along to see what they have to deal with every day...

This demonstrates my point of yesterday.
You are combining discussions about the police force as a system and cops as individuals.
The Police Force is not human but the cops are.
So what is the conclusion? Do we not criticise the Police Force because the individuals do a difficult job? :spudwhat:

I agree that we shouldn't criticise individuals because we think the system sucks but a lot of people have difficulty seaparating the two.

[spudchucka]

I'm happy for my kids to get a rark up from a cop (they're only 5 and 2). My problem is that every time they climb out of their seatbelts there is no cop to be found. I'd love for the long arm of the law to step over and have a quiet word.
I had a father march his son into the police station to get a telling off for continually taking his seat belt off. Apparently the kid, (about 6 years old) thought it was a big joke. In a very stern voice the young fellow was told in no uncertain terms that he absolutely must wear his seat belt in the car. The poor kid was in tears before he got into the station and was bellowing his lungs out when he left.


Bet he wears his seat belt from now on though. :niceone:

[idb]

I had a father march his son into the police station to get a telling off for continually taking his seat belt off. Apparently the kid, (about 6 years old) thought it was a big joke. In a very stern voice the young fellow was told in no uncertain terms that he absolutely must wear his seat belt in the car. The poor kid was in tears before he got into the station and was bellowing his lungs out when he left.


Bet he wears his seat belt from now on though. :niceone:

The only problem with that Spud is that he will be posting on this forum in a few years complaining about what pricks cops are and how he has experienced shit that we can't understand - where is WINJA anyway?
Maybe you should have a separate wee office where someone poses as God to tell these kids off? :D

[ManDownUnder]

I had a father march his son into the police station to get a telling off for continually taking his seat belt off. Apparently the kid, (about 6 years old) thought it was a big joke. In a very stern voice the young fellow was told in no uncertain terms that he absolutely must wear his seat belt in the car. The poor kid was in tears before he got into the station and was bellowing his lungs out when he left.


Bet he wears his seat belt from now on though. :niceone:

I think my kids would respond to the mere presence of authority but those words coming from the police would work... I might see if I can arrange something with the local cops...

[spudchucka]

The only problem with that Spud is that he will be posting on this forum in a few years complaining about what pricks cops are and how he has experienced shit that we can't understand - where is WINJA anyway?
Maybe you should have a separate wee office where someone poses as God to tell these kids off? :D
It wasn't that much of a telling off. The wee chap was already worked into a frenzy by the time his dad had drag him into the shop. I guess it will depend on parental input as to how the boy recalls the moment in later life?

[vifferman]

It wasn't that much of a telling off. The wee chap was already worked into a frenzy by the time his dad had drag him into the shop. I guess it will depend on parental input as to how the boy recalls the moment in later life?
Heh... at the races at Paeroa on Sunday, a couple of uniformed officers walked past where we were sitting. A small boy behind me said in a loudish voice, "Dad - are they coming to lock me up?":confused:

[spudchucka]

Heh... at the races at Paeroa on Sunday, a couple of uniformed officers walked past where we were sitting. A small boy behind me said in a loudish voice, "Dad - are they coming to lock me up?":confused:
I guess that would mean that dear old dad has been locked up more than a few times in the past and junior has been around to see it. Sad.

[crashe]

I guess that would mean that dear old dad has been locked up more than a few times in the past and junior has been around to see it. Sad.

or it means the kid has been a right royal shit... and dad has threatened him as a last resort with the cops coming to lock him up if he dont behave himself... and then the cops walk past.....

[750Y]

Oh wait, so they diverted a car directly to you out of its normal district to deal with your problem
no



and yet you still blame them for not caring?

did i?



And if there had been a so-called traffic car free you can guarantee they would have gone/been sent to that job also if they were close.

can i?



But of course its easier to make assumptions, after all isn't that what the herald on Sunday teaches you?

is it?

lmao, you are a funny guy...

back to the other issue tho,
i am concerned about the fact that these firearms may not have been stored correctly. anyone else out there with firearms please secure them appropriately.

[scumdog]

back to the other issue tho,
i am concerned about the fact that these firearms may not have been stored correctly. anyone else out there with firearms please secure them appropriately.

Gun security is a must but think of this; there have been more people killed with stolen cars/bikes than stolen firearms.

And how much effort is put into vehicle security? :spudwhat:

[bikerboy]

Why didn't you ring 111? Wasn't it an emergency? Didn't you want immediate response?........The civilian you spoke to was probably in charge of lost property and wouldn't even have had a clue about what the local police units were doing at the time.

Yeah it is always someone else's fault, right?

Are the police in the habit of hiring complete idiots that know fu*k all about why they are there, what the actual police are doing, or what they should be doing when the public calls? That's a rhetorical question Spud. (that means you don't reply).

This post was about a robbery involving guns and the lack of police attendance/interest. Why are the integrety of the member and the facts questioned. If you don't believe them, just ignore the post. No need to say it's bullshit or the person didn't do this right or bla bla bla.

Sorry to here about the robbery, glad no one was hurt and I hope the Police catch the bastards. Cause like it or not the police are all there is to protect the citizens.

Oh and one more thing, while it is no secret that I'm less than impressed with the Traffic cops and their fascist attitudes, I do have a tremendous amount of respect/admiration for the police that are trying to keep us safe. It's a dangerous and difficult job.

If resources are the issue, seems to me it is far more important to deal with crimes first, and speeding offences when the other more serious matters are dealt with in a more timely fashion.


:done:

[scumdog]

It wasn't a "robbery", it was a theft/burglary but not a robbery, the victims were not present, did not see the offender, etc.

[spudchucka]

Are the police in the habit of hiring complete idiots that know fu*k all about why they are there, what the actual police are doing, or what they should be doing when the public calls? That's a rhetorical question Spud. (that means you don't reply).You don't drop a clanger like that and say "don't reply".

What do you know about the civilian that was spoken to? Was it the cleaner? Was it the telephonist? Maybe it was a computer operator? Does that make them a complete idiot who doesn't know why they are there? No it fucken doesn't!

Should these people be aware of where all the police units are at any stage of the day? No, its not their job. However the communicator at the other end of the 111 call does know where all of the polcie units are at any particular time of the day. Why? Because its their job.

Its simple. If there is an emergency, ring 111. It is the quickest and easiest way to have contact with a police officer. If its not an emergency then go to the police station to report it. In the case of a burglary the police need to attend the scene, leaving it and going to the police station is just lengthening the process


If resources are the issue, seems to me it is far more important to deal with crimes first, and speeding offences when the other more serious matters are dealt with in a more timely fashion. Guess what would have happened if they had phoned 111? That's a rhetorical question bikerboy. (that means you don't reply)

[Coldkiwi]

Guess what would have happened if they had phoned 111? That's a rhetorical question bikerboy. (that means you don't reply)

thats ok, BB, I'll do it for you (I know the answer) ,or at least I think I do.... something about a taxi right?


Lets not pretend that the 111 system is as infalliable as it should be either eh?

[ManDownUnder]

From what I can see - it's the system, not necessarily the people that have the shortcomings.

That being said I know people aren't perfect (which is why the system is there to address any shortcomings individuals bring to the party).

From what I know, the cops are doing the best job they can, at the direction of those above them. Those attending the 111 calls are doing the best they can considering any limitations they have put upon them.

Anyone expecting to go through life with everything working around them is dreaming. It'd be nice, and things do go well most of the time... but isn't that the very reason why 111 class with problems hit the news?

I'm not saying ignore it - no way. I'm saying deal with it. Learn from it, make changes necessary to make sure it don't happen again and lay the blame where it resides.

To be honest - I wouldn't want to be a cop. It'd be damned hard work, dangerous and full of paperwork (well that's my perception anyway). As for being a 111 operator or police dispatcher... one wrong call and someone could die?!?

Yeesh.. no thanks.

Let's not beat the crap out of each on this stuff... aren't we big enough to establish where problems actually exist, where our differences of opinion actually are and live with it. I see no point in having a heart attack over it.

... concilliatory rant over...
MDU

[Skunk]

Let's not beat the crap out of each on this stuff... aren't we big enough to establish where problems actually exist, where our differences of opinion actually are and live with it. I see no point in having a heart attack over it.

... concilliatory rant over...
MDUI don't know if anyone's listening 'cos you're making too much sense... :confused:

[spudchucka]

thats ok, BB, I'll do it for you (I know the answer) ,or at least I think I do.... something about a taxi right?


Lets not pretend that the 111 system is as infalliable as it should be either eh?
No one is saying its infallible but in this instance it would have appropriate system to use and the better option.

If bikerboy wants to berate the civilian, non-sworn police employees, say that they know fuck all about why they are there, what to do when the public calls and what they actual police are doing, then he should have some understanding of what he is talking about. Which clearly he doesn't!

[scumdog]

I don't know if anyone's listening 'cos you're making too much sense... :confused:

I agree, this site is on its way to Hell in a handcart if we allow sense like this to be posted....

More brainless :angry2: needed to entertain us.

[750Y]

Gun security is a must but think of this; there have been more people killed with stolen cars/bikes than stolen firearms.

And how much effort is put into vehicle security? :spudwhat:

that's a really interesting point scumdog. never even though about it before...
any practical suggestions about securing a motorvehicle? immoblisers/alarms/steering wheel locks etc? what in your experience has been the most effective?

[Biff]

that's a really interesting point scumdog. never even though about it before...
any practical suggestions about securing a motorvehicle? immoblisers/alarms/steering wheel locks etc? what in your experience has been the most effective?

If I may interject. Having lived in the city which, at the time, had the highest rate of car theft in Europe (Swansea), and run a successful car alarm installation workshop:

1. Visible deterrent - Scumbags move on to easier targets. Steering locks, or even flashing LED's work to an extent.
2. Alarm/immobiliser - So the scumbags get in. But they can't take it away without a noise and a whole heap of re-wiring (if properly installed).

Preferably both of the above.