2010 NZSBK and 600SP rules

[Shaun P]

The proposed rule changes are moving in the right direction IMO well done MNZ. Now just a few more moves in the right direction will get the ball rolling again. The only one I would question is the OEM harness fitment for Superbike, I dont think that would save much $$ and its nice to get rid of unsightly wires!!

http://www.nzsbk.co.nz/114402/html/page.html

After thinking about it for a while a tighter regulation of rules to reduce costs is a better option than running a split class of superstock/superbike etc for NZ.

[Teambwr47]

Well as most current and also ex team bikes recently sold in NZ have kit looms and ECU's it would seem to have been a waste of many dollars to build a bike to the current rules with a view to running it for at least two seasons....especially as outlawing the kit loom and ECU will basically make them worthless in NZ!!!

As NZ has rules that already make it much cheaper to race here than elsewhere in terms of the cost to build a good 600cc class bike I don't see the need to change from the current rules.

My vote would be to keep the rules for 600SP as per they are now...

[Shaun P]

Keep in mind though the rule changes normally effect the bikes homologated after the year the rule comes into effect, so it doesnt normally effect bikes setup for the previous season or two - happened with superbike having to run std pistons a couple of years ago. It wont actually effect any of the top runners eg top 10 supersport, because they normally have new bikes anyway.

[Teambwr47]

With WSBK on its way to NZ at Hampton Downs it seems a bit out of step that NZ doesn't run either Superbike or Supersport classes that are anywhere near FIM spec.

Do NZ Superbike rules fit closer to FIM superstock.... i can't find the regulations to hand for the FIM class?

Surely the chances of a wild card entry in the NZ event in the future would be pretty bleak?

[ArcherWC]

With WSBK on its way to NZ at Hampton Downs it seems a bit out of step that NZ doesn't run either Superbike or Supersport classes that are anywhere near FIM spec.

Do NZ Superbike rules fit closer to FIM superstock.... i can't find the regulations to hand for the FIM class?

Surely the chances of a wild card entry in the NZ event in the future would be pretty bleak?

Dont hold your breath re WSBK still coming

[CHOPPA]

Well as most current and also ex team bikes recently sold in NZ have kit looms and ECU's it would seem to have been a waste of many dollars to build a bike to the current rules with a view to running it for at least two seasons....especially as outlawing the kit loom and ECU will basically make them worthless in NZ!!!

As NZ has rules that already make it much cheaper to race here than elsewhere in terms of the cost to build a good 600cc class bike I don't see the need to change from the current rules.

My vote would be to keep the rules for 600SP as per they are now...

Your not aloud to run kit looms now...

[slowpoke]

Well as most current and also ex team bikes recently sold in NZ have kit looms and ECU's it would seem to have been a waste of many dollars to build a bike to the current rules with a view to running it for at least two seasons....especially as outlawing the kit loom and ECU will basically make them worthless in NZ!!!

As NZ has rules that already make it much cheaper to race here than elsewhere in terms of the cost to build a good 600cc class bike I don't see the need to change from the current rules.

My vote would be to keep the rules for 600SP as per they are now...

2007 and older bikes remain as is, with all the goodies still eligible so basically this rule will only affect 2008/9 bikes before new bikes are built. Given the number of "factory" bikes out there you are only talking about a handful of bikes. With the way motorcycles advance I reckon it's not a bad comparison, a modded older bike vs a virually stock new 'un.

Also won't this rule only apply to "Nationals" class racing? Vic Club etc run F1 rules which allow more mods so club racing will be virtually unaffected.


With WSBK on its way to NZ at Hampton Downs it seems a bit out of step that NZ doesn't run either Superbike or Supersport classes that are anywhere near FIM spec.

Do NZ Superbike rules fit closer to FIM superstock.... i can't find the regulations to hand for the FIM class?

Surely the chances of a wild card entry in the NZ event in the future would be pretty bleak?

Yup, that has been my worry for the future. Our chances of ever seeing a NZ rider at the elite level (WSBK, or dream on , MotoGP) are looking more and more like fantasy. Even if someone threw a fistful of dollars at one of our top level riders to build a competitive WSBK bike they wouldn't be used to setting it up/riding/competing on it so would be doomed to a mediocre performance.

While part of me agrees with these changes I also wonder what it will accomplish. People are supposedly clamouring for cheap racing yet the cheap entry class of Pro-Twins isn't exactly bulging at the seams. Club grids in the 600/F2 class are chocker's yet very few people enter the National's, even at their local track. There's still no incentive to run a Superbike with racers getting twice as much track time on a 600 so superbike grids will remain thin.

[Maido]

Your not aloud to run kit looms now...

-16 Fuel Injection System

The fuel injection management computer chip (EPROM) may be changed, alternatively an adjustable EPROM devise / wiring loom may be fitted. A heat shield may be installed between the engine and throttle bodies, provided the airbox is not altered.


This is of the MNZ site, 600ss rules, and is a complete contradiction of another rule in the book earlier on! Shaun had a thread about this a while ago.

[CHOPPA]

-16 Fuel Injection System

The fuel injection management computer chip (EPROM) may be changed, alternatively an adjustable EPROM devise / wiring loom may be fitted. A heat shield may be installed between the engine and throttle bodies, provided the airbox is not altered.


This is of the MNZ site, 600ss rules, and is a complete contradiction of another rule in the book earlier on! Shaun had a thread about this a while ago.

Lol yeah its full of contradictions


3-25 Ignition/Engine Control System
Only spark plugs may be replaced. Iquiter unit (Blackbox) maybe changed providing wiring
loom is not altered.

[cowpoos]

Surely the chances of a wild card entry in the NZ event in the future would be pretty bleak?


Not at all...there will be at least one certian NZ wild card in superbike.
Just because the bikes being run here arn't superbike spec...don't mean us kiwis can't make one!! be done many times before fella.

[cowpoos]

Even if someone threw a fistful of dollars at one of our top level riders to build a competitive WSBK bike they wouldn't be used to setting it up/riding/competing on it so would be doomed to a mediocre performance.


Not sure I agree with you for once Spud... we do have riders that can and have...and we have a handful of guys that have worked in GP,wsbk,wss,international b.e.a.r.s...Robert Taylor was working for Ohlins at the WSBK testing at phillip Island last year.

and one note...or superbikes are pretty much the same as the auzzy ones...those ozzy boys were lapping phillip Island last year faster than the World superbike guys!! so I'm sure us Kiwis have the setup knowledge to Achieve the same...

[k14]

and one note...or superbikes are pretty much the same as the auzzy ones...those ozzy boys were lapping phillip Island last year faster than the World superbike guys!! so I'm sure us Kiwis have the setup knowledge to Achieve the same...
Thats slightly misleading, the wsbk use the control pirelli tyre's compared to who knows what tyres the aussie superbike guys get to run. Any combination of bridgestone, dunlop, michelin etc special compounds!

[slowpoke]

Not sure I agree with you for once Spud... we do have riders that can and have...and we have a handful of guys that have worked in GP,wsbk,wss,international b.e.a.r.s...Robert Taylor was working for Ohlins at the WSBK testing at phillip Island last year.

and one note...or superbikes are pretty much the same as the auzzy ones...those ozzy boys were lapping phillip Island last year faster than the World superbike guys!! so I'm sure us Kiwis have the setup knowledge to Achieve the same...

Yep, fair comment, there's no shortage of expertise about the place.

[Maido]

in regards to the 600 rules, you have to have the std charging system hooked up, i thought you did anyways?? It says in the manual if it isn't mentioned then you can't do it!
Std wire loom and ignition (ECU) must be retained, so no more race ecu and wire looms, fair enough. The arguement to this is that the race ecu is an a/m fuel tuning device also so how do you get around this. On the honda this involves rewiring the loom to fit the race ecu, but you can't run it anyway cos it also controls the ignition. good for guys who sell powercommanders etc, not so good for guys who bring in race bits from japan :(

I think that the engine should remain std, forget allowing slotted cam gears, you should only be allowed to adjust the gears within the freeplay of the std bolt holes (usually about .5 - 1 degree each way anyways)

Overall i think these rules (600sp) are not much different, the bikes will be slightly (the price of an a/m ECU) cheaper and performance will not be altered.
Hopefully we will see these rules policed more than in the previous years, at least this puts peoples minds at ease.

PS on another note, I had to show a few officials what to look for in regards to quick shifters. They didn't realise that you can rig an ignition and fuel cut out to the handlebar switches, and most kit ecu's have this option, and are usually only configured to work over certain rpm. I think they thought that it would be a component attached to the gear linkage!

[Tony.OK]

Regarding the Pro Stock SBK class (if thats what it is), it seems they are still going to allow alot of money to be spent with the engine, balancing and removing this and that will still cost a bit. And how would they police it anyway.
If it is to be run within the NZ SBK class why not make it STOCK, as in stock engine, no mods internally at all, stock gaskets, cam sprockets etc.
That'd save probably 2k in engine work that you could spend on susp or exhaust.
They're all around the same HP, so turn it into a handling and rider competition.
:whocares:

[Frenchy]

Regarding the Pro Stock SBK class (if thats what it is), it seems they are still going to allow alot of money to be spent with the engine, balancing and removing this and that will still cost a bit. And how would they police it anyway.
If it is to be run within the NZ SBK class why not make it STOCK, as in stock engine, no mods internally at all, stock gaskets, cam sprockets etc.
That'd save probably 2k in engine work that you could spend on susp or exhaust.
They're all around the same HP, so turn it into a handling and rider competition.
:whocares:

Well said I'd have to agree and not just cause I'm broke from racing! :blink:

[cowpoos]

They're all around the same HP, so turn it into a handling and rider competition.
:whocares:


Well said I'd have to agree and not just cause I'm broke from racing! :blink:


Pifft!! bloody honda riders!! always thinking its unfair!!

[cowpoos]

Thats slightly misleading, the wsbk use the control pirelli tyre's compared to who knows what tyres the aussie superbike guys get to run. Any combination of bridgestone, dunlop, michelin etc special compounds!
they mainly use 17inch Dunlop n-tec slicks...same as the guys using dunlops here are using.

[Tony.OK]

Pifft!! bloody honda riders!! always thinking its unfair!!

Lol...............I've had no probs dealing wiff SBK spec'd Suzi's so far:whistle:

Unfair is following a Suzook and having to deal with all the bits falling off, better to be in front to avoid being hit with debris:crazy:

[Teambwr47]

Don't zuki's get faster as the race goes on due to the speed they corrode away at?:2guns:

[sosman]

Regarding the Pro Stock SBK class (if thats what it is), it seems they are still going to allow alot of money to be spent with the engine, balancing and removing this and that will still cost a bit. And how would they police it anyway.
If it is to be run within the NZ SBK class why not make it STOCK, as in stock engine, no mods internally at all, stock gaskets, cam sprockets etc.
That'd save probably 2k in engine work that you could spend on susp or exhaust.
They're all around the same HP, so turn it into a handling and rider competition.
:whocares:

Now that soundz like a plan!

[cowpoos]

Lol...............I've had no probs dealing wiff SBK spec'd Suzi's so far:whistle

wasn't it my lil old gsxr 810 that was giving ya whoopings last season?? even with your definate capacity and HP advantage?? hmmm?? :bleh:


Don't zuki's get faster as the race goes on due to the speed they corrode away at?:2guns:

well...at least they're fast!!! :niceone:

[sugilite]

With WSBK on its way to NZ at Hampton Downs it seems a bit out of step that NZ doesn't run either Superbike or Supersport classes that are anywhere near FIM spec.

Do NZ Superbike rules fit closer to FIM superstock.... i can't find the regulations to hand for the FIM class?

Surely the chances of a wild card entry in the NZ event in the future would be pretty bleak?

When the world supers came to NZ in 88 and 89, mnz dropped the superbike maximum capacity from 1100 cc down to 750 the year prior, in an effort to encourage/force NZ riders to build FIM spec bikes. (to be fair, most countries were 750 at the time as well) A handful of racers tried, spent lots of money, but were pretty much out gunned (machinery wise, not necessarily skill wise), and the NZ champs suffered a massive downturn in bikes in the superbike class as a result. There were very few NZ wild card entries despite what MNZ tried to achieve.

[wharfy]

Club grids in the 600/F2 class are chocker's yet very few people enter the National's, even at their local track. There's still no incentive to run a Superbike with racers getting twice as much track time on a 600 so superbike grids will remain thin.

Yeah, half the cost double the fun (well sorta) !!
600's are sexy bikes (thats where I hope to go when I get out of clubmans :) and I would be happy to run middle of the pack at club events)
1000's are SCARY bikes - I wouldn't race one even if I could afford it !!! :shit:

It is a big step up from club level to National level - when the big boys come to a club event to get a bit of track time the difference between them and the club riders is enormous (with a few notable exceptions)

[Tony.OK]

wasn't it my lil old gsxr 810 that was giving ya whoopings last season?? even with your definate capacity and HP advantage?? hmmm?? :bleh:


Yep.......................I can claim I did legitimately get past him once during the 20 lapper at the 2 dayer, but the old(er) body ran out of puff to keep him there:mad:
Thought that was pretty good for my 1st season:baby:

[cowpoos]

Yep.......................I can claim I did legitimately get past him once during the 20 lapper at the 2 dayer, but the old(er) body ran out of puff to keep him there:mad:
Thought that was pretty good for my 1st season:baby:
Did the lil bugger lap ya?

[Tony.OK]

Did the lil bugger lap ya?

Haha ya cheeky fooka.................No he was caught, passed, shown a Honda tail pipe for 11 laps.................................then woke up or sommit:2thumbsup proof (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlapchart.jsp?id=974037&perclass=0&page=1)

[Rcktfsh]

When the world supers came to NZ in 88 and 89, mnz dropped the superbike maximum capacity from 1100 cc down to 750 the year prior, in an effort to encourage/force NZ riders to build FIM spec bikes. (to be fair, most countries were 750 at the time as well) A handful of racers tried, spent lots of money, but were pretty much out gunned (machinery wise, not necessarily skill wise), and the NZ champs suffered a massive downturn in bikes in the superbike class as a result. There were very few NZ wild card entries despite what MNZ tried to achieve.


Some fast bikes where built in NZ, for example the Anglo Duke ridden by Glen Williams which from memory finished top privateer duke at the manfield round of wsbk or the Bimota YB4 of Strouds.

[Frenchy]

Pifft!! bloody honda riders!! always thinking its unfair!!

I sold my honda!!!

[cowpoos]

I sold my honda!!!

Well done Franz!!

[Tony.OK]

I sold my honda!!!

So the 07 CBR600rr isn't a Honda then......................its worse when ya try and hide it mate.........come out and be proud!!!!:woohoo:

[cowpoos]

So the 07 CBR600rr isn't a Honda then......................its worse when ya try and hide it mate.........come out and be proud!!!!:woohoo:


Hmmmmm.... --------> http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74810&d=1193738893

[Frenchy]

ok ok so i may have another Honda but i sold one!! plus i still have my R1 :bash:

[NinjaBoy]

ok ok so i may have another Honda but i sold one!! plus i still have my R1 :bash:

So when we going to see you on an F2 grid ?

[Frenchy]

So when we going to see you on an F2 grid ?

next year I'm going to do a few more races on the R1 this year while i'm learning (crashing) then i'll get a R6 or something newish wont race the honda.

[NinjaBoy]

next year I'm going to do a few more races on the R1 this year while i'm learning (crashing) then i'll get a R6 or something newish wont race the honda.

What's the Honda for ? The ZX is still available :whistle:

[Frenchy]

What's the Honda for ? The ZX is still available :whistle:

not really sure, want to buy it??