Female officer beaten until unrecognisable by teen [Archive]

firefighter

27th January 2009, 08:34

Just thought i'd add this to this-mornings delightful news.....

Auckland police communications staff listened in horror over police radio to a woman officer being beaten up by a suspected teenage robber yesterday.

The victim was in Auckland's Middlemore Hospital today awaiting surgery for "horrific injuries" after the bashing in Pakuranga yesterday.

The drama began when the officer responded to an emergency call from the Tiraumea Superette in Tiraumea Drive, about an armed robbery.

After a tip-off about where the robber was, the officer and her male colleague arrived at his house. He was in the shower at the time and fled wearing only a towel.

They chased him, splitting up as they ran.

When the policewoman tried to stop the teen, he straddled her and beat her numerous times in the face.

She suffered severe injuries, including to her eyes.

Police communications staff heard her screaming over the police radio for about two minutes as she was being pummelled.

He fled after being confronted by passersby but but was eventually caught naked by police dogs.

Resident Helen Cohen said the officer was covered in blood.

"She had severe swelling...couldn't see out of her eyes and was unrecognisable," she told The New Zealand Herald..

She was surprised by the injuries the attacker inflicted, considering he was "a skinny guy. He must have been an angry young man."

Jesus why arm our cops again? :no: Oh wait, just the armed offenders should carry guns some of your fucken retards say.........what about this lady huh? Had she had a gun- proceedure would have been- take aim, he's going to resisit, shoot the little cunt. Better than the result seen here but that's just me huh?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4830542a11.html

I realise my callous veiws towards crimminals offends many of you, but too bad someones gotta be the bad guy.....lol

Colapop

27th January 2009, 08:38

Aren't they armed with Tasers now?

firefighter

27th January 2009, 08:40

Aren't the armed with Tasers now?

hmmmm, I dunno, I thought they were'nt in yet, but maybe, they were having problems using them out south as the Island communities were concerned that they have bad hearts (or something to that effect) and that it may cause a heart attack for the poor animal being tazed.......I kid you not.

Swoop

27th January 2009, 08:42

I wonder what the police dog latched onto, to catch the bastard?

nallac

27th January 2009, 08:48

yip arm them,so they can shoot cunts like him...........piece of shit.

samgab

27th January 2009, 08:55

That's pretty bad.
A naked 16yo boy, beating the crap out of a female police officer!
Some stories you just couldn't make up.

Does it seem to anyone else that NZ has gotten suddenly much more violent recently, as in already this year -- which we're still in the first month of?
Shootings, and guns, and violent crimes, etc.
The BK incident this morning.
This incident yesterday.
The fatal stabbing in Dunedin last night.

It seems like it's a daily occurrence now.

And how often is "P" a major factor?
Most of the time, it seems.

Slyer

27th January 2009, 08:55

Yep, tasers are the way to go. They should only be used in situations where you would otherwise shoot them though.
If you have a bad heart, don't attack the police.

yod

27th January 2009, 08:59

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

firefighter

27th January 2009, 09:02

If you have a bad heart, don't attack the police.

Yes well, an absolute joke that the Pi's were taken seriously on this, my immediate yell at the t.v was "don't break the fucken law then!" But typical New Zealanders siding with the poor old crimminals.......

And as for only pulling out the tazer when absolutely necessary- fuck that, let em' have a bit of free reign, only someone planning on pushing that limit should be concerned about the rules regarding them, when you say shit like that, crimminals know you can only pull it out when it's probably too late- you realise crimminals know this stuff eh?

firefighter

27th January 2009, 09:03

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

you seen the size of some of the 16 year olds now-days? lol.

Plus being naked he probably had an advantage (no clothing to grab as leverage etc, just wet slippery skin)

I do see your point though......

samgab

27th January 2009, 09:06

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

The only reason I can think of that he'd be able to do this much damage, when naked and unarmed is if he was amped up on some kind of chemical stimulation. In which case she didn't have much of a shot of subduing him without using a weapon of some kind.
I wonder what happened to her ASP retractable baton. Those things hurt like hell. A few carefully placed taps on the head with one of those and that guy wouldn't have had any fight left in him. Even one on the funny bone would do it.
And no, that wasn't a euphemism...

yod

27th January 2009, 09:07

yeah, maybe she panicked or froze? who knows....

if he was that scary I'd either be bashing him in the gnads with the plodstick or waiting for backup

Dean

27th January 2009, 09:07

samgab

27th January 2009, 09:09

that would be crazy listening to her screaming over the walkie talkie thingy.bad thing that happened but did you say the crim was caught naked in a literal sense maybe the guy was rooting her (or rape) that explains most of the screaming

No, I advise you rta. He was in the shower when they found him after following up on the robberies he'd done a few minutes earlier. He took of with just a towel, which he dropped during the foot chase.

Slyer

27th January 2009, 09:09

And as for only pulling out the tazer when absolutely necessary- fuck that, let em' have a bit of free reign, only someone planning on pushing that limit should be concerned about the rules regarding them, when you say shit like that, crimminals know you can only pull it out when it's probably too late- you realise crimminals know this stuff eh?
Pull it out straight away and only fire when needed.

maybe the guy was rooting her (or rape) that explains most of the screaming
I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned that.
Think for once...

firefighter

27th January 2009, 09:09

The only reason I can think of that he'd be able to do this much damage, when naked and unarmed is if he was amped up on some kind of chemical stimulation. In which case she didn't have much of a shot of subduing him without using a weapon of some kind.
I wonder what happened to her ASP retractable baton. Those things hurt like hell. A few carefully placed taps on the head with one of those and that guy wouldn't have had any fight left in him. Even one on the funny bone would do it.
And no, that wasn't a euphemism...

The asp is good, but it is proved that those on serious stimmulants can even be so enraged and amped up that tazers are ineffective and it takes about three shots with a tazer to get the job done, and reading about how ferociously he beat her my bet is that he was on something.....

mashman

27th January 2009, 09:12

you realise crimminals know this stuff eh?

Surely not... criminals are all brainless P'd up idiots aren't they... it does go beyond pathetic that we equip a Police Force to handle situations and then hang them out to dry when something goes wrong... the person fell over and hurt himself... sorry he says you pushed him and that caused his broken toe. We believe the criminal and you're sacked!!!

Skyryder

27th January 2009, 09:13

The asp is good, but it is proved that those on serious stimmulants can even be so enraged and amped up that tazers are ineffective and it takes about three shots with a tazer to get the job done, and reading about how ferociously he beat her my bet is that he was on something.....

and will offer the excuse that he can't remember like the other one.

This guy needs to be strung up by the goolies and left to rot.............like the other one.

Skyryder

mashman

27th January 2009, 09:13

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

Only if they are prepared to cause injury and risk their career

imdying

27th January 2009, 09:13

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?Ha, like to see you take on my 6'3" 13 year old brother in law :rofl:

Loved this part of the article.
The youth suffered minor injuries during the arrest.I hope minor injuries included a maglite up the arse oh about a foot, and then down the throat by a similar amount.

Dean

27th January 2009, 09:14

he was in the shower when they found him oh k.that hoodlum kid probly got caught jerking of in the shower and ran around with a boner explaining why she couldnt touch him.that is possible yano.teenagers these days aye there all rap music and otara stuff.im the same age as this kid but most teenager kbers arent all hoodlums.bikes rule:headbang::2thumbsup

samgab

27th January 2009, 09:19

Slyer

27th January 2009, 09:26

youngbiker, stop making us teenagers look stupid.
<tenchar////>

Dean

27th January 2009, 09:28

Yes. I'm glad that some of our teens are good lads like you with great grammar. Keep up the good work.

thank you samgab.but its true once you start riding you dont like the whole rap music wannabe hoodlum south auckland stuff.ive noticed im not the only one,kber teenagers rule.i used to live with my dad in manurewa walking round like a fuckin immature kid with a bandana on.if i got done for a crime it would be for speeding on my suzuki gn250rr this hoodie kid got caught jerking of in a shower and chased by police butt naked.:laugh:

yod

27th January 2009, 09:29

Ha, like to see you take on my 6'3" 13 year old brother in law :rofl:

oh sorry, are we playing "My Dad's bigger than your Dad"?

I'd like to see you take on my 3rd dan Hapkido black belt mate from down the road, but that's also completely irrelevant

but i digress and you missed the point

here, read it again

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

in other words, if she is properly trained, then perhaps being a police officer isn't the vocation for her...given that she clearly couldnt deal with the situation...

scracha

27th January 2009, 09:31

Had she had a gun- proceedure would have been- take aim, he's going to resisit, shoot the little cunt. Better than the result seen here but that's just me huh?

But the result would more often than not be "little bastard whips out own gun and shoots police officer". If you routinely arm cops then the bad guys start arming themselves.....just like in the USA.

A much better deterrent would be giving the little $hits decent prison sentences and doing away with the mamby pamby bull$hit hotels that they call prisons.

firefighter

27th January 2009, 09:36

gimme a police baton and I'll happily beat the living fuck out of him

but i digress and you missed the point

here, read it again

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

in other words, if she is properly trained, then perhaps being a police officer isn't the vocation for her...

I watch cops regularly, and I know for a fact, that american cops are trained farken well, and iv'e seen many times American cops over-powered/out faught by a crimminal....think about it......

In this case, remember she was chasing him, he probably turned on her as she was running at him, try and handle an asp at full speed chasing someone, have them turn on you and use it effectively....come-on, it's not like the cops are trained as blackbelts! Get over the fact that he was 16 too, he was probably the size of a 20 year old Islander......

firefighter

27th January 2009, 09:41

But the result would more often than not be "little bastard whips out own gun and shoots police officer". If you routinely arm cops then the bad guys start arming themselves.....just like in the USA.
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Most of the crimms now already have guns, and as for the kids, well comeon they'd have to get one first, arming the cops is'nt giving the population the right to bear arms- that's how the yank kids get them.....it's just giving our crimms a real reason to reconsider fucking with our cops, and maybe instill a little respect and fear- which can't be a bad thing.

samgab

27th January 2009, 09:41

But the result would more often than not be "little bastard whips out own gun and shoots police officer". If you routinely arm cops then the bad guys start arming themselves.....just like in the USA.

A much better deterrent would be giving the little $hits decent prison sentences and doing away with the mamby pamby bull$hit hotels that they call prisons.

I'd be curious as to where this guy would have whipped his gun from...
Just joking, I know you said more often than not.
But seriously, imagine if this officer had've had a gun, and had actually shot this naked, unarmed, "defenceless" 16yo boy...
Image the media circus then!

yod

27th January 2009, 09:42

I watch cops regularly, and I know for a fact, that american cops are trained farken well, and iv'e seen many times American cops over-powered/out faught by a crimminal....think about it......

In this case, remember she was chasing him, he probably turned on her as she was running at him, try and handle an asp at full speed chasing someone, have them turn on you and use it effectively....come-on, it's not like the cops are trained as blackbelts! Get over the fact that he was 16 too, he was probably the size of a 20 year old Islander......

i would suggest she'd had a damn sight more training than him

and she had a weapon

he had a towel

perhaps she should have followed from a distance

imdying

27th January 2009, 09:42

oh sorry, are we playing "My Dad's bigger than your Dad"?Smilie denotes humour retard, get with the program :rolleyes: And you think I missed the point :niceone:

yod

27th January 2009, 09:44

Smilie denotes humour retard, get with the program :rolleyes: And you think I missed the point :niceone:

retard?

awesome

what a nice chap you are

my Dad's still bigger than yours:blink:

Dean

27th January 2009, 09:45

I watch cops regularly, and I know for a fact, that american cops are trained farken well, and iv'e seen many times American cops over-powered/out faught by a crimminal....think about it......

In this case, remember she was chasing him, he probably turned on her as she was running at him, try and handle an asp at full speed chasing someone, have them turn on you and use it effectively....come-on, it's not like the cops are trained as blackbelts! Get over the fact that he was 16 too, he was probably the size of a 20 year old Islander......

how hard is it if youre chasing someone at full speed and some person turns around on you.youd tackle them or even if you werent trying to youd still run in to them and bowl them over anyway.in the force we got a few jerry collins who can put in some mean tackles.the whole purpose would be to tackle them anyway if there running from you.even if the guy was a big islander a tackle to the legs at full speed and samoan brige is fallin down.

Dean

27th January 2009, 09:49

but the easyiest way she could of got him down was by grabbing a batton and smacking him in the gonads.no man can get up from that and if they can well id question there gender and manhood!

Drogen Omen

27th January 2009, 09:53

firefighter

27th January 2009, 09:56

i would suggest she'd had a damn sight more training than him

and she had a weapon

he had a towel

perhaps she should have followed from a distance

I think- no, you did miss the point completely.

Training can only do so much for you, when someone is so much larger than you.

According to your statement, all white cops, because they would probably get a hiding from our big Islander friends if they were on 'p', in a one-on one confrontation, are in-capable of doing their jobs and should quit.....because according to your genius because of their training (do you think they become juiitsu black belts?) and wee asp batton they should be able to win this confrontation.

This police woman could probably happily take down most females, and smaller men.

firefighter

27th January 2009, 10:03

how hard is it if youre chasing someone at full speed and some person turns around on you.youd tackle them or even if you werent trying to youd still run in to them and bowl them over anyway.in the force we got a few jerry collins who can put in some mean tackles.the whole purpose would be to tackle them anyway if there running from you.even if the guy was a big islander a tackle to the legs at full speed and samoan brige is fallin down.

I'm a blue belt in juijitsu, iv'e had a playfight (er, no nothing gay lol) with one of the guys at work, who is a fucken giant, and due to his shear size I can't get a good arm bar on or anything, he can just bend his arm- and i'm not tiny......

point is that, this cop is probably not a big woman, the kid got the upper hand, he could have moved aside- whatever, and beat this woman, that does'nt mean she can't do her job, it just makes her human, it's all very well sitting in ya chair talking about how it should have gone down, but she was chasing him, in the dark, no time to plan out anything, chase, turn, fuck, smack. Could be just as simple as that, except the kid kept hitting her, it's easy to tackle something that does'nt move but I doubt he stood there waiting for her to clean tackle him!

Hitcher

27th January 2009, 10:17

So does the baying mob today want Police officers to be routinely armed?

samgab

27th January 2009, 10:27

So does the baying mob today want Police officers to be routinely armed?

You see, it's all a very carefully orchestrated exercise in social engineering. Popular opinion swings against police because they shoot a 17yo non-offender (I hesitate to use the word "innocent"), so a few days later they send their petite little female officer in to take a beating from a 16yo, so social opinion will swing around to "Police should carry guns and use them after all"... ;)

Other conspiracy theories will also be considered. :)

MSTRS

27th January 2009, 10:27

cops get no public support.

No wonder. It's the traffic side that has caused most of that. And mistakes by so-called highly trained professionals.

Like that 17 year old that got shot last friday. unfortunate but shit happens. the cop was just doing his job.
If doing your job requires the possibility of using lethal force, then 'cocking up' should not be an option.
I've not read any of the reports re the m/way incident, but the number one rule with firearms - 'Identify your target' - should have covered that. Buck Fever, anyone?

Tank

27th January 2009, 10:39

I think- no, you did miss the point completely.

Training can only do so much for you, when someone is so much larger than you.

Indeed - and anyone who says different is talking tripe.

I fought competitively for years - Karate, Muay Thai, and boxing. I have a left hook that can drop most fuckers - even if I have to hit them a few times to make them go down.

So - all in all I would consider myself far higher trained than the majority of police and more experienced than most martial artist - having been out there fighting at a reasonably high level for a long time (note - Im old and fat now)

So having said all that - I've had some terrible hidings - and lost plenty of fights. All the worst hidings I have had have ALL been from people with no formal training - and the very worst of them was from a scrawny little prick.

Some people are natural fighters - others have mass on their side - and while skill levels help - generally the bigger guy will always win. And I would say that almost every woman - trained or not will lose to a guy who is physically bigger and stronger 100% of the time.

yod

27th January 2009, 10:41

Stop making assumptions....

I think- no, you did miss the point completely.

no we're talking across purposes here

Training can only do so much for you, when someone is so much larger than you.

I'm not talking only about combat here. If someone is so much larger than you, don't you think adhering to training that probably includes advice along the lines of "If you don't think you can handle them, don't take them on directly/without backup" is probably wise?
I would suggest her judgement on whether she could handle the situation was poor, point in case.

According to your statement, all white cops, because they would probably get a hiding from our big Islander friends if they were on 'p', in a one-on one confrontation, are in-capable of doing their jobs and should quit.....because according to your genius because of their training (do you think they become juiitsu black belts?) and wee asp batton they should be able to win this confrontation.

I can only assume you a referring to this proposition: "...if she is properly trained, then perhaps being a police officer isn't the vocation for her...given that she clearly couldnt deal with the situation..."

which pretty plainly suggests that; perhaps being a frontline cop isn't the ideal undertaking for someone (male or female), who can't handle a skinny teenager (whatever the reason is)

whether you're white, brown, pink or blue, on p, weed, beer or jungle juice doesn't have anything to do with it

This police woman could probably happily take down most females, and smaller men.

But obviously not this guy, so, perhaps taking a different course of action (rather than confronting the aforementioned 'skinny' 16yr old) would have proved less harmful.

Tank

27th January 2009, 10:47

I'm not talking only about combat here. If someone is so much larger than you, don't you think adhering to training that probably includes advice along the lines of "If you don't think you can handle them, don't take them on directly/without backup" is probably wise?
I would suggest her judgement on whether she could handle the situation was poor, point in case.

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You raise some good points yod - but we dont know the situation and we all (me inc) shouldnt make too many judgements.

It may well be that whe was following and that the guy turned on her, caught her unawares and she didnt have time to get out of the way.

Either way - its a tragic thing to happen to someone who is out there in the community trying to do good and help people.

firefighter

27th January 2009, 10:54

But obviously not this guy, so, perhaps taking a different course of action (rather than confronting the aforementioned 'skinny' 16yr old) would have proved less harmful.

Like what? let him get away in case he can fight?

read tank's post above.....it's a good read really.

Her job is to apprehend the offender, most of the time the offender would'nt turn around and start trying to beat the living snot out of you, rather just get away. She can't pick and choose her battles, just make the best of the situation which lays before her, it's a dangerous job, she was caught out, this does'nt make her incapable, it's happened before, and will happen again, that does'nt make an officer in-capable, just out-foxed.

As tank states above, his worst hiding was from a "srawny little prick", you have no idea of someones fighting ability until you engage them, and obviously this little shit had some ability, be it strength (skinny does not mean weak) or skill.

The Stranger

27th January 2009, 11:06

But seriously, imagine if this officer had've had a gun, and had actually shot this naked, unarmed, "defenceless" 16yo boy...
Image the media circus then!

Or if during the beating he grabbed her gun and shot her.
Yes, arm the police. It fixes everything.

Tank

27th January 2009, 11:08

Or if during the beating he grabbed her gun and shot her.
Yes, arm the police. It fixes everything.

Just shows how hard it is to find the 'right' answer dosnt it?

Slyer

27th January 2009, 11:16

What are you lot even arguing about anymore?

firefighter

27th January 2009, 11:17

Or if during the beating he grabbed her gun and shot her.
Yes, arm the police. It fixes everything.

not in my world lol, in my world she would have had her gun drawn, when he ran she would have shot him in the back........dreams are free...

The Stranger

27th January 2009, 11:29

Just shows how hard it is to find the 'right' answer dosnt it?

Yes, it sure does.

Rational thought and reasoned debate are I think the order of the day, not knee jerk reactions as in the OP.

Paul in NZ

27th January 2009, 11:31

not in my world lol, in my world she would have had her gun drawn, when he ran she would have shot him in the back........dreams are free...

Dreams might be free but it's the court cases that cost the money.....

Its very sad that these young guys are always prepared to take on the cops now. Crazy! Of course they usually have some role model out there eh? I really don't know what the answer is but I agree there is something brewing here that could sweep us all away if we don't stop it...

firefighter

27th January 2009, 11:42

Yes, it sure does.

Rational thought and reasoned debate are I think the order of the day, not knee jerk reactions as in the OP.

Actually, not knee jerk at all.

I have been of this opinion for many a year, and after a ride along (12hour shift 1400-0200) with a police force that is armed (LVMPD) I have seen first hand that arming police is'nt the terrible, scary frightful thing kiwis in general seem to think it is.

As i've said in many, many previous posts, it's just another tool for use, one which gains instant respect, and although my original post does contain what seems to be a knee jerk reaction, I was intending for it to be more of an argument in favour of my opinions towards this issue, rather than an emotional one. After re-reading it I guess it may be a clash of the two.

Either way I stick to my guns on this topic (no pun intended) and would personally like to see our cops treated with a bit more respect and armed to the level of other police forces dealing with the same level of violent crime.

Dean

27th January 2009, 11:45

Like what? let him get away in case he can fight?

read tank's post above.....it's a good read really.

Her job is to apprehend the offender, most of the time the offender would'nt turn around and start trying to beat the living snot out of you, rather just get away. She can't pick and choose her battles, just make the best of the situation which lays before her, it's a dangerous job, she was caught out, this does'nt make her incapable, it's happened before, and will happen again, that does'nt make an officer in-capable, just out-foxed.

As tank states above, his worst hiding was from a "srawny little prick", you have no idea of someones fighting ability until you engage them, and obviously this little shit had some ability, be it strength (skinny does not mean weak) or skill.

The female officer did everything by the book , infact this officer did an exceptional job in the pursuit for the crazed teen.because if she would of pulled out a gun and killed this kid she would of been all over the media with so much controversy.she may not have realised it but getting that beating showed her courage and bravery.many other officers whilst getting pummeled to the ground would go further than justice served,and end up seriously injuring the kid or killing him.but she remained by the book,and didnt make any actions she would of regreted.cops like this lady , there needs to be more of them

Str8 Jacket

27th January 2009, 11:50

It's very easy to judge a situation you know nothing about these day's. Is'nt it?

The Stranger

27th January 2009, 12:19

Either way I stick to my guns on this topic (no pun intended) and would personally like to see our cops treated with a bit more respect and armed to the level of other police forces dealing with the same level of violent crime.

Got to agree with you on the respect for Police thing 100%.
An example should be made of this guy and a very clear message sent.

Unfortunately in our current climate he will probably get diversion or a slap with a wet bus ticket.

If the Police are routinely armed does this lead to crims feeling the need to be similarly routinely armed? How do they prevent the weapon being seized and used against them? How do they prevent accidental shooting such as we saw on the NW motorway? If crims decide it is safer for them to have guns are the general unarmed populace going to be facing a greater risk in say a home burglary scenario?
I am not just talking about the theory of all this, but the practice. For example sending all the Police to combat zones for "high pressure" training is probably not feasible in practice

Badjelly

27th January 2009, 12:40

It's very easy to judge a situation you know nothing about these day's. Isn't it?

Absolutely! For example, I know this thread is a load of rubbish and I haven't even bothered to read most of it.

Just call it an informed guess based on past experience. :msn-wink:

firefighter

27th January 2009, 12:49

If the Police are routinely armed does this lead to crims feeling the need to be similarly routinely armed?

I don't think so, I think it's proven that all those that can get a gun probably already have one.....whether the cops have one or not, i'd say it's more of a supply and demand thing in N.Z than a need because of what the cops have- the cops do already have them just not worn on thier hip.....

How do they prevent the weapon being seized and used against them?

Same as the yanks, aussies etc do, pull the trigger when they get to close....

How do they prevent accidental shooting such as we saw on the NW motorway?

Leading to a point iv'e made earlier- by wearing them all the time, they will be concentrating on shooting the guy, rather than "holy shit i'm actually holding my gun and aiming it at someone, I hope I don't fuck up"....kind of thing (makes it a tool rather than something to fear, respect the gun but don't fear it)

If crims decide it is safer for them to have guns are the general unarmed populace going to be facing a greater risk in say a home burglary scenario?

I think iv'e covered this in the first part of this post, the latest home burglary incidents iv'e heard of invovled an old man being beaten and stabbed to death- so I don't think the whole gun thing even enters into it.

Drogen Omen

27th January 2009, 13:09

No wonder. It's the traffic side that has caused most of that. And mistakes by so-called highly trained professionals.
?

what do you do for a job?
have you been trained?
how many accidents have you had?
has your boss fired your ass yet?

if not then he must have said accidents happen.

mister.koz

27th January 2009, 13:25

There's got to be harsher penalties.

I would understand a trip or a hard hit to get away but beating someone like that is just plain evil. 16 year old or not, beating the crap out of a police officer is just shocking, hope he's tried as an adult and "resists" in his cell on a daily basis.

Tazer's are great and lets face it; if you have a bad heart then don't break the law OR when a cop says "stop or i will zap the shit outa you" then stop its not rocket science.

What's wrong with our legal system when people can get away with something by being on drugs? If a drunk driver kills someone they are hit really hard. For the same reason someone on P should be held responsible for their actions, no one held them down and made them smoke/inject it.

We are inhibiting Darwin's theory by babying criminals...

Slyer

27th January 2009, 13:47

We are inhibiting Darwin's theory by babying criminals...
Obviously the crim was fitter. ;)

mister.koz

27th January 2009, 13:54

Obviously the crim was fitter. ;)

Yeah or amped up on something..

Timber020

27th January 2009, 14:11

Most of the crimms now already have guns, and as for the kids, well comeon they'd have to get one first, arming the cops is'nt giving the population the right to bear arms- that's how the yank kids get them.....it's just giving our crimms a real reason to reconsider fucking with our cops, and maybe instill a little respect and fear- which can't be a bad thing.

Maybe you have spent to much time in the mindless animal, having superior firepower available is a great tactic if your navy, airforce or army but its not how you keep society or cops safe.
50% of cops in the US are shot with there own sidearm, Guns make up 49% of police fatalities in the US. Do the math, try not to let your neck get to red.

balans

27th January 2009, 14:17

It seems like every couple of days there is an incident like this happening in NZ at the moment. I suspect media hype has something to do with it, but there must be something for the media to hype up the first place.

The police have a very tough job to do, whether this is due to a lack of frontline resources, misplaced resources or the 'decay of modern society' is a matter for analysis and debate. I suspect that there is more than one factor involved. Unfortunately analysis and debate probably means some very expensive and inefficient committee that comes to no effective conclusion. A case of democracy in in-action!

This sounds like the case with tazers being potentially bad for the criminals heart as the reason they aren't in common use mentioned in earlier in this thread.

I don't care if they are dangerous, I'm never going to be tazed. Why? well the cops have no reason to chase and taze me, ever! If I do inadvertently find myself in a mistaken identity situation, my body language, dress, demeanour, compliance etc will be clear to even the stuipidest officer that I am not a threat that needs to be subdued with high voltage. Surely this is true for you too?

In theory I suspect the officer involved should have backed off and waited for back up. As they disturbed the shitbag having a post crimespree shower, it is fair to assume that they knew his name and address?

However I think she needs some credit for her courage She probably thought back up was too far away (non existent?), and any follow up unlikely to be effective due to other more pressing issues arising and using up the under resourced police forces immediate attention.

I hope that this incident means he will now get as fu**ed over as possible by the judge, rather than the slap on the wrist he would have probably got otherwise.

Unfortunately this probably won't be the last time he will break the law.

noobi

27th January 2009, 14:29

Ok I cant be bothered reading the whole thread and ill just post my point
Im 5 foot fuk all, and 16 yo, when I was 14 I took down this prick who was twice the size of me, I kid you not this fucker is into all the body building protein shit, and only cuz i was fuking angry and got him with one good shot, got him down and i could have smashed the shit out of him
surprise is a great thing, and surprise and being ready to fight is normally a combination that most people trained or not are not ready to deal with straight away, and again being 16 im at school so I know that there are alot of 16 yo who could pass as 20, regularly buy alcohol on the weekends, get pissed and vandalise tha town, I wouldnt want to be near them, trained or not, I would run away. Im not a chicken but do like the way my face is at the moment

laserracer

27th January 2009, 14:29

Yeah you would like to think they will throw the book at this little shit.. But as happens time and time again his lawyer will plead that he's got a drug problem , or he was abused as a child, or the devil made him do it, or some other peice of crap excuse, and they will send him away to the holiday camp with the rest of the lo life campers that we support, only to escape while out on a work party after 18months...... im with FIREFIGHTER shoot first ask questions later
in fact they should arm the police with machine guns so they can shoot whole packs of the bastards

firefighter

27th January 2009, 14:35

Maybe you have spent to much time in the mindless animal

What?

50% of cops in the US are shot with there own sidearm, Guns make up 49% of police fatalities in the US. Do the math, try not to let your neck get to red.

have'nt seen those statistics, 50% of U.S cops shot with their own sidearm? Sounds a bit rediculous to me, more than 50% of cops have never been shot mate.....:blink: Think about it.......even if what you meant to say was that 50% of cops shot were shot with their own sidearm- well sorry I don't buy it....where the hell did you hear/read that?

......and as for guns making up 49% of police fatalities, so? The yanks have the right to bear arms, I hav'nt said that we should be the same, all I suggest is that our cops be armed, not the whole nation.....I remember a police officer was killed here in N.Z not so long ago with a gun.....poor bastard didn't even have a gun to defend himself with.....

Neck being red? Why? because I have the balls to support a real laying down of the law, and harsh consequences for peoples actions?

I'm not racist, or suggesting free reign of arms to all, I just have a callous view towards crimminals and how the monkeys should be punished, as the current "ethical" system funnily enough is'nt working.......I don't see an issue with harshly punishing crimminals, if you take away someones rights, you relinquish your own.

balans

27th January 2009, 14:41

I'm not racist, or suggesting free reign of arms to all, I just have a callous view towards crimminals and how the monkeys should be punished, as the current "ethical" system funnily enough is'nt working.......I don't see an issue with harshly punishing crimminals, if you take away someones rights, you relinquish your own.

I completely agree. The Golden rule should only apply to those of us that also comply. You decide to step out of reasonable society you deserve to be treated harshly, not pandered to.

mister.koz

27th January 2009, 14:50

...

Neck being red? Why? because I have the balls to support a real laying down of the law, and harsh consequences for peoples actions?

I'm not racist, or suggesting free reign of arms to all, I just have a callous view towards crimminals and how the monkeys should be punished, as the current "ethical" system funnily enough is'nt working.......I don't see an issue with harshly punishing crimminals, if you take away someones rights, you relinquish your own.

With you there mate.

Tazers not being introduced because of risk of heart attack... wtf next pepper spray not allowed because of unpleasant odor?

Violent crime is on the rise, why not empower those who are there to protect us to at least protect themselves.

Worst i have got is "Do you know how fast you were going back there mate" why? because i don't smoke P and go on rampages.

Swoop

27th January 2009, 14:51

So does the baying mob today want Police officers to be routinely armed?
Yes.
They should be equipped with two of them.

imdying

27th January 2009, 14:58

laserracer

27th January 2009, 15:00

Yes.
They should be equipped with two of them.

Yep a pistol and a shotgun

mister.koz

27th January 2009, 15:07

Got to have a shottie, best way to take out the zombies. :ar15:

Duke girl

27th January 2009, 15:10

What a low life scum bag beating a female cop like that and all she was doing was her job. I hope his gets his well deserves once they throw the prick into the cells where he belongs. I would be surprised if she continues on working in the police force as that sure would have scarred her for life having that done to her. There seems to be more and more violence happening of late and NZ is starting to become and unsafe place to live.

Mole_C

27th January 2009, 15:23

I just found out last night that this chick was one that i trained with. Hope she is alright, heals up and keeps with it.

As for the little shit bag, he is still a Juvie so sadly will probably get fuck all punishment. Bring back the rack or the cross for the cunts. I only hope that the dogs ripped the shit out of him or that her partner gets hold of him. He is a massive ex South African Cop and this cunt is lucky he didnt do this to her over there.

Slyer

27th January 2009, 15:29

Shoot the fuck.
He is clearly beyond saving.

laserracer

27th January 2009, 15:30

MAN this makes me so mad that this little shit will only get a slap on the wrist with a wet penis and be let out to play with the other retards:mad:

laserracer

27th January 2009, 15:36

MAN this makes me so mad that this little shit will only get a slap on the wrist with a wet penis and be let out to play with the other retards:mad:

On the other hand i feel so sorry for that policewomen who had her face bashed in by this little shit.. and she was only doing her job.. i hope she sticks with it .. to show the bastards that they wont win.. but i suppose at the end of the day its up to the courts and judges to set examples of these low lifes juvies or not at 16 you know its wrong to bash in anybodys face let alone a police officer doing there duty

MSTRS

27th January 2009, 16:15

what do you do for a job?
have you been trained?
how many accidents have you had?
has your boss fired your ass yet?

if not then he must have said accidents happen.

What I do for a crust has nothing to do with anything. And I don't have a boss (as such).
But it's one thing to make a rectifiable mistake, quite another when the consequence is fatal. There is a far higher duty of care required.

oldguy

27th January 2009, 17:07

Time for Shoot the Fuckers first and ask questionas later...

There was a time when i was thinking about being a cop. now i say fuck that.

cops get no public support. fuckin accidents happen get over it.

Like that 17 year old that got shot last friday. unfortunat but shit happens. the cop was just doing his job.
what by saving the criminal and killing the innocent, accidents happen it all fine its not a member of your family. these guys are suppose to be trained professionals, that cop would have been running on adrenaline, he was going to shoot him no matter what, sometimes in the heat of the moment you forget. and the rest we know is history.:Offtopic:

As for the female cop, where the f**k did her partner run too, did he stop for donuts somewhere.
If your a criminal, your going to do anything too get away, unfortunately for the female cop, she just was not strong enough to restrain her assailant, that where you rely on you so called backup.

jrandom

27th January 2009, 18:06

I've seen some seriously tasty little officers out in Highway Patrol cars. That's all good; makes getting a ticket much more pleasant.

On a number of occasions, though, I recall thinking, "how the fuck does she deal with the stroppy apes when she's not in a Commode?"

Given these events, obviously the answer is "get beaten up".

Dunno what on earth anyone's thinking who sends those girls out to chase crims on foot. That's just mental. Your average coconut versus your average nice young white lady? Sweet Jesus.

I dunno whether any particular weapon would've helped her much. It's not as though she could have justifiably shot the kid in the back as he ran away.

Maybe the apparent policy of hiring front-line officers who are patently physically incapable of handling the rigours of the job needs to be re-examined?

Dean

27th January 2009, 20:10

Manxman

27th January 2009, 20:38

Maybe you have spent to much time in the mindless animal, having superior firepower available is a great tactic if your navy, airforce or army but its not how you keep society or cops safe.
50% of cops in the US are shot with there own sidearm, Guns make up 49% of police fatalities in the US. Do the math, try not to let your neck get to red.

So what is the answer? Let the baddies continue to do what the feck they like and leave the rest of us live in fear? I'm just curious, cos I think we're seeing a growing and worrying trend here.

The only common denominator in all of these sort of threads is.....drugs. These scumdogs are either high on them, or scoring $$ for the next hit.

Also, would any greenies like to comment whether the Police should now be able to defend themselves with Tazers, or do the rights of crims (with dodgy tickers) still rank higher than the professionals who uphold the law, and give the majority a sense of protection and security on the streets?

Again, just curious...

pete376403

27th January 2009, 20:45

As for the female cop, where the f**k did her partner run too, did he stop for donuts somewhere.
If your a criminal, your going to do anything too get away, unfortunately for the female cop, she just was not strong enough to restrain her assailant, that where you rely on you so called backup.

5 or 6 pages before someone asked the (what seemed to me) most obvious thing. Comms listened for two minutes of radio traffic of her getting beaten - how far away did he partner get in two minutes? Why didn't comms send her partner back as soon as they heard the attack?

Crazy Steve

27th January 2009, 20:54

But the result would more often than not be "little bastard whips out own gun and shoots police officer". If you routinely arm cops then the bad guys start arming themselves.....just like in the USA.

A much better deterrent would be giving the little $hits decent prison sentences and doing away with the mamby pamby bull$hit hotels that they call prisons.

Yeah right and you have been in one of our countrys Mamby Pamby BULLSHIT hotels that they call prisions....

They are real Jails you Freckin Noob.....

Crazy Steve.

Crazy Steve

27th January 2009, 20:56

Maybe the apparent policy of hiring front-line officers who are patently physically incapable of handling the rigours of the job needs to be re-examined?[/QUOTE]

Bingo ! ! !

Crazy Steve..

Crazy Steve

27th January 2009, 20:59

I wouldnt be a Bouncer/Bodygaurd if I was a Little Women or Man....

So why the fck are they being front line Cops when they are no taller than a smallish Dwarf.....

Police college must be a frckin Joke these days.....

Crazy Steve..

McJim

27th January 2009, 21:01

Is the issue that a woman got beaten or that a POLICEwoman got beaten?

I agree with jrandom in this instance that putting people in harms way that are not truly capable of defending themselves is politcal correctness gone wrong - criminals are not pc - they will beat the weakest person they can to get away.

Condolences to the girl - I have no doubt she didn't deserve this at all. I am sickened by this but lay a lot of the blame with the people who allowed her to face an unstable and physically more powerful opponent alone.

balans

27th January 2009, 21:11

Is the issue that a woman got beaten or that a POLICEwoman got beaten?

That a police officer got beaten.

wbks

27th January 2009, 21:11

So why the fck are they being front line Cops when they are no taller than a smallish Dwarf.....*Que 5'4" chinese bodybuilder/cagefighter from Kungpow:wari:*

Crazy Steve

27th January 2009, 21:14

*Que 5'4" chinese bodybuilder/cagefighter from Kungpow:wari:*

Verses a 6"4 180kg PISSED Male Poly.......

China Man gets deck...Even though the Male Poly has never had a day of Fight Training in His life....

Crazy Steve...

ducatilover

27th January 2009, 21:23

fucking scumbag piece of shit:bash:

scumdog

27th January 2009, 21:26

Maybe the apparent policy of hiring front-line officers who are patently physically incapable of handling the rigours of the job needs to be re-examined?

It's the only way they can keep the numbers up.

Imagine if all recruits had to be 6'6" 17 stone males??

Hell, we'd have a total of 1,800 front-line cops....

wbks

27th January 2009, 21:30

Verses a 6"4 180kg PISSED Male Poly.......

China Man gets deck...Even though the Male Poly has never had a day of Fight Training in His life....

Crazy Steve...We'd better arm the cops and shoot the bastard then:wacko:

Cr1MiNaL

27th January 2009, 21:46

McJim

27th January 2009, 21:49

That a police officer got beaten.

So it's alright for a member of the public to get beaten to a pulp but not a Police Officer? :weird: I consider it scandalous if any one (man or woman) gets beaten up (unless of course someone picked a fight with me:girlfight:)

scumdog

27th January 2009, 21:49

Hey listen I have always maintained the police (not inc my mates) are stupid creatures, daft to the core and beyond reason. Arm them with a gun and we'll have more kids running around SA and Gi waving 9mm's at each other. Cops are already armed with more they can handle, a rule book and a half working brain. FTP.

That's what you get when you pay peanuts - ya get monkeys.

And THIS monkey is happy to be incompetently taking yer tax-payers money...ooo-yeah!!

McDuck

27th January 2009, 21:55

So it's alright for a member of the public to get beaten to a pulp but not a Police Officer?

when somebody puts their safety on the line to keep us safe they deserve respect.

Rodney007

27th January 2009, 22:04

wow i didnt know this happened, hope she recovers well. poor lady

SARGE

27th January 2009, 22:07

All the worst hidings I have had have ALL been from people with no formal training - and the very worst of them was from a scrawny little prick.

Some people are natural fighters - others have mass on their side - and while skill levels help - generally the bigger guy will always win. And I would say that almost every woman - trained or not will lose to a guy who is physically bigger and stronger 100% of the time.

worst ass kickin i ever took was from a 5'3" Phillipino guy..id hit him once.. he'd hit me 7 times..

SARGE

27th January 2009, 22:10

If someone is so much larger than you, don't you think adhering to training that probably includes advice along the lines of "If you don't think you can handle them, don't take them on directly/without backup" is probably wise?

i was always taught that the only "dirty" fight is the one you lose..

go for the soft tissue.. thumbs in the eyes.. nutsack..im sure the press would go easy on her after hearing the Code 99 tape

Genestho

27th January 2009, 22:13

Great, the ones who protect us are not safe either (not a new thing though is it?)

I agree with Jrandoms post here, what is the training format?

Quite "funny" I remember taking part in forums and yarns round the kitchen table just like these before Leon was killed, discussing the latest incidents of violence and death, even debating, whether or not violent crime was on the increase, or whether it was media hype.. and "you" have all these hypothetical opinions and ideas, and then it happens in "your" own world.

I feel we have bred something inhumane out there...both politically, and in our homes. Many many people are suffering the consequences.

My opinion is let the cops be armed, stop this pc crap!!

Im very sorry for the family whose young son was killed by police who were trying to protect our community, its a terrible tragedy, and I dont know all the facts, but Im glad they were trying.

"Cops let madman drive for miles - kills ____ (insert number)" is that a better headline?
Theyre damned if they do, damned if they dont.

Maybe its my exposure to people Ive met afflicted by violent crime and murder..but..
I feel it quite beyond obvious that we need the resources and training, and we do need protecting..

See you all at the next episode of crime and its minimal consequences in NZ, maybe tomorrow;)

balans

27th January 2009, 22:17

So it's alright for a member of the public to get beaten to a pulp but not a Police Officer? :weird: I consider it scandalous if any one (man or woman) gets beaten up (unless of course someone picked a fight with me:girlfight:)

Of course it is totaly unnaceptable for anyone to get beaten. There are plenty of recent examples of beatings of men, women, teenage girls, babies, tourists etc..... that are just as scandalous.

However an on duty Police Officer represents all of society and it's laws while on duty. The fact that the shitbag felt so empowerd to commit such an act demonstrates total contempt for the legal system and any future repurcussions for their actions.

The police officers gender shouldn't be an issue here, even a 'big tough' male cop could find himself in a similar situation if it becomes the accepted norm for criminals to bash their way out of arrest. Good back up, team policing, appropriate weaponry and very harsh penalties for offenders that do so are perhaps a way to stop this.

scumdog

27th January 2009, 22:21

Yep, cops need more training.

To shoot accurately
To drive like an expert
To deal with domestics instantly
To catch drunk drivers
To issue accurate tickets
To use unarmed combat techniques effectively
To out-run crims
To attend burglaries promptly and detect ALL evidence
To handle complaints of everybody without delay and to their satisfaction
Yadda
Yadda
Yadda
And have 20-20 foresight for every situation

SO when will they get time to deal with crime??????

Genestho

27th January 2009, 22:22

The fact that the shitbag felt so empowerd to commit such an act demonstrates total contempt for the legal system and any future repurcussions for their actions.

The police officers gender shouldn't be an issue here, even a 'big tough' male cop could find himself in a similar situation if it becomes the accepted norm for criminals to bash their way out of arrest. Good back up, team policing, appropriate weaponry and very harsh penalties for offenders that do so are perhaps a way to stop this.

Nail hit on the head there dude!

SARGE

27th January 2009, 22:27

the kid had it lucky.i know from first hand experience when i fight i always take of my shirt or t shirt so that way the person youre scrapping cant be a little bicth and grab on to your tshirt and pull it over you.and then tackle you.not that im giving the kid credit but he was naked so the officer couldnt grab on to him.

yup.. and while you are taking your shirt off.. im pounding on it till it turns red..

i dont think ive read the "Fair Fighting Rulebook"

im too old and fat to wrestle with some amped up 16 year old so im gonna make it a very quick fight..

cant stand.. fight is over..

cant breath..fight's over

cant see...

dislocate or break a shoulder or knee,, gouge eyes..snap a rib..amped or not hes gonna be alot less mobile

i dont need to grab onto someones clothes.. im going for joints and soft tissue and trying my hardest to cripple the shitbag in a big blue-green hurry (yea.. i know ..PC..when its "HIm or Me"..im going to be the one going home for dinner

sorry man.. i dont mean to sound harsh... youre young..pulling that "taking my shirt off " bullshit is gonna get you stomped into goo one of these days..

SARGE

27th January 2009, 22:30

Yeah right and you have been in one of our countrys Mamby Pamby BULLSHIT hotels that they call prisions....

They are real Jails you Freckin Noob.....

Crazy Steve.

sorry man.. i wasnt aware that "real" prisons had Plasma TV, Sky and under-floor heating..

Thursday is massage day.. 2-4-1 happy endings

Timber020

27th January 2009, 23:29

So what is the answer? Let the baddies continue to do what the feck they like and leave the rest of us live in fear? I'm just curious, cos I think we're seeing a growing and worrying trend here.

The only common denominator in all of these sort of threads is.....drugs. These scumdogs are either high on them, or scoring $$ for the next hit.

Also, would any greenies like to comment whether the Police should now be able to defend themselves with Tazers, or do the rights of crims (with dodgy tickers) still rank higher than the professionals who uphold the law, and give the majority a sense of protection and security on the streets?

Again, just curious...

Life aint fox news, there is no answer, nothing is black and white.77% of shootings by police in the US involved mental illness or drugs (incl alcohol). You might be onto something there. P is making monsters out of common scum.

Its easy to want to start looking at increasing firepower, imprisoning crims for longer, or bring back public hangings (all of which sound great to me on the face of it). But this often creates much bigger problems further down the line.

The whole "lets kick ass" "lets kick there ass" thing is great emotive talk and makes people feel better when faced with ugly situations but strategically is seldom workable (look at the US post 911). If it was that easy and worked, we'd all do it. This attitude I sometimes refer to as being redneck because it shows lack of appreciation of the complexity of the problem.

Im not the biggest fan of stats, but here are a few from various studies in the US that make armed officers seem a little less attractive.
90% of shootings by police happen within a range of 6 feet and take less than 3 seconds.
25% of police shootings involve an unarmed suspect. Average rounds to contact target in daylight 64% and 45% at night. When more than two officers are shooting the accuracy of rounds drops to 9% and with more than 2 shooters they each shoot twice as many rounds as they would have by themselves.
71% of officers shot were within 10 feet of shooter.

http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf

Oh the mindless animal is the armed forces, at least thats what we refered to it from the inside when I was involved with the army.

imdying

28th January 2009, 07:43

when i fight i always take of my shirt or t shirt so that way the person youre scrapping cant be a little bicth and grab on to your tshirtIf you're brawling enough to have a plan of action already, then you're as much of a loser as the guy that beat the officer :tugger:

Hitcher

28th January 2009, 07:56

The whole "lets kick ass" "lets kick there ass" thing is great emotive talk

Gahh! Thud. Thud. Thud. Thud. Thud.

Tank

28th January 2009, 08:08

the kid had it lucky.i know from first hand experience when i fight i always take of my shirt or t shirt so that way the person youre scrapping cant be a little bicth and grab on to your tshirt and pull it over you.and then tackle you.

You take your shirt off? :rofl::rofl::rofl: Seriously while you are doing that anyone else would simply start smacking you in the mouth.

Might work for R-13 Kung-Fu movies but in the real world sunshine - thats what you call a gimme.

May pay to either keep out of fights or rethink your strategy before you old enough to go into a bar.

but - hey thanks for the laugh.

Morcs

28th January 2009, 08:27

Fuck us normal people are going to have to start carrying guns just to make sure we stay safer...

racefactory

28th January 2009, 09:16

Fuck guns and the USA. We don't want no Yankland here please!!! Sod off to the USA you lot...

The only thing i have to say is that has barely been mentioned yet with all this fucking bickering is: Why the hell did the partner split up in this situation, surely it should be obvious to stay together adn ensure police safety first?? I bet you that guy is absolutely kicking himself right now...

Besides that, I say fuck this stupid arms bickering and what about the condition of the female officer? And what is happening to that arse-ramming uncle-fucker right now?

I hope she is not blind...

Terrible.

yod

28th January 2009, 09:54

i was always taught that the only "dirty" fight is the one you lose..

go for the soft tissue.. thumbs in the eyes.. nutsack..im sure the press would go easy on her after hearing the Code 99 tape

bloody oath

incapacitate the bugger

ducatilover

28th January 2009, 10:48

perhaps if the police were armed with a nice wee side arm eg; desert hawk....
its a terrible shame these things can happen, but at the end of the day they do happen. for some reason these "tough" people will target the smaller or more vulnerable of the enforcement bunch just to prove they are above the law [ in their warped perspective] and i expect there isnt really too much that can be done about it without having the general community living in fear. its cheaper to string the guy up to a lamppost and beat him than to shoot. and more fun for us:angry2:

Max Preload

28th January 2009, 15:48

I thought they all carried mace on their person when working the i-cars?

Swoop

28th January 2009, 16:03

Comms listened for two minutes of radio traffic of her getting beaten - how far away did he partner get in two minutes? Why didn't comms send her partner back as soon as they heard the attack?
If a person is transmitting on a channel, it is "a bit difficult" to use that channel to also transmit.

perhaps if the police were armed with a nice wee side arm eg; desert hawk....
A "Desert Hawk"?
Who makes that firearm?

I thought they all carried mace on their person when working the i-cars?
Pepper spray.

Dogs do not seem to like it either...

McDuck

28th January 2009, 16:05

The only thing i have to say is that has barely been mentioned yet with all this fucking bickering is: Why the hell did the partner split up in this situation, surely it should be obvious to stay together adn ensure police safety first?? I bet you that guy is absolutely kicking himself right now...

Terrible.

Ofton the highway patrol cars are solo.

scracha

28th January 2009, 16:12

They are real Jails you Freckin Noob.....

Crazy Steve.

Pah, they ain't a patch on Saughton or Barlinnie. We should set up an exchange program for prisoners.

Real jails my arse. Actually...come to think of it...bad choice of words.

Crazy Steve

28th January 2009, 16:13

Pah, they ain't a patch on Saughton or Barlinnie. We should set up an exchange program for prisoners.

Real jails my arse. Actually...come to think of it...bad choice of words.

Im on your ignore list Scracha soooo I dont know how you could of seen that post....lol

Crazy Steve..

Max Preload

28th January 2009, 16:21

Pepper spray.

Same thing. The point is, where was hers?

Manxman

28th January 2009, 16:33

sorry man.. i wasnt aware that "real" prisons had Plasma TV, Sky and under-floor heating..

Thursday is massage day.. 2-4-1 happy endings

Not to mention XBOX360s, screening of violent & pron videos and three square meals a day.

But dontcha geddit, it's all about rehabilitating the pond life back into society.

Punishment is so last season.

Max Preload

28th January 2009, 17:07

Ofton the highway patrol cars are solo.

That may be so, only...

After a tip-off about where the robber was, the officer and her male colleague arrived at his house.

kiwi cowboy

28th January 2009, 17:31

oh sorry, are we playing "My Dad's bigger than your Dad"?

I'd like to see you take on my 3rd dan Hapkido black belt mate from down the road, but that's also completely irrelevant

but i digress and you missed the point

here, read it again

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

in other words, if she is properly trained, then perhaps being a police officer isn't the vocation for her...given that she clearly couldnt deal with the situation...

we dont know the situation.
How do you know she wasnt coming round a corner or other way round and run slap bang into said kid and get knocked down so from there hes on a win.
Again we dont know the situation

kiwi cowboy

28th January 2009, 17:46

Stop making assumptions....

no we're talking across purposes here

I'm not talking only about combat here. If someone is so much larger than you, don't you think adhering to training that probably includes advice along the lines of "If you don't think you can handle them, don't take them on directly/without backup" is probably wise?
I would suggest her judgement on whether she could handle the situation was poor, point in case.

I can only assume you a referring to this proposition: "...if she is properly trained, then perhaps being a police officer isn't the vocation for her...given that she clearly couldnt deal with the situation..."

which pretty plainly suggests that; perhaps being a frontline cop isn't the ideal undertaking for someone (male or female), who can't handle a skinny teenager (whatever the reason is)

whether you're white, brown, pink or blue, on p, weed, beer or jungle juice doesn't have anything to do with it

But obviously not this guy, so, perhaps taking a different course of action (rather than confronting the aforementioned 'skinny' 16yr old) would have proved less harmful.

Were does it say anywere he was a skinny little 16 yr old:argh: making asumtons issnt good:girlfight:

McDuck

28th January 2009, 18:03

That may be so, only...

You are correct.

yod

28th January 2009, 18:04

Were does it say anywere he was a skinny little 16 yr old:argh: making asumtons issnt good:girlfight:

no you're right, making assumptions isn't 'good'

and here you are, assuming I made assumptions about the offender

the newspaper article clearly states a nurse at the scene referred to him as 'skinny' and it also stated he is 16 years old

anything else?

:done:

kiwi cowboy

28th January 2009, 18:16

no you're right, making assumptions isn't 'good'

and here you are, assuming I made assumptions about the offender

the newspaper article clearly states a nurse at the scene referred to him as 'skinny' and it also stated he is 16 years old

anything else?

:done:

:dodge:you didnt say you can read:girlfight:oops meant read it in a paper so
IM SOWEY:whistle:

pete376403

28th January 2009, 18:27

If a person is transmitting on a channel, it is "a bit difficult" to use that channel to also transmit....
OK, I don't know much about police radio. Does this mean that if officer A is transmitting, no other comms are available to anyone in that area? Is frequency hopping/shifting not an option?

98tls

28th January 2009, 18:34

OK, I don't know much about police radio. Does this mean that if officer A is transmitting, no other comms are available to anyone in that area? Is frequency hopping/shifting not an option? Wouldnt help as no doubt anyone that could help would be busy attending yet another welfare financed domestic 111 call.

Cr1MiNaL

28th January 2009, 18:42

Swoop

28th January 2009, 18:50

OK, I don't know much about police radio. Does this mean that if officer A is transmitting, no other comms are available to anyone in that area?
Basic radio. If the transmit button is held down on a channel, that is it. Presumably the female plod had the button down.

scumdog

28th January 2009, 20:16

Oh you mean real crime... like issuing tickets for 62 in a 50? or is it 110 in a 100??:rolleyes:

You forgot to add failing to properly stop at stop sign and lane-splitting tickets, childish people always forget those two........

enigma51

28th January 2009, 20:20

Oh you mean real crime... like issuing tickets for 62 in a 50? or is it 110 in a 100??:rolleyes:

The speed limit is 50 not 62 its also 100 not 110.

McDuck

28th January 2009, 20:32

And if i was a cop i would sit at stop signs for the entire length of my road baconing time.

Why?

Intersection crime kills....

98tls

28th January 2009, 20:39

And if i was a cop i would sit at stop signs for the entire length of my road baconing time.

Why?

Intersection crime kills.... If you were a cop you would do exactly what the dipshits we voted for to run the country tell you to do.

hospitalfood

28th January 2009, 20:52

i dont think all cops should carry guns.
there are holes in the roof of the range i shoot at, and dead innocents to back up my argument.
she should have dealt to the little shit, and the fact that she could not means she is in the wrong job.
she knew the risks when she applied for the job, now she has a better work story if she ever gets over the emotional shock of being dealt to, which she is responsible for due to her choices in life.
sad but true.

Dean

28th January 2009, 20:54

98tls

28th January 2009, 21:10

samgab

28th January 2009, 21:23

do thay actullee teech spalling an gramma at school these dayz i dont think thay do cos sum of the stuf i see on this forum makes me weep for the futur i gess its from all the txtin or sumfing i dont no

98tls

28th January 2009, 21:27

scumdog

28th January 2009, 21:33

wbks

28th January 2009, 21:35

Dean

29th January 2009, 00:24

No offense. But you talk some shit some times, and thats coming from me which means a lot:lol:

im just doing my part in kiwibiker mate

mikeey01

29th January 2009, 00:45

No offense. But you talk some shit some times, and thats coming from me which means a lot:lol:

+1 I'm lost (not hard for me really) Youngbiker16 wtf were u trying to say?

NZ fleece guys and gals really do have a shit job, doing things no one wants to really do. They deal with the scum of society, have to clean up the mess they create and the carnage they leave behind!
They keep us alive by maintaining a presence on the open road, without this Christ knows what would happen. I have the up-most respect for the fleece force fellas.

This Muppet that hit this chic cop, god help him behind closed doors!

dangerous

29th January 2009, 02:39

- take aim, he's going to resisit, shoot the little cunt. Im with that...
Or bring back compulsry milatery training, the cane etc, screw this fluffy PC bull shit kids have rights shit... untill changes like this happen the increasing teen crimes will continue, last week 3 teens beat up on a blind man at a bus stop in chch...
wheres it going to go before the GVT relises theres an issue here, ohh and this gangster rap bullshit dosent help matters either.

Number One

29th January 2009, 06:31

Little bastard! I feel for these people and admire them for having the balls to take on a job which means they have to work within these levels of scum.

scracha

29th January 2009, 09:22

Or bring back compulsry milatery training, the cane etc, screw this fluffy

Fuck off. I have to beg to get caned by a girl in uniform on Friday nights.......they're not getting it for free.

Badjelly

29th January 2009, 09:23

Ok I cant be bothered reading the whole thread and ill just post my point....

OK, I didn't bother reading the rest of your post, but I'm sure it was rubbish.

Badjelly

29th January 2009, 09:31

if cops in america eat donuts or atleast thats the stereotype what do cops in nz eat i know for sure cops over here drink coffee alot.cops in our country should eat kfc that way when you get more of these poly runaway crims you can just throw the chicken at them they cant run to far eventually theyll retrace there steps and gather kfc for there dinner.all of my cousins love kfc and i love kfc id definitely follow a kfc trail id be like that kid of willy wonka augustus gloop but a maori version.what can i say i love kfc

No offense. But you talk some shit some times, and thats coming from me which means a lot:lol:

No, it's an exercise in language deconstruction following post-modern principles. He's doing his bit to break down the tyranny of rigid conventional language forms. Note the provocative misapplication of an adverb indicating location in place of a homophonic plural, third-person possessive pronoun to confuse patriachal categories of position and possession. Marvellous!

No, on second thoughts, you're right, he's talking shit. :rofl:

Dean

29th January 2009, 10:40

No, it's an exercise in language deconstruction following post-modern principles. He's doing his bit to break down the tyranny of rigid conventional language forms. Note the provocative misapplication of an adverb indicating location in place of a homophonic plural, third-person possessive pronoun to confuse patriachal categories of position and possession. Marvellous!

No, on second thoughts, you're right, he's talking shit. :rofl:

ow bro i didnt even no wat u waz sayin bay.eh bay i talk tha english all da time bro.chur chur cuz .Just joking heheehe ill try to brush up my english next time im working on it

SARGE

29th January 2009, 10:47

think of all the capital letters, commas and full-stops whose lives were spared by this post...:rolleyes:

and sense.....

Hitcher

29th January 2009, 10:51

I see that the BDOTGNZA posse got here ahead of me.

SARGE

29th January 2009, 10:55

i see that the bdotgnza posse got here ahead of me.

just like most rides?

Hurry up old fella..we'll wait for ya at the pub

Swoop

29th January 2009, 10:59

i dont think all cops should carry guns.
there are holes in the roof of the range i shoot at...
There are several ranges (including three military ranges) around the Auckland region where the NZ Police have been chucked out.
The amount of damage has been staggering.
This has made them spend quite a bit of $$$'s on setting up their own range in "industrial Auckland"...
I must find out how much damage they cause there.

SARGE

29th January 2009, 11:40

There are several ranges (including three military ranges) around the Auckland region where the NZ Police have been chucked out.
The amount of damage has been staggering.
This has made them spend quite a bit of $$$'s on setting up their own range in "industrial Auckland"...
I must find out how much damage they cause there.

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yungatart

29th January 2009, 13:40

if cops in america eat donuts or atleast thats the stereotype what do cops in nz eat i know for sure cops over here drink coffee alot.cops in our country should eat kfc that way when you get more of these poly runaway crims you can just throw the chicken at them they cant run to far eventually theyll retrace there steps and gather kfc for there dinner.all of my cousins love kfc and i love kfc id definitely follow a kfc trail id be like that kid of willy wonka augustus gloop but a maori version.what can i say i love kfc

A product of our stunning education system?

Dude, learn some punctuation..nothing flash, just capital letters, full stops and a comma or two. Then at least, the shit you post would be legible shit.

BTW, I'm not poking at our education system...YB16 is the same age as my own son...but he is literate!

Dean

29th January 2009, 19:53

A product of our stunning education system?

Dude, learn some punctuation..nothing flash, just capital letters, full stops and a comma or two. Then at least, the shit you post would be legible shit.

BTW, I'm not poking at our education system...YB16 is the same age as my own son...but he is literate!

how do you know how old i am , and ok ok im trying to be more punctuate or whatever .stop giving me hassles about it,im trying god dammit!!!!!! it was just because of the way i was bought up.

scumdog

29th January 2009, 19:54

how do you know how old i am , and ok ok im trying to be more punctuate or whatever .stop giving me hassles about it,im trying god dammit!!!!!! it was just because of the way i was bought up.

Somebody BOUGHT you???

Dean

29th January 2009, 20:00

Somebody BOUGHT you???

No brought up or however you spell it.When i was young the enviroment and things that happened and were around me meant i couldnt get acces to education.Im trying if youve got any help on english please share.

Tank

29th January 2009, 20:31

.Im trying if youve got any help on english please share.

Try night school.

Install a spell check (Google toolbar has one)

Read the crap you type before hitting submit.

Dean

29th January 2009, 20:45

Try night school.

Install a spell check (Google toolbar has one)

Read the crap you type before hitting submit.

But why do you say check youre speeling or grammer or your capitals blah blah.do you have a medical condition where you cant look at bad grammer , everything i write shouldnt be a fuckin essay.Are all adult kbers english teachers, i mean honestly does it really matter.:Playnice:

ducatilover

29th January 2009, 20:47

easy tigers.....

10bikekid

29th January 2009, 21:05

No brought up or however you spell it.When i was young the enviroment and things that happened and were around me meant i couldnt get acces to education.Im trying if youve got any help on english please share.

But why do you say check youre speeling or grammer or your capitals blah blah.do you have a medical condition where you cant look at bad grammer , everything i write shouldnt be a beeping essay.Are all adult kbers english teachers, i mean honestly does it really matter.:Playnice:
Dont let Scum or any off those others get to you, most Genius types arnt much good with things like speeling , usuualy its those want to be clever types who comment on such trivia, me calls them, spelf Righteous:oi-grr:

Just Picture them Naked:sick: reading a Thesauraus next time they Bother you

Hitcher

29th January 2009, 21:34

Just Picture them Naked reading a Thesauraus next time they Bother you

Sage advice, Mr 16-Post Veteran.

scumdog

29th January 2009, 21:42

Dont let Scum or any off those others get to you, most Genius types arnt much good with things like speeling , usuualy its those want to be clever types who comment on such trivia, me calls them, spelf Righteous:oi-grr:

Just Picture them Naked:sick: reading a Thesauraus next time they Bother you

WHO really is this person??

jrandom

29th January 2009, 21:44

WHO really is this person??

He's done most of his posting in the Scottish thread, during which he's had cause to imagine me naked with a thesaurus on a number of occasions.

10bikekid

29th January 2009, 21:48

Sage advice, Mr 16-Post Veteran.

And then theyll play the my number off posts are bigger than your number of posts Drival and youl realize that your not dealing with anything less than Big Children,:shit: (Which goes with out saying for most of us Motorcylists)

Probably such a response reguires an IQ of about 75:gob:

PS you know what they say Big posts Small Life:bleh:

scumdog

29th January 2009, 21:56

And then theyll play the my number off posts are bigger than your number of posts Drival and youl realize that your not dealing with anything less than Big Children,:shit: (Which goes with out saying for most of us Motorcylists)

Probably such a response reguires an IQ of about 75:gob:

PS you know what they say Big posts Small Life

Back to your 'real' KB name sunshine......<_<

wbks

29th January 2009, 21:58

An apostrophe; ">", is to be used between words which, in a sentence, you would slightly pause to add emphasis on. For example: "This shit is >SO cash".

Another: ";" is used like so: "Hey; Terry!", or "I believe you; young biker. If you're English teacher is anything like mine he'll be glowing with approval next time you go to class and use those sophisticated English language techniques.

How old are you, young biker?

jrandom

29th January 2009, 22:11

Back to your 'real' KB name sunshine......<_<

No, serimousely. He's really real, and has been seen in meatspace, etc. Lives over Shore way.

He has bikes.

jrandom

29th January 2009, 22:14

"I believe you; young biker. If you're English teacher is anything like mine he'll be glowing with approval next time you go to class and use those sophisticated English language techniques.

Faith and begorrah; he's channelling gijoe1313.

wbks

29th January 2009, 22:14

Must be a rich cunt if he ownes ten bikes. Looks like he works for a church? I guess that kind of a given then, huh? :)

Ixion

29th January 2009, 22:15

No, serimousely. He's really real, and has been seen in meatspace, etc. Lives over Shore way.

He has bikes.

That does not necessarily figure. I have been seen in meatspace, and I have bikes, but I'm not real. Admittedly I don't live over Shore way, but I did for many years. Indeed, I lived on the Shore before it was the Shore.

Dean

29th January 2009, 22:17

wbks

29th January 2009, 22:17

Faith and begorrah; he's channelling gijoe1313.No idea what you're talking about but you had better watch your ass while this tenbikes guy is around

YB16- Check your rep, and use a space after each comma like SO.

SARGE

29th January 2009, 22:32

But why do you say check youre speeling or grammer or your capitals blah blah.do you have a medical condition where you cant look at bad grammer , everything i write shouldnt be a fuckin essay.Are all adult kbers english teachers, i mean honestly does it really matter.:Playnice:

calm down padwan..

i think the point everyone is trying to make is

if you want to be taken seriously ..have some pride in yourself.

take some responsibility for your own learning.. lack of proper grammar has nothing to do with " How you were brought up".. it has to do with #1 above.

Pay attention in school and be polite.. right now.. you come across as an uneducated lout and its hard to take you seriously

mister.koz

29th January 2009, 22:35

Its all fun and games until someone losses and "i" and forgets to cross a "t" . :girlfight:

wbks

29th January 2009, 22:37

Dare sir you have no right to call our uneducated friend a "lout". I find this to be very racist indeed and I demand to face you in a duel.

Kind regards,

wbks

Chairman of Blue Clues fan club, Auckland ltd.

WORD TO YO MUTHA

Dean

29th January 2009, 22:41

calm down padwan..

i think the point everyone is trying to make is

if you want to be taken seriously ..have some pride in yourself.

take some responsibility for your own learning.. lack of proper grammar has nothing to do with " How you were brought up".. it has to do with #1 above.

Pay attention in school and be polite.. right now.. you come across as an uneducated lout and its hard to take you seriously

My lack of grammer has everything to do with how i was brought up,with all respect sarge.All through out my life my father was a drunkard he never worked for my family and sent my mother to hospital many times.I never got to go to school because my father didnt get an education when he was young so he made sure i didnt.Siffs took me away when i was 9 and was given little education in a siffs house.when i turned 11 i was reunited with my mother and i now live in whangaparaoa but i am behind in english and math so im trying to cacth up.Can you understand why now

Hitcher

29th January 2009, 22:44

I find this to be very racist indeed and I demand to face you in a duel.

WORD TO YO MUTHA

You challenge a grumpy former US Marine with a significant weight and attitude advantage to a duel? I can predict the result right now. Suffice it to say it will be quick but not pretty.

SARGE

29th January 2009, 22:49

Dare sir you have no right to call our uneducated friend a "lout". I find this to be very racist indeed and I demand to face you in a duel.

Kind regards,

wbks

ok dude .. youre on.. you wanna come over here or shall i come over there?

either way .. go practice falling down for an hour or so first

oh .. is that an armed duel or Hand 2 hand?..

cuz im ok whichever

SARGE

29th January 2009, 22:52

wbks

29th January 2009, 22:55

Shit... You guys sound like you're serious or something...

I don't like where this is going:eek5:

samgab

29th January 2009, 23:21

My lack of grammer has everything to do with how i was brought up,with all respect sarge.All through out my life my father was a drunkard he never worked for my family and sent my mother to hospital many times.I never got to go to school because my father didnt get an education when he was young so he made sure i didnt.Siffs took me away when i was 9 and was given little education in a siffs house.when i turned 11 i was reunited with my mother and i now live in whangaparaoa but i am behind in english and math so im trying to cacth up.Can you understand why now

Truly, your story has touched my heart...

It's great that you're making an effort, and taking on board the suggestions.
This is not a grammar forum, but it is as true in this forum as it is in life, that in many things you will be judged by your way of presenting yourself; whether that be physical appearance, demeanour or verbal/written communication.

For instance if you send an employer a CV, many wouldn't even consider you if the CV is poorly presented or mis-spelled. They won't consider your sad story prior to throwing the CV in the bin. Also, there are plenty of people out there with even worse backgrounds who have gone on to be giants in the world of grammar and spelling (Not really, there's no such thing).

It all comes down to attitude: A thirst for knowledge and a desire to excel at whatever endeavour is attempted in life - even the little things.

It's good that you have this attitude, keep working on it!

skidMark

30th January 2009, 00:32

That's pretty bad.
A naked 16yo boy, beating the crap out of a female police officer!
Some stories you just couldn't make up.

At least he was legal age prior to straddling.

enigma51

30th January 2009, 07:47

mister.koz

30th January 2009, 07:55

www.engrish.com

:rofl:

Lias

30th January 2009, 08:05

Said it before and I'll say it again.

Take away our cops tasers, mace, batons, etc. Only arm them with guns. Encourage them to shoot anyone who resists arrest.

not a p/t

scumdog

30th January 2009, 08:37

Thankyou for that help wbks, im using commas now and capital letters.im getting there:soon:

Well THAT'S a whole lot easier to read!!

Ixion

30th January 2009, 10:38

Dean

30th January 2009, 11:03

Truly, your story has touched my heart...

It's great that you're making an effort, and taking on board the suggestions.
This is not a grammar forum, but it is as true in this forum as it is in life, that in many things you will be judged by your way of presenting yourself; whether that be physical appearance, demeanour or verbal/written communication.

For instance if you send an employer a CV, many wouldn't even consider you if the CV is poorly presented or mis-spelled. They won't consider your sad story prior to throwing the CV in the bin. Also, there are plenty of people out there with even worse backgrounds who have gone on to be giants in the world of grammar and spelling (Not really, there's no such thing).

It all comes down to attitude: A thirst for knowledge and a desire to excel at whatever endeavour is attempted in life - even the little things.

It's good that you have this attitude, keep working on it!

Theres a special programe at my college called LEET.And im getting one on one tutoring for english an math this year,i have to cacth up but thanks for all the help.soon i can do ncea level 1 standard

imdying

30th January 2009, 11:06

PS you know what they say Big posts Small Life:bleh:Oooh, that reminds me of another one I've heard... "Fuck off cause nobody really gives a fuck about you and what you've got to say" :sunny:

It's nice to know that you'll likely as anything, follow in your father's footsteps, and die of a liver disease sooner rather than later :laugh:

McDuck

30th January 2009, 11:25

Theres a special programe at my college called LEET.And im getting one on one tutoring for english an math this year,i have to cacth up but thanks for all the help.soon i can do ncea level 1 standard

I recomend doing achevment standerd where ever possible. Future bosses will look at that sort of stuff.

Patrick

31st January 2009, 21:21

:Offtopic::Offtopic::Offtopic:

The kid is learnin, all is good in the world....

Now... where were we....

Aren't they armed with Tasers now?

Nope. Not every one will get one, when they do finally roll out..

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

She probably thought she could. Her Super Woman suit was in the dry cleaners, so she was unable to stop speeding locomotives that day....

i would suggest she'd had a damn sight more training than him, and she had a weapon, he had a towel, perhaps she should have followed from a distance

Perhaps she could do the job she was paid to do? She thought she could, but lost.

I'm not talking only about combat here. If someone is so much larger than you, don't you think adhering to training that probably includes advice along the lines of "If you don't think you can handle them, don't take them on directly/without backup" is probably wise?
I would suggest her judgement on whether she could handle the situation was poor, point in case.

I can only assume you a referring to this proposition: "...if she is properly trained, then perhaps being a police officer isn't the vocation for her...given that she clearly couldnt deal with the situation..."

which pretty plainly suggests that; perhaps being a frontline cop isn't the ideal undertaking for someone (male or female), who can't handle a skinny teenager (whatever the reason is)

whether you're white, brown, pink or blue, on p, weed, beer or jungle juice doesn't have anything to do with it

But obviously not this guy, so, perhaps taking a different course of action (rather than confronting the aforementioned 'skinny' 16yr old) would have proved less harmful.

There is ALWAYS someone better than you out there, no matter how good you think you are.

She probably thought, "Hey, he is a skinny naked 16 year old... I can sort that!"

Obviously the crim was fitter. ;)

Obviously not... she chased, and caught him.....

5 or 6 pages before someone asked the (what seemed to me) most obvious thing. Comms listened for two minutes of radio traffic of her getting beaten - how far away did he partner get in two minutes? Why didn't comms send her partner back as soon as they heard the attack?

"Owwww... Aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh... thump thud thud thud... screeeeeeech...."

Interpreted..."Oh - you're on THAT street outside that number.... OK.... coming now....."

Sheesh.....

Her partner probably went one way to cut him off. She went one way to cut him off too and presto, they are seperated. Real life, fellas.... and fellesses....

Great, the ones who protect us are not safe either (not a new thing though is it?)

I agree with Jrandoms post here, what is the training format?

A days training, once every 6 months.... unless you take up some other forms in your own time, and with kids etc, that is not easy.

This shit needs to be instant on - not thinking about what you need to do to take control. Instant reaction without thought, a natural reaction. You don't get that sort of instant reaction from a one day, every 6 months training.....

The only thing i have to say is that has barely been mentioned yet with all this fucking bickering is: Why the hell did the partner split up in this situation, surely it should be obvious to stay together adn ensure police safety first?? I bet you that guy is absolutely kicking himself right now...

See reply to Petes Post.... (Tee hee... Petes Post....):eek:

1)dont think all cops should carry guns.
2)there are holes in the roof of the range i shoot at, and 3)dead innocents to back up my argument.
4)she should have dealt to the little shit, and the fact that she could not means she is in the wrong job.
5)she knew the risks when she applied for the job, now she has a better work story if she ever gets over the emotional shock of being dealt to, which she is responsible for due to her choices in life.
sad but true.

Breaking it down...

1) Its heading there, slowly....
2) Holes in our range too, but not one is from a Police shot. Others use the ranges too...
3) Dead "innocents" - :eek: There was more than one????? One in over a hundred years is bad, but.... could be worse?
4) She would be charged with using excess force. Mummy/daddy would have complained to the PCA.
5) "She is responsible for?" WTF?????/ Oh yeah..... thats right. It is her fault, not the skinny 16 year old who beat the crap out of her.

Patrick

31st January 2009, 21:26

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Funny... the 1st one was hillarious.

The 2nd too... can see where he went wrong ay? Didn't remove the mag before racking it. "Professional" dumbarse. No ownder the kids started shitting themselves when he went to show the long gun to em....

The 3rd - :lol:

Gotta share the bling around yada yada

Littleman

31st January 2009, 21:30

Sorry mate... green blinged you... bit like reinventing the wheel.

Patrick

31st January 2009, 21:44

Sorry mate... green blinged you... bit like reinventing the wheel.

Wasn't me.... ???

yod

31st January 2009, 23:55

She probably thought she could. Her Super Woman suit was in the dry cleaners, so she was unable to stop speeding locomotives that day....

Perhaps she could do the job she was paid to do? She thought she could, but lost.

There is ALWYS someone better than you out there, no matter how good you think you are.

She probably thought, "Hey, he is a skinny naked 16 year old... I can sort that!"

So what you're saying is, she probably thought she could.

yep, i think that might be a blindingly safe assumption to make

ital916

1st February 2009, 07:05

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

I just skipped to the end so I hope this point is a redo but a little problem I think with the police force *and dont get to ruffled if this callous* is the different entry standards for men and women. All officers need to be equally capable and equally tough. Some officers I have seen *men and women* wouldnt have a shit show of controlling a violent situation.

Now there could be many factors as too how she was beaten up. One thing though 90% of street fights go to the ground and if your on bottom, it is difficult to recover. He could have surprised her, been amped on drugs, or just fucking surging on adrenaline and survival instinct.

If I was a fellow police officer I would have found the boy and beaten the living shit out of him, but police officers need control in the face of adversity and a calm demenour. So I guess I wont be joining haha

SARGE

1st February 2009, 07:32

ive said it before....

fight's over

Patrick

1st February 2009, 10:18

So what you're saying is, she probably thought she could.

yep, i think that might be a blindingly safe assumption to make

The opposite of the blindingly wrong assumption that you made....

Patrick

1st February 2009, 10:24

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

yeah, maybe she panicked or froze? who knows....

if he was that scary I'd either be bashing him in the gnads with the plodstick or waiting for backup

oh sorry, are we playing "My Dad's bigger than your Dad"?

I'd like to see you take on my 3rd dan Hapkido black belt mate from down the road, but that's also completely irrelevant

but i digress and you missed the point

here, read it again

shouldn't a properly trained police officer be able to deal with an unarmed naked 16yr old?

in other words, if she is properly trained, then perhaps being a police officer isn't the vocation for her...given that she clearly couldnt deal with the situation...

i would suggest she'd had a damn sight more training than him

and she had a weapon

he had a towel

perhaps she should have followed from a distance

Yuo seem to think she was incapable, right from the onset.

DMNTD

1st February 2009, 10:36

ive said it before....

fight's over

100% agreed but sadly the cops have to deal with a nanny state that doesn't 'allow' them to be as effective as sometimes required.

yod

1st February 2009, 11:22

Yuo seem to think she was incapable, right from the onset.

in this situation, yes.

she got her arse handed to her by a 16yr old. Is that evidence to suggest she was capable ?

yod

1st February 2009, 11:25

The opposite of the blindingly wrong assumption that you made....

wtf?

what assumption was that?

that she exercised poor judgement about whether she could handle the situation and the upshot was, she got the shit kicked out of her?

if that's incorrect then please explain why she got the shit kicked out of her, did she justr decide it might be fun to let the bad guy win for a change?

Patrick

1st February 2009, 12:13

in this situation, yes.

she got her arse handed to her by a 16yr old. Is that evidence to suggest she was capable ?

wtf?

what assumption was that?

that she exercised poor judgement about whether she could handle the situation and the upshot was, she got the shit kicked out of her?

if that's incorrect then please explain why she got the shit kicked out of her, did she justr decide it might be fun to let the bad guy win for a change?

Read your posts... as reproduced above in post 201. You "assumed" it..... What you dont seem to understand is...

1) There is always someone better than you, no matter how good you think you are... even a skinny 16 year old might be better with street smarts than one might think. You won't know until its too late......
2) The uniform is not a super suit.

Maybe this kid just got lucky with a single good hit then continued on when she was down? Tough guy taking on a chick. Tougher then, when laying in to her while she was down.

Sometimes when you think you can handle it, you can be wrong...

Do you follow... now?

EDIT - She was out there doing her part, as best as she could, and this is the support you show her.... She is in the wrong job, according to you......?

Put the boot into her while she is down... oh hang on... someones already done that.....

Very poor.....

Edbear

1st February 2009, 13:33

Read your posts... as reproduced above in post 201. You "assumed" it..... What you dont seem to understand is...

1) There is always someone better than you, no matter how good you think you are... even a skinny 16 year old might be better with street smarts than one might think. You won't know until its too late......
2) The uniform is not a super suit.

Maybe this kid just got lucky with a single good hit then continued on when she was down? Tough guy taking on a chick. Tougher then, when laying in to her while she was down.

Sometimes when you think you can handle it, you can be wrong...

Do you follow... now?

EDIT - She was out there doing her part, as best as she could, and this is the support you show her.... She is in the wrong job, according to you......?

Put the boot into her while she is down... oh hang on... someones already done that.....

Very poor.....

Hey! I've got an idea...! Why not wait until we know the facts of the matter before we make sweeping judgements...?

Oh, hang on... this is KB, eh...?

Personally I feel very sorry for the officer who was prepared to put her body and life on the line for the community. I know as well as anybody, the Police go through a specific training regimin, (sp!), and I do not know how this 16 year-old got the better of her. Regardless I consider him low-life who deserves no symapthy for what he's done, contrary to the female officer who deserves all the support she can get.

Rodney007

1st February 2009, 13:49

you guys a little bitches, stfu

yod

1st February 2009, 14:07

Sometimes when you think you can handle it, you can be wrong...

thank you

as i've said half a dozen times already, it would appear she thought she could handle it, she couldnt

it would appear you agree, glad we got that sorted.

let me make a wild stab in the dark here, you're a police officer? for some reason you seem to think i'm on a personal crusade against this woman, how about you put your personal bias aside for a millisecond and be objective

EDIT - She was out there doing her part, as best as she could, and this is the support you show her.... She is in the wrong job, according to you......?

Put the boot into her while she is down... oh hang on... someones already done that.....

whether she's 'trying hard' or 'doing her best' has got NOTHING to do with what i've said ffs

i never said she is in the wrong job, i said perhaps being a frontline police officer isn't the vocation for her

the circumstances of this situation would suggest there may be some validity to that proposition, ergo, it's a reasonable and logical proposition to make in my opinion

if you think the circumstances of this situation suggest something else then please, explain away

i'm not putting 'the boot' into her, you just choose to see it that way

it's no different to someone binning their bike constantly, i'd suggest that perhaps riding a bike isn't the thing for them, wouldnt you agree??

peasea

1st February 2009, 14:41

thank you

as i've said half a dozen times already, it would appear she thought she could handle it, she couldnt

it would appear you agree, glad we got that sorted.

let me make a wild stab in the dark here, you're a police officer? for some reason you seem to think i'm on a personal crusade against this woman, how about you put your personal bias aside for a millisecond and be objective

whether she's 'trying hard' or 'doing her best' has got NOTHING to do with what i've said ffs

i never said she is in the wrong job, i said perhaps being a frontline police officer isn't the vocation for her

the circumstances of this situation would suggest there may be some validity to that proposition, ergo, it's a reasonable and logical proposition to make in my opinion

if you think the circumstances of this situation suggest something else then please, explain away

i'm not putting 'the boot' into her, you just choose to see it that way

it's no different to someone binning their bike constantly, i'd suggest that perhaps riding a bike isn't the thing for them, wouldnt you agree??

I doubt that this female copper is the first copper to get a hiding and she won't be the last, it's a gamble you take when you don the blue uniform. If she is of slight build and the perp is a drug-fucked big'un then she really didn't stand a chance. I doubt she would have known if the dude was p'd up (if he was) and people can (and do) do nasty things on that shite. How long has she been in blue? How many other violent situations has she been involved with? We don't know the full story but on the face of it (no pun intended) the perp sounds like a pile of dung in desperate need of a bashing himself. I don't like cops but I don't bash the crap out of them either; she didn't deserve that. Keep an eye on the case, see what the perp gets by way of a sentence, we might have cause to throw some abuse at the judge.

I do agree that perhaps the 'force' might not be the best place for her and I'd be willing to bet she's thinking the same thing right now, which is a pity as losing someone who is prepared to tackle a thief is a damned shame. (Especially if it's YOUR house that's been robbed.) I'm also willing to bet he WAS p'd up and therein lies a major problem in NZ.

SARGE

1st February 2009, 14:56

100% agreed but sadly the cops have to deal with a nanny state that doesn't 'allow' them to be as effective as sometimes required.

sorry man.. if my ass is in a sling..

g'bye douchbag..

Patrick

3rd February 2009, 20:01

thank you

as i've said half a dozen times already, it would appear she thought she could handle it, she couldnt

No not quite.... it is I who said she probably thought she could handle it. You were saying the opposite. Have a look at post 201 again....

it would appear you agree, glad we got that sorted.

If this is your stand, now, then yes... we do agree.... on this occasion, she couldn't handle it.

let me make a wild stab in the dark here, you're a police officer?

Sherlock HOLMES, I assume???

for some reason you seem to think i'm on a personal crusade against this woman, how about you put your personal bias aside for a millisecond and be objective

NO personal bias from this side at all... re-read what you said..... and be objective now....

whether she's 'trying hard' or 'doing her best' has got NOTHING to do with what i've said ffs

No. What you said is tha tif she were properly trained....

i never said she is in the wrong job, i said perhaps being a frontline police officer isn't the vocation for her

Which means....????? (I'll have a guess... She shouldn't be a front line Police Officer???

the circumstances of this situation would suggest there may be some validity to that proposition, ergo, it's a reasonable and logical proposition to make in my opinion

Then we disagree then... This one time, perhaps, she got beaten by someone better?

if you think the circumstances of this situation suggest something else then please, explain away

I am... you are seeing what you want to see.... as I am too, probably....

i'm not putting 'the boot' into her, you just choose to see it that way

it's no different to someone binning their bike constantly, i'd suggest that perhaps riding a bike isn't the thing for them, wouldnt you agree??

That I would agree with. Just one problem with this...

So now you say she is constantly getting her arse handed to her in a scrap???