No helmets on forecourts

[nzcruzer]

Today for the first time in 30 plus years of riding a bike I was asked very directly from a Service Station that I have been using for the last 20 years to remove my helmet via the pa system, before they would unlock the pump.....
I know that wearing a leather jacket, black fullface helmet and riding a motor bike profiles you as a robber and or petrol drive off offender.

The fact that I had turned off my bike, put it on the stand, removed my keys so that I could remove my fuel cap and placed them on the pump, along with removing my gloves (so I could leave my prints) and standing with pump in hand and helmet on, wondering why the attendant inside the shop manning the till with the other attendant standing shotgun was not unlocking the pump. Only to hear through the pa system" remove your helmet". My immediate thought was "what's the point I'm wearing a Balaclava", so with the till attendant waving me goodbye I put my gloves back on wiped off my prints and proceeded to the next petrol station filled up and paid the huge amount off $15.55 and all with my helmet on .

(forgot to mention the station was open to other customers at the time and not operating an after hours pay first lock down to prevent fuel drive offs)

I rang around ten other local SHELL service stations (don't know why we still call them service stations as that's the last thing you get from them) to find out that only two others had the same policy due to petrol drive off's, they need to able to identify you first before you can purchase fuel.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with being asked to remove my helmet when inside paying, but while filling my bike, come on that's going a bit far. Hate to think what would have happened if I was two up and my partner was in the queue to pay with helmet off and me with helmet on wanting to fill the tank. "We are happy to take your money but we can't give you any fuel cause your partner still has his helmet on"

Maybe a sign on the pumps or the other attendant coming out and explaining the new policy would have gone down better, but to just to lock the pump and wave goodbye show's me that when you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

Imagine how much money BP Martinborough or Caltex Rimutaka would lose on a sunny Sunday if they followed in the steps of Shell Trentham.

NZCRUZER

[twotyred]

and of course you got back on your bike and rode off,right???

[Starky307]

That's why in use the Pack n Save pumps as I don't need to get undressed to get gas. I always take my helmet off when at a normal station as it does make them jumpy when I still have my helmet on.

[AllanB]

Their call at the end of the day I guess.

I just hope they insist on Muslim women removing their head-gear when they want petrol too.

[Oakie]

I've never had a problem that way, even wearing my helmet into the shop itself ... although I always make sure they can see I have my wallet in my hand and not a weapon as I walk through the door.

I have struck a couple who want pre-payment. No trouble. I just move onto the next service station.

[Richi]

by the looks of what he said he went to another petty station. sound like a bunch of idiots i doubt there would be many motorcyclists doing drive - offs... whats the point for $15

[Molly]

Boycott the tossers. I'd like to ask for actual figures on bike ride-offs. I bet they're miniscule and just kids on POS scooters.

[imdying]

Same advice as last time... they treat you like a crim, you act like one... take all the pumps off the holders and put them on the ground before you leave. AllanB's point is exactly why it's a crock.

[Richi]

Same advice as last time... they treat you like a crim, you act like one... take all the pumps off the holders and put them on the ground before you leave. AllanB's point is exactly why it's a crock.

Haha i thought it would be funny to just drop the one u r holding.. but all of them would be awesome.

[jtzzr]

Never had a problem at a servo . I wear a flipface and when I go inside to pay and they see my ugly mug they actually ask me to lower the chin piece. lol

I suppose it`s at their descretion.

Banks are fun too.

[CB ARGH]

Well that sucks. I always get dirty looks when I walk in with the helmet still on. I just try get the card out of the jacket before I walk into the store so I don't get some fat ass tackling me to the ground.

[yod]

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with being asked to remove my helmet when inside paying,

so you have a problem taking your helmet off before filling up but not after??

i don't see the difference...

[tommygun]

Here is the issue.....

"Imagine how much money BP Martinborough or Caltex Rimutaka would lose on a sunny Sunday if they followed in the steps of Shell Trentham."

Way to close to the prison.........:rofl:

[banditrider]

I've never been asked to take my helmet off although earplugs may mean that I haven't hear the request. Have been told to get off the bike while filling but ignore that one. And I definitely have ridden off when they insist on pre-pay...

[McJim]

Their call at the end of the day I guess.

I just hope they insist on Muslim women removing their head-gear when they want petrol too.
Muslim women aren't allowed to drive <_<

[dmc]

I've never been asked to take my helmet off but I do have to laugh that riders get asked to remove their helmet to pump gas incase you drive off, what difference does it make having your helmet on or off, I bet they don't ask people to remove their hoodie, hat and sunnies when gassing up.
I guess your number plate isn't enough to find you nowadays.

[Ixion]

I won't remove mine because they don't provide anywhere to safely put it.

It would be a breach of OSH rules to try to fill the tank with flammable liquid while juggling a helmet. And I'm not putting it down on the ground or on a petrol pump(latter don't have enough space anyway). Not only are they dirty , but they are also likely to be petrolly. Having the helmet lining absorb petrol, to be breathed in when I put it on, is also a OSH breach.

So, unless they provide a safe secure clean place for it, I won't take it off until I've finished filling. Never been challenged , but if I were I'd challenge them back.
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[nico]

Their call at the end of the day I guess.

I just hope they insist on Muslim women removing their head-gear when they want petrol too.

dont get me started on these rag head's
should be deported if ya ask me
and the helmet thing caltex rimataka go there every 4 days never once been queried about helmet inside or out

[Usarka]

Do not put the nozzle on the ground, it aint big clever or funny.

Put it in the rubbish bin. :innocent:

[yod]

I've never been asked to take my helmet off although earplugs may mean that I haven't hear the request. Have been told to get off the bike while filling but ignore that one. And I definitely have ridden off when they insist on pre-pay...

bloody oath, Caltex on Main past AFC, I think they switch to prepay at 6pm, I dont even bother going there now

[Max Preload]

I almost never remove my helmet just for getting petrol and I'll be damned if I'm queueing twice (prepay to fill, then receipt). I simply just don't go to petrol stations that are prepay.

[popelli]

Easiest thing is to vote with your wallet and go elsewhere

Local garage stuck one of these silly signs up, I questioned them about muslim women and asked if they had checked with the race relations office about the discriminatry treatment

The sign disappeared shortly afterwards

[wickle]

Thou there's no law about taking helmets off, is it not being courteous to show your face a flip lid helmet solves this also.

[mattian]

If you go into a bank they would ask you to do the same thing. Its about security and theft..... its nothing personal, try not to take it that way.

[banditrider]

bloody oath, Caltex on Main past AFC, I think they switch to prepay at 6pm, I dont even bother going there now

Good old Mobil Ashhurst eh?

[Bullitt]

Ive never worn a helmet into any other shop but Ive never taken it off to pay for gas (unless I was buying subway at Rimutex:lol:). If I got asked to Id go somewhere else.

[Swoop]

IF there is a problem...
No fuel = nozzle set on full flow and placed on the floor along with the 5 other nozzles in the vicinity.
Walk into counter and remove glubs, helmet, sunnies, whatever else...
go back to bike...
refuel... SLOWLY!!!
replace cap... EVEN SLOWER.
Return to monkey-retard till-jockey to retrieve helmet.
Use disgusting putrid scummy water that petrol stations dare to call windshield washer fluid, to clean visor.
Return (once again to till-monkey-retard) to pay.
.....
.....
.....
(this game can be played for hours if required, especially if you do not fill the tank entirely...).

It is amazing how dirty a visor can become...

[Molly]

dont get me started on these rag head's
should be deported if ya ask me


FFS... How do you ride a bike with those blinkers on?

[mattian]

fill up an empty water bottle with fuel then, go inside spray the whole place with it and throw in a lit match when leaving Jump on the bike and fly out of there on the back wheel, laughing crazily as you leave.

[Grumpy]

Got asked to remove my helmet before being served a little while back. No problem. Removed my helmet but before I got to my balacalva the bloke said cheers and served me. Not quite sure what the difference is.


Then again, the sign on the window did only stipulate helmets ......:doh:

[nico]

:2thumbsup
FFS... How do you ride a bike with those blinkers on?

well enough:mad::mad::mad:

[Gareth51]

Shell Kapiti have the same problem so I dont go there, or fill up the company vehicles there either

[Brooke]

I have only been asked once before and that was at my local, I kindly advised the attendant that I practically work next door, said my rego was enough for them to find me and that the reason I didn't remove my helmet was due to the time it took me to put it back on with gloves etc and I would only be holding up the queue. They were pretty good about it actually, now I go in there all the time and they all know who I am. Particular attendand never speaks to me though, go figure.

[Max Preload]

Particular attendant never speaks to me though, go figure.

Bonus! :banana:

[far queue]

Muslim women aren't allowed to drive <_<This should be extended to all women :dodge:

[nzcruzer]

The reason I leave my helmet on is because I fill my own tank ( like most bikers) and when it does splash out it runs straight onto my exhaust pipe, so for my own safety reasons I prefer to leave my helmet on while filling. I did not say I take my helmet off when paying, I said "I don't have a problem being asked to take my helmet off when inside paying" Like others that have said I too leave my helmet on and have my wallet out before they
get spooked.

[scumdog]

Only once.
At a Shell Shop

Was told to take my skull-mask off before going into a gas station to use the toilet, even after speaking to CB who was paying for her gas ( I didn't need any).

Atttendant repeated the request/order.

So I left, stood in the doorway and pissed myself (just kidding!!) but yeah, I roade off muttering.

And wait for this: it was in Gore.

[Supermac Jr]

I normally take it off and I'll have something to drink (difficult to drink Coke with a helmet on and yes I pay for the drink & the fuel). As for people having to wait while I gear up - I just smile and 'waive'

[nzcruzer]

If you go into a bank they would ask you to do the same thing. Its about security and theft..... its nothing personal, try not to take it that way.

Your comparing apples with oranges, I wasn't trying to fill my tank with bank notes!

[mattian]

Its not like comparing apples with oranges at all. Its all about theft. Have you been watching the news lately? theft of fuel is at an all time high.

[koba]

YAY! another pointless whinge!
I think both Shells in Upper Hutt have excellent customer service.
I think they must get checked on alot because I notice the staff always ask if you want any specials and all that.

[nzcruzer]

Its not like comparing apples with oranges at all. Its all about theft. Have you been watching the news lately? theft of fuel is at an all time high.

Have not seen the news all summer been out riding, and I bank online .... All banks clearly state no helmets to be worn inside the bank. No petrol stations state helmets must be removed on the forecourt, yet this one screams it at you over the pa. So where does the bank fit in again?

[mattian]

Bank = money...... people use diguises to steal money,
Petrol = money...... people use disguises to steal fuel,
hence..... no helmets to be worn in banks, petrol stations, and probably a few other places wouldnt let you wear them either

[koba]

Have not seen the news all summer been out riding, and I bank online .... All banks clearly state no helmets to be worn inside the bank. No petrol stations state helmets must be removed on the forecourt, yet this one screams it at you over the pa. So where does the bank fit in again?

They all say it next to the bowsers.
They also say no straddling motorcycles, no cellphones on forecourt no smoking etc etc..

[Ixion]

Then it is up to the petrol stations to provide safe, clean storage for them.

I remove my helmet on entering a bank - I have no problem with it. But then, the bank has clean, dry, counter space for me to put it down on. And does not require me to manipulate awkward hoses dispensing large quantities of highly flammable liquid. Whilst at the same time holding and balancing a motorcycle. With a still very hot engine.

[nzcruzer]

Bank = money...... people use diguises to steal money,
Petrol = money...... people use disguises to steal fuel,
hence..... no helmets to be worn in banks, petrol stations, and probably a few other places wouldnt let you wear them either


You get all this from watching the news

[mattian]

Uh oh.... we're getting a little off topic now. Sounds like taking your helmet off at service stations isn't the only thing we're Thenthetive about.

[nzcruzer]

They all say it next to the bowsers.
They also say no straddling motorcycles, no cellphones on forecourt no smoking etc etc..

Bowsers....... Have not heard them called that for a long time.

I check six forecourts out on the way home and can say that not ALL state you must remove your helmet, did not bother to ask one attendant that was having his smoke break... go figure.

[nzcruzer]

Uh oh.... we're getting a little off topic now. Sounds like taking your helmet off at service stations isn't the only thing we're Thenthetive about.

Whateva...... I agree to disagree.....

Safe riding

[rabidnz]

I got asked over the PA last nite when i was filling up with my helmet on so i took it off, but i soooo wish i was wearing the classic funny nose and glasses disguise underneath, woulda been priceless!

[fireliv]

Have been told to get off the bike while filling but ignore that one...


Can I ask y?? THere is a sign that shows a person on a bike filling up with a big red circle with a line through it stating not to do it???

I mean would suck if something happened causing your crutch to catch fire........

[mattian]

Whateva...... I agree to disagree.....

Safe riding

hehe. cheers mate...... just yanking your chain.

[NordieBoy]

So I left, stood in the doorway and pissed myself (just kidding!!) but yeah, I roade off muttering.

And wait for this: it was in Gore.

Not enough tassels?

[Blackshear]

Having read only the initial and last posts, I have this to say.
1. I have not once been asked to remove my helmet. Once I have been asked to prepay, but I gave that silly little man a talk and he agreed on my calling him a wally. If they ask me to remove my helmet, then I will proceed to remove a few pumps from their nozzle.
2. Uh...
Fuck,
Wait.
FIGHT THE MACHINE, YEAAAAAAAH!

I actually do wonder how many bikes do a runner. I mean really.

[Usarka]

ixion has a v good point. balance your helmet on bike and pray or put on petroleum soaked forecourt. or...... :finger:

[gijoe1313]

I find being dressed as red pajama camo ninja I have no probs! :scratch: I often walk into shops with helmet on and all and pass the time away having a nice chat with the people within!

'Cept for banks s'course, then I take the helmet off and just wear the balaclava! :whistle: Mind you, I'm only using the hole in the wall machines ...

And as for servos, no probs also! Just your everyday mr average red pajama camo ninja out for a nice little pootle ... doing no-one no harm! :yes:

[Mikkel]

This issue really grind my gears. I have on occasion had requests to remove my helmet which I duly ignore and then take my business elsewhere in the future, plenty of petrol stations around.
I've even had a "service" station refuse to turn on the pump when filling up the car on one occasion because they couldn't see my numberplate. Fair enough, their call, my money and I can take them elsewhere.
I always make a point of opening my visor and getting my wallet out before entering the shop.

Another fun things are the stickers with all the things you are not allowed to do at a petrol station. One of them says that all mobile phones must be turned off - urban myths are all fun and games until they are allowed to form company policy. Funny that, I haven't seen them trying to actually enforce that one. How about that, having to leave all your mobile devices in the care of the operator before being allowed to pump gas...


Bank = money...... people use diguises to steal money,
Petrol = money...... people use disguises to steal fuel,
hence..... no helmets to be worn in banks, petrol stations, and probably a few other places wouldnt let you wear them either

Yes, but I am pretty sure a robber or thief would ignore the request to remove the helmet as well.
If they made it policy to call the police as soon as someone took more than 10 seconds to remove their helmet I think I would find that very entertaining indeed.

[skidMark]

and of course you got back on your bike and rode off,right???


You wernt top reader in school by chance?:blink:

[SARGE]

this has been discussed before (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=757984)

[skidMark]

this has been discussed before (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=757984)


And? down you go.

[banditrider]

Can I ask y?? THere is a sign that shows a person on a bike filling up with a big red circle with a line through it stating not to do it???

I mean would suck if something happened causing your crutch to catch fire........

Yes it would! But I like to fill up with as much as possible (more riding, less stopping) and this is the easiest way (at least for me on my bike). You can also see what you're doing a bit better and less chance of spilling fuel.

[Elysium]

I use the BP on Rangatiki street with my helmet on and don't get asked to take it off. They tend to get a lot of bikers so maybe they don't mind us leaving them on. I alway make sure I pull my wallet out before entering the shop.

[Okey Dokey]

I've never been asked to remove my helmet while fueling up. Sometimes I take it off, sometimes I don't. I guess I would take it (my helmet) off if requested.

[sunhuntin]

I actually do wonder how many bikes do a runner. I mean really.

in almost 3 years working at bp, there was not a single motorbike runner reported from either the station i was at, or the 3 other bps in town, nor did any other servos alert us to any. [which sometimes happened when one vehicle hit more than one station... eg, mobil, then shell, then gull etc] all the runners that were reported were done by cage drivers... maybe they should ban cagers, or ask people to leave their cars on the road when filling?

i never asked any riders, be they local or out of towners, to remove their helmets, and i never remove mine either [open face lid with sunglasses removed cos i cant see in the tank with them on.] same with riders straddling... their choice if they want petrolly nuts.
cellphones, however, i enforced as needed. ie... me filling a gas bottle and some softcock chatting away. LPG freaks me enough as it is, without adding cellphones to the mix.
biggest hassle was the dicks who thought SMOKING on the forecourt was a good idea. yelled at one poncy bitch for flicking ash onto my forecourt. she didnt look impressed with being told off.

ive used most of the servos in town [with the exception of mobil cos the owners the biggest wanker under the sun.] and only one has a no helmet sign, and thats actually one of the bps! needless, i dont take mine off when going in there. only time i will remove it at a gas station is when im stopping for more than gas. when that happens, lid has the chin strap done up and slipped over a mirror. very little chance of dropping, getting in the way and doesnt have to be put on yicky forecourt.

[michael]

couldnt be arsed reading through all 5 pages so sorry if this was already mentioned. I was told quite some time ago that you should take it off because the fumes can knock you out. Eg: Fill up and fumes build up in helmet, get on bike and ride away and before ya know it you're waking up the f**k just happened. Any truth to this.
I always take mine off just because I kinda look like a islander and I'm young so I get enough bad looks anyway, dont need anymore.

[Slyer]

I always used to take mine off till I noticed that most other people don't.
I wouldn't try it without flipping the visor though.

[pritch]

I used to remove my helmet after dark but now the station I use doesn't let anyone in the shop after dark, so now I don't bother.

There is one gas station that is very convenient for me to use and if a staff member did something that pissed me off I'd ask when the manager would be in next and have a chat with him. If he should turn out to be a plonker then I'd go somewhere else.

Out here on the rural rump we have not been troubled with pre-pay or pumps turned off but I guess it'll come...

[portokiwi]

I allways take my helmet and gloves off when refulling. just as easy, hang my helmet on my mirror. I have wet wipes in the little box on the bike which i use to clean my hands with after using the pump. nice and clean. Never found it an issue realy.

[vifferman]

I remove my helmet on entering a bank - I have no problem with it. But then, the bank has clean, dry, counter space for me to put it down on. And does not require me to manipulate awkward hoses dispensing large quantities of highly flammable liquid. Whilst at the same time holding and balancing a motorcycle. With a still very hot engine.
Yeah, what he said.
I've never been asked to remove my helmet - although many gas stations (particularly BP) have a sticker on the door indicating such.
I have enough trouble trying to sort out gloves, wallet and keys (usually drop at least one of these). I'm not going to risk dropping my helmet.
Anyone could be a potential thief, riding a bike or otherwise. While I understand that wearing a helmet means I'm hard to positively ID from their security camera tape, that's not my problem, so I'll make it their problem if they object.
There used to be a Caltex at the end of our street - very convenient to pull into if I was out of gas. I stopped going there after twice buying gas on my EFTPOS card and asking for $10 cash out, only to be told, "I've just balanced the till!".
Customer service?!? Not!
I know they're not a bank, but why make their (minor) inconvenience my problem?

[ManDownUnder]

I don't have an issue with it at all personally. Common courtesy.
Gloves off, helmet off, fill the bike, pay, dress... leave.

I honestly fail to see the problem, unless it was the PA announcement making you feel silly (which I can understand)

If there really is a problem... shop elsewhere

[vifferman]

I don't have an issue with it at all personally. Common courtesy.
I don't see it like that. Yes, it's understandable, but from my point of view is a bloody nuisance. If I drop my helmet (and if I took it off, sooner or later I would), that's a major pain in my wallet. Plus all that dressing/undressing etc. sucks. So, I flip up my visor (coz it's dark tinted), put the bike on the mainstand, take off one glove, and wait for them to flip on the pump. If they asked me to remove my helmet, I probably would unless I was in a grumpy mood, in which case I'd go elsewhere. But I'm not going to take it off unless they ask.
Banks are different - like Ixion said, there's somewhere to put my helmet, and I usually need to talk to the teller. In the gas station, I usually don't need to say anything, or at most it's "Pump 4" and "Thanks!".

[ManDownUnder]

I don't see it like that. Yes, it's understandable, but from my point of view is a bloody nuisance. If I drop my helmet (and if I took it off, sooner or later I would), that's a major pain in my wallet. Plus all that dressing/undressing etc. sucks. So, I flip up my visor (coz it's dark tinted), put the bike on the mainstand, take off one glove, and wait for them to flip on the pump. If they asked me to remove my helmet, I probably would unless I was in a grumpy mood, in which case I'd go elsewhere. But I'm not going to take it off unless they ask.
Banks are different - like Ixion said, there's somewhere to put my helmet, and I usually need to talk to the teller. In the gas station, I usually don't need to say anything, or at most it's "Pump 4" and "Thanks!".

Points taken but I've been doing this the whole time I've been riding, the guy at the BP near my place knows me well but I still unglove, unhelmet and pop an earphone out so I can fill up and say gidday.

Now chance of dropping my lid because I put my gloves and keys in it, slide it up my left arm while filling... etc

Each to their own I guess - but that's my view of the world.

[Deano]

Never been asked and if I was I would go elsewhere.

They want my money, then they provide the customer friendly service and pay options.

I'd be happy to use the 'slide drawer' payment if need be, but I can't be arsed removing my gloves and helmet to pay for gas.

[prettybillie]

Its not like comparing apples with oranges at all. Its all about theft. Have you been watching the news lately? theft of fuel is at an all time high.

None of these are bikes though. People on bikes tend to have a good reputation when it comes to this sort of thing.

[Bob]

There was a phase a couple of years ago in the UK of bikers being told to take their helmets off or the pumps would not be turned on.

Not quite sure how it all ended - probably a combination of a lot of places now having 'Pay at Pump' facilities and CCTV being installed. Basically, until the vehicle number plate is logged on the CCTV, the pumps won't give any petrol.

OK, the above doesn't stop someone who stole the car/bike filling up then zooming off, but it does mean that the 'normal' (whatever that is) fuel thief doesn't try it on.

Whatever happens, I've never had to take off my helmet, even back in the day when a lot of places were asking you to. I'd always make a point of stopping bike, getting off the bike (key feature here; what they were really worried about was the rider sitting on the bike while they refuelled - easy then to ride straight off), removing gloves and flipping visor open so my face was in clear view.

If I was asked to, I would take it off - but of course, it would take me a LOT of time to put it back on, along with all the other kit... and I would explain patiently to anyone waiting behind me as I apologised for the delay!

Same tactic was used to end bikers being asked to pay a toll on a bridge in London. All stopped, removed whatever kit it was, opened pockets to get change, then put it all back on... all the time saying sorry to the annoyed drivers behind. The toll for bikers was lifted, now you just ride straight through.

If you start getting asked to take helmet off, then this tactic is worth trying. But DO get off the bike to refuel - and I'd suggest gloves off and visor opened.

Got to be worth a try.

[Swoop]

Its not like comparing apples with oranges at all. Its all about theft. Have you been watching the news lately? theft of fuel is at an all time high.
By car drivers.
A bike takes, perhaps, $15-$20 of petrol at most. If someone cannot pay for that I would be very surprised. Sunhuntin's post confirms this.

As someone who has never driven or ridden away from a petrol station without paying, I fail to see an issue.

I also keep the lid on when in the bottle shop. I have only been asked to remove it once while in there, and my reply of "do you have this same policy with burkah wearing people?" immediately shut the person up and got her thinking...
I walked out with a grin, because of the obvious...

[Slyer]

You should definitely remove your helmet buying booze...

[shafty]

My flip top (Helmet, not head) means I have no probs......

.....but many moons ago, Go Gal was asked, no, TOLD to take her helmet off when PAYING for gas.

Her response was simply DOH, I've already got the gas, it doesn't bother me if you don't serve me! - much to the embarrassment of the attendant as the rest of the queue chuckled...

[Headbanger]

I always take my helmet off at the servo, takes all of 3 seconds, and lets my ears and bald spot swing in the breeze for a few minutes. can't say I care about ditching it on the ground, I don't live wrapped in cotton wall. I'll also eat food if I drop it....

Can't say I have any reason to be wearing a helmet when not on a moving motorcycle, Hell, I'd ride without it if I wasn't weary of being spotted by a kiwibiker and the resulting 2321 outraged threads about the dangerous wanker with no helmet who is ruining it for everyone.

[portokiwi]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I always take my helmet off at the servo, takes all of 3 seconds, and lets my ears and bald spot swing in the breeze for a few minutes. can't say I care about ditching it on the ground, I don't live wrapped in cotton wall. I'll also eat food if I drop it....

Can't say I have any reason to be wearing a helmet when not on a moving motorcycle, Hell, I'd ride without it if I wasn't weary of being spotted by a kiwibiker and the resulting 2321 outraged threads about the dangerous wanker with no helmet who is ruining it for everyone.

[slofox]

I also keep the lid on when in the bottle shop. I have only been asked to remove it once while in there, and my reply of "do you have this same policy with burkah wearing people?" immediately shut the person up and got her thinking...


If you came into my bottle shop I would ask you to remove your helmet. Mostly because, by law, I have to gauge whether you are of age or not. So if I cannot judge your age I will not sell to you. The same applies to hoodies or any other head covering that obscures face to the extent that I cannot judge age.
I rarely get burkah wearers in since they are muslim and DO NOT DRINK BOOZE....hence, no problem there....but if one should come in, same rule would apply.
The law is very hard on people like me if we sell to minors. They also run "Controlled Purchase Operations" (= stings) where they send in underage persons to try and entrap us into selling. They can be very sneaky in how they go about this process so I have to be ever on my guard. It IS, after all, my livelihood and pays for the gas for the bike...no trade, no biking...
I also have a security camera installed. If I am held up by a loony I want video footage...partly for possible future identification (but also to get footage of me busting his/her arse with the piece of pipe I keep behind the counter.....(for posterity you unnerstand...:devil2:)).
So I hope you will see that a request to remove a helmet in a bottle store is a perfectly reasonable request....
As for the service stations? I use Gull in Hamilton - self serve - no people to deal with so no problem.......

[motodrummer]

Hasnt happened to me for a while but once i was given a lecture by the police last year. The station had been robbed 2 days before by a dude in a helmet. The staff were still jumpy. ( the cop was filling up at the time, wasnt chasing me, honest.)

[slofox]

... wasnt chasing me, honest.)

A LIKELY story....

But yes, there is the robbery thing. Service station just up the road from my store got done over about three times in a coupla weeks...ended up closing down as a result. But no wonder they get suspicious of people with faces obscured...

[portokiwi]

I got told off by a mufti cop in dark blue Hyondai....... I parked the cage at Glen Innes opp the police station and the prat of a policeman (big dark guy) stops in the middle of the road and tells me off for not stopping at a predestion crossing to let a lady cross.:argue: The lady hadent even got to the crossing when I went past:( I just smiled said sorry mr policeman and it wont happen again.
Why are some policeman prats like that. I allways stop when I see some one crossing even on the opp side of the road. Which this lady was.
I am sure stopping in the middle of the road isnt in the road code.
Sorry about that off topic

[sunhuntin]

couldnt be arsed reading through all 5 pages so sorry if this was already mentioned. I was told quite some time ago that you should take it off because the fumes can knock you out. Eg: Fill up and fumes build up in helmet, get on bike and ride away and before ya know it you're waking up the f**k just happened. Any truth to this.
I always take mine off just because I kinda look like a islander and I'm young so I get enough bad looks anyway, dont need anymore.

never heard of anything like is, and i spoke to a LOT of riders during my time at bp. im picking there be more chance of fumes getting into the lid by placing it on the forecourt floor. any sitting petrol could easily soak into the padding. if i do take mine off, i only put it on the ground if im well away from any pumps and spilled fuel.

[bully]

i leave mine on because i wana be in and out, cant be bothered taking it off.
even if there is a no helmet sticker on the door. i wont pre pay either beacause i dont know the amount it will take. never been asked to either in both cases.

[Mully]

I was told quite some time ago that you should take it off because the fumes can knock you out. Eg: Fill up and fumes build up in helmet, get on bike and ride away and before ya know it you're waking up the f**k just happened. Any truth to this.


Unlikely. Petrol fumes are heavier than air - thus, they sink to the lowest point. I suppose it's possible that your lid could fill up with fumes and, if the bottom was sealed (whisper kit or similar) that prevent it all from falling out the bottom.

Of course, if you flip your visor up if you smell petrol (after leaving the station), it wouldn't be an issue anyway.

[Swoop]

since they are muslim and DO NOT DRINK BOOZE....hence, no problem there
Your onto it!

Strangely, never been asked for proof of ID. I guess I don't look/act young.:cry:

[Mully]

I guess I don't look/act young

Never confuse youth with immaturity. Growing older is compulsory, growing up is optional.

[Swoop]

Growing older is compulsory, growing up is optional.
I'm going to be a spaceman when I grow up.

[Mikkel]

I'm going to be a spaceman when I grow up.

Someone else did too (http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/01/27/majel-roddenberry-finds-final-rest-in-space/). Must have been a chilly service.

[slofox]

Your onto it!

Strangely, never been asked for proof of ID. I guess I don't look/act young.:cry:

The bastards never ask me either.......:ar15::ar15::ar15::ar15::ar15: fuck 'em I say....

[wickle]

Not the same as helemt issue. But customer came into us this morning and said that at a gas Station in Gisborne she had to hand keys of vechile over before they would turn on pumps,now thats a new on me!

[NordieBoy]

I always take my helmet off at the servo, takes all of 3 seconds, and lets my ears and bald spot swing in the breeze for a few minutes. can't say I care about ditching it on the ground, I don't live wrapped in cotton wall. I'll also eat food if I drop it....

Can't say I have any reason to be wearing a helmet when not on a moving motorcycle, Hell, I'd ride without it if I wasn't weary of being spotted by a kiwibiker and the resulting 2321 outraged threads about the dangerous wanker with no helmet who is ruining it for everyone.

You must be a Harley rider.

You probably don't wave either :(

[Bonez]

Not the same as helemt issue. But customer came into us this morning and said that at a gas Station in Gisborne she had to hand keys of vechile over before they would turn on pumps,now thats a new on me!Got rung up up at work by a police lass on Monday. Turns out some twat by the name of Fredrick Patawhai, who is doing runners from gas stations, is using our home address details.

Anyone know or heard of this chap?

[twotyred]

I actually do wonder how many bikes do a runner. I mean really.

exactly,I have witnessed two pump 'n' run episodes locally,both teenagers in cars (probably stolen) and as the attendant said "it's all on camera" the most important bit being the number plate.

I'll take my helmet off when hats,sunglasses,hoodies,scarfs etc are also required to be removed.

[The Stranger]

1) I doubt any gas station would give a flying fuck if they never saw another motorcycle. They make sweet FA on fuel and we generally aren't big consumers of the other stuff they sell (including pies).
2) As noted by the very wise HDTboy, people don't offend you, it's a choice you make to be offended or not.
3) For all the wailing and hand wringing from the fuel companies, the amounts petrol stations loose to drive offs is piddling. Figures were published in the local rag at the height of the petrol "crisis" recently. However I can't see how anyone can deny a business a reasonable right to minimise thier losses.
4) It's courtesy. Ok, ok I know this is NZ 2009, but still - and if you are going to take it off to go in anyway, you may as well take it off early.
5) A little tip Ixion, put your gloves down on the ground and place your helmet on your gloves.

[Bonez]

1)
5) A little tip Ixion, put your gloves down on the ground and place your helmet on your gloves.Another option is put the gloves in the helmet and helmet one of the mirrors or one of the indicators. Done properly no damage will be incured.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I dont bother taking off the Davida, but do the shoei fullface.

[Ixion]

1) I doubt any gas station would give a flying fuck if they never saw another motorcycle. They make sweet FA on fuel and we generally aren't big consumers of the other stuff they sell (including pies).
...
5) A little tip Ixion, put your gloves down on the ground and place your helmet on your gloves.

Ewwwhh . have you seen some of the people that walk on that ground ? I ain't putting nothing that can't be steamcleaned onto it. And whilst the petrol stations may not care about my relatively miserly motorcycle, if the lose my custom they lose it not just for the bikes but for the Bottomless Fuel Tank called Pajero too. And that I suspect they do care about. not to mention magazines, drinks coffee etc.

Point is , "service" stations have not just long since ceased to have any perspective of "service", they are now becoming actively ANTI-service. Where not merely do they fail to make the process of the transaction painless, they deliberately go out of their way to make it as painful as possible.

[Ixion]

Another option is put the gloves in the helmet and helmet one of the mirrors or one of the indicators. Done properly no damage will be incured.


Done properly, much damage will be incurred if attempted on a KRT BMW

[The Stranger]

Another option is put the gloves in the helmet and helmet one of the mirrors or one of the indicators. Done properly no damage will be incured.

Yeah ok, but life has taught me a few things, and I know this one is really basic, but the amazing thing is how few people actually get it.








If you place something on the ground it can never ever fall there.

[Ixion]

No. But some dick will kick it, drive over it, spew on it, or piss in it. Guaranteed

[Bonez]

If you place something on the ground it can never ever fall there.True but someone could trip over it ;).

[Bonez]

Done properly, much damage will be incurred if attempted on a KRT BMWBull shit. Anyway helmets sit nicely on early K series tanks and seats.

[Max Preload]

I'll be damned if I'm going to put my helmet or gloves on the filthy forecourt when I can wear it safely on my head out of harm's way.

[The Stranger]

Point is , "service" stations have not just long since ceased to have any perspective of "service", they are now becoming actively ANTI-service. Where not merely do they fail to make the process of the transaction painless, they deliberately go out of their way to make it as painful as possible.

Of course you are correct there. Gone are the days of popping into the local for a beer and a chat.


The local Shell used to keep the beer at the back of the Coke on the bottom shelf.

Mind you, I guess you can't take crates of beer into the cinemas these days either.

[The Stranger]

True but someone could trip over it ;).

Fuck em, if they can't watch where they're going that's their problem.

[Bonez]

Fuck em, if they can't watch where they're going that's their problem.But but its usually the rider that trips....

[Ixion]

Bull shit. Anyway helmets sit nicely on early K series tanks and seats.

The indicators are flush with the fairing. And the mirrors are streamlined into the fairing and point downwards. And whilst the tank is reasonably safe, pray tell me how you would rest your helmet on the tank whilst at the same time filling the tank?

[Bonez]

The indicators are flush with the fairing. And the mirrors are streamlined into the fairing and point downwards. And whilst the tank is reasonably safe, pray tell me how you would rest your helmet on the tank whilst at the same time filling the tank?You open the visor.

[Squid]

Cant say I've had any problems wh filling up ay, even on the lame pre-pay (cmon whos knows EXACTLY how much the bike will take till its properly full)

Usally a wave at the kid inside who waves back and ya fill it up. Wander in to pay wh your lid under you arm like a indy driver
(maybe a slight swagger if your REALL cool) and your sorted :D
:clap:

[The Stranger]

pray tell me how you would rest your helmet on the tank whilst at the same time filling the tank?

Place the helmet central on the filler, open the visor and feed the nozzle over the chin bar?

[Headbanger]

You must be a Harley rider.

You probably don't wave either :(

Do you want the "Just for Kiwibiker" answer or the real answer?

[MIXONE]

Bull shit. Anyway helmets sit nicely on early K series tanks and seats.

You don't live in Wellington do you?

[Bonez]

You don't live in Wellington do you?Last time I was there al the fortcourts where reasonably flat. Has anything changed in 2 months? Oh the slight breeze you mean? Had no problems when I worked in the Freyberge building for three years.

[Ixion]

You open the visor.



Place the helmet central on the filler, open the visor and feed the nozzle over the chin bar?


Epic FAIL

I just went round to the servo and TRIED this. Because of the angle of the visor , even when open, when you stick the nozzle, AND your hand/arm gripping the squeezy trigger thing in through the opening, you can't rotate enough to stick the nozzle down the filler hole. Your arm hits the visor.

[Bonez]

Epic FAIL

I just went round to the servo and TRIED this. Because of the angle of the visor , even when open, when you stick the nozzle, AND your hand/arm gripping the squeezy trigger thing in through the opening, you can't rotate enough to stick the nozzle down the filler hole. Your arm hits the visor.Don't all BMW owners have those flip top heads?

[gatch]

You open the visor.

:laugh: nice

[Headbanger]

Well, I'm about to head down the pre-pay servo, remove my helmet, gas up, then head towards the saddle road.

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

[Starky307]

Just finished reading all 8 pages again.

The reason I remove my helmet is out of respect, I would never walk into a store of any kind wearing a helmet. To me it is like the punks that wear their hoodies and hats covering their faces, it is a form of intimidation. By hiding your face you give the impression you have something to hide whether you do or not. Look at it from an outside point of view, there is no difference with covering your face using a bandana in a threatening way to hide your identity.

These are my opinions and the reasons I remove my helmet before entering a store, or I use a fully self serve station such as I mention at the start of this thread.

I really can't understand the issue with removing your helmet and gloves.

[Ixion]

Don't all BMW owners have those flip top heads?

I'm just a poor impoverished sweet innocent gentle old man eking out a penurious existence on the smell of an oily rag. I can't afford expensive stuff like that. I have to get by on half a coconut shell with some holes cut in it and a couple of bits of webbing tied on.

[Swoop]

Not the same as helemt issue. But customer came into us this morning and said that at a gas Station in Gisborne she had to hand keys of vechile over before they would turn on pumps,now thats a new on me!
The bro's have a key cutting machine out the back. They will track that car down and drive off without any troubles, and the driver will not get an insurance payout since there will be zero signs of a break-in.

Epic FAIL
I just went round to the servo and TRIED this.
How can you see when the level gets up to the top, anyway?? I like a full tank, not something that is three quaters full because of the auto shut-off thingammy.

[varminter]

Oh my, I just live for the day when I'm taken for a Bad Ass Biker. I'll never take my helmet off again. No, even in bed.

[imdying]

The reason I remove my helmet is out of respect, I would never walk into a store of any kind wearing a helmet. To me it is like the punks that wear their hoodies and hats covering their faces, it is a form of intimidation. By hiding your face you give the impression you have something to hide whether you do or not. Look at it from an outside point of view, there is no difference with covering your face using a bandana in a threatening way to hide your identity.Yes that's right... I'm going to bash him to death with my Mastercard :laugh:

[Starky307]

Yes that's right... I'm going to bash him to death with my Mastercard :laugh:

That may be exactly what the cashier is thinking by the look you impose wearing your helmet.

I'm just saying. :shrug:


:jerry: :jerry:

[imdying]

I'd be carrying a machete, not a mastercard, if I wanted to assault him and steal the till.

[nzkiwiboy]

Now that's bad, I see what I have to look forward to. My bikes so new (like me) that I m not on to my second tank of gas yet. :2thumbsup

Maybe if you polished the entire roof of a van you might get more karma at the next fill up. :wari:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah ok, but life has taught me a few things, and I know this one is really basic, but the amazing thing is how few people actually get it.








If you place something on the ground it can never ever fall there.

my partner RAN OVER my helmet because I put it down beside th bike. that was somewhat amusing.

[crazefox]

Fuck them all

[kiwi cowboy]

This should be extended to all women :dodge:

wow someones gona get a :spanking:for that coment:devil2:

[kiwi cowboy]

Only once.
At a Shell Shop

Was told to take my skull-mask off before going into a gas station to use the toilet, even after speaking to CB who was paying for her gas ( I didn't need any).

Atttendant repeated the request/order.

So I left, stood in the doorway and pissed myself (just kidding!!) but yeah, I roade off muttering.

And wait for this: it was in Gore.

Baaaaaahaaahaaa they musta thought you were a prospect for the boyracers down there:whistle:

[Bonez]

Well, I'm about to head down the pre-pay servo, remove my helmet, gas up, then head towards the saddle road.

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET22 of us had left for Apiti about then. Damn fine night for it. Can't remember if I removed the helmet when I gassed up at Ashhurst or not. Damn memory. The venison patties at Apiti were absolutely yummy. Had to take the helmet off to eat it though.

[Atlas shrugged]

I am a manager of a shell station.

So believe me when I say it is ludicrous that any biker should be asked to take of there helmet on the forecourt itself.
In the shop you don’t have to take it of but it is very much appreciated by the staff especially later at night when only one staff member is working. Or you are really dressed the part of a hard ruff gang type (We are all human and can feel uncomfortable even though people should not judge others by there aperients we all do to some degree).

In 9 years I have not heard of ANY drive-offs at any of the cluster of shell stations that I work for having a drive off from a biker.

Again stupid to stop a pump on a bike $20 if even that!, when the car next to it has $98

Let the manager know how you feel and if you have no joy there call 0800 4 SHELL they are always happy for input from customers.

Someone earlier mentioned taking gloves off so they would leave prints. The police never go to the trouble of even coming to the station if someone dose a drive off never mind actually lifting finger prints. Ok maybe if the car was stolen they may just come for the video footage.

As for the cell phones people get hit by cars in the forecourt because the driver or the person on the forecourt is not paying attention when using a cell. Or the fuel spills or the customer forgets to pay because they are on there cell phone. That is more why we stop the use of them nowadays.

[slofox]

Just finished reading all 8 pages again.

The reason I remove my helmet is out of respect, I would never walk into a store of any kind wearing a helmet. To me it is like the punks that wear their hoodies and hats covering their faces, it is a form of intimidation. By hiding your face you give the impression you have something to hide whether you do or not. Look at it from an outside point of view, there is no difference with covering your face using a bandana in a threatening way to hide your identity.

These are my opinions and the reasons I remove my helmet before entering a store, or I use a fully self serve station such as I mention at the start of this thread.

I really can't understand the issue with removing your helmet and gloves.


Exactly. Bling on the way...

[ZephyrMark2]

I am a manager of a shell station.

So believe me when I say it is ludicrous that any biker should be asked to take of there helmet on the forecourt itself.
In the shop you don’t have to take it of but it is very much appreciated by the staff especially later at night when only one staff member is working. Or you are really dressed the part of a hard ruff gang type (We are all human and can feel uncomfortable even though people should not judge others by there aperients we all do to some degree).

In 9 years I have not heard of ANY drive-offs at any of the cluster of shell stations that I work for having a drive off from a biker.

Again stupid to stop a pump on a bike $20 if even that!, when the car next to it has $98

Let the manager know how you feel and if you have no joy there call 0800 4 SHELL they are always happy for input from customers.

Someone earlier mentioned taking gloves off so they would leave prints. The police never go to the trouble of even coming to the station if someone dose a drive off never mind actually lifting finger prints. Ok maybe if the car was stolen they may just come for the video footage.

As for the cell phones people get hit by cars in the forecourt because the driver or the person on the forecourt is not paying attention when using a cell. Or the fuel spills or the customer forgets to pay because they are on there cell phone. That is more why we stop the use of them nowadays.

Well said...:clap: I think there's the solution! Either deal with the situation then and there, or drive off and ring later to talk to manager to explain why you didn't stick around..

Working in retail for many years, things happen that could have been dealt with better, and to be honest, it sounds like underpaid kids that didn't think it through. At least if the station is told why people aren't sticking around, then at least they have the option of changing their stance.

[McJim]

Hey - is this related to that famous Jewish thread - no foreskins on helmets?:rofl:

[Mikkel]

Someone earlier mentioned taking gloves off so they would leave prints. The police never go to the trouble of even coming to the station if someone dose a drive off never mind actually lifting finger prints. Ok maybe if the car was stolen they may just come for the video footage.

Anywhere, where there would be prints, there would be so many that they wouldn't be able to use it for anything...


As for the cell phones people get hit by cars in the forecourt because the driver or the person on the forecourt is not paying attention when using a cell. Or the fuel spills or the customer forgets to pay because they are on there cell phone. That is more why we stop the use of them nowadays.

The sticker should say "Engage your brain" instead of "No Cellphones" methinks.
I've had one clash with a jobsworth who's sole reason for bringing the cellphone rule to my attention would have been a desire to get the expected "Sorry, I'll do what you say right now."-response. I'm afraid I let her down a bit hard and she left me raving about how she was going to file a complaint - I found that rather amusing.

[davebullet]

In my case, I have to keep my head gear on..... if I removed the toupe then that could cause offence!

[Atlas shrugged]

Anywhere, where there would be prints, there would be so many that they wouldn't be able to use it for anything....

You are absolutely right about that.

Even if the pumps were clean the police would not look for prints for a drive off, they are overworked as all government funded organization are - even just coming to the station doesn’t happen.



The sticker should say "Engage your brain" instead of "No Cellphones"
I've had one clash with a jobsworth who's sole reason for bringing the cellphone rule to my attention would have been a desire to get the expected "Sorry, I'll do what you say right now."-response. I'm afraid I let her down a bit hard and she left me raving about how she was going to file a complaint.....

We live in a very if not overly safety conches country. And as soon as something bad happens for whatever reason people ask why and who is to blame so it is not surprising that things get a bit out of hand. Asking people to not use cells is yes over the top.
But then you are only on the forecourt for 6 to 9 min not a big time for people not to smoke or use a cell really?

[AD345]

I always take my helmet off at the servo, takes all of 3 seconds, and lets my ears and bald spot swing in the breeze for a few minutes. can't say I care about ditching it on the ground, I don't live wrapped in cotton wall. I'll also eat food if I drop it....

Can't say I have any reason to be wearing a helmet when not on a moving motorcycle, Hell, I'd ride without it if I wasn't weary of being spotted by a kiwibiker and the resulting 2321 outraged threads about the dangerous wanker with no helmet who is ruining it for everyone.

Wot he said

exactly.

[pritch]

(but also to get footage of me busting his/her arse with the piece of pipe I keep behind the counter.....)

Keeping a piece of pipe, or a baseball bat, under the counter can cause problems. In the event that you had occasion to use it, the lawyers would likely start going on about "intent". Since it would be difficult to establish that you were about to do some late night plumbing, or perhaps play a midnight baseball match, they would say that you had the pipe there with the intent to injure someone.

Thus the popularity of the 6 cell Maglite torch. It's under the counter in case the lights go out. It can also come in handy in the event that you feel the need to put someone else's lights out, but we won't mention that....

[Bonez]

Keeping a piece of pipe, or a baseball bat, under the counter can cause problems. In the event that you had occasion to use it, the lawyers would likely start going on about "intent". Since it would be difficult to establish that you were about to do some late night plumbing, or perhaps play a midnight baseball match, they would say that you had the pipe there with the intent to injure someone.

Thus the popularity of the 6 cell Maglite torch. It's under the counter in case the lights go out. It can also come in handy in the event that you feel the need to put someone else's lights out, but we won't mention that....And possibly an umbralla as back up.

Go on, make Mary Poppins day.

[slofox]

Keeping a piece of pipe, or a baseball bat, under the counter can cause problems. In the event that you had occasion to use it, the lawyers would likely start going on about "intent". Since it would be difficult to establish that you were about to do some late night plumbing, or perhaps play a midnight baseball match, they would say that you had the pipe there with the intent to injure someone.

Thus the popularity of the 6 cell Maglite torch. It's under the counter in case the lights go out. It can also come in handy in the event that you feel the need to put someone else's lights out, but we won't mention that....

Yeah well there's a wooden bongyknocker under there as well.......